This NEW European Wind Turbine for Home Outbeats PV Solar Panels in 2023?!

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The new Liam F1 wind turbine for home that outbeats PV solar panels in 2023. Yes, you heard me right, this amazing device can generate more electricity than solar panels, and it's virtually soundless, compact, and easy to install. How is that possible? Well, stay tuned and find out!
00:00 Introduction
02:19 Comparison with solar panels
04:30 Cost and installation
06:11 Benefits and drawbacks
08:46 Conclusion
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@stickman-1 9 месяцев назад

We have a 19Kw solar system and we did so after monitoring wind speeds for 18 months. The result of that monitoring showed us wind was not viable for us, and we are in a place considered "windy." We have wind almost every single day ranging from 5 to 20mph. A windless day is very rare. However based on all the turbines available at the time none showed anything like what solar does for pay back time. Our solar will be paid off in 12 years. Wind was 30 years. We also have with 3 Tesla Powerwalls and the key is the batteries, not really the method of generation. Whether you use wind or solar, both are not full time and batteries take up a lot of the load. As it was, we spent 70% on panels and 30% on batteries, but if I did it over again, I think I'd do 60% on panels and 40% on batteries. Now as to this particular turbine, I don't see $4500 worth of material there. I think I could reproduce that for $2000 and I'm just a DIY guy. In mass production I don't see why that could not be done for $1000 wholesale, $2000 retail.

@orionbetelgeuse1937 9 месяцев назад

that is complete BS. What's the point in making this $4500 wind turbine with allegedly high efficiency with about 1m diameter when you can make a 1.5m diameter turbine with half efficiency but at only $500 or two turbines at 1m diameter with half efficiency but only at $300 each. The problem is put like the wind would be a scarce resource not the money. It is much simpler to make more cheap turbines even less efficient than a very expensive one. For instance hawt's have efficiencies of about 35-50% and vawt's between 30-40% but the vawt's are very cheap (like savonius) two vawt's might cost the same as a hawt yet provide more energy.

@Andrew-rc3vh 9 месяцев назад

Take a look at the alternatives. for example there is a 7kw wind generator for £850. The problem though is the power falls off at low wind speeds, e.g. 7mph which is our average wind speed gives about 30w. The power/speed curve is a kind of s-shaped curve.

@cvv2k 9 месяцев назад

Your calculations for the wind turbines are somewhere very wrong. For stable wind from 5 to 20 mph you should get the same effect as from PV.

@kulbirsingh1080 9 месяцев назад

If this product goes to China or India I think we indians can make it in just 200 euros or dollars, that's it 😂😢😮

@Jake7706 9 месяцев назад

I don't think it is fair to compare this particular turbine with just other wind turbines. The design of the propeller is particularly receptive to winds at different angles and speeds, well beyond the HAWT/VAWT variant...

@grahamsouthon553 9 месяцев назад

In the 15 years we have had solar PV, the panel peformance degradation has been almost zero. We've cleaned them once.

@jonathannumer5415 9 месяцев назад

We have had pv solar for 30 there is some degradation but not bad! I’m sure newer models are even better

@markstephenson6952 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for posting that. All I read is that they degrade over time and need to be replaced in 25-30 years? In reality - probably not. If you amortize the cost of installation over 50 years they really look like a bargain.

@lynnfisher4396 9 месяцев назад

@@markstephenson6952Had our original array up since 2012, cleaned two years ago as we had some lichen form on the top ones. Last August we had our best ever production on that array. Bottom line, there may be some small degradation over the years but it’s the amount of sun shining is the one that makes the difference. With the wind turbines their production is also dependant on weather, the wind. They shouldn’t be viewed as competition for each other, as the video said.

@Andrew-rc3vh 9 месяцев назад

@@lynnfisher4396 There is a kind of anticorrelation between wind and sun. Still, these things are over-priced, so I can't see a great demand.

@ecoterrorist1402 9 месяцев назад

@@jonathannumer5415 @grahamsouthon553 is properly 16-18% efficient, mine are 2009 panels and are 12-14%, today's solar max's out a 22%, and the maximum efficiency possible is 25%, my array still as the same production as from new, from the yr by yr data, when I sell solar to customers I point out satellites have been in space scene 1955 and most people may still have a Casio solar Calc from the 70s. I'm sure there will be some losses, if they still work, don't try to fix them.

@ebeanakskov 9 месяцев назад

I have worked in the wind industry, and with the wind industry, for more than 30 years, and over the years, one wind turbine after another has been introduced claiming to be the new wonder when it comes to extracting energy from the wind. All these companies, and their little "wonder mills", are all as one, closed again, almost as quickly as they arose. And this one, seen in the video, will be just another example of this. And at the price that is stated, it is probably the best thing to still buy your El, where you now buy it. Regardless of how you build a turbine or how you design it, you can only extract the amount of energy from the wind that the wind contains. And the best wind turbines to do this are the large turbines that we see today, both on land, but especially at sea, and which are specialized down to the smallest detail, to extract the maximum potential from the energy that is available in the wind, at a given time.

@joerne.9632 4 месяца назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0k8-G9yNud0.html "As far as we can roughly remember! at 3 ms - 4 W. 6 m.s. 100 W 8 ms. --300 W"

@johanc4865 21 день назад

I see a few times text ¨km / h¨ and that is speed ( kilometers per hour ), it should say ¨KW / H¨ ( KiloWatt per hour ) I live in Spain, 320 days full sun a year, I put 5 solar panels of 550 Watt on my roof ( 2750 Watt total ) standing up 60 degrees and that saves 10 square meters on my solarium. Because they standing up 60 degrees, I clean them once a year. Also I have 3 batteries of 3.5 KW. every day near 1 PM batteries are full. I am happy :)

@JosefMPjess 9 месяцев назад

Your credibility is fantastically increased after we see 150 km/hr when you are saying 1500 kWhr output produced per year. (Min. 2.31). I am impressed with the quality of this production.

@andrazlogar861 9 месяцев назад

Lol

@thealzp 9 месяцев назад

2:32 1500 km/h

@gbpg2016 9 месяцев назад

LOL, that he liked this comment. I also noticed the errors too. He needs a new editor.

@AORD72 9 месяцев назад

And they talk about average wind speed of 5m/s, a lot of cities will be far less which equates to roughly 12% of the output they claim.

