@@Jzombi301 Ummm.... If you could explain how you think it makes sense that would help? I honestly can't imagine a scenario where this is a good plan, so I fresh viewpoint would be great. :)
@@LoganBluth well how else would you convince Cerci tyat the threat in the North is real and that its a bigger problem than anything else? she would never believe it if anyone told her
"you've been there for 30 seconds Cersei, calm the F down" Natalie forgetting that in this season 30 seconds is enough time to travel all around the seven kingdoms twice. 😁
"It seemed like they just wanted to finish the show, like they were really rushing it." Spot on take. The creators gave up, and screwed over the show and their fans in season 7 and 8.
Exactly , the fuckers wanted the job to direct star wars movie's , they didn't even have the decency to hand over the show to someone else who could have directed it better .
Totally fair opinion to not like the last seasons. Some do, some don't. But no one on that show was responsible for determining how many episodes the seasons got, and the only reason you even care about 7&8 is the 6 seasons of set up they had to pull together wrap up in just 13 episodes. Hundreds of people worked their asses off to make those episodes, and not one of them was deliberately trying to make anything but the best show they could. It's unfair and disrespectful to them to accuse them of giving up just because you didn't like the end result.
@@jeffkoenig7402 It's pretty clear all the blame for the show's shortcomings in the final two seasons falls squarely on Benioff and Weiss not anyone else.
@@jeffkoenig7402 Oh stop. Nobody's disrespecting the cast and crew, just the showrunners. Maybe you think fans should lie and pretend the way this series was brought to a conclusion was magical and satisfying just to avoid disrespecting the extensive work put in by hundreds of people ... but the reality is it was incredibly disappointing, and the disrespect is consistently directed specifically and exclusively at the people who controlled that destiny.
I loved that season bc of the memes - Jamie being an amazing swimmer for not drowning in water, fully armored and with one hand. - Gendry running so fast that he could have time to save the band. - Daenerys going mach speed from a weeks worth of travel in seconds without catching at least a cold. -The White Walker with the perfect throw. Greatness XD
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 yup! And Jon, and Dany, pre-family reunion. Then the North, and South. I suppose some sea ice could get them to Essos, but could he freeze it all the way down to the Summer Isles? That's a HUGE amount of energy to be removing from the water, even with magic. None of their gods have displayed anywhere near that kind of power, and the Night King needed a dragon just to melt a tiny bit of wall. I don't think he can do it. Like most zombie movies, get a boat and head for the tropics. What winter?
Dannys realization that John had wounds all over his chest from when he was killed and brought back to life ....the story that was brushed off when he was first introduced to her ..
Yeah and Cersei is like : "Well, I don't care about the Zombie Apocalypse, we don't have to do anything, our best bet is to let them kill each other" "Are you sure? It seems like they are hundred of thousands and if we don't help them..." "Nah it's fine I'm pregnant" And she actually was right lol
50km? You think that's how far they walked in less than a day? In the snow. At about minus 5 Celsius if that. No way they are more than 10 miles from the Wall at that point.
@@neilgriffiths6427 How long they walked really ? I don't remember. But 50 km seems reasonable, let's say they walked from 07:00 to 16:00, it means they walked at 5 km/ hour. EDIT : And to be honest even if its half, it's still stupid to send one of them run 25 km in the snow to send a message with a freaking raven and wait until someone cross several continents to find you, all of that while being attacked. Because if we are getting into speed and numbers, the dragons can't be faster than like 100 km/h, because Danny is hanging on it without any seat nor safety and just grabs whatever she can find, And the thing is like, moving a lot, flapping its wings and stuff. So how long it would take them to cross a continent and a sea ? Even if it was 1000 km which is around the size of a middle sized country like France, it would take her easily 10 hours
@@neilgriffiths6427 Do you know how ''cold'' - 5 celsius is? You don't even need a warm sweater for that. I think someone explained the distance of all of this and it doesn't really make sense with the time passed.
On top of what everyone else has mentioned, it's also really telling that Nat was like, "I'm surprised this character is still alive, I'm surprised that character is still alive" - because we've hit the point of the show where the established rules from prior seasons completely stop applying. While in previous seasons an infected wound kills Khal Drogo, a magic shadow kills Renly, and a thwarted marriage arrangement kills Robb, all the main characters are now allowed to make mistake after mistake, throw themselves into dangerous situations, and repeatedly get brought to the verge of death, only to miraculously survive despite all common sense. The generally "realistic" nature of death and mortality was one of the core, defining things that made GoT different from other fantasy stories, and the showrunners tossed it out during Battle of the Bastards and never looked back.
