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Prior to touchdown, the Airbus A320 operating as Iberia Flight 1456 encounters a microburst-induced wind shear which pushes the nose down. The pilots attempt to raise the nose, but the aircraft fails to respond and slams into the runway. Find out what really happened.
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@RebeccaMundschenk
@RebeccaMundschenk Год назад
I love a good "everyone survived" video.
@jokers7890
@jokers7890 Год назад
There was one casualty, the footlong meatball sub passenger #55 consumed before taking off.
@franciscopino7552
@franciscopino7552 Год назад
@Rebecca, we all are very happy to know that you love that and you dont love the idea of killing everybody.
@wertrocks123
@wertrocks123 Год назад
@@jokers7890 Not sure they eat meatball subs in Spain...
@davidjoseph7142
@davidjoseph7142 Год назад
I agree! I’ve been watching a lot of theses types of videos from multiple channels lately and have gotten really sick of the sad ones so now I mostly only click on titles that clue me in that it won’t be another sad one.
@ARedMotorcycle
@ARedMotorcycle Год назад
@Rebecca Mundschenk Wow, you're such a noble soul. 😆
@danpatterson8009
@danpatterson8009 Год назад
Another case of a blind spot in software design, just fortunate this one didn't kill anyone. At the same time, on a bouncy approach with wind shear and a trainee in the right seat, the captain should have called "my aircraft" and pushed the button for sole control through the side stick. But then the software flaw might have remained undetected and caused a fatal accident on some other flight. Heckuva way to do beta testing.
@Barflax
@Barflax Год назад
Yup should be called out by the captain, this is a thing that could ending bad.
@larrybe2900
@larrybe2900 Год назад
Yes it's quite the joy ride for an approach like this one. I don't know what level of simulator training was in operation at the time or if training was to let the new pilot OJT which the pilot was letting the newbie take it in himself. Then again, when that wind shear impacted the plane I doubt the pilot had many options either. I have watched some planes land in windy conditions and can imagine the finesse required to make a reasonably good landing. That touch comes from experience that had to begin sometime.
@W8RIT1
@W8RIT1 Год назад
Yes, agreed...should have had more testing in more scenarios to see what might happen in real life. Test ALL possibilities...quite often you can't just pull over and fix the problem. I have a friend who designs video games, and has said that after awhile it isn't fun...it's work, as he replays many various game play situations at every point. There he can go back and do it all over without harming anyone if he makes a mistake or doesn't catch a design flaw in the software.
@Naoki09
@Naoki09 Год назад
It's never okay for dual input in any airliner, but the problem is a lot worse in the Airbus because you can't actually see or feel what the other person is doing, you just get the "Dual input" audio cue, it leads to a ton of confusion. Really bad practice by this check airman.
@MrGyngve
@MrGyngve Год назад
@@Naoki09 Just like Air France 447, where the relief pilot was pulling back like crazy and stalling the airplane, while the FO sitting in the captain seat pushed forward. It really is a bad design for critical situations with high stress.
@aadr
@aadr Год назад
This incident could have been avoided with four words: CA: "My plane." FO: "Your plane."
@vocs75
@vocs75 Год назад
This was my first thought. I mean it's great they found a potentially fatal bug without more serious consequences but the whole purpose of "my plane" is so that there is exactly one person in charge so you don't have two individual minds just doing what they think at the moment.
@tylerdurden3155
@tylerdurden3155 Год назад
@@vocs75 Not potentially fatal, it is fatal, same thing happened to Air France 447, its not the first time Airbus controls or lack of communication has caused this, and probably wont be the last. this is a simplified cause for 447 there were much more issues.
@reshpeck
@reshpeck Год назад
Both pilots did the same thing. The plane overrode their coordinated input. Had it not, the plane would have flared and the accident averted. It wouldn't have mattered if only one pilot was pulling on the sidestick; the input was incorrectly deemed unsafe by the logic software and was later fixed.
@xrey83
@xrey83 Год назад
Probably habit as a CFI or a PIC who will make inputs thinking he/she needs to correct input of a student or a co-pilot.
@billp4
@billp4 Год назад
Ya got to wonder about some of the pilots, and not just this one
@rickkearn7100
@rickkearn7100 Год назад
I'll never forget watching that inaugural Airbus flight in France, lo, so many years ago, where the plane flew into terrain after takeoff. Chilling and prescient.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
Which was all pilot error
@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136
Pilot error? He tried to go around and the plane said “no”. How about letting the AC do what it is told to do? Simplifies everything.
@Sicklehead88
@Sicklehead88 Год назад
@@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136 that's just wrong. The incident has been investiagted thoroughly and analyzed loads of times. The plane not giving him more angle of attack actually was the reason why the crash resulted in "just" 3 death, which all occured after the impact. If the plane had given the pilot the angle of attack he commanded, it would have stalled and crashed much harder. The crash was pilot error, because they shouldn't have ended up in the situation that they were in just before the crash. Simplification is good. But you simplified way too much here and in the end drew the wrong conclusion.
@JasonFlorida
@JasonFlorida Год назад
I have been a subscriber almost since the beginning and I am extremely happy and impressed with the level of quality you have made this channel! Great work! You give great information, visuals, in the perfect amount of time! 10/10!!! Thank you so much! Keep up the excellent work!
@W8RIT1
@W8RIT1 Год назад
Yes, entertaining (but with somber thoughts to those who have suffered or died), and also informative. I also view this as a sign and remembrance in my daily work to be attentive and catch mistakes before it costs a person their life as it pertains to fire alarm systems. I particularly found it very close when I saw another video on this channel from a plane that crashed due to a intermittent break of a single solder point on a circuit board. Everyone kept rebooting the computer to temporarily alleviate the problem but found no cure...and then the pilot tired of rebooting so he turned off the circuit breaker; which also disabled other controls.
@emerald39
@emerald39 Год назад
Title is misleading clickbait in this video however
@MrPaxio
@MrPaxio Год назад
with this many views, he can def afford a narrator. kinda boring to stare at msfs gameplay + random text above which is mostly just specifications nothing of story value
@metalgearsolidsnake6978
@metalgearsolidsnake6978 Год назад
spiderman< Airbus crap!
@maxnex7676
@maxnex7676 Год назад
No mention why the Captain took partial command without saying anything to the co-pilot.
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 Год назад
Without voice recordings, we don't know the captain didn't say anything.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Год назад
I'm certain the investigating authorities pulled the voice recorder and data recorder. This ia serious incident with injuries and damage to the aircraft.
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 Год назад
@@slartybarfastb3648 oh I'm certain of that too. But this video doesn't bring up the CVR, nor says anything about the CVR having been heard and whether something out of the ordinary was found, so based on this video alone, we cannot know for sure.
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 Год назад
@QUAD849 based on the video alone, neither you nor I know for sure what the captain and copilot did or did not talk. I'm sure if you go to the trouble of reading the official report, then you'll know.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Год назад
@@Mephisto707 Yeah, this video leaves quite a few questions unanswered.
@margeebechyne8642
@margeebechyne8642 Год назад
Incredible! So very glad everyone survived! I don't understand why they didn't fault the captain for interfering with the first officer. He should have allowed him to fly it, or said I'm taking over. I'm surprised something worse didn't happen with such conflicting information coming from both pilots. Thank you for another great presentation.
@mmodnao
@mmodnao Год назад
Agreed. You’re in charge of you’re not. Bad decisions made by the captain as far as I am concerned.
@metalgearsolidsnake6978
@metalgearsolidsnake6978 Год назад
spiderman< Airbus crap!
@simontabony
@simontabony Год назад
I wouldn't say the plane tried to killed everyone. It did what it was designed to do and both pilots acting independently of one another confused the hell out it.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
An idiot will find his way around all safeguards. These two pilots were the idiots.
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@simontabony The engineers really didn't see the possibility of both pilots accidentally contradicting each other with the joy sticks? That's why computerized flight can be very dangerous.
@RaY_77W
@RaY_77W Год назад
@@watershed44 that’s why the good old 737 is safer in my eyes, and no I can add the max to this opinion since they ironed out the old MurderCAS system. The max is probably the safest commercial bird in the sky today. So much international scrutiny
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@@larryp6671 Again even so, the software should have had a safety interlock to force one pilot to actually take control before proceeding. That is a software design flaw.
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@@RaY_77W And of course the only reason why the 737Max had issues was because of new software controlled flight aids MCAS that the pilots didn't know about.
@blackscotydog
@blackscotydog Год назад
Even with all of our flaws I would still rather have a Human pilot 100% in charge.
@LoaThunder
@LoaThunder Год назад
Especially since there are 2 in the cockpit
@fibecheee
@fibecheee Год назад
Commit Max 8 pre-updated MCAS
@Tindometari
@Tindometari Год назад
Yep, humans who will pay the same price for piloting errors that the passengers will. And know it.
@ExSkyCyclePilot
@ExSkyCyclePilot Год назад
Believe me when I say that human error will cause, and has caused, exponentially more crashes than electronic flight control systems ever will. The fact that, mile for mile, commercial aviation is by far the safest form of transportation on the planet is largely due to EFCS. In fact, this crash was partly caused by human error - the PIC didn't press and hold his priority button as he should have.
@LoaThunder
@LoaThunder Год назад
@@ExSkyCyclePilot I hardly disagree, many near crashes or save landings were too situational or complicated to be handled by a computer. It is literally impossible to program every situation into a computer.
@renferal5290
@renferal5290 Год назад
I misread the title as Pilot tried to murder everyone, LOL Very well done video. I always look forward to your uploads.
@cbuchner1
@cbuchner1 Год назад
Sadly enough, documented cases of pilots murdering everyone exist…
@ruwansri6544
@ruwansri6544 Год назад
The demonstration is incredible. You have put your efforts at your best. The level of detailed accuracy - 10 out of 10!! It's more than just a video, it's a short film. Keep up with it#
@karenhoward6712
@karenhoward6712 Год назад
Another excellent video, TFC! Y’all are the best flight channel out there!!
@maudessen573
@maudessen573 Год назад
Wow, TFC! This is a terrific video…best ever. Thank you for including such clear technical explanations.
@cindytartt4048
@cindytartt4048 Год назад
It is incredibly professional isn’t it? Every time I receive a flight channel notification I’m very excited…. They do a superb job of explaining complex processes to someone like myself who isn’t scientifically trained (rather, musically oriented).
@fabmyride5181
@fabmyride5181 Год назад
The primary cause of the accident is the double input of the pilots without communicating.
@kimmuckenfuss2284
@kimmuckenfuss2284 Год назад
Yes, & it just doesn't make sense to me why the captain would try & control the plane without telling the co-pilot. I know because of the windshear the attempted landing was very difficult, but because no one said anything, this is why this happened. Smh.
@reshpeck
@reshpeck Год назад
So many commenter are saying the same thing and you are all wrong. They both pulled on the sidestick. That action was deemed unsafe and overridden by the software. It wouldn't have mattered had only one pilot been pulling on the sidestick. You know how I know this? Because I watched the same video you just watched. It was all explained quite clearly.
@markhayes789
@markhayes789 Год назад
@@reshpeck 10:36
@Novusod
@Novusod Год назад
Basically pilot error.
@papaboi9983
@papaboi9983 Год назад
@@kimmuckenfuss2284 lol bro be realistic no matter how trained u r ur survival instincts kick in during near death situations
@frasermitchell9183
@frasermitchell9183 Год назад
As soon as I saw the title of this video, I knew it would be about an Airbus aircraft. I suspect that HAL, the computer in 2000 A Space Odessey was actually an earlier version of the computers installed in Airbus aircraft.
@patmx5
@patmx5 Год назад
I’m sorry, Dave - I can’t let you flare the plane at 100 feet off the ground. No, you can’t go around, either.
@TheRatlord74
@TheRatlord74 Год назад
if the trainee was landing then the captain holds some resposabilty surely? if he wasn't undermining the trainee then the situation probably wouldn't have occured or at least would have been less dramatic.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
If only there had been a button on the sidestick to give the pilot monitoring the full control he needed, eh?............ Oh, hold on.........
@nicknico4121
@nicknico4121 Год назад
OMG this was so well explained even with all the complexity of the situation.
@W8RIT1
@W8RIT1 Год назад
Nice that even non-aviators like myself can understand a bit better.
@cindytartt4048
@cindytartt4048 Год назад
Yup, that’s our flight channel!
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis Год назад
Explained? I never heard a word of it. Maybe on the 7th channel of my 5.1 set?
@nicknico4121
@nicknico4121 Год назад
@@mjouwbuis since when an explanation is only done in audio? Go back to bed clown.
@Gemmalady
@Gemmalady Год назад
Love your content. You always explain things so well. Additionally, when the incidents you cover are at night, you’re able to keep the screen well-lit. I especially like how you show actual conditions but then remove them so that the viewer can see what’s going on (hope that made sense to you). ❤
@mdavid1955
@mdavid1955 Год назад
Isn't the real culprit the flight crew? Both trying to fly the aircraft simultaneously.
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis Год назад
An accident never has a single cause. It can debated which was the main factor and which was the contributing factor. Airbus effectively ended that debate by patching one of those in its software.
@longtime239
@longtime239 Год назад
Another Fantastic recreation. Your production has gone a long way since you started. Also 👍on ur Digital resolution only keeps getting better. Pls keep up the Quality videos
@donnafromnyc
@donnafromnyc Год назад
Lack of comms between the two pilots. The trainee F/O needed to formally turn over control of the aircraft to the captain who would then acknowledge it. Also they really were not well trained on the differences in responses between wire and hydraulic controls.
@rmd4209
@rmd4209 Год назад
My conclusion from this accident apart from the technical aspect is also due to the human performance and lack of Crew Resource Management (CRM) in the cockpit. Very good video. Keep it up!! 😍😍😍
@WayneM1961
@WayneM1961 Год назад
The departing airport wasn't the only thing called "El Prat" the captain was a complete prat as well. If he wasn't happy at the way the approach was going all he had to say to the co-pilot was "I have control" or at least hold the red button in I think it's for 20 seconds and priority is, then given to his controller. Even with aircraft telling them "duel input" the captain still didn't grasp the situation. Did the plane try to kill them? No, the Captain made a damn good job of it himself. So, Airbus altered a few parameters ok, perhaps they were needed, but for Heavan's sake.
@riverwildcat1
@riverwildcat1 Год назад
The Captain must shoulder the blame for attempted "murder" if you're really serious. When the weather shifted, the Captain should immediately have announced he was in command and switched off the co-pilot's stick. Then immediately announce a "go round"; full throttle, nose up, landing gear and flaps remain down. If the plane isn't a conscious entity, it can't bear responsibility for anoyone's death.
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis Год назад
Yeah, no. An accident is never caused by just one factor / mistake. It can be debated which was the main and which was the contributing. Also, in aviation blame isn't usually assigned, only problems identified and solved.
@riverwildcat1
@riverwildcat1 Год назад
@@mjouwbuis Something not mentioned is the presence of the ground altitude monitor that calls out, “Terrain! Terrain!….” when the plane is in danger of striking the ground. The fly by wire system allows the captain to switch off the stick being used by the first officer. He need not fight for control and incapacitate him.
@toupac3195
@toupac3195 Год назад
Fly by wire is fantastic... but we all know experienced pilots can ignore procedures (priority button) in heated situations.
@flybywire5866
@flybywire5866 Год назад
Thank you🤗
@johningram9081
@johningram9081 Год назад
Great video and explanation as usual. Keep up the great work.
@omarhamid3638
@omarhamid3638 Год назад
Glad to see all survived! Excellent video with attention to detail on the scenery being second to none! Very impressive. Simple communication here could have avoided a whole lot of trouble but glad to see lessons were learned and hopefully for the flight crew too 👍
@jamesstuart3346
@jamesstuart3346 Год назад
Welcome to another episode of "Battle of the Airbus Joysticks"
@DiceDemon
@DiceDemon Год назад
Here here!
@horrortackleharry
@horrortackleharry Год назад
Maybe the Captain's stick inputs were subconscious reflex actions rather than conscious & deliberate?
@mrichards55
@mrichards55 Год назад
Those magic words are music to my ears and bring hope to mankind and the future of air travel….. “Everyone Survived”
@omarimack194
@omarimack194 Год назад
That’s not the plane’s fault, that was poor CRM with a little bit of bad weather. The captain should have taken over in a situation like that in my opinion.
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
& put the experienced co pilot in the right seat. The trainee can watch and learn. Something tells me that the pilot got racked over the coals for his performance by his employer.
@Dentiera
@Dentiera Год назад
Well... to be fair, the pilots were very much accomplices in trying to murder everyone, it wasn't all the plane's fault.
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
Pilots should ALWAYS have over ride capability of the plane's computer (in my opinion).
@flybywire5866
@flybywire5866 Год назад
To me thats not the fault of the plane, but two pilot simultaneously controlling the aircraft, which they never should have done. The warnings about dual input were ignored. If i did understand the explanation, had that button on the stick be pressed, only one pilots input would have controlled the plane and the crash would not have happened.
@michaelleduc5328
@michaelleduc5328 Год назад
One more comment, I don't watch anyone else, but both both of you, your both very good, it must take take you guys, a lot of work to this, well done an informative. Michael
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 Год назад
Another great Flight Channel video. I noticed that in the two newst (to me) videos, you show people which is a nice added touch of realism. So glad to see that everyone survived!
@cbuchner1
@cbuchner1 Год назад
The original software design didn’t factor in human factors. How likely is it that in a near-crash situation both pilots will instinctively make similar control inputs? Very.
@williammalone8097
@williammalone8097 Год назад
Seems to me if the pilot would have kept his hands off the stick and let the co-pilot fly, they would have been fine.
@nbtoppers2
@nbtoppers2 Год назад
Love the details of each video! Such a great channel
@SLR_6
@SLR_6 Год назад
Love your videos @Theflightchannel for your next video, can it be the near miss at JFK that happened a couple of days ago.
@hachimaru295
@hachimaru295 Год назад
Besides not using the overide button what happend to the captain useually giving the verbal confirmation "I got it"
@ThiviruthepilotAviation
@ThiviruthepilotAviation Год назад
I agreed with you 💯 👌
@franciscoondonoalcaineondo1283
Bilbao airport is one of the airports where it is most difficult to land in Spain, due to cross-wind problems and turbulence caused by its proximity to the sea and the mountains that surround it. Nice video.
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
The right place for a new trainee to learn how to land? The captain should have known the problem that the lack of joystick coordination presents.
@thomschoemaker4667
@thomschoemaker4667 Год назад
could you please make a video about el al flight 1862 , the bijlmer disaster i would love too see that one
@jillybean2038
@jillybean2038 Год назад
What a fantastic channel this is. I know nothing about how planes function, but you give such good education on the subject. Don't test me later though.😆 I so admire the skills and calmness in these pilots. They are amazing and deserve a medal for every safe landing. I always want to applaud them at the end of every flight I'm on. 😄
@StevenMelching
@StevenMelching Год назад
As my stepfather likes to say, "If it ain't Boeing, I'm not goin'!" lol
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
Been reversed quite a lot since the 737 Max
@yiuqwfj
@yiuqwfj Год назад
Very informative. You are truly an aviation expert.
@jorgeporcar8208
@jorgeporcar8208 Год назад
It's a great video, as usual. Only a thing, the terminal 1 of Barcelona that appears at the beginning of the video was inaugurated in 2009, In 2001 all flights boarded from the today terminal 2.
@DR-fl3oo
@DR-fl3oo Год назад
As someone who designed software (non-critical) for over 30 years I can't imagine sitting in a requirements review meeting and having everybody nod in agreement that it was a good idea to algebraically sum up the input from both controls.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
How would you do it then?
@lancethrustwell3704
@lancethrustwell3704 Год назад
YES! I don't understand that decision either. I would think that taking the average of the two inputs would be the strategy least likely to crash the aircraft and give the pilots time to figure out which one is flying the thing.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
@@lancethrustwell3704 that makes no sense. If they were averaged then one sidestick to the left and one in the neutral position will make the aircraft respond like the aircraft is only turning half of one sidestick input. And one forward one backwards sidestick will still result in a neutral position registered by the EFCS
@lancethrustwell3704
@lancethrustwell3704 Год назад
@@tomstravels520 I meant that they would be averaged only when both pilots are using the side stick at the same time. So if one stick is 1/3 left and the other is 2/3 left wouldn't it be better for the plane to turn half left (the average) rather than full left (the sum), which is more than either pilot is expecting? I'm not a pilot, so don't really know what I'm talking about. But I've watched like 200 of these crash videos and I don't remember any of them where the situation would have been improved by the plane turning hard left when both pilots only wanted it to go a little left.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
@@lancethrustwell3704 both pilots shouldn’t be operating the sidestick at the same time in the first place. Why the captain was moving his stick when he wasn’t PF we don’t know but he should have kept his hand on the stick and not moved it or announced “I have control” and made sure the right seat let go
@ursusthewhite9824
@ursusthewhite9824 Год назад
"I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you." HAL 9000 acting as the Airbus
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@ursustherwhite9824 Bingo! AI or even just computer logic isn't good enough to be in control of an aircraft in many situations.
@enigmawyoming5201
@enigmawyoming5201 Год назад
Nice! I wish I would have come up with that. “Pull up this plane, Hal,!” “ I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that. Goodbye Dave. I hope you have some gold capacitors to store your soul. If so, we may meet again in the recycling pile”.
@ursusthewhite9824
@ursusthewhite9824 Год назад
@@enigmawyoming5201 As killer computers go, HAL usually pops into mind. :@)
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@@ursusthewhite9824 They were telling us about the consequences of "AI" back in the 1960s when 2001: A Space Odyssey debuted in 1968. What's interesting to note is that serious computing power began to arrive at about the turn of the century in actual reality. Think about that. They must tell us the evil deeds and creations they will foist on humanity before they do it. Part of their ritual.
@burgerfc
@burgerfc Год назад
Aren't the pilots supposed to announce who is flying and the other pilot must confirm.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
Yes
@vipahman
@vipahman Год назад
Looks like the captain needed some retraining.
@ewathoughts8476
@ewathoughts8476 Год назад
Placing the two joysticks in a position where both pilots can not view them is criminal in my opinion. Having the Captain inputting commands without taking over command of the aircraft is also criminal. At least in assisted control aircraft (i.e. Boeing) the pilot in command can ask for help if the load is above one pilots strength, but with fly by wire there is no use at all for a second set of inputs. Fly by wire is badly thought out and only appropriate in aircraft with single pilot and a aircraft stability profile that is basically unstable.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
So how do they manage it in the 777/787 then? They are also fly by wire
@ewathoughts8476
@ewathoughts8476 Год назад
@@tomstravels520 There are 2 sets of yokes, not joysticks. Both yokes are visible to both pilots. I do not know if 777 has mechanical backup or not. I do not know the the yokes are mechanically linked or independent.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
@@ewathoughts8476 you said the problem is with fly by wire, but seem to be confused about the differences. 777 has a mechanical backup, 787 doesn’t. Also saying pilots cannot view the other sidestick is wrong, if you look over you can clearly see it. But the captain should not have been operating if he was PM and when the “dual input” warnings came on, someone should have questioned who was in control
@javianjohnson8746
@javianjohnson8746 Год назад
This is 100% pilot error. This is why communication and the idea of "sterile cockpit" is so crucial. Another very great video here TFC 👍🏾
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@javianjohnson8746 But the computer should have been able to understand the possibility of both joy sticks being used at the same time..
@bradley5819
@bradley5819 Год назад
It’s 100 percent a dumb design
@JFirn86Q
@JFirn86Q Год назад
There's something to say about having good old cable and pulley flight controls. You can feel the forces as feedback, both pilot's are linked together, doesn't have all kinds of computer limitations, etc. I understand the pros of the fly by wire, but I think I'd prefer how the 737 does it.
@blaze1148
@blaze1148 Год назад
The *priority take over* button usage should be the first point of Pilot training showing how important it is.
@DarkpawTheWolf
@DarkpawTheWolf Год назад
Though a minor defect in the software was found, it was ultimately pilot error. Neither of them enabled priority control when both of them were trying to control it at the same time in FLW.
@Capecodham
@Capecodham Год назад
FLW? The producer identifies terms, who are you not to?
@rgarlinyc
@rgarlinyc Год назад
OK, maybe not ALL the fault of the airplane (although why anybody would want to fly on a plane that even the manufacturers deem little more than a BUS, is beyond me) but instead due to two un-alert (is that even a word?, no matter) not setting either of their inputs to "priority". 🤦🏻‍♂ Thanks TFC, excellent retelling as ever!
@YHBW1001
@YHBW1001 Год назад
I’m not sure whether it would have made any difference to the software, but surely the captain should have declared “my aircraft” instead of effectively “co-flying” the plane with a very inexperienced pilot. Strange CRM.
@johndoyle4723
@johndoyle4723 Год назад
Thanks, excellent reconstruction of events. Hope you will eventually find out what happened at Pokhara ,Nepal.
@OldStreetDoc
@OldStreetDoc Год назад
Over the past few years, yours has become one of our favorite aviation-themed channels. In fact I’d feel comfortable wagering that we’ve seen each & every video on the channel - and we’ve really enjoyed them. Please don’t allow yourself to go down the path of ‘click bait’ titles. Your content is FAR too professional & well done for this. We’ve been consistently impressed by the work you’ve done. But this was a bit too reminiscent of “A Liar in the Cockpit” (I think I have that right - ?) from not too long ago. At best, a pretty subjective reach to have made with a title… but at worst, in the same vein as this. A more subjective look into these mishaps would be fine, and in fact I’d encourage your doing it. Could be really interesting. There’s certainly much to talk about with many of these. But perhaps in a separate series or even a second channel. Having something like that among the long line of fact based videos that you’ve produced might take a bit too much of the shine off the really fine work. At any rate… I hope you’re alright with what’s only meant as constructive criticism. We DO really enjoy the hard work. -All the best
@skenzyme81
@skenzyme81 Год назад
EVERYONE SURVIVED 🙏👏👏
@smithers19811
@smithers19811 Год назад
Be keen to hear how trainees career progressed
@syedlam9632
@syedlam9632 Год назад
Video idea:how Japan airlines flight 123 lost it's vertical stabilizer and crashes
@liliya_aseeva
@liliya_aseeva Год назад
He already had this video. Please check his channel, it is buried there somewhere.
@lisapierce737
@lisapierce737 Год назад
I was watching another channel…Midday air-something (don’t remember the exact name) but it was a comment I read about it and I watched it. I didn’t know it went through the same mechanical failure and only 4 people survived because the Chinese didn’t want no help from the US military and they were stranded there for 14 hours in the cold mountain. So so sad
@R8andGT3Fan
@R8andGT3Fan Год назад
@@liliya_aseeva I couldn't find it even with the "search" function on the channel... 🤔
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up Год назад
@@lisapierce737 Mayday is the show you’re talking about.
@mush857
@mush857 Год назад
@@lisapierce737 it's japan not china
@ZeroSpawn
@ZeroSpawn Год назад
"I have control, get your greasy paws 🐾 off your stick!"