@surferdudemi 6 месяцев назад

Not to mention saying solar panels only generate power during the day, but the wind turbine generates power day or night WHEN THERE IS WIND. And then it says solar panels degrade 0.5% per year but not the wind turbine. Solar panels are guaranteed 25 years for some level of output like 80%-90% of rated. The Liam is only guaranteed 20 years.

@SoupyOatmeal 9 месяцев назад

this is an advertisement not a discovery.

@HollisInman 9 месяцев назад

You guys stay tuned... I've been working on a fairly novel solution in the form of a modular wind wall. Soft launching in a month!

@gabix.o 9 месяцев назад

@loucipher67 9 месяцев назад

comments are turned off on your video ...why ?

@Reman1975 9 месяцев назад

As a lot of people learnt during the solar panel install boom that happened about 15 to 20 years ago, a 20 year guarantee is only useful if the company is still around in 20 years. There were a lot of companies setup back then that offered 20 year guaranties on their installs, but when the customer had issues a couple years down the line due to substandard products being installed badly, they found that the company had gone out of business (But oddly enough, all the original staff then started working for a company that has a very similar name, that provided the exact same services/products, and was setup only a few weeks before the original company liquidated). I'm not saying that this company is like one of those, but I'd certainly want to know more about the history and future prospects of any company who's business plan involves making money out of the latest news story monopolising topic before I spent any money with them.

@benburton3496 9 месяцев назад

Only ylthe panels have 20 year warranty, not anything else

@fredmercury1314 9 месяцев назад

@@benburton3496 That's not true. Companies also guarantee their work.

@rogerphelps9939 9 месяцев назад

Here in the UK there are schemes that guarantee stuff even if the installer has gone bust. I had the best fitted 12 years ago, Panasonic HIT, and, although the installer has gone out of businessI have had absolutely no problems other than the grid tie generation meter failing recently. Performance has been above expectations with no noticeable degradation.

@Reman1975 9 месяцев назад

@@rogerphelps9939Afaik, that's only if the companies have subscribed to those schemes and deposited some money with them. It's sort of like a 3rd party warrantee. If a cowboy building maintenance company suddenly decides that they can do solar installs (and get's a few of the guys the bare minimum accreditation needed to sign off on the electrical work), they're unlikely to pay a 3rd party company to cover any warrantee claims a few years later, especially if their business plan involves liquidating/reforming the company every few years to avoid any liabilities cropping up from past shoddy work.

@therealsparkman 9 месяцев назад

You're absolutely right!! The guarantee is only as good as the company that offers it. Whether it be this wind turbine, windows for your house, a furnace, whatever the case, a lot of these companies usually end up going tits up and you are stuck with no one to cover your warranteed product. I have learned that from my many years of purchasing quality items. I guess before you go and do something like this, it is imperative that you do your research and don't buy into sales pitches from snake oil salesmen. If you have lots of acreage, then more solar might be the way to go. If space is limited, then a wind turbine like this might be more space efficient. Or, if you can afford both, then they will compliment one another. The point overall is, these products have a finite lifespan, and eventually it will cost a lot of money to replace them. JMO

@LovinglyYourz 9 месяцев назад

I think it still better using both wind turbine and solar panel for greater efficiency

@joergsonnenberger6836 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, the title doesn't make sense. They don't compete for resources except money. They serve different use profiles.

@jasonborne5724 9 месяцев назад

If you’re in a consistently windy area and you’ve maxed out on available space for solar and you have lots of extra money that you want to spend, then wind makes sense.

@pazsion 9 месяцев назад

Yup, with an average wind of 3-5 mph not including convection the archemedis can provide power all the time. Solar and water would completely fill the duty cycles and provide excess energy. You’d have reserve batteries and water for power during emergencies and high demand. We would no longer need a grid or centralized systems of authority that don’t care about you or reducing pollution and nuclear waste

@hardlines2635 9 месяцев назад

Solar panels end up in land fill.

@justinelliott3529 9 месяцев назад

I think nuclear is far more energy dense

@willtcox 9 месяцев назад

This looks too good to be true. In this video, the Archimedes is claimed to be producing 1500W. At their website, they have a graph showing the max output is 1000W. On their Archimedes Windmill 2023 brochure, it claims their max output is 700W Kinetic energy but only 550 W electric... Something doesn't add up.

@sumakwelvictoria5635 9 месяцев назад

Seems like they were heavily bribed to sell this turbine! Solar panels are better long term. Install the low light level panels for winter or cloudy climate areas. Wind turbines are only feasible in coastal or near coastal areas.

@alis49281 9 месяцев назад

It is physics. You can't gain that much power from such a small thing and gain that much electric energy. These things also need to be storm-proof... Viable wind turbines sit on a at least 20 m high mast and have a diameter of 5 m. The yield increases exponential with diameter.

@MrGGPRI 9 месяцев назад

@@alis49281 FLASH: JULY 2023; The panels of a solar farm in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, that were destroyed in a hailstorm last week will likely be taken to a landfill. There’s no way to recycle a solar panel to produce another one, and it’s not economical to recover minerals from them.

@Techfanatic73 9 месяцев назад

It doesn't say 1500 watts output in the video. It says 1500kwh a year of electric produced.

@brofessormex 9 месяцев назад

Because somebody is lying

@basunnaidu55 8 дней назад

VERY PRODUCTIVE AND HOPE THIS CAN BE ADOPTED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES SMALL AND BIG ACROSS THE WORLD EFFICIENTLY.

@kunalnichani1 9 месяцев назад

The good thing is that the design looks easy to copy and its for the rest of the world to make it better and cheaper.

@robbie31580 9 месяцев назад

Seems too good to be true and extremely expensive. More real world data would be good to see.

@toddcooper2563 9 месяцев назад

I had 13 solar panels installed 8 months ago and they have already produced 4.16 Mwh. I do NOT have battery back-up and yet I have only owed $56 in electric bills total since they were installed. My panels have never needed to be washed since regular rainfall seems do the trick. The additional cost of $4,500+ would take a very long time to pay for itself. The payments on my panels are roughly 30% lower than what it was costing me to get my electricity from the grid.

@keegan773 9 месяцев назад

I’ve had solar panels for over 12 years. They paid for themselves well over two years ago and have produced more electricity and income than advertised EVERY year. My last quarter produced £823.