Hear hear. What was even the point of Jon going under in this episode? Just so we could be reminded of Benjin? Absolutely nothing happened BECAUSE of Jon's staying behind and almost dying. And don't even get me started on Bronn not getting burnt to death previously. NO sacrifice from saving Jaime from certain death, JUST so he could survive to accomplish absolutely nothing later.
There are plenty of "plot armor moments" montage videos and while characters do get some plot armor in early seasons (typically in accordance with the books, as in life, in low fantasy sometimes, very rarely, one does get lucky), BoB itself doubles the count of all previous instances combined. And from there it just keeps going up. Ultimately it gets so annoying that when some characters finally do die instead of shock or surprise the only reaction is "gee, finally!"
They tossed it out before BotB, when Arya was stabbed several times in the gut, had the knife twisted, jumped into a medieval city's sewer with open wounds, and was perfectly fine after some needlework and a good night's rest.
I honestly think that things like this are why GRRM hasn't finished the series. He wrote himself into a corner with the story subverting the fantasy tropes. It's difficult to see how the book series can end in a way that is both satisfying and sticks to that theming. The show tried, and sort of works, but is pretty messy.
Littlefinger :"Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend, every possible series of events is happening, all at once. Live that way, and nothing will surprise you. Everything that happens will be something that you’ve seen before." Sansa & Arya : "Yeah, we lied." Littlefinger: surprise Pikachu face
Thats one thing that always bothered me. Littlefinger of old would have gotten out of there before Arya trial just incase they double crossed him. I refuse to believe Littlefinger never accounted for two sisters who have been on good terms since their return would plot against him.
Everybody else read that in his voice too, right? Totally agree, the writers just had him standing around waiting for death because they didn't have time for his arc even though everyone, HBO included, begged them not to rush.
the real sad thing is that HBO was offering 10 seasons of 10 episodes and would even consider more than that if the series still did well but the two showrunners really didn't want to do it anymore
@@paulgibbons1366 yeh, HBO has clearly shown that they don't spend the biggest budgets on GOT. get real, it was all about the 200 million$ Netflix was offering to those 2 bumbling idiots. Disney did StarWars a favour by dropping those morons out of the new trilogy
@@bratsmovies17 All SW movies were cancelled after ROS even the new one Patty Jenkins that was announced at the year end Disney doesn't seem to be movinf forward at the moment.
@@atafakheri8659 There is no new trilogy ROS saw to that not what happened with GOT. Not a sufficient budget to keep a returning and long running show going no, it was not much more than S2 of Westworld $120m to $100m and that's why most shows don't go past their original 6 season orders.
And apparently he has the strength to throw that heavy spear fast enough to kill a f*cking dragon, but not the strength to kill a human girl when she jumps at him 🤷♀️
Nat: "I don't know how they're going to get one zombie away from the army of the dead." Ryan George: "Actually , it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
@Sean Coetzee Season 6 is when things started going downhill and you can tell things are being rushed. -They drastically started changing plotlines and killing characters off who are still alive in the books with major plotlines -You have things happening offscreen; you are constantly being told versus being shown (Blackfish/Waif/Tommen deaths/reactions) -Everything involving the Sandsnakes -Everything involving Euron -Everything involving the Waif And the list can go on.
@@megazerosaber Naah, they changed a lot from the books even from the beginning, remember Lady Catelyn Starks dead ghost whovh roamed in the books and stuff like that. The thing is despite all that Season 6 had plenty of great moments which overshadowed it's demerits, the Arthur vs Ned, Hodor, Battle of the Bastards, Just the final episode was soo good, hell, it is like the highest rated episode ever. But S7 is when stuff started happening and in a stupid way, that overlooking it's shortcomings became impossible.
This when I knew there was no hope for a return to good writing. They had announced that they could end this amazing series in like the remaining 10 episodes they had planned out and everyone went 🤨😑😑😑
@@riolkin They were offered a Star Wars project, tried to greenlit the alt-history stuff you're talking about and signed a deal with Netflix due to Thrones' success. Out of the three, only one moved forward, and even that is facing a shit ton of issues.
to be fair, "incest" was a lot more common in that time period anyway... lots of people would usually have family members get married, just to keep their wealth within the family. it wasn't the big taboo type of deal as seen from today's point of view.
@@chrismeulen8108 "in that time period" when, dude? That's a fictional world. And while marriages between close family members of the nobility were more common in the past, that usually doesn't goes well in the long run (House of Habsburg says hello).
@@vinnycordeiro What do you mean when...? Yes GoT is fiction but it is still based on a real time period...1400s Europe is what he is talking about. And yes incest was a thing back then.
@@MatiZ815 no. What happens just doesn't make any sense for her character. I hated her so when that.... Finally happened I wasn't even excited or satisfied or anything. It was way too rushed and threw all her character development out the window.
@@avg18 We can agree to disagree. Dany does and talks about what she will do in season 8 all the way back in season 5. Her S5 story and set of mind is pretty much the same as in S8, only on micro-scale.
@@MatiZ815 nope. The writers confirmed after season 6 that she was a good Targaryen. So they only planned it after season 6 You think she would burn innocents after her "mhysa" moment? That didn't make sense and just a disrespect to her character. This is coming from someone who hated her in the beginning. It's also funny how the things that we're supposed to drive her madness didn't make sense either. Such as Sansa's petty hatred for her. Tyrion being a idiot all of a sudden forgetting he was supposed to be smart. Jon disclosing her after she sacrificed everything for his cause. Raegal being no-scoped out of a corner that isn't possible when she was literally reminded about the ships just before they went to King's landing. Also the way that the dragon was shot three times after each other and not one missed. When in the next battle not one hits the dragon. And then leading to missandei being captured somehow which we conveniently didn't see,because there was no way to show it without it not making sense. All of these events are supposed to elevate her with anger. Again It doesn't make sense for her to burn the whole Kingdom like that. Character assassination at it's finest. That was also after she got what she wanted. She literally won.
@@paulgibbons1366 long as I live, I will never understand people who defend the last season. If you want to pretend winning some awards show categories somehow overruled all majority criticism, that’s certainly your right. I would say look no further than how this intellectual property went from widely discussed global cultural phenomenon to a borderline non entity. If you bring up stuff like the sopranos or breaking bad, people are happy to discuss them despite how many years have passed since they ended. You bring up game of thrones to your average person and they will pass on the topic or bring up their frustration with how it ended.
"Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie" Yup, burning Richard Stark, Strangling Brandon Stark, and calling for Jon Arryn to surrender Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark so he can execute them by burning them in Wildfire is no valid reason to rebel against the crown 🙃
I would've gladly waited 5+ years after season 5 (the end of the current most recent book) for GRRM to release the next book so the show writers had a clear path to follow.
I expect the show would never have concluded under those circumstances as I doubt GRRM will ever finish the books. It's been 10 years since A Dance With Dragons was released and he still hasn't finished writing Winds of Winter. Even if it comes out this year (highly unlikely), that rate of progress will take until 2040 for GRRM to finish the series - and I wouldn't bet on him living that long. I'm not expecting the books to ever be finished unless they bring in a writer as they did with Wheel of Time.
Its not even like the showrunners ran out of material. They removed the entire Dornish plot, they removed like 80% of the last 2 books. And lets pretend the showrunners actually did include all of the materials from the books but still was caught up. Then they could've simple had a break from thr main story. Could've done a season with the tales of Dunk and Egg
@@Ghilannugs I been saying this, To say they ran out of material is letting the show runners off the hook massively, The entire northern storyline was cutt off, It went from "the north remembers" to "the north forgot", it seems the manderlys were just ok with the red wedding in the show. Also aegon is non existent, same with the dornish shit
The way Natalie is roasting the plot the moment it got different from books - D&D messed up so clearly... All plot holes, time skips and characters basically teleporting between locations.
And yet, so many people in previous videos act like it's because "she listened to all the negative whiners" and not that she, yknow, just has enough active common sense to question the plot rather than just passively accept convenient plot events.
@@oz3505 Natalie has also clearly mentioned multiple times that she’s avoiding reading about the show, including her own comment sections on these videos. People who refuse to accept the blatant decline of the show will always be reaching for excuses or deflections.
@@Exlegion19 Season 5 really. The deviations from season 2 weren't that serious. I do wish we had fat Belwas and lady stoneheart though. Also don't know why they killed Grenn but if they didn't know what to do with his character, so be it
hey Nat, you should consider ‘Westworld’ after you’re done with GoT, considering that’s where HBO put all their $$ once GoT wrapped. I really think you would enjoy it: cinematography, actors, dialogue, themes & Ramin Djawadi being a literal maestro again 🤠🤖
“This ___ makes no sense.” Welcome to the back end of the show. Things really took a turn downward in terms of story, logic, realism etc. when GRRM stopped being a major part of the show after Season 4 and they ran out of released/detailed source material in Season 5
That’s actually not true. They didn’t even adapt half of books 4 and 5. They left out stuff like Aegon, Fake Arya, Doran Martells schemes, Lady Stoneheart, Northern Conspiracy, Eurons aspirations on becoming a „god“ and so much more. No one should blame GRRM. It would have been way easier to complete the story if D&D had followed the books truthfully
@@Flup2 the 3 first books were all covered in the small screen with 90% of its plot and subplots plus a few original tv show scenes and plotlines(such as the theon torture one, the nights watch plot in s4, arya with tywin in s2 and Ros the whore in s1), but suddenly its not feasible when it comes to season 5 onwards? lol, thats just an excuse because the showrunners where rushing to end the series.
"Oh, because he reach out to Bronn" See, that's the reaction the show writers want you to have without stopping to think about the questions it raises, like "Why is Bronn the mercenary still adhering to a clearly troubled cause, when his established characterization has him nope out of a very winnable duel with the Mountain" or *How did the person Cersei hates most on the planet successfully get word to Bronn he wanted a parlay?* Like, EVERYone in the capital would have been cheerfully eager to hand Tyrion over to the queen for a reward, and as Nat pointed out right before, he's kind of hard to not recognize. So how did he get to Bronn, to ask him to set up the meet with Jaime? Whom did he find to get a message to Bronn to ask him? What possible assurances could Bronn have communicated to Tyrion to make him come alone and within Cersei's castle? WHY did Tyrion come alone, putting himself entirely at the mercy of an unabashed mercenary who is clearly on in it for rewards, and abandoned him to a judicial murder rather than risk fighting Gregor? Because at this point in the game, NOT turning Tyrion over to Cersei is a good way to find yourself facing zombie-Gregor! Like, that goldcloak Gendry brains has a better grasp on the situation than Tyrion-the-genius or Bronn-who-only-cares-about-money. Also, Cersei's take on the meeting is that it's a good thing for them, and something their house and faction needs at the moment, but also Jaime is betraying Cersei by bringing this idea to her, and for attending a sit-down when he had no idea that's where he was going. Either the writers are complete idiots who don't remember what happened from one scene to the next (a possibility I would not rule out), or Cersei is completely detached from reality with insane perceptions, or she is so utterly deranged with paranoia that she sees threats and betrayals where none exist. EITHER of those conditions makes her someone Team Targaryen cannot do business with, because they can't have a reasonable conversation with her, or rely on her to uphold her end of the deal because she'll do one of her about-faces like she did during her embrace of Jaime. Which, in turn, makes the good guys look like idiots for trying to convince Cersei of anything or bothering to talk to her. In that context, I think the unspoken subtext of Tyrion's accusation that Jaime "made me look like a fool" is "and I do just fine looking foolish on my own, I certainly don't need you piling it on."
"This scene is all over the place so far." "It felt like they started to just rush through the show." Exactly. The last eps of S7 were the first time I really started to think that the writing quality was way down and events and conversations just weren't working. And then as you say, it felt like they just started to want to rush to the end rather than equally investing in the character moments that made seasons 1-4 so great.
I noticed it back in season 2 or 3, with replacing Jeyne with Talissa. Small change, but then they changed the Tysha confession from Jaime to Tyrion, so they straight up just fucked up Tyrions entire character in season 4 by omitting the very thing great makes him who he is. D&D were never good, we just all had on rose tinted glasses. It’s always been bad, the only reason it was ever good was because of GRRM’s source material.
I had noticed stuff being "off" earlier than this Ep. like the sand snakes storyline, but the fight where they catch the wraith bummed me out, I never looked at the series the same after that. It looks and feels like a scene from a different/low-effort show.
Have to once again give major kudos,props, a chef's kiss to the editor. Totally on point as usual and so funny. Everyone keep up the great work and stay safe.
When Benjen showed up to save Jon and refused to ride with him, my reaction was almost identical. Ok, double-mounting is slower, but you're still on a horse and they're not. Just go with him! XD
That moment when you realize that the maesters were right. The wall has always stood and every winter has ended. Trying to stop the white walkers is what brought down the wall. Without the dragon, the dead wouldn't have been able to pass the wall. The only dead that have passed were moved across by the living prior to the wall coming down.
Was it that, or was it the showrunners just decided to do something kinda dumb, and it resulted in the perception that they needed an undead dragon to get across the wall? I'm leaning towards bad writing...
@@EclecticMystic The writing at this point is utterly terrible but I won't be surprised if losing a dragon to the enemy also happens to be the enabling factor in the book original. As if the author were saying "so you got nuclear weapons? See, your opponent has them now too. How did you not see it coming?"
Kudos to all the AMAZING talent that went into the production of this series, even, if not especially, the final few seasons, but goddamn I'll never forgive the showrunners for their impatience and apathy after they ran out of material to adapt.
"I'll never forgive the showrunners for their impatience and apathy" It's OK. No one does. All we can do is appreciate the artists that did fantastic, unbelievable work (sound, costume, etc.) and try not to die of cardiac arrest from anger that all that work was for naught.
Indeed. So glad they got sacked by Lucasfilm for it. They just wanted to piss off and do Star Wars, now they'll struggle to get any franchise work. Could have had ten seasons if they wanted.
Even the writers couldn't give a reasonable explanation for Gendry getting the word to Daenerys so fast. The writing got so lazy and uninspired towards the end of the show.
writing was "lazy" in books and early seasons too. most the plans and events didn't make any sense from 1st. why did you notice them only in later seasons?
@who cares to take most obvious, how did robb maintain an army of thousands strong for months, when soldiers and their leaders, homes, families, children and castles were overrun by greyjoys, at less than at most a month's journey's distance from them. why did it take so long(over few months if not over a year ) for bran to reach wall from winterfell, and arya and hound from twins to vale when distance could be covered in few weeks at most walking.
@@sitting_nut In the books, didn't lord manderly feed the whole army? And in both cases for Arya and the hound, but especially for bran and his group, it was too dangerous to follow the normal roads since the realm was in war. There were bandits everywhere so following the beaten path was a no go. Bran and his group had to be extra extra careful since Bran was a cripple. Also, I'm not sure whether they stated how much time had passed in both cases in the books. I don't think it was a year for Bran, was maybe a month tops from what I can remember if even that. For Arya and the hound, it's unclear how long that took too since they stopped at some farmer's place for like a week. Book has hardly any inconsistencies to be honest
@@duanevp Whose men are standing behind him when he dies? Whose men captured Winterfell for the Starks, because the Stark army was defeated? 80% of Winterfell right now are Vale soldiers. It’s not magic, you can just say my roof therefore no consequences. That room is filled with Vale soldiers, who just stand there even though Robin Arryn (their lord who they serve) treats Littlefinger like his family. Everyone forgets there’s this thing called worldbuilding, where characters can’t just murder each other because that’s how wars start.
@@YourBlackLocal You mean, the men of the Vale of hear all about his duplicity in the death of the previous lord? And of Lyssa? Who tolerated him because of his influnce over Robyn that was just broken? That's why he is in trouble, he is up against someone who he can't hide anything from - all his tricks and deceits are laid bare giving him nowhere to run
Dumb and Dumber had been offered a Star Wars trilogy of their own, so season 7 & 8 are rushed, it shows most in the writing and characterisation (And the lighting. When it happens, you'll know) The change in cinematography was literally like an advert aimed at Lucas Film to show off what they'd do for Star Wars. Show fails so hard they lost the Star Wars Trilogy... No spoilers, more time like 2 normal season runs might have stretched it out and made the timing make more sense? The Little finger and another similar but later event are so out of character. I wanted to see him dead, but that's just not Littlefinger. They just wrote him into a corner and went with fan service. Such a shame, I have higher hopes for the prequel shows coming, those based on Martin's work like GOT 1-4 and 5ish
When I rewatch the last two seasons I just pretend I'm also watching all the fleshed out stuff that wasn't there that made things make sense. I have a whole template about how to get there and I just think 'okay, so now is where X happens, and that makes Y that comes next make sense'
Your production observations are very astute. You comments how the pace or how much time it takes characters to travel make sense. Your writing feedback is on point. That loss of the dragon was devastating.
