This PROVES that Tubes are OVERRATED! 

I need some tonewood IR plugins for my DAW

They wouldn't even have to be connected to anything and people would still "hear the difference" when they turned them

@@matiosmi137 I swear an amp company actually did this, I wanna say Marshall or VOX maybe? They added a knob, hooked it up to nothing and labeled it like "awesome" or something, so you could turn the awesome knob up. That wasn't the exact idea, but it was something similar I believe.

@Dude McGuybro : what brand? What amp? I want to see that.

And they should be required by law to disclose the year of manufacturing of their chips, so that real experts know whether the amp can actually sound any good or not.

i used an ss140c with 2 4x12's for years...i had no less than 5 different soundmen offer to buy my rig lol

SPEAKERS

To be fair, even great speakers can't fix a shitty amp

There's a reason people still search out the VH140C!

Well said

I only use boost pedals with my tube amps. Push the actual amp and a little character to it. Its shame seeing giant pedal boards being used on a tube amp. TS and a ratt is all I use.

This is exactly it. Solid state amps have come a LONG way. Solid state are getting their own sound. I love a good cranked tube amp but SS are sounding better than ever.

agreed. 2nd is over reliance of op amps for clean channel. the clean channel op amp have no clipping diodes in feed back loop. this means they hard clip when overdriven. In terms of cost this could be easily fix by using jfet for clean channel. only amp that does clean right with op amps is peavy transtube. most amp are still design like it early 1970s when jfet where more expensive and not well known.

Guitar players have double standards. They hate solid state amps because they don't like the distortion, but they also buy heavy distortion pedals, which are solid state.

There seems to be this thinking of “using a solid state pedal makes the amp solid state”, and thats not exactly whats going on. Tube guys like using overdrives because it makes the guitar hit the amp harder to drive the tubes even more. So no, its not making it solid state, its giving you MORE of what TUBES sound like. I have a $2000 friedman and a $70 marshal SS amp and I love them both, im not a boomer tube elitist or a tube hater, I just want to be knowledgable. @godzilla964

A huge part of a tube _preamp_ circuit is SS as well. That's all a pedal is; they're basically preamps. But the output compression and feel of a tube amp is totally different than SS due to the necessity of much more powerful transformers required for tube power sections. SS amps have a very immediate response - no sag - in most every example. It's more of a feeling than a sound. If you want that saggy compression you can *feel* in the strings, there are _very few_ SS amps that can deliver that tactile experience. The Super Crush is great sounding, and it basically stops there because it doesnt have the massive voltage swing necessary to create that sag. I'm a huge SS amp lover, but facts are facts.

Well, that's another level of tones 😂

Peter K. Rosenthal? Shouldn't you be reviewing movies for The Onion?

this is why i played lefty tbh

That sounds like those fools at the thegearpage would say.

When we were industrial noise punks we switched hands and it was like "wow ! its just like before I could play the thing - KEWL!!!" ;)

I love mine as well; it sounds great, takes up no room, can run on a 1-spot for lower wattage, and I just have one or two pedals in front - it's literally all I'll ever need.

For the doomheads out there the Crush Pro is typically a lot more sought after due to the thicker and sludgier sound you get when you really crank it. Too bad Orange only made such a short run of them and replaced them with the Super Crush, they're already becoming hard to obtain 😄

I've played both amps back to back and, while I think that both sound awesome, the super crush felt better to play to me. It has more of that sag or compression that make tube amps more appealing to me. Love the super crush!

I never liked the gain from the original crush. This new one is killer

The super crush is a bit unhinged I love it. The crush pro is definitely not as fun.

Players take the lead, them we need more of.

A lot of death metal bands used solid state peaveys, and those rockman headphone amps were on professional recordings back in the 80s.

And Brian may.

Dimebags tone sounded like a bag of shrill angry bees though

@@zs8784 he could’ve gotten his same sound if not better if he used a 5150. Im firmly convinced he either never tried it or no one showed him how to actually get good high gain tones from it

@@applesauceblues6952 Angry bees are the keys

Hearing this demo, it sounds great. Really seems like all I needs is the lower end tightened up slightly, if you are going for that sort of tone. Overdrive would be perfect for that, other wise if you are playing more sludgy type metal, it sounds good as is for that.

I almost went for the crush, but ended up going for the Invective because of all the functionality.

@@felinekaiju4517 how are you finding the invective?

@@gazzaduce3424 I'm loving it, it's also a great pedal platform on the clean channel. It's so versatile, and with 9 midi programmable channel pre-set slots, it's essentially a 12 channel amp. I know a lot of people don't lile the noise gate, but I don't have a problem with it, and I only use the OD on the clean channel to push it into EOB. There's so much functionality in this amp, it's insane. I've not used the MSDI out, nor the parralell speaker outputs.