@251omega 6 месяцев назад

I have a 24V 25Amp (600W) wind system. I live outside the Columbia River Gorge, on the river. The average Wind speed is around 10 MPH, sometimes gusting to 20 or 30 MPH. You are good-to-go IN the Gorge, constant high winds. ---> Unfortunately, my Cheap system from China needs 20-30 MPH average for rated output. It also has to track the direction of the wind using a tail fin to keep it aimed. But, in a wind that changes direction frequently, when it changes direction, the gyroscopic forces slow the blades down, and it takes some finite amount of time to spin back up to power. ---> So, in conclusion, I really needed a vertical shaft wind turbine, to avoid drops in power when the wind direction changes. I also require a turbine that outputs its rated power, in 10 MPH wind, I probably get the wind speed I needed for full output about 20% of the time. Also, if you require enough power for a standard home you should look for a system with the highest voltage. That way, you can charge at least 8 car batteries in series (96V) so you don't need massive wires that carry 400AMPS or more to your inverters. Also, you'll need to buy MULTIPLE turbines for that kind of power, not to mention the cost of DOZENS of batteries. ---> I think you could use the 10 or 20 kilowatt battery module from a TESLA or other EV battery to save a lot of money and space. ---> I'm waiting for the Liquid Sodium Residential batteries that were under development a decade ago... They were supposed to store 50 KWH in the size of a 50 gallon barrel. For approx. $2000. Ideal for a hybrid solar/wind system. ---> One more consideration is construction quality. After about a year and a half, the BEARINGS started really humming and grinding, and the annoying hum transmitted through my entire House, like a sounding-board! You can't be rebuilding the turbine every 18 months (Not too difficult, except for getting it down and back up on the tower)

@briangriffiths114 9 месяцев назад

My solar panels are warrantied to retain 90.8% of labelled power output at the end of the 25 year guarantee. The regular downpours we have here in central Scotland maintains performance without any cleaning or any maintenance. In contrast, the wind turbine I had at my previous home required annual servicing and has since had some components replaced due to wear and tear. Therefore, I prefer domestic solar over wind but I would be interested to see an independent test of the Liam F1 by an organisation like the Energy Saving Trust, whose 2009 report on roof and ground mounted domestic turbines named Location Location Location makes for interesting reading.

@michelbisson6645 9 месяцев назад

Do they have magnetic bearing?

@briangriffiths114 9 месяцев назад

@@michelbisson6645 My wind turbine required lubricating once a year and did not have magnetic bearings.

@High-Tech-Redneck 9 месяцев назад

fully agree, independent analysis and like someone else said, this is probably a chocolate teapot

@michaelvanallen6400 8 месяцев назад

*All practical tests show that small wind turbines generate electricity only at a cost very significantly above 1€/kWh!* This is because there is hardly any wind near the ground, and it is also very gusty, which extremely reduces the service life of the systems. With solar systems, on the other hand, you can reliably generate electricity for about 8-12 cents/kWh over a period of 25 years!

@alexgunner1882 8 месяцев назад

What panels have you got?

@johnhaydon4055 9 месяцев назад

Sticking a turbine on a domestic roof is next to useless due mainly to turbulence caused by the proximity to the building, if you had a twenty metre tower to put it on then maybe you could generate a useful amount of power. But good luck with getting permission for that. Also it looks to be about 1 metre in diameter, you can easily calculate how much energy you are likely to generate given the average windspeed in your are3a and the energy contained in an airstream of that CSA (given no turbulence of course) a few M2 of solar will far out perform it, without any maintenance. This is a chocolate teapot!

@janrozema7650 9 месяцев назад

Maybe true.... but a few m2 of solar doesn't work at night. This might actually alter the solar is better then wind... But yes permission moght be a problem

@RobertRavoalavoson 9 месяцев назад

Such a usefull comment! So, what is your suggestion, if any?

@janrozema7650 9 месяцев назад

@@RobertRavoalavoson my awnser would be (if it where Affordable) try it and lets find out. The price might be reasonable, i don't know. But from my own point of view it is prohibitive

@johnhaydon4055 9 месяцев назад

@@janrozema7650 A 15kWh battery will easily store enough energy to cover the night time period, in our case we can last two days. With a 5 kWp system coupled to a battery we have only imported 6 kWh since mid March, and I think we will only start importing in mid October. Since mid Feb we have generated 3200kWh, I seriously doubt a roof mounted turbine would have achieved that,

@RobertRavoalavoson 9 месяцев назад

@@janrozema7650 I actually agree. The size seems also prohibitive and incompatible with real conditions. Multiple smaller units would be better.

@lesfawcett5245 9 месяцев назад

If they don't know the difference between a kWh and a km/h they don't know what they're doing.

@robertwagner2079 9 месяцев назад

I have many friends that live off grid, most use solar and wind, generally it's mostly solar. This is expensive but supplies most of the needed power. In locations where solar doesn't work well wind is more consistent ( mountain valleys) and a better choice. Love the Archimedes design and always have.

@debbiehenri345 9 месяцев назад

Ouch! Just looked up the cost - projected to be around £4000 (over $5000) per unit. If you need 2 (for an average household), and then all the fancy batteries, etc, on top, that 'still' adds up to a lot of money in one go. Presently, I'm paying less than £1k per year on grid electricity. While this device might last long enough to pay off its initial cost one day, regular replacement of current batteries will keep pushing that magic day further and further into the future. All these off-grid systems need to seriously come down in price or every part of them needs to be guaranteed to have a very long life-span so they are economically viable - otherwise you have all the cost of buying, fitting, replacement of batteries and maintenance on your shoulders.

@markdennis6914 3 месяца назад

Agreed, bottom line, in first world countries with very infrequent power outages per annum, UPS's will do as long as you have access to the power grid.

@lucarmyfool4800 9 месяцев назад

You cannot put that on a house roof if the house is not build for that purpose. They did tests in the Netherlands for years and even they were the first to come with a design that worked well. But the houses and factories had to remove these horizontal blades because of the noice and tremors it gave. Build it on a building that houses animals or a shed, but do not forget it has to be build for that purpose.

@davido3403 9 месяцев назад

Sounds about right if it producing that much power the wind has to really be pushing really hard on those mounting points. I guess depending on the house if you have attic access you could probably reinforce from there.

@miasgreyling1830 7 месяцев назад

One of the BEST Wind turbines in the world, if only i had the wind to run it. Modimolle South Africa

@Syncopator 9 месяцев назад

I'd like to supplement my existing solar system, where I may not need a turbine quite as powerful as this one. Or as expensive. I noticed from the video that it runs at 24V DC which would be really important so that it's compatible with off-the-shelf portable power stations (battery pack/inverter). And in fact, an interesting feature would be the ability to simultaneously run off of solar panels and turbine at the same time, so that if there's no wind but it's sunny, or no sun but it's windy, there'd still be generation going on. I would NOT be interested in a complete system with its own battery, the turbine absolutely must be component that is available separately and compatible (20-30V DC most likely).

@openyard 9 месяцев назад

Thanks to the commentators. The comments are informative and time-saving.

@eskimo32 9 месяцев назад

Sounded great until I did the maths! If it costs $7000 AUD, to offset it's cost it would need to produce 28000kwh (based on current electricity prices of 25c/kwh)... If it only produces around 1500kwh per year then this would take 18 yesrs to break even! 😳

@michaelcooney7687 9 месяцев назад

However now the rate has gone up to AU$0.51c kWh it does start to have effect when the sun goes down, as long as the wind blows.

@onlineo2263 9 месяцев назад

I bet your maths is wrong. The only people i know who have got home windturbines to be profitable have added them 5m-20m ontop of a pole that is supported with guy ropes etc. Most people in cities are not going to get planning permission for that. It also adds £10,000 to the cost. Home turbines ontop of most homes produce negligible energy, sadly

@capistev 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, I calculated a 15 year minimum break-even. This windmill is a good idea, but doesn't seem to be economical.🥵

@AORD72 9 месяцев назад

@@onlineo2263 I bet his maths is correct. Let's see your maths.

@user-vl3he9wh4c 9 месяцев назад

It's worth it If it's attested to a battery car while on the move it's battery gets charged through wind turbine and no need to plug and charge electric buses or cars in highways.

@tartanrambo 9 месяцев назад

I'm waiting for pocket sized nuclear power generators. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket, thank you. Besides that, I'm sure that a Chinese equivalent at 1/3 of the price, will hit the market soon.

@doclees11 9 месяцев назад

Scam. Been around since 2014. Sorry, no free lunch.

@purelyprimitives 10 месяцев назад

Looks easy enough to make your own...

@averteddisasterbarely2339 9 месяцев назад

I'm glad i live in a place where it's not windy enough to take advantage if this ! But i do get sunshine everyday so !

@ngana8755 9 месяцев назад

I checked out the company website and the LIAM F1 is rated at 12m/s wind speeds, which is really high wind, like in the middle of the Atlantic. At wind speeds of 5m/s as is common for many residential areas, this turbine is no match for current wind turbines.

@FightCollective 9 месяцев назад

Wonder if a one or two mini versions of this mounted on a car would help with electric cars??

@WorBlux 9 месяцев назад

I had measuring equipment in north part of the Texas panhandle we measures a 10.8m/s average wind speed one month.

@laughinggas5281 9 месяцев назад

@@FightCollective the additional wind resistance overrides the power generated.

@AORD72 9 месяцев назад

"Rated", what does that mean? Is that the start speed or optimal speed. What is the start speed?

@WorBlux 9 месяцев назад

@@AORD72 Rated speed is when it hits nominal power. There is also a cut-in speed, a cut-out speed, and a damage speed.

@Elec-ko8rn 9 месяцев назад

What is the level of noise (turbine plus bearings)at different wind speeds. It is essential to know this data if you put it on your roof and have neighbors.

@kaf2303 9 месяцев назад

This is the first time I’ve heard anyone flame pv systems require more maintenance than wind! My solar might need hosting off once per year

@Casmige 9 месяцев назад

What type of hosting?

@dudmanjohn 9 месяцев назад

Yes, that makes no sense to me either.

@AORD72 9 месяцев назад

Yea, total BS.

@PINKALIMBA 5 месяцев назад

You could get the best of both world by combining both solar panels and wind turbines. Depending on your location, you could have PV/WT contribution of 90/10, 50/50, or even the other way. Both complement each other especially in the night the wind turbine contributed a lot in charging our battery banks and we have captured the data trending for a few years and it worked beautifully. Less battery size is used due to the add-on of wind turbines and saved some footprint and costs of the batteries.

@thebearsden1701 3 месяца назад

If you plan to go off grid ...you need solar panels & wind turbines ...I have 2 turbines ..as well...2000 watts of solar..

@carolkilpatrick6674 9 месяцев назад

I would consider this wind turbine because I live in the west of Scotland where we get a lot more wind than sun.

@jedics1 9 месяцев назад

At that price it is going to take well over a decade to break even, probably two in some circumstances and thats before installation costs which are substantial to mount it somewhere elevated and safe. Absolutely does not make sense financially anywhere but the windiest and cloudiest places, low cost diy turbines that pay for themselves in 1 to 5 years are still the only way to go unless your motivations are something other than financial, then your probably the type of person to take advise from a channel that says the turbine produces 4000km/h as well :)

@XaMeleONz 9 месяцев назад

😂

@user-xg4fj5pf1j 26 дней назад

I think it is great system. I am interested in learning more about this system. I am even thinking of installing a pilot system at home before I can instal a large system to power my entire home. Thanks Bhanu.

@mikelind2762 3 месяца назад

Looks like a great option for Puerto Rico properties along with solar. The islands get lots of wind flow on and off the island and ocean day and night. Would be great to see some island applications. I have a few properties I would consider wind turbines like this that would be perfect.

@Kalicdire 9 месяцев назад

5ms is nearly 18m/h winds that's nearly 50% higher wind requirements than a 3 blade turbine for the same swept area. Rather have something designed to run in 1-2ms and put a magnetic coupler on it to deal with over speed in high winds

@paradiselost9946 9 месяцев назад

wouldnt it be better to do something with the power in high wind speeds, slow the blades down by performing work on something, rather than simply let it slip past? maybe reconsider the problem, and consider alternative ways to perform... "work". by definition, everything is heat... every step of the way, making electricity, you are making heat... is it a loss? so why make electricity at all?

@markgrabowski8662 9 месяцев назад

5m/s is 18km/h

@Kalicdire 9 месяцев назад

@@markgrabowski8662 you are correct that is a typo

@grantmidd 10 месяцев назад

As someone who has both solar and wind it is a joke to say; 1) solar requires any maintenance 😂 2) that a wind requires less or the same as solar. Maintenance costs are around 10% of the energy made each year and as they are mechanical. Way more likely to break down.

@vijayvelugu7216 9 месяцев назад

LiamF1 wind turbines are excellent in windy cities. If produced in my country of India we can do it in 1500 dollars.

@colinr1835 9 месяцев назад

I would consider this turbine for my home, we live on rising ground where it’s generally windy 5-15 knots but I’d like to combine it with solar as we’re living in the south uk and battery storage ! This way I can access both of natures offerings when available !

@terryelizabeth2841 9 месяцев назад

I have definitely have to clean my solar panels as we go several months with no rain at all and lots of pollen land on them. Also, they gradually accumulate some moss.

@Milkybar3320011 10 месяцев назад

I’ve seen this turbine before, the last company went up like a rocket and disappeared, mmmm is this a new version of the same company?

@1new-man 4 месяца назад

Hear the wind blow dear hear the wind blow. Passing wind is normal, but the amount varies between individuals and depends on a number of factors including diet. Some people pass wind only a handful of times per day, others up to 40 times, while the average seems to be about 15. Harnessing that volume of wind could change everything.

@Yekemcar 7 месяцев назад

I see that price is the major obstacle to this product. While generally, it's really interesting to have many option in hand for electric generating (panel, wind, hydraulic ..) because conditions are different for users. And thank you to share this video with us ❤☀️💚

@Kntryhart 9 месяцев назад

Interesting design! The concern that occured to me is what happens when the turbine gets out of balance? What do I mean? The location I live can have moderate to extreme freezing rain. If the turbine got coated with ice, what would happen? Does it sense the out-of-balance and shut down? Would it vibrate itself to death or destroy its mount? Also, instead of all these vibrant colors, why not make it clear or translucent so it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb? Regards.

@DrTofutybeast 9 месяцев назад

Good questions

@iseeum 9 месяцев назад

Translucent blades would make it a bird grinder just like clear glass windows on tall buildings can be bird forcefields. Several years ago I saw a wind turbine that was mounted vertically and was less than 2 meters tall. It had two blades. Each looked like half a tornado and they were connected with a small gap to let the wind in. The blades' turn circumference was constant (unlike this nautilus shape). No bird would fly into the gap between the blades because it was always in motion. No bird would fly into the blade body because it was solid and opaque. Birds don't splat into tree trunks. And no bird would fly into the envelope around the blade and get smacked because the blade never intruded into the envelope.

@IbadassI 9 месяцев назад

To stop ice forming, you could make it out of hard rubber, like that on jet engines. The slight vibration of the tube will destroy ice like it does on jet engines.

@mubhalerao 9 месяцев назад

Or the turbine blades can be coated with a non stick polymer like PTFE .

@emilianogabriel9613 9 месяцев назад

Price the complete package

@Obliticus 9 месяцев назад

I'd like to see one of these windmills last 25 years like solar panels do. Plus solar panels are ZERO maintenance when installed properly... I've never had to clean mine in over 12 years. There is just no way a mechanical device like this is as durable and reliable as a solid state device like a solar panel.

@servetc1970 9 месяцев назад

It is because you dont have much dust around where ever you are living. In middle east we have a lot of sun but also a lot of dust so we regularly have to clean dust from the panels to keep efficiency high. And yes also there is the problem of birds shitting on them. Sometimes in some places birds, if the panels are on their way, drop too much shit onto the panels which accumulates in time and makes things even worse. And also there is the problem of hail which can sometimes be really very strong and break/crack the panels. So solar is not without its problems

@Obliticus 9 месяцев назад

@@servetc1970 One of the 4 seasons where I live is locally called "dust season" and none of the problem you list have given me issues. The rain and snow wash off the dust, birdshit, leaves, etc. And I'd like to see how well this turbine survives a bad hailstorm. Nothing you said should deter anyone from choosing solar over wind.

@jayairBofR 9 месяцев назад

The materials required for solar need heavy mining and processing that includes slavery in many places. If this is fixed the panels are no longer affordable.

@thealzp 9 месяцев назад

"NOVEMBER 19, 2015 - THE ARCHIMEDES THE ARCHIMEDES - LIAM F1 URBAN WIND TURBINE The Liam F1 Urban Wind Turbine is a small wind turbine with a diameter of 1,5 meters which weighs approximately 100 kilograms. Due to its size and weight it is suitable for installation on almost every roof and wall. In the Netherlands, the Liam will generate between 300 and 2,500 kilowatts annually at an average wind speed of 4,5 meters per second. These results are measured at 10 meters height, the average height of the roof of a terraced house. In the Netherlands, the most common wind direction is South-West" November 2015 ...... 8 Years ago ....

@kls2020 9 месяцев назад

Solar panels continually lose output capacity every year over their 25 year lifespans . Also having a dirty surface on a solar panel can reduce it's output by 50%

@brothershah3470 9 месяцев назад

I will consider buying this Lion Wind Turbine..Its unique and very easy to install.

@keesras763 7 месяцев назад

Pity that the video contains wrong units for the expected power out of the wind turbine. Also I would rather like to see a specification that shows how much power is generated by a Iiam with size x and wi d speed y. Or better, a graph showing the power output verus wind speed for a specific unit. That would ease the buying decision big time.

@davidkuiken6771 9 месяцев назад

I need two in Texas, USA. I support Dutch businesses. With a name like Kuiken.😊 lets get me set up and use it as a Demo location in Texas!

@MrSummitville 9 месяцев назад

No!

@maddog8841 9 месяцев назад

Sounds good to connect to my caravan

@ykcasual 8 месяцев назад

im not broke, but i dont have the money or the will to shackle myself to a house and then hope that the panels turn out allright.

@holidayrap 8 месяцев назад

I think you can make one of those things by fabricating the impeller/blade and connecting it to a car alternator. It would be a crude version but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

@danrusso7647 3 месяца назад

Crude version / who the hell cares as it wouldn’t cost no $4500.00 YES IT WILL WORK. SET IT UP WITH SEVERAL ALTERNATORS. COST PROBABLY UNDER 1000. Now we are talking

@mikeharrington5593 9 месяцев назад

Performance looks good - but it also looks like a bird shredder

@themusicman-ij7op 9 месяцев назад

A wire cage will prevent that🛒🗑️

@laughinggas5281 9 месяцев назад

I'd love to see these put up along the Chicago River, downtown. For the power (local lighting), and the visual. And there's a ton of wind every time I've been there.

@Soldier53flyer 8 месяцев назад

I'm a disabled veteran and would love to buy your system but on what I make this is just a pipe dream. 😢 but one day if I hit the lotto, sign me up!

@donalddday7741 9 месяцев назад

small version for R V,s that can be carried from place to place to keep batteries charged would be nice

@GrantSR 9 месяцев назад

The problem with this, for RVs is that it doesn't look sad if it will pack small, and you can't leave it up while you drive down the road. For RVs, the best bet is solar, plus a regular small wind generator, if you want.

@daniellapain1576 9 месяцев назад

You could pull off an RV version using a 3D printer and build the mount system yourself. 🤷‍♂

@jocramkrispy305 9 месяцев назад

@@daniellapain1576 print a new one every time you park up?

@daniellapain1576 9 месяцев назад

@@jocramkrispy305 well you can get creative using a 3d printer and design one that is easy to use and pack up.

@selbub 10 месяцев назад

No actual performance data for this 'amazing innovation".....

@MrSummitville 9 месяцев назад

A university tested this wind turbine on a 30 ft high pole, in a mildly windy area. It generated only 100 watt-hours per day. Pathetic. The real-world test results can be found using Google search

@j4genius961 9 месяцев назад

If I hear "Liam...F1 wind turbine" one more time I might go nuts

@gazsm1 5 месяцев назад

Instead of the government offering grants, etc, for insulating homes, they should offer solar panels or these(or ones like it) turbines on every available home, ie ones that would suit solar better or wind energy better... with all these solar and wind energies feeding surplus energy into the grid, the price would drop dramatically. Also, have small vortex or wheel turbines on waterways and rivers(these do not impact wildlife). Rivers that are prone to flood could be utilised by building a run off at a lower level than the river, perhaps underground, with vortex turbines spaced apart feeding the run off where wheel turbines could be employed, effectively using the water twice. Vortex turbines require a faster speed to work effectively, and wheel turbines can be geared to work more effectively at lower speeds. None of this will happen, not because of cost but the energy suppliers won't be able to profit from them. For the UK to become net zero and 'green', it needs to become self-reliant and not reliant on profit based control of big energy companies.

@Saros-136 9 месяцев назад

I just loved it! Combining the solar panels, could be the best. But (I'm sorry), I don't have 10 or 20 years of saving, to get my investment back. But this propeller's design, is gorgeus and I think I can make a copy by myself. The kinethic energie, could be gotten underwater also, and I see it very promising for the nearby future.

@rogeroeyen 9 месяцев назад

I have been looking into wind turbines, but have not been able to find a system which is cost effective for a home application. It may be a different story if you live near the coast, but in an urban environment it's not even close to the performance of my solar panels. Seriously doubt that the maintenance of a wind turbine is cheaper than solar panels. Any equipment with moving parts will have wear, where solar panels is a static system without moving parts. We currently have 10 (LG solar 3.400 KWp total) panels installed at the total cost of 4900 € (including, the inverter, the installation, software to follow up the system and the mandatory inspection by the government). That's about equal to the price of a single wind turbine (not installed) but my solar panels have never been cleaned and after 3 years still produces approximately 3200 Kw/h per year, which is more than double compared to this wind turbine. I have not noticed any degradation in the performance of my solar panels (up to now). Calling this turbine more efficient than solar panels is dubious at best.

@drmachinewerke1 7 месяцев назад

Wind , solar with batteries is the way to go. I remember what my oldest brother said long ago. If you were driving to Colorado. Would you go without a spare.

@igorschmidlapp6987 8 месяцев назад

This video was created for SALES purposes. That may not be why it was posted here, but that was why it was created...

@willm5814 10 месяцев назад

I doubt it - don’t believe anyone that is indicating that wind turbines are effective a ground level unless your on an ocean shoreline where thw winds are always coming onshore- with wind power, wind velocity is everything and when there are trees and/or buildings in the area wind speeds will be low and turbulent at ground level - turbines need to be high/above the turbulence, where winds are strong and consistent (wind power varies with velocity cubed - if wind speed doubles, the power output is 8 times greater)

@rogerphelps9939 9 месяцев назад

They also need to be big. Power output is proportional to swept area which is proportional to the square of the blade length.

@claesgustafsson5879 8 месяцев назад

The information I found from a quick googling is that 1m² of wind at 8m/s (which is a decent wind) has the energy of 314W. If you consider this method of warming your house, 314W is approximately the same amount of energy that you get from being 3 persons in a room. You need 6 of these and >8m/s wind to power a 2 kW heater. I think I will pass...

@pietjepuk8943 8 месяцев назад

Our heat pump takes only 380 W electric power to keep our house warm. That's roughly 2 kW of heat.

@philliprobinson7724 6 месяцев назад

Hi. You could use the 314 watts to power a heat-pump. Cheers, P.R.

@funkydozer 8 месяцев назад

Make it 100 times bigger, stick it in a funnel shaped tube, and submerge it in a tidal current

@solentbum 9 месяцев назад

The degree of misdirection in this video is interesting. Solar Panels shown being installed against comments re 'maintenence' . And directly showcasing this small low power wind genny against a background of MW sized commercial Wind Generators. It's like comparing a soapbox cart with a Rolls Royce in the background.

@JoeyBlogs007 9 месяцев назад

Wind and solar work better together. It's misleading because solar requires less mechanical maintenance. He's comparing cleaning of panels to mechanical maintenance of wind turbines. That's just silly.

@rayneale7312 9 месяцев назад

Nice presentation, but would like to have seen\heard some info on the anticipated DB's or decibels of noise put out by these wind turbines at various sizes, wind speeds, etc.

@CSKapper 9 месяцев назад

I agree that should have been mentioned here. I looked it up. According to the manufacturer's brochure, it produces 45 decibels of sound.

@zbigniewteterycz1571 7 месяцев назад

SUPER IDEA . POZDRAWIAM .

@Pastor_RogerSherwood 2 месяца назад

With a cost of $5450 US, that's hard to justify: 1500kWh * $0.136/kWh (Nova Scotia Power) = $204/yr savings on electricity. Over 20 years, that's $4,080 at today's energy prices.

@pakipower 9 месяцев назад

Logically the more moving parts the more wear and tear. This issue bears a lot of weight while deciding between the two even if it costs less than the Solar Panels, which is not the case, in my opinion.

@duncanlawson4002 9 месяцев назад

If windmills generators used the software from EXRO they could significantly increase efficiency , currently EXRO focusing on electric car motors , improving performance by 30-50% , windmills generators are just electric motors in reverse

@paradiselost9946 9 месяцев назад

the generator isnt the issue. what do you DO with the power being converted from kinetic to electrical? if theres nothing there to accept it, in direct proportion to it being delivered? batteries cant deal with it, and we design generators that are limited so batteries can deal with them, but then the generators limited in what it can produce when the wind starts getting too fast, and the batteries are still a massive bottle neck. so then we stick BRAKES on the things. power goes up by the cube of the wind velocity. and we just waste it and let it slip past when its getting to actually be useful. like buying a ferrari and sitting in gridlock, like jumping out of a jet plane just after takeoff. humans are smart like that. the ferrari is serving its purpose solely by sitting there, its not meant to ever be driven, lol. and i guess its worth jettisoning an f18 to get on top of that building over there... the brakes convert kinetic energy into heat. the rectifiers make heat. the wires make heat. the bearings make heat. the batteries make heat. the inverter makes heat. every time, a loss. an inefficiency. unavoidable they say. notice any... pattern developing? we use electricity to warm up food. to warm our hands. to warm a bit of tungsten to white hot to make light (well... we did). software doesnt fix the issue... yall have your heads up your arses and cant see the forest for the trees. answers there. staring you in the face. software aint going to connect the dots for you.

@SuperJIPANK 9 месяцев назад

This very interesting Ideal size, safe and very easy maintenance Acceptable for lower and upper condition

@folkoyt 8 месяцев назад

It has been proven by engineers that wind turbines are virtually insignificant and effective in populated areas! If you think that this system does everything you promise, you can do a test installation at my house to prove your words! I live in northern Germany with lots of wind from the west!

@tggraham3321 9 месяцев назад

I'd love to combine both technologies. But in my area.. I'd need to think about hail and strong storms. . If it wasn't powering a power-packed, then you could sell the excess generation back to the grid (at a far reduced rate) but it would be nice if there was some sort of protective cover for hail. Plus it would need to rotate based on wind. What about an aluminum dome/tube that may even act has a wind tunnel to increase the efficiency. I like iI. But its not ready for SE Texas. But yes. I'd consider it

@madtscientist8853 9 месяцев назад

1. Only works in high wind 2. You still need a gear box 3. You will still need 20 or more on a HOUSE to POWER it. 4. You would need to make it bigger to get as much MASS as possible. 5. The wind speed slowes down as it goes thought the turbine. 6. It need to be stretched in time to capture more power and it's design is not the 1.619 golden ratio verity.

@GulfCoast98 9 месяцев назад

1. It works in just about any wind. 2. So? 3. LOL 4. Or more units 5. Duh 6. Not sure Time Travel is necessary.

@migueluribe4249 9 месяцев назад

Not sure why you claim it is not designed on the golden ratio. They said it was based on nature and looks very close to the golden ratio. How did you mesure it?

@freelectron2029 9 месяцев назад

the narrator has no idea what they are talking about@@GulfCoast98 they say the unit produces 1500kw/hrs a year while writing km/hr on the screen more than once. smart people dont make this obvious mistake once, let alone twice. second he says you only need 3.5kw of PV to run a house. hahaha. that wouldnt run a toaster for more than an hour. so many basic mistakes in this video. standard click bait looking for views fake nonsense.

@TheNewMediaoftheDawn 9 месяцев назад

This OP is a little off😂. Many off grid homes are powered using a few panels and one or two Turbines…. Unless you need electric heat, which most people don’t use anyway, they use gas or oil. Off grid use passive solar and/or wood.

@freelectron2029 9 месяцев назад

@@TheNewMediaoftheDawn i build solar systems for homes in australia. lots of sun. "a few panels" is nothing. you can barely power a camper van with that. and no we arent using electricity for heating. using gas for heat is NOT OFF GRID. going to the shop to buy gas ISNT OFF GRID. i would say judging by your comments you have absolutely no real world experience in off grid living or installs. incredible how all these keyboard warriors with no real world experience know everything and are going to save the world. no wonder the world is headed for disaster so fast. know it alls who know nothing. please sir. check your yourself. passing on false information might make you feel good but it might cost someone a lot of time and money before they realise you had no idea what you were talking about. this video is not designed to inform or teach yo uanything. it is designed for VIEWS. TO GET CLICKS. TO GET YOUR SUB. this is the problem today, kids with no real world knowledge thinking they can just appeal to your emotions by making videos to make money. they dont care about people or sustainability, they care about themselves. money. this is the world we live in today. fajke virtue everywhere. some dont even know they are doing it because they havent actually lived in the real world yet. mommy and dady paid for school and they have only had easy to get robot jobs. sad truth. and when you get older you will agree. trust me. same cycle. over and over. you cant be told, you need to find out yourself.

@larryferguson4663 4 месяца назад

I’ve never seen a system that works as well as this before.,,, but somehow I’m thinking I have seen it. I’m 78 years old, and started mechanically in 1964. Although I had a string of part time jobs until went in the Air Force. I am convinced that I’ve seen this mechanism before. Maybe Galileo, or Divici helicopter, these things all have some commonality , I see one thing that stands above all else. . JLF 2/27/24 12 pm.

@SolAce-nw2hf 9 месяцев назад

Nice idea, but I don't think this makes sense for most people. Maybe if you have no grid connection and no neighbours complaining about the way it looks, sounds or blocks their view. The claim that it will need less maintenance than solar is a bold one for something with moving parts. No way this thing will run smooth for decades in harsh weather conditions without changing parts and periodic lubrication. Solar panels will typically work just fine without any cleaning. And even changing out an inverter if needed is much cheaper compared to doing maintenance at the height this windmill needs to be to work well. It may be most useful for mobile applications in wide open spaces where power is not available and using sunlight is not an option all year round.