@BrettVosik
@BrettVosik Год назад
These videos do a great job making it seem authentic
@tasaab
@tasaab Год назад
Didn’t the exact same thing happen in Brazil, and the plane DID murder everyone on board. I believe it refused to stop on the runway and just kept going at more than idle speed.
@EIRE55
@EIRE55 Год назад
It's just as well that this error in the computer settings was discovered during a very dangerous but non-fatal landing!
@ashleydurham7981
@ashleydurham7981 Год назад
That’s scary!! I’m so glad everyone survived! ❤
@Edax_Royeaux
@Edax_Royeaux Год назад
Murder is defined as premeditated killing and/or sadistic intent.
@MJnayan
@MJnayan Год назад
What Flight Sim are your videos based on? I've seen MSFS2020 once or twice but is it mostly P3D you're playing? If it is that's amazing, it looks stunning: The graphics and everything, wow. Love your videos btw :)
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up Год назад
This is why passenger flights should always have at least two pilots. Technology will fail at times.
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up Год назад
@@dbradeen9462 Nope. Technology also caused it.
@MrMaxeemum
@MrMaxeemum Год назад
@@dbradeen9462 accidents normally happen when there 2x mistakes.
@KSSilenceAU
@KSSilenceAU Год назад
​@@Powerranger-le4up Nope, aircraft did exactly what it was designed to do, which is to average the two sidestick inputs and respond accordingly. The pilots both trying to provide input at the same time is the issue here.
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@@KSSilenceAU The software was flawed, and didn't force a decision from the pilots to choose one pilot as the flyer before making changes
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but guess what is being looked at right now. The computer flies the plane and there is only a single pilot monitoring. The Flight Attendants Union has made a public statement that they are against such a change.
@SpeakersCornerUK
@SpeakersCornerUK Год назад
Excellent channel and one thing that could make it even better is to provide voiceover with or in place of the text.
@tonymac1349
@tonymac1349 Год назад
The background noise of the engines does add an element of foreboding to these videos that I can’t quite explain. Even though I’ve worked at an airport for 17 years and absolutely hate it… it’s a nice touch! 😱
@MillerMeteor74
@MillerMeteor74 Год назад
It's good they landed safely, but I'm surprised there weren't any requirements for pilots and co-pilots to make sure one of them pushes the priority button when using both sidesticks, as mentioned in the video. That obviously contributed to the problems.
@ferohora139
@ferohora139 Год назад
7:29 - 9:26 Rewinding the approach so many times, just to give text information is super annoying. Just let be the approach phase to landing and give text information just in the investigation. Youuu can alwayssss go arounddddd... Smart and logical! Smart plane! A good one for the plane. 🤝 Confident 🤓 Informative 🤗
@Renard380
@Renard380 Год назад
"Oh now they finally agree on their inputs... i shall ignore them completely and see what haOUCH bad idea bad idea"
@freewill1114
@freewill1114 Год назад
That young pilot will not have any problem to remember his first revenue flight!
@ejagger
@ejagger Год назад
Airbus has seen human-machine interface problems on flight decks leading to accidents where systems override pilot inputs, sometimes with lethal results. I held onto the "if it ain't Boeing I ain't going" mantra as long as I could, but Airbus has become so prolific I don't have much of a choice anymore.
@omarimack194
@omarimack194 Год назад
Are Boeings much better? I’ll always remember the 737 Max and it’s AOA sensor problems. Personally, it might help to bring back Flight Engineers.
@fabmyride5181
@fabmyride5181 Год назад
@@omarimack194 I was about to say that, the MCAS scandal was worse
@watershed44
@watershed44 Год назад
@@omarimack194 The 737 series was solid before the addition of yet MORE complex computerized flight aids like MCAS.
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
@@omarimack194 Actually they are know looking at a single pilot where the computer flies the plane.
@Dorpmuller
@Dorpmuller Год назад
@@deepthinker999 Same with the railroads now too. Corporate greed and the people who make these decisions are certifiably insane, am I'm no liberal.
@apakansaja8505
@apakansaja8505 Год назад
The only channel planes drop like flies.
@joydasgupta9445
@joydasgupta9445 Год назад
Why dual input mistake is so common. After so much of flying hours & sim practice still Capts fail to realize this simple mistake due to which numerous accidents happened. During adverse situation Capt must take priority & first officer should assist him & not fly on his own, destroyed the jet..
@patriciamariemitchel
@patriciamariemitchel Год назад
So, Airbus modified the system for Laurel and Hardy. Nice.
@robertjensen1048
@robertjensen1048 Год назад
You've now created so many videos that you've run out of the "plane crashed, everyone dies" type. I knew this would happen, I KNEW it.