@Bloom Tik Bloom Meh, we record tube amps all the time for clients with heavy projects so that's actually what we would consider "ordinary" (5150, dual recs, Rockverbs etc). We actually shot this (crush pro) out against a rockverb before our session with stoner metal band Sonolith and it 100% holds it's own, just in a different way. The Rockverb couldn't tighten up on the low end as much as the crush and the crush didn't have the transient response of the Rockverb. So from where I'm sitting and my hands on experience, they're both just two different paintbrushes that an artist could use to sonically paint with. You can buy a Mercedes which is ranked last in consumer reports and spend twice as much as a Toyota which is ranked first in consumer reports, so I don't think the old chestnut "you get what you pay for" is really applicable as much these days. Just like most Mercedes owners won't admit there are other awesome options for cars that are cheaper, because the status of the car is what they are really paying for, most tube amp aficionado's will refuse to hear great tones from anything other than the holy valve because of the status associated with it.

@Bloom Tik Bloom terms like lofi and hifi are in reference to fidelity of a recorded sound being reproduced by 70's equipment (op amp powered receivers), not the initial sounds being produced by a heavily distorted guitar head (which is low fidelity by nature of the insane T.H.D. induced by the gain staging) as we are discussing here. Again they are different sounds, neither better than the other in all cases while each being better than the other in some cases.

I'm learning alot here and I drive a Jeep.

​@Bloom Tik BloomAgain, we are talking hi gain distorted amps where a clear signal is being greatly distorted. The term as you are using it doesn't apply to this subject. I can't argue with your opinion about what difference you perceive in clarity, for all I know you have hearing loss that causes you to hear differently than me. I will say the "solid state is trash" fallacy being espoused here is easily disputed by the fact the the majority of the best preamps in the world used to record the best classic tones were all solid state. Neve, API and Solid State Logic (it's in the name lol) were responsible for amazing tones with their fat, transformer based saturation (just like a solid state amp). Back to my original point, the Orange solid state amps are killer if you aren't emotionally invested into thinking a tube is some sort of magic tone device. So no, it's not more Hifi to use a tube amp design from decades ago vs a modern design. Technically speaking it's the opposite. As far as solid state amps being a thing of the past because of digital modeling, the fact that the modeling then will go on to a class d solid state power amp 10 times out of ten times in a live scenario, greatly disputes your assumption my good tone dude! Cheers!

@@topfloorstudio2684 jeeps are definitely more lo-fi than h-fi!

It is a unique tone that cuts through a dense mix with no problem being heard

I think I had a similar Rack version and blew it the first day

i had that Amp in college.. LOVED IT.

@@OpportunityInLife no pedals Just plug in and play I'm still a sucker for the stereo chorus!

Loved that amp. Played it for many years in a country/rock band. Used the AMP for the clean and distorted sounds. Outboard pedals were not anything that were tone changing or gain adding units. Just a classic, under rated amp that can be had for a song now days and they have a proven record of lasting such a long time.

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Inserts the demo where behringer tube screamer is side by side compared to a OG ceramics component tube screamer and is sonically identical

Cheap and abundant had nothing to do with it, right?

I believe they were all using the Valvestate amps Morrisound studios had

I still have one of those Crate half stacks in my garage from the early 2000s! It was all i could afford at the time, but i got some cool sound out of it with the help of a graphic EQ.

Can you please not misrepresent information like that, in no way did Jim Lill prove what you said, what he proved is that solid state, tube preamp, and tube power amp distortion sound really really similar when entirely isolated. To hear a guitar amp REQUIRES that a guitar, amp, speaker, and mic (or simulation of some or all of the above, unless you're in the room then you can skip the mic) all be in the signal chain together, and every single one of those is absolutely loaded with variables (EQ signature shows up like 6 times among each of those), you cannot simply isolate "tone" into a specific subsection of a circuit of an amplifier.

@@nelke3891 This.

Yeah man I do the same thing. I'll also throw a compressor and a sonic stomp in the FX loop too. Solid states seem to respond better to tinkering that way.

You remind me, I'vealways wanted to know Greta Thunberg's favorite amp.

Absolutely brilliant guitar sound on that record. My favorite probably still is Powerslave, though. There is actually a guitar pedal called "Seventh Son", which is modelled after the GK preamp section. I forgot the name of the manufacturer, but you can find it easily enough.

@@mrcoatsworth429 My favorite old-school guitar tone is on Piece of Mind. Powerslave is very similar-basically, a continuation of that sound, but a little more compact. I had no idea there was a Seventh Son 250ML-in-a-box type of pedal. I just checked out the demo by the manufacturer. To my ear, it is, unofortunately, missing the midrange thickness and the tight bottom end the GK amps had. Plus, let's not forget about the importance of that beautiful compression that the GK amps had, which made each note sound fluid and even, without the need for much gain. So, you get the best of both worlds: low gain tone with high gain sustain.

@@mickeythompson9537 How DARE yhooo?

@@metalinsights9664 I'm tempted to buy the pedal, just because it's cheaper and more convenient than an actual vintage GK. Personally, I found the demos to be less than ideal. So I won't judge the pedal just yet. Not until I've heard it for myