Hey ! thank you so much for sharing your knowledge again, very nice tutorial ! could you send a link to get your lineart brushed ? it would be amazing ! thanks again !
zooming in excessively is one of those sins that no one really mentions when getting into digital art so I'm glad you covered it! I generally render completely zoomed out but ngl I wanted to try a really detailed lined piece and committed that mistake and it turned out very questionable. This was a really nice vid! Edit: I thought I'd add on to this since I seem to have missed mentioning it but there is definitely a time and a place for zooming in. I just speak from my own personal experience when I say that something that made my lines smoother personally was staying more zoomed out throughout the process and then cleaning it up afterwards while zoomed in. Not to attack the idea of zooming at all, I think it's very helpful too :)
Well, zooming in is great for mobile phones, small tablets, and generally working on details. Well, "sins" is probably metaphorical, so I won't go on about how debunked religion is (thankfully materialism atheism dogma is debunked too). People can zoom in as they please. I guess you don't like it. Many like me prefer the zoom wheels and such. To each their own. Various artists have various methods. Some prefer little to no line art and work with shapes instead. Etc.
Plus, he doesn't like his line art, but I love it. So, he's pessimistic and overly analytical. So, I wouldn't take his advice on the zooming here and the line art anyways. Lmfao. The one he says much better is actually not as nice as the one he calls an abomination.
But it's also not for digital art, he says it's for line art. As I said, plenty use zoom in, and plenty paint while zooming in. Heavy lines is a style in itself too. So, some of what you both say is ridiculous. But whatever. Lol.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked hello, I appreciate your input on this but I'm just talking about reliance versus proper use. Of course zooming in is a great tool, but I speak from personal experience when I say that it can be a problem at times. I much prefer how I do lines now where I don't generally zoom in unless something important needs to be fixed because it makes my lines much more smooth. But on my phone, it was super useful for me because phone screens are small and difficult to work with. That's more or less helpful depending on the style your going for and your preferences, I'm trying to work on my composition skills so I find staying zoomed out helpful There are many lovely variations on line art and unlined art and this is just one particular artist's type. I'm guessing you don't mesh well with this style so I wish you luck looking for a style you do prefer :)
That's why as a beginner I'd recommend Illustrator over Photoshop. Master Illustrator first and you don't ever have to worry about lineart looking pixelated as you zoom in since you are working with vectors. You can zoom in as far as you want. With raster images the bane is too little detail the more you zoom in and as a force of habit most artists are perfectionist and want that added detail the more they zoom in. I feel it takes more mastery to become comfortable with pixelation and be able to work within those confines. Your art will certainly face a steeper learning curve with Photoshop than Illustrator
But Drawing with sketchy lines can also make your art look more alive and less ‘digitally’ if executed properly. It really depends on style. But overall I don’t think it’s a bad thing
Yep it's a stylistic thing. My book on retro cartooning (think like fairly odd parents) says to use thick outside lines. I think the advice for any art style is to ask yourself "how will this affect the end product. Will this mesh well with my goal for this piece."
he doesnt word it all that well but there is worlds of difference between doing lots of tiny lines to create one big one and a single smooth, clean line. i have a sketchier style and it looks a lot nicer. ofc if youre going for a sorta horror esque, scribbled style it works but thats when youre actively going against the rules. in general it looks nicer, also its better for your hand! also also its kinda silly to do if you already do a sketch layer, and then do that over top
Your lack of attention to fine detail is why clout chasers with dumb opinions exist The lines are thinner on softer areas like skin (some areas) and hair
True. I have a tremor in my hand. Have tried for years with exercise and stuff to get rid of it. But even if I nail the line confidently, it's still going to be uneven. So I basically stopped doing lineart completely and I'm pretty happy with my lineless art.