I like how Bron and Jamie went into the water right in front of Drogon... and somehow came back up on what seemed like a different shore with not a dragon in sight 🤔
I like how Jaime somehow was able to swim and not just sink to death while wearing very heavy thick armour. Oh wait he had plot armour on too nevermind!
@@lolmao500 Nothing is set in stone currently. There will probably be a poll at the ned of October once she's done with Natmares 2 for the nest show to watch. A lot of people have recommended Avatar the Last Airbender which she is interested in but there's so many great shows
Love that "trial" scene with Littlefinger, the way it is set up and the audience (and Littlefinger) think Sansa was gonna turn on Arya. And when she goes "how do you answer Lord Baelish?" And the cut to him amd the change of expression on his face from "I've manipulated these events perfectly" to "wait what the f is happening"
Yes very theatrical. As if they knew they were making a television show. Very nudge-nudge wink-wink. This is part of the terrible writing. The original littlefinger would never have allowed himself to be put in this position.
How was that a good moment? It felt like something from a sitcom. What's the point of doing it like this? The only reason for doing it in this stupid way is what 30noir said: Make it look "good" on TV.
Things book Littlefinger would have done: - Point out that it's his word vs Sansa's, and with him dead she will conveniently control the knights of the Vale. - Comment on the absurdity of Brans testimony against him. Why does everybody suddenly believe he's this mystical three-eyed raven privy to every scrap of knowledge ever? - Where is the kings justice? No trial to defend himself? - Demand a trial by combat as a last resort.
If you ae still confused after the show is finished(after you've watched the last episode), there is a channel called Alt Shift X, which explains mostly the last 3 or 4 seasons, and does a recap of season 1-6 in 5 minutes in a quick-paced rhyme. He's quite good at telling the story, and he has video's on every main character in the books, and some situations/events described in the books, or mentioned in the show.
I love how Gendry's weapon of choice is a hammer. Aside from being a nice homage to his profession, it shows that he wishes he could've met his Father and made it to honor him.
Dragonstone Island isn't that far from Kings Landing, it's in the outer area of Blackwater Bay, so they could get there in less than a day by boat. Don't forget about Gendry who only had a little row boat the row away from Dragonstone.
If we follow book lore its a lot further away than that. Definitely not less than 3-4 days. It took two weeks for Stannis fleet to go a little longer distance, from Masseys Hook to Kings Landing. Still, its only a minor issue compared to the instant travel to the wall. You can say that time passed between scenes but its not true, as other things like Cerceis pregnancy and other plot lines still move at a much slower speed. Travelling to the wall by boat should 100% take more than a month, if you ever have travelled by sailboat you would guess it took even longer. Westeros is crazy tall.
Sansa was actually going to have Arya executed, it was only when she went to talk to Bran and he filled her in on the details that she was like "Oh" and then realizes Baelish = bad. There was a deleted scene where Sansa and Bran have the convo.
The mountain did unsheath his sword btw in that scene with Jamie. Sersei was threatening to give the order to have the mountain kill him, and Jamie said “I don’t believe u”, and walked out. And sersei didn’t give the order to kill him.
I love watching this and seeing the same sweater all the way through, just knowing that you binged half a season on camera just for us 🥰 hahahhaha you're too awesome, girl.
I still think the only thing that could have made the whole “Jon is left behind” scenario work is if Rhaegal had gone back for him. Then everyone - Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Varys - could have been wondering why the dragons favor Jon, leading into the big reveal about his parentage. It was a missed opportunity.
@@herloss448 He rode a dragon. In book lore, that means he has whatever dragon magic any of the Targs have. It never made sense that the show just had it happen like it was just another day. Tyrian, Varys, Arya, etc., should have suspected something as soon as they saw Jon ride. Dragons burned and/or ate anyone without Targ blood who tried to ride them. (Though there was one instance of a peasant girl who tamed a dragon. But she didn't know who her father/parents(?) were, soooo...) (But, also in the books, I don't think the dragon riders could have passengers. And Dany was only immune to fire during the hatching ritual, not all the time.) Very interested to see how Fire and Blood treat the Dragon Lore, since several characters with Targ blood will be dragon riders.