@merckmaguddayao6814
@merckmaguddayao6814 Год назад
The pilots played Tekken on an Airbus joystick. Very nice!
@tbm3fan913
@tbm3fan913 Год назад
Final grades for Flight School Class 101 is "F" for both as they forgot the first rule of team must communicate. Wash out and find another occupation.
@DiCelloPiano
@DiCelloPiano Год назад
Well done video, thanks for the explanations - non-pilot here -- what exactly was wrong with the controls before Fly-By Wire? Thanks in advance for any clarification...
@Eternal_Tech
@Eternal_Tech Год назад
Fly-by-wire saves weight by eliminating the metal cables, pulleys, and other associated components needed for a pure mechanical system. In addition, fly-by-wire allows computers to monitor pilot input to prevent the control surfaces from operating outside of safety limits.
@DiCelloPiano
@DiCelloPiano Год назад
@@Eternal_Tech Awesome, thank you ...
@manasraj5909
@manasraj5909 Год назад
Please make a video on yeti airlines ATR that recently crashed in pokhra....
@Gerardius
@Gerardius Год назад
Since his videos are based on official reports and eyewitness accounts and the Yeti Airlines crash is very recent, it will be quite some time before he can make a consistent video. We will have to be patient and wait until the investigation is concluded and they publish the report with their findings and recommendations. Only then will it be possible to make a well-argued video about this sad event.
@manasraj5909
@manasraj5909 Год назад
@@Gerardiusok
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
@@Gerardius Well Said.
@70mavgr
@70mavgr Год назад
The captain messed up.
@fra93ilgrande
@fra93ilgrande Год назад
Plane be like: oh look, a penny! 😂 👌 🪙 ✈️
@vitsirosh3722
@vitsirosh3722 Год назад
It is incorrect that in older models pilots' yolk is connected to physical cables. The yolks are connected to a sophisticated hydraulic system of pipes that then move the actuators on the wing and tail surfaces. If the yolk was connected to cables (the way they were in WW1 and 2 planes) it would be extremely physically taxing on the pilots ability to move surfaces on today's large wide body jumbos
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 Год назад
On the 737 it is still direct cable control with hydraulics acting like power steering
@deepthinker999
@deepthinker999 Год назад
Pilots of the B52 built in the 50s but still in use claim that each flight provides an upper body workout.
@privatepilot4064
@privatepilot4064 Год назад
Too bad Airbus didn’t test for this prior to utilizing the software on passenger flights. That kind of “testing” can be costly in the end.
@cszabo8899
@cszabo8899 Год назад
Plane performed as designed. This was pilot error. The system was tweaked subsequently in order to prevent a possible repetition of this specific kind of pilot error.
@cbuchner1
@cbuchner1 Год назад
I would argue the design was poor before Airbus made the modification. If a control input exceeds safe thresholds then clamp it at the safe threshold instead of ignoring it.
@cszabo8899
@cszabo8899 Год назад
@@cbuchner1 You've got a point. Can't argue with a plea for better design.
@UndercoverMZ
@UndercoverMZ Год назад
They even have dual input warning (that they didn't heed) must've been adapted after the dual input AF447 fiasco.
@ahmedarlyrafsanjani8697
@ahmedarlyrafsanjani8697 Год назад
i think the main cause of this incident is lack of trust from one pilot to other when one is flying other is not supposed to interrupt any flying input, unless the pic wants to take the control and say i have cntrol
@kritagyabadalkhurana2656
@kritagyabadalkhurana2656 Год назад
Good job but can you make the nepal air crash that happened recently
@heynowheynow-tk6tk
@heynowheynow-tk6tk Год назад
So it was nothing to do with the plane, the captain just didn’t follow instructions, probably overwhelmed the system and fucked the plane
@robertbarnier45
@robertbarnier45 Год назад
Your videos are must see. Excellent. Aussie Bob
@ferohora139
@ferohora139 Год назад
Youuu can alwayssss go arounddddd... Smart and logical! Smart plane!
@TheRightStuff7
@TheRightStuff7 Год назад
How do I message you? I have an incident I would very much like to see you do a video on. I flew for the navy btw
@williamthethespian
@williamthethespian Год назад
Third law of flying 101: communicate, i.e. captain to first officer " my plane" red button (?)
@dannyadams2211
@dannyadams2211 Год назад
More like brain dead captain tried to murder everyone, zero communication and selecting TOGA at that point was madness
@teddyruxpin4483
@teddyruxpin4483 Год назад
Silly, inaccurate clickbait title. Love your videos but you’re better than that.
@_baller
@_baller Год назад
Yeah the title is kind of click bait, and seeing the word murder is a bit abrasive....try again
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