This META Will Ruin Ranked! // WARNO Gameplay 

Awesome! Yeah i will definitely make more scenario examples

There's nothing realistic about sending helicopters on a suicide rush to kill enemy command vehicles

@@AlexDahl at least not in a front line battle scenario.. extraordinary geography can allow for some rear area havoc.. But the game is supposed to represent main battle elements engaging.

@@AlexDahl I think they mean that because people try to play RP or more tactically they don't metagame, and these guys are willing to metagame.

Yes, shown how to counter it if you know it's coming. The problem is it's a game of rock-paper-scissors. If you bring the wrong stuff, you're screwed. This could be countered properly because it was known what was coming. Nobody starts with almost AA only in any normal circumstance. And even then there still was the problem of AA getting overwhelmed by the sheer number of targets and running out of missiles. It's pretty ridiculous.

@@PermadeathHD The longer the game is played the less people will "play RP" since to people trying to win by any means short of cheating, you're just doing "bad strategy and tactics." edit: I say this because it has happened in any game I've seen people take seriously at all in the last 20 years.

Mayakovsky is GOATed

funny i was reading this as he said it

yeah either arty or a quick lgb dropped on top of that

You and me both!

Even winning lottery is easier than getting a hit from Strellas

This game has to have some bias against Soviet era vics

@@thiefsleef6752 Yeah and like most games has positive bias towards anything American. If you believe Wargame Red Dragon the US Marines could dominate the entire red army (just so long as they had cover in a building and a logi truck nearby lol)

@@thiefsleef6752 The Soviet artillery is insane though. If you even think about setting up stationary defense in a city, the half of the city your in gets fire bombed and all of your units burn.

its not as bad as it used to be and it CAN be beaten but only if you are prepared for it. They need to just limit the amount of helis you get in some of the battlegroups OR you just need to assume theyre gonna heli spam when you see certain battlegroups.

I’ll be honest I’m not sure any div BUT 11e could pull it off, because AD is generally good in the game and most other divs don’t get the combo of Gazelle Canons + good ATGM Vic’s. Something like the Mi-24 is properly expensive to not be spammable

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I wonder how hard it would be to simply limit the amount of helicopters one can spawn for a certain interval of gameplay. Like limit the helicopter tab to one spawn per minute for the first five minutes of the game or something like that. It's a very crude solution, but I think it's the only one that will work short of community policing.

@@JShu98 Yeah, that's called Phase system from SteelDivision, which Eugen decided to abandon(along with other great stuff like lite\heavy forest ,normal armor\pen values etc.) in favor of mediocre and outdated Wargame framework. Alas.

@@nbil213 Kinda funny, considering almost every other mechanic is borrowed from SD2. But that's true, there is a framework for it. I wasn't the biggest fan of the phase system, but that mechanic could be adapted to deal with heli rushes.

I find heli rushes really cool (I'm a sucker for helicopters) but this is just- boring. Who finds it cool to deploy like 37 helos? It's a way cooler thing to have 4 with elite infantry supported by maybe 1 or 2 attack helos

Not too hard to counter tho, OP as hell when they first come out unexpectedly

This was nearly impossible to counter even though i knew he was going to do it. Its insanely strong

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainmentnow that I’ve watched the video I agree

Heli rush is mega cringe and pussy strat

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment You only brought Airplane AA, you didn't have a single ZSU-23 in you deck, the difficulty you had in countering was not the helis it was that you over spent on aa and nothing to fight his ground units until you reinforced. The player played that deck exactly how it was meant to be played its Airborne with great inf, good recon, great heli, great airplane. That is exactly what he did. If you want to complain, complain about the division not the player because he did nothing wrong.

Not true. French inf get 850 meter rocket launchers and are very deadly.