To anyone who doesn’t see how the first version is “ugly”. He means his lines were thick without purpose; he drew thick lines by default and lines of different weights weren’t placed with intention. Thick lines aren’t necessarily an issue but he didn’t have everything equally thick in a way that served the piece. Instead, he had lines so thick it chopped off some of the form of the fingers etc. which is why he hates the fingers- the line weight he used by default was too thick to capture the delicate look he wanted for them and they ended up looking like hands but not the young, cute ones he wanted and probably captured in the looser sketch. Conversely, his preferred line work still has some thick lines! But it’s intentional line weight variation as the thickest lines all have a purpose! They’re on the eyelashes for emphasis and wherever shadows are cast. Note how in the previous one, the thicker lines are disorganised- there are thick lines around the top of the hand but not the top of the shirt- even though each would be equally well lit- and it makes for a less clean look because it’s less deliberate. There’s nothing wrong with thick lines in general! It’s just not what served his illustrations, where he’s better off being intentional about where the thicker lines go.
@@apollidoe6651 no worries at all! Thank you! I was a little concerned that some ppl misinterpreted the video to mean that thicker lines were bad so I wanted to add my 2c to clear that up 😁
It's always good to remember that sketchy/messy/thick lineart is also valid and can look very beautiful! You want to use different types of lineart for different purposes. If your art is more shading dependent, then you'll want thinner and cleaner lines. If your art is more graphic and cartoony with less shading, you'll have more wiggle room for messier and thicker lines.
i know that another certain popular art youtuber talked about this, but i do think it's important to add here: if you're a manga/anime fan & have ever wondered why in some anime, they don't capture the personality present in the manga, this is why!! there's a reason it's extremely rare for animation to have very sketchy or painterly art styles; it's absurdly difficult to animate something with a lot of intricate details, so more often than not, the linework for animation needs to be super clean. but what lends the manga that personality is often that very same sketchy style that the manga artist uses. it's sort of a catch 22; the same cleanness that makes it easier to animate is the same thing that makes it lose that personality that was so beloved in the manga version. just something to keep in mind. c:
@@lynn4840 It is very rare for manga to have sketchy art too even when done traditionally. Manga inking is very clean. The only difference is that is has more thickness variation but not really sketchy.
@@SoulGuitarMetal Well, when HxH started it was really sketchy, and I kinda like it, but with time it seems manga started to need to be cleaner too, so the style of the manga got cleaner too. It's the only older Manga I've read so I don't know if it was juste Togashi's choice or if it's an actual trend that went on. Just wondering.
I don't actually have a style when drawing digitally because I want to try different techniques and brushes such as cartoony style and more detailed style So I am learning how to do better lineart when it comes to anime and manga
My strong armed king, thank you for these tips. I always have these insanely thicc lines and I've always struggled to figure out how to draw thin lines and like, I feel like this is going to be a massive help. Bless you.
@@RadicalYue Im glad you figured it out then. Sometimes things bother you and you let them slide but it turns out they have easy fixes. Problem of being self taught.
It’s always best to learn new things once you make it an end you can have fun by redrawing your mistakes like Bob Ross says mistakes are happy accidents
For people struggling with drawing lines in one stroke and not making them wobbly, something that helped me make my lines a lot cleaner was practicing on actual paper using a pen. Try drawing likes from one point to another using your whole arm to make your strokes. Focus on being confident with the strokes of your pen. You can also practice drawing cubes with this method. Do it before drawing, and you'll improve the confidence of your lines gradually. Edit: Also don't do this on tablet. It'll be a lot more useful to you if you do this with a pen and paper because you won't be able to erase.
I personally prefer thicker lineart When done right it can look really cool and it can make the character pop alot I also really don't like the whole " thiner the lineart better the work" tip because this doesn't apply to every artist and artstyles And I actually liked your "bad and gross" lineart way more than your "better" one But again that's just personal preferences 😀
there's probably not a single piece of linework advice on this entire planet that could apply to every artist/artstyle, so its not really fair to critique the video on that aspect. lineart and style are things very personal to the artist. if you're looking for advice on thinner, smooth lines, great! if not, also great! its all finding what works for you
it depends on how the thick lines are used imo. You can use line thickness to accentuate form or imply lighting, and it can really add to the depth of a piece. A anime that does this insanely well is demon slayer. But if the lines are just really thick with no methodology it can end up looking pretty flat (tho, ofc that can be a stylistic choice too)
His lines were thick without purpose- he didn’t have everything equally thick in a way that served the piece, he had lines so thick it chopped off some of the form of the fingers etc. there’s nothing wrong with thick lines! It’s just not what served his illustrations.
My biggest problem with lineart is that I don't know which brush to use. I'm currently most comfortable drawing the lines with a coloring brush because all the specialized lineart brushes I tried tend to have very low opacity on fine lines, which then resulted in me pressing harder, which then in turn resulted in thick lines again. And in hand pain.
That's the best part of pens: you can tweak them to your liking! if you find you're pressing harder because of the brush, then tweak the pressure on it OR search for brushes and try a bunch out on a simple sketch, like a few lines of hair and see which feels the best.
i am basically just a rookie when i comes to lineart so these tips are helping a lot already! My main struggle is finding the balance between thick and thin lines, but that takes practice of course. Tnx a lot!
as a person that did traditional art for many many many years and started drawing digitally quite recently, pressing hard is okay to me because i have the balance and know how hard i have to push to create a line i need, my lineart always ends up looking extremely clean in the end, just pros of doing a shit ton of traditional art...
Dropping some gems I see 👀 Oh an ever since I've been pressing lightly and layering my line art for variation, I can draw for longer periods so my wrist won't hurt! Not only will you get better line art following these tips, but you'll avoid injuries from pressing too hard for so long and having a really tight grip on the stylus
In order to avoid the awkwardness of the sketch to lineart mess, I did smth that i found works really well for me. I start with a very light and loose sketch, then keep overlining and adjusting the spots that will be closer to the final look until i have a relatively dark and thick line there that can’t be overlined anymore. From there I erase the surrounding sketchy lines and use a soft eraser to make the thick line thinner. And finally, I can keep adding thickness in some places on that line and erasing others to make it cleaner and add variety. In the end, I’m left with a lineart-like line without having to struggle with doing ACTUAL lineart, which is something that’s always been immensely difficult for me.
Honestly the two drawings simply look like different styles. I'm not sure one could say one is "better" than the other. Both look fine. I know when I draw some lines I draw thin and others thick. It's more about consistency than anything. If your lines wobble or the thickness varies that's a problem. But if your draw consistent lines, that alone will make your drawings pop.
I've watched a lot of tutorials and rarely do I see people address line art weight or changing up how hard to press your pen so this was super helpful to me! Sometimes the simpler stuff like that is what really makes a huge impact on the piece overall as you've shown us. Thank you for sharing!
I saw a lineart video by a tiktoker that said "make light long strokes" and I realized how heavy handed I was! It's crazy how something so small can make a HUGE change in your lineart!
It's so interesting seeing how his art evolved trough out these tutorials, all the way from the "how to color anime skin" to now. Looking good tho. Also holding your pen lighter, more like a brush pen instead of a pencil, is healthier for your wrists
It’s also WAY better for you! I grip the pen really hard sometimes when I’m anxious and it has led to a repetitive strain injury. Clenching or pressing hard can add to tension in your joints and that was my mistake. I still draw but with a hand brace a lot of the time and I’m better at taking breaks and stretching.
I am so glad that somebody has said something about the zooming in for line art, for so long I would zoom all the way in for lineart and it took me so long to realize that it was making my art worse. Really wish I saw this video back then because it really does change so much
Oof as someone who is like really hard struggeling with lineart and actually thinking that I just dont do Lineart anymore this hurts. Even the "Clunky" Version as you described it looks way better than my best Linarts. I am just at the point where I just dont do Lineart anymore because I get so frustrated. But yeah I am also more a Painter than a Lineart person, and I enjoy the process of rendering my Illustrations with 3D Shapes.
everyone is at a different stage of their art journey and each with their own unique style. The longer you go and the more you do, the better you'll get~ Don't give up on doing them, or else, you won't improve QwQ Gl, fren
You don’t have to do line art if you hate it lol. It’s absolutely not a necessary step for every artist, if you wanna go down the route of coloured sketches or paintings that’s perfectly acceptable.
I seen pros use super sketchy messy lineart that still sells the merch. But I defo have went from super stiff thick vector lines to thin, crisper and cleaner lineart thanks to not pressing down lol. Doing one stroke at a time and the longer the stroke is what makes me tense up and do it thick. But I adjusted my horizontal tablet to vertical so it feels like I'm drawing on an easel and it's waaaaaaaay better that way for me. Also I have a wacom one but I'm not a beginner lmao
yeah I love sketchy lineart, the likes of tokyo ghoul looks so cool to me, but it needs to be a choice, not a limitation, it's important to know and be able to choose when and when not to add thicker or messier lines
Pros get away with sketchy lineart because their drawing is good. Drawing quality>line quality. If you have a good drawing any lineart will look good on it and vice versa best lineart in the world like idk you hired Scott Robertson to ink your drawing wont save a bad drawing anyway
i love that kind of manga style... i usually skip lineart because i hate it and feel like painting helps me visualize the piece in 3d space but what you do here adds a lot of dimension too even tho its just lines
i started doing this not too long ago and it helps so much!! my older art all had lineart that was thick without much variation and i couldn't figure out why it looked bad for so long, now i draw everything lightly first then go back and make the outlines thicker while keeping the inner details thin it takes much more time but it looks beautiful
I’m definitely guilty of bad Line-art. Which is why I’m focusing on learning quality skills. I’m tracking my progress on my channel, and you’ve definitely showed me I have a long way to go. Thanks for the tips!
It's probably cause I generally perfer cartoony styles, but I perfer the thicker lineart. The thinner lineart is good for a more realistic style (which I think is what he's going for). Good video 👍.
7:25 Someone gonna tell this guy that with CSP if he draws in vector he gets this neat tool called "redraw line thickness"? This message brought to you by "I can't do raster lineart worth a damn and use vector lineart as a crutch gang"
It looks MILES better now, just 1 tip: making the silhouette lines a bit thicker will give a special pop to that character, it really makes a difference!
Wow, the change from hard pressure to light pressure is really cool! It was hard to tell because I'm not a huuuge professional at art, but I could tell it was definitely noticeable I also didn't skip the promo, I really like drawing tablets, I think I'm gonna try to get one sometime soon
Honestly, I did think lines early in my digital art career, over time I jut started going thinner and made lines thicc when necessary, thicc lines for subtle details and thicc ones for certain borders and for dimensions in your art
Dude I guess you are going hard on yourself both line arts are top quality may god bless you for your helpful tutorial I wish I may get my line art as close as yours one day stay positive and enjoy your art journey
ngl, that blep + fangs at the start lookin' hella cute My bias really enjoys the early Miku's thicker lineart, but it's not as thick as stuff I would do I wish I could set up the program to prevent me from going past 100% zoom, I can only get it to stop the magnifier zooming, but scroll zooming still makes me go past it But I think I've gotten better at not zooming in way too much unless for small details
what's your opinion on using stabilization? do you think it's a good tool if you are not very comfortable doing confident strokes or does it make lines too much inorganic? i've heard a lot of different statements on this so i was curious
Since no one has replied to you yet I’ll just give you my opinion. I have my smoothness/stabilization at 16%. It’s just enough to smooth out any wonkyness but it doesn’t take away from my gesture. Experiment and see what you like. :)
Don't know whether you still would like a reply but I'm just gonna say one anyway. I use max stabilization (Procreate) and I find it helps me achieve the clean look I like with my art. It also removes all the wobbliness I have with my digital lines in comparison to my traditional. It all depends on the type of linework that you want to achieve though. I've heard of artists that don't even use linework, and instead just use a neatened sketch.
I wanted to ask if you guys know about vector layers in csp? Using them really helped with my lineart. You can do a ton of different stuff with them, but my favorite feature is the ability to thicken or thin out your lines AFTER you make them. You can also change the brush texture, and if you wanna make any adjustments, resizing won’t make anything blurry. The program will see it more as an object than a brush stroke. There are other things but they help a LOT and I’ve been using vector layers for my line art exclusively ever since I found this out. Given this video is all about line thickness and getting lineart to look dynamic and correct, I thought I’d mention it. Especially because being able to thin out lineart overall sounds like it would have helpd the problem you had. Even though you’ve figured out how to fix it, since many people still struggle with lineart I thought I’d just put this here
When drawing in black and white such manga etc. A thicker line can help to bring attention to the focal character as well.thinner lines are good for background elements that are not the focal point and adding the nice little details. When starting and drawing it's good to have a zoomed out full body dynamic sketch layout first using fluid light lines and shapes getting the feeling and gesture down then fleshing out the elements then zooming in when necessary.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO, THIS IS GREAT, i was also just figure this trick lately! If I can add one more thing is that "take your time", I figure that I unreasonably rushing with my lineart, all I need to calm down, steady hand and let the stabilizer do their work. Coming from panting basic, I always being too comfortable with rush big brushing instead light lineart, it end up making me "sculp" lineart from sketch instead do the actual clean line art. I applied this trick and my lineart indeed getting better
Since I was a kid ive pressed uppon the paper with my pencils as if I was trying to make a hole through the table, so Ive had the same problems with controlling lineweight on my tablet. I havent watched the video yet but I hope this helps me.
Good advice. Another/alternate solution to this (in clip studio paint), you can use a vector layer. You can then adjust line thickness after. Though, I personally don't think it entirely replaces learning to do it properly. But I do think this can be used an additional way to adjust things at a later point for even more refinement.
Whether you adjust the lines afterwards or make lines with different sizes doesnt matter. The outcome is indistinguishable. It is just a pixel value increasing and decreasing.
@@SilvyReacts You say you dont think that adjusting line thickness on a vector layer replaces learning to do it "properly". But there is no difference between doing the lineart manually or adjusting it on a vector layer. If i plan to have lines thicken at a certain point i can either press down harder with my pen or i adjust it on my vector layer. There is no difference at the end.
I think I actually prefer the sitting Miku lineart. It looks more confident to me, but then again, I've been told to work on my linart, so maybe I just don't have common sensibilities.
I don't agree with this idea. It depends on the art style. I have read a bunch of mangas and - despite being drawn with thick lines - the arts were beautiful anyway. This video is not useless, but I would say it's just "what you feel right for you and why you feel satisfied in drawing this lighter way, actually". I was used to drawing the thickest lines possible, but my drawing were not bad at all because I wanted them to look traditional, not clean. It's timeconsuming to master a style, and clean art is just one type a person can master. I do like it more than any other, but there's no point in saying it's the only way to create amazing art. Peace.
Tip: Use Vector layers in Clip to do your linework. You can use the vector shaping tool in order to thicken and thin lineart, as well as smooth it out to your preferences without constant redrawing. When I listened to the Storytime portion of this video, my entire body cringed hearing that you use to press hard on your tablet. Not only does this mean your pen pressure isn't optimized, but as digital artists, we have a bad habit of drawing with our wrist instead of our arm as traditional art. The arm gives us better control over our lines and hand control, and it helps prevent early onset of carpal tunnel and long-term tendonitis. I'm glad you realized the issue. It's always upsetting to see artists having long-term pain and relying on medication to get up the gumption to draw. One of my partners drew this way, for hours a daily for over 8 years, and now is unable to draw for more than an hour a day as a result of pressing hard and drawing with the wrist.
Working with direct view can make the draw faster, like traditional but working watching the monitor while your hand draws is harder until you master it. Yes that can differ in the precision of the lines.
I have a problem with my lineart looking too clean, like thin to thick to thin, too smooth, I feel like I need a brush that isn't the built in brush, but I can't find anything that works well thats free since I can't really afford anything rn. I feel like I need a rough brush for variation but I can't find one that looks good with my style
I was originally going to type, "but the Miku line art looks far better?" Then I imagined myself coloring it and immediately realized how obnoxious and annoying it would be to mask a line art this thick (as opposed to the second one) and I started laughing at just how stupid I'd been two minutes ago. Seriously, this is genius.
i mean i combine both, works perfectly for me though i am not picking sides but thinner line arts is very clean and the thicker line arts are generally ok if you do it right but i just like to combined them like there's a right spot of the thinnest lines and the thickest which in comparison makes the art itself whole .