@@jcompton8507 and dragons also doesnt give af if u are a targ or not .u hurt their rider they'd eat u alive .dont think jon has targ magic at all cuz he got burnt in the first season also targs dont get sick or cold i think cuz the fire inside them is too hot .jon is like viserys not a dragon like dany or raegal
@@herloss448 Sigh... I've been a fan of the books since 2004. The show barely explained anything and got very inconsistent towards the end. I'm going to go by the books and by GRRM's interviews. But you do you.
In the last couple seasons of GoT, characters teleport around Westeros like me finally using the fast travel feature in Skyrim after stubbornly walking everywhere for the first 40 hours of the game.
Found your channel last month as I went through a big family loss and watching your reactions along with a few other channels have really took my mind of things for a little bit of time at least. Thank you for the great vids. Btw. "Targaryen family reunion" really got me laughing!
When Benjen saved Bran and Meera from the wights, he explained to them about how the Wall was made with old magic, and it was impossible for him to pass through the gate. I always took him telling Jon "There's no time." was him just saying there wasn't enough time for him to explain why he couldn't come.
He could have come away from the wights. It was just dumb drama for drama's sake. The show is completely taking its audience for retards at this point.
As far as anything regarding Benjen behind the wall makes sense (he was just a deus ex machina, appearing and disappearing when the writers needed characters to suddenly have support behind the wall at the point where they'd written all the living out of the area), his actions in this scene were just fine, I agree. My problem is that this scene should never have happened. Jon staying behind and falling to drown in the water had ABSOLUTELY no meaning to the story. If it was necessary for him to be wounded in the end when Dany went to him, he could've been wounded in the battle and gotten carried to fly off with the crew.
@@lassesipila6418 Jon falling into the watter was needed to make idiots go "ooooh" and "aaah" in reaction videos. That's the whole point of the thing at this stage.
"Jon, you don't have time to look all cinematic and dramatic!" Natalie has just singled out the showrunners' focus that yielded so many horrible storylines: highlighting actors emoting over good characterization and good plot. Check out The Dragon Demands' YT channel for more critique of the series and its downward spiral.
To be honest, The Dragon Demands is a joke of the channel. At some point, people just need to move on. His videos are just way too excessive. D&D ran out of source material, didn't know what they were doing, and produced poor scripts. The series wasn't always bad, it just flailed near the end. He is like MauLer with his insanely long, overly-pedantic 'critiques' trying to expose all of the mistakes the writers made, and it's just unnecessary.
@@ldougherty1572 I'll grant that he gets pretty repetitive with his videos, hitting the same points over and over. But he's not wrong about the hatchet job D&D did to the series. There's a lot I was unaware of regarding the manner in which the series was greenlit and these two schmoes were given the reins, so whatever you may think of Dragon's obsessive reporting, he's providing a service.
@@ldougherty1572 Shitting on the showrunners is very necessary. I get my life force from Supercuts Delight's videos. "The series wasn't always bad" Uuuh, it was the best television ever made for the first four seasons, on par with Breaking Bad. They absolutely butchered it in a way no-one else could. Those type of videos are educational, they're funny, bittersweet because of what could've been, how great the show SHOULD'VE been till the end. And most importantly of all the videos are copium.
@@R3neeXD I agree that it was the best TV show for the first four seasons, and up there for 5 and 6 (with two of the best TV episodes ever made at the end of 6). The Dragon Demands and his r/Freefolk friends like to try to be revisionist and say that the show has sucked since S3 to shit on D&D as much as possible. At a certain point, you just have to let go.
@@olivera6743 The whole King's entourage get back in an episode, Tyrion goes to the wall back down to winterfell and to the crossroad tavern in 2 eps... we haven't got past ep 4 at this point shall i go on... its always happened not just on this show it's also called narrative drive a the one thing GRRM lacks you just can't have your plot drag along at a snails pace year after year.
The trajectory of the series is reflected in the Dan & Dave behind the scenes videos - the early ones were fascinating, but by season 7 I was increasingly thinking "What are you talking about? That doesn't make sense". And in season 8 I progressed to "Nonsense" (I sanitised that).
Yep... Everything had to happen lightning fast in the last two seasons because Benioff and Weiss knew they were in over their heads and wanted to move on to other things. So every character gained the ability to teleport anywhere in the world as necessary, characters made choices that only made sense for the purpose of driving the plot forward, and story arcs that had been set up over the course of the entire series got resolved in the most superficial ways, if they were resolved at all.
the walls magic fell because of lazy writing in a rush to come to a final shortened series run cause the showrunners were promised some movie series [that got cancelled before pre production] a lot of the speed, time hopping, crazy distance leaping and other character arc inconsistency comes from their desire to end it sooner [HBO had offered them additional episodes and seasons and they turned it down, the showrunners]
The thing I really enjoy from littlefinger’s death scene is that there’s not much of a vengeful tone to it. This is painful to her, but it’s what she needs to do, it’s her responsibility to her family. If you close in on her face when she stands up, you'll see a noticeable tear streaming down, which is in contrast to the firm tone of her voice. It's those subtle things. Here is finally a decision maker who is not acting on impulse, pride, hatred or love. That memorable line, "it’s not what I want, it’s what honor demands”. She is already leaps ahead of all the monarchs and wannabe monarchs.
I don't know if you're gonna put a poll here on RU-vid, but I'd recommend reacting to Derry Girls (it's on Netflix, and it only has 12 episodes) or Westworld (HBO, like GoT and it's excellent in every aspect). I guess you're going to do more Marvel/MCU shows in the future, but I'll still recommend Agents of SHIELD (it's not 100% tied to the MCU after the second season if I'm not wrong, but it's a good show as well, plus there's cameos from MCU characters every once in a while). Or maybe you could react to The Morning Show, I haven't seen anyone react to it yet (season 1 is so good). Or Buffy. It's a classic.
I really like Agents of Shield, especially the first couple of seasons, and the last one's pretty good too. I just love all the characters! I wish the movies had respected the show's canon or at least communicated with the show-runners so the show could stay in canon with the movies, but I agree, definitely worth the watch!
I love watching your reviews on the show, I’ve been finishing a season and then coming here to see your reaction to what happens. It’s amazing to see your points within the show :)
For me the ending wasn't the worst part. Episode 4 was where it got really terrible for me. I know how to fix it though, I made up a whole extra load of plot details to get to the ending and changed some others. Plus I changed who the final ruler was.
Bran: "I can't be king. I'm the three-eyed raven" Sam: "But you're still going to come to my birthday party, right?" Bran: "No. I can't go to birthday parties. I'm the three eyed raven" Jon: "But you can still help with writing messages, right?" Bran: "No. I can't help with messages. I'm the three-eyed raven" Sansa: "Is there anything you can do?" Bran: "Yes. I can be the three-eyed raven."
The Good Place should be your next series. A great show and one of the few that have an actual perfect ending. 13ish episodes per season, 30 minute episodes, and only four seasons. Great twists, great messages, great comedy.
It's amazing seeing Nat watch this with fresh eyes and a fresh perspective but still picking up on all the things so many people were upset about in the later seasons when the show was still on air. Like the writers just rushing to get to the end because they didn't wan to do the show anymore. Cheers, love.
Ned in Winterfell was suddenly in King's Landing the next episode in season 1. People moaning about "teleportation" of certain characters but its literally something thats been happening since the start. Re-watching this series with her reaction has reminded me of that.
I don't know if it was a bluff, maybe she really thought she had the coldness of heart by now to kill Jaime, but when push came to shove, just didn't find it in her to give the final command.
the way you described the season around 38:00 was exactly how I felt about this season and the last one. felt so rushed when they could have put in so much more story. I think they production costs made hbo speed the story along.
It’s just crazy how fast stuff is moving” You are not the first to note that the characters acquired to ability of teleport and that distances that took weeks to cover in earlier seasons are now being covered in hours.
The good thing about how dissatisfying the last season and ending of Game of Thrones was, is it means other edgy endings of TV shows like Battlestar Galactica and Lost that used to annoy, now feel great in comparison.
Absolutely. Lol I binged Babylon 5 earlier this year, and that ending was LoTR level craft, with multiple endings for multiple arcs and characters. Took like, 6 episodes to end it. They were drawn out and over dramatic and it was everything i wanted and more. 😂😍
18:13 "it's really convenient that they're all going one by one" I think that's what they learned from the rock. They saw many of their companions fall through the ice so they stopped, then when they saw a light weight object on the ice without breaking it, they thought to go one at a time. If they rushed to the island, the ice probably ly would've cracked again.