Yep

I know. The reason I dont is to only select those 3 since i only want to give orders to THOSE 3 and not touch the other ones on the right side

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment Like I said if you zoom in a bit , or move the camera so that the other units arent visible anymore it will only select the visible ones. Its a common RTS shortcut, and I'm glad the devs put it in

I know this shortcut. I just like doing it this way to keep a global view. Thanks for still detailing this shortcut for others though

I know. I use that a lot of times. Really useful

I'm not sure about too cheap but rather too many per card/able to take too many cards. They are extremely fragile, and if they aren't used in spam you have to provide more traditional combined arms support for them to be effective--you saw the OSA at the end flatten a formation of them for instance. In a situation without a critical mass like this, a handful of AA would keep them from being as effective and would force the user to lead with ground units to sweep out enemy AA/otherwise suppress enemy AA. Also I didn't see any SPAAG/AAG used, which will really do a number on helos like this. The AAG does the same kind of targeting that tanks do, where if something gets stunned it'll shift to another target and try to stun that. Since AAG do a ton of suppression damage, they can rapidly stun/destablize the whole formation giving SAMs more breathing room. And you know, since those gazelles are fragile they'll also kill quite a few outright. The downside is opportunity cost, which Saucy showed pretty well in the opening--he had to invest in so much AA that he needed to fall back quite a bit after the opener to get space for him to bring in ground forces to actually fight the infantry the helicopters brought in. Which I think is one of the suckiest parts of the helo spam--yeah it can be countered pretty well with SAMs/SPAAG, but you're sacrificing a lot of points that aren't going to purchasing infantry/recon to actually take and hold ground. It's just dirty and a sign of game imbalance. But that's just my take. Probably lots of WARNO players out there with a better perspective than mine.

@@warmachine5835 yea good point, the problem i find is its like a gamble strategy in a blind match up, this div can do other things than choppers but the other player has to also gamble into deploying mostly aa. I dont think its good for a strategy game.

haha yeah this meta been crazy lately. might be the vid

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment players use whatever tools that are available. It's been there for years. I hope eugene will do something soon

bro yeah i need to try this one time. try to get some attack helis to the rear

Glad you enjoy it!

Thanks for the visit

french game maker lol

you can use TAB to switch between units in group

Press tab to cycle through selected units Control groups do work, Ctrl+num like you've said. Maybe if you use numpad it doesn't work?

@@DannyJLloyd Yeah thats it. Thanks!

even as the 5th, you simply cant counter a heli spam, unless you already know its going to happen like me in this match. meta means most effective strategy available and heli spam is definitely the current meta, even though its a trash one.

you gotta love some guys defend this shitty strat by saying it's "legitimate" like it's fun to play against or have any counter against unless you know it's coming

@@A-Warthog-cc1wm Nothing legitimate about it. If you know what's coming you can counter it with spamming AA, like saucy, but it's supposed to be a balance of multiple units types and not a game of rock-paper-scissors

@@kurthasedd7923 not only does it defeat the purpose of the game, its also *very* boring and end up being a match that come down to "who can spam more units than the other person". you basically have to turn you brain off at that point to enjoy to match.

they just need to limit the amount of helicopters in this battlegroup and others that have the gazelle cannons etc. Its not that big of a problem in general to be honest. These helis in the 11th are just too many and wayyyy to cheap.

@SaucyNetworkEntertainment That would work yes but what about MI8T rushes or apache rushes or any other helo rush with helos that dont all die to one hit of even the weakest AA?

They should just limit amount of helicopters in 11e, basically it is the only division that allows such cancer

The tiering doesnt take CRINGE or dumb META gameplay into consideration

because he did it the game before too and people dont change strategies that often.

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment did he win last time with that?

@@herrvorragend3103 That would be a yes and it upset saucy

yes but its still cringe. Eugen will definitely fix the 11th airborn

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment Yes, it is cringe to see it been played, I'll give you that. You have the feeling that this shouldn't be allowed.

part of the gig i gues

I mean 7:22 indicates that it wasn't disrespectful at all

who complained?

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I am honest: the time I wrote this comment you really complained for a whole minute about people that spam helicopters and the meta behind it and I thought that was too much and you really overexaggerated. Until the game started and I saw the swarms of helicopters coming your way. I changed my mind. You were completely in your right to complain.

Wich sounds just like a strategie wich has also risks as shown altough daucy was falling back at the start hid enemy never realy recovered from all the hells lost altough st the end he made a attempt but too late

yeah that was the purpose of this vid. to show that this is unfortunately the state of a portion of matches.

you can clearly see that i try to reply but i am unable to since i dont know how to do that while in-game. So why dont you just relax. Also you can see that he apologized and it wasnt about winning or losing, it was just about having an enjoyable experience and we both didnt like the gameplay style. If you dont like me or my content, feel free to watch others. I am here to just post entertainment and i dont care about drama

They die fast with AA guns and all the helis there died to missies in like the first minute of the game, I'm no fan of spammers either but it's kind of exaggeration.