another cool thing about lineart is that theres different approaches to doing it, like drawing it in a way where the thicker lines are where the darker shadows are. since the light is hitting at a particular angle. some artists use this kind of technique for their lineart which gives it a really nice result too. completely optional though, although it can help alot with character designs with detailed outfits (like armor for example) , since it lets you make each part look more distinct from each other so they dont clash with each other as easily
If your like me and have issues unconsciously pressing to hard, you can adjust the pressure curse of the stylus to be firmer. Might make it a bit easier
I personally do super thick, cartoony lines - however, the principle of what he's saying still holds true. Regardless of what style you're doing, it's always good to start out thinner and then make it thicker so it has a natural flow to it
I'm appreciative of people with the skills sharing their tips and tricks.. But I would love to see a shit artist applying them. Never seen a bad art youtuber growing and improving their art. There's something about going straight from a youtube video of a decent drawing to my dogshit art, it's the least motivational thing ever and I actually suspect it's been making my art worse bc now I'm hyper aware of how crap everything is, before I tried to improve my style I was kinda blissfully ignorant and drawing quite happily.
You should press lightly mainly to avoid injury in the first place. If you're not injured yet, then you probably will get injured, so start working on a light touch and look into massage/myofascial release and stretches.
In regards to the zoom-in problem, there's a setting you can toggle on or off to make it so that the brush size isn't effected by how far in you zoom. Unfortunately I don't remember exactly which one. I found it by accident one day and haven't successfully pinpointed it across each tool. Also, the size of the brush tip image marterial matters. I really love the real gpen and its brushtip, but the image material used for the brushtip is very small, so the brush is ugly and doesn't work well after a certain size. I recommend using brushes/tools with large and high-quality image materials because of this.
For anyone confused, always keep in mind an artist is giving tips on how they got to where they are on their path! SomeNormalArtist knows what he's talking about and is a great artist, but keep in mind there is never a best way to do anything! Try out what he's saying, or try a different method! A lot of these are good tips, but not all of them will work with every artist/art style! Don't be afraid to experiment though.
I never zoomed in too much but i followed your tip of not pressing too hard and it just shot my lineart skill level 2 levels higher holy- ?? Thank you so much for this, I finally feel patient and confident enough for more complex character designs because of this 😭😭💞
regardless of style its good technique to hold your pen more lightly. its better for your art and for your body. you can get any line weight using this technique, especially with digital art where you can adjust your pen pressure settings.
Another big thing for clean line art is the stabilization setting. I struggled for so long with getting the right curves, because I have very shaky hands for some reason. I literally can't hold them still. But a while back I was in a brush's properties and saw stabilization and it changed my world.
If anyone curious about why, this is actually based from the principles of design, a combination of emphasis, hierarchy, balance and rhythm (thickness on important part and thin on the less in order to show where to lead the eyes + ease the eye)
The real useful tip here is just to draw linework with confidence and use more of the range of motion of your pen. You don't have to necessarily draw with less pressure to archieve that, you can just use a different brush size or adjust the sensitivity curve of your pen. Not everyone feels comfortable drawing with very little pressure. Whether it's thick or thin lanes, those don't make the artwork cleaner or better, it comes down to personal preference and artistic expression, but using proper line weight does help.
Tracing other people's art is also a great way to learn! Even your own art is okay. Going over preexisting lines and trying to mimic the thickness will help a lot with precision and control. It's super frustrating at first but it's a way to improve quickly.
omg your line quality looks really really good, the demo at the end truly demonstrated that. look i dont wanna be that guy but can you please share the line brush? LOL. its so wispy and your pressure control is just sublime *chef kiss
Literally everything you said not to do is everything I was doing. I'm so glad I watched this video, I'll probably watch others but for now, I must thank you for making this!
Now learn weight direction. For example you can have the areas in light thinner than the the thick shadowed area. Or also you can use weight to show distance, thin for far and thick for close.
one thing that help too is to use a second screen to only see the canvas while using the primary screen to draw, you can see if everything is alright in an instant and modify something if it need changes without zooming out everytime. and before saying that anyone can't buy a second screen, EVERYONE at least has a cellphone and it can be used as a second screen, you only need to install an apk or use windows 10.
I'm literally the opposite. I don't like pressing hard because I feel like I might break my screen. So I tend to draw so light that many times the pen isn't even registered as an input.
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