@vmoutsop 9 месяцев назад

Too bad the average wind speed on going over a house is less than half the 5 meters per second this turbine requires

@markjohnson4053 9 месяцев назад

I have always like the idea of wind power as compared to solar. This is a small simple system that has a very bright future if properly marketed and backed. They should try and break into the California market here in the U.S. A good portion of the state has adequate wind. It also has the political climate which is pushing for renewables. Most people don't realize it, but California pretty much led the world on auto emission control requirements starting back in the 1960s.

@jussikankinen9409 9 месяцев назад

Using both better

@MrSummitville 9 месяцев назад

This is garbage

@obenvaleryparh1042 9 месяцев назад

More moving parts more maintenance on this wind power energy never the less it's better than solar cause it works in both season either day or night yessssss once more I salute you creators of this device

@joeljong931 9 месяцев назад

Agree, also more practical in areas of lower solar gain and on Multistory buildings that take advantage of gusts traveling to the roof from the walls.

@shortlife365 8 месяцев назад

I live in the US and would put that on my roof in a heartbeat

@DennisMathias 9 месяцев назад

I never clean my solar panels and the output is still about the same. Going on 4 years. I have concerns about moving parts in weather. Mechanical maintenance is going to be a problem. Nothing was mentioned about power output in a light or medium breeze. Ground mounted turbines would be a hazard not only for wildlife but humans at ground level.

@WindmillsTech 8 месяцев назад

Cost and installation might be a concern, but considering the long-term benefits and environmental impact, it's a promising investment.

@15MileMedia 9 месяцев назад

Oh hell yes! 🎉

@damodarprabhu2320 8 месяцев назад

Sir, Your have given very good information about wind energy thank you

@palehighlander8635 8 месяцев назад

I was very enthousiastic about the Liam a couple of years ago. Then I did my research and found the 'wind map' of the area were I live. Maybe if you live near the coast it would be a bit better, but inland and in an urban area, it willnot generate enough power. I do wish the compagny all the best, and I do like the idea and design.

@mark140363 9 месяцев назад

Conceptually a good idea. Have long maintained that all new builds should come with solar panels and roof mounted turbines as standard. The price of this model is currently excessive but, like solar panels, it has the potential to reduce with time as more players enter the market.

@johnlennox-pe2nq 9 месяцев назад

by setting up a leaf blower on your roof it will operate at all times - and when wind drops. neat

@rogerphelps9939 9 месяцев назад

No. Turbines are not worthwhile. Anything on the roof will definitely be too small, will make a racket in the house and will shake the roof to bits.

@lauralucca4184 8 месяцев назад

Looks cool to me! The batteries are still a recycling problem, though. Perhaps this one can just be fitted without batteries in a windy area?😊

@JohnDir-xw3hf 7 месяцев назад

It's an awful idea. This types of turbine don't work. It's also extremely expensive.

@user-ke9yk5qp3u 5 месяцев назад

Roof mounted turbines are pure garbage. There is not a single one that has even gotten close to proving itself.

@Mtnshell56 9 месяцев назад

Wow! Super interested!

@brucecampbell6133 9 месяцев назад

In my humble observation/understanding, the Liam F1 does not employ aerodynamic lift in its operation and therefore functions more like a Savonius wheel (moving due to displacement by wind pressure). Not a lot of power is generated with these designs (maybe 25 to 30 % the of power generated by a horizontal axis wind turbine (which utilizes aerodynamic lift) sweeping the same area of wind stream. That's why horizontal axis wind turbines are used in all commercial wind farms across the planet. Lots of misleading information on the internet on this. Thank you for adding to the confusion...

@FutureGalaxy 9 месяцев назад

Hello, thank you for watching my video and leaving a comment. I appreciate your feedback and support. 😊 I apologize for the typing mistake during the video editing. At 02:59, it is mistakenly written Km/h instead of kW/h. This is a human error and I hope you can ignore it. The correct unit for power is kilowatt-hour (kWh), which is the amount of energy consumed or produced by a device in one hour. Kmh is the unit for speed, which is the distance travelled by an object in one hour. I hope this clarifies the confusion and does not affect your enjoyment of the video. Please like, share and subscribe to my channel for more interesting content. Thank you! 🙏

@briangriffiths114 9 месяцев назад

No big deal and it did not spoil what was an interesting video.

@FutureGalaxy 9 месяцев назад

@@briangriffiths114 Thank you so much higley appreciated 🙏🙏.

9 месяцев назад

no , correct unit is kWh :D

@NoSmoke123 9 месяцев назад

You are still wrong. The correct units would be kWh (not that your claimed 1,500 kWh per year is any more accurate).

@MR-ub6sq 9 месяцев назад

Hello FutureGalaxy, dear social media influencer :) One other video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jBFokoqt3Wk.html says "kindness is in the little things"... So I appreciate when you present a greeting at the beginning of the video. Thanks for that! More and more social media influencers do not present a greeting in their videos. Some others did it before but gave up. To many people It's "just a little thing" and think that "Tuber just wants to get straight to the point". It's a little thing like a slip on a snowy slope causing a huge avalanche! Or if the jacket of the suit has one small thread frayed from the surface of the fabric, it is no anymore usable. What about leaving out a little greeting? Each video easily has thousands, tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of views. And when the same model is repeated in thousands of videos on numerous different channels. That's suddenly billions of views of influence. Young viewers in particular absorb influences without realizing it and eventually set a model for each other. And where does this lead? Most people in the world do not know what the Bible really is: The best and most reliable book of prophecy. Almost 2000 years ago, about the "last days" were written like this: "But know this, that in the last days Grievous times will be upon us. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers , without self-control, savage, haters of good, betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of Pleasure rather than lovers of God," (2 Timothy 3:1-4)

@ortiandy 7 месяцев назад

You say kWh but say km/h. Who read correction?

@gavinlynas2833 9 месяцев назад

"The Lion F1 Wind Turbine". Everyone got that? Let's repeat it 1000 more times so no-one forgets. In fact, let's add it to every sentence we say.

@PJM454 6 месяцев назад

Maintenance: Solar panels cleaned with rain or a hose vs greasing bearing? I'd say the maintenance and longevity of solar panels vs moving parts of a wind turbine is a no brainer and average Joe wouldn't be fooled by this claim. Strike three for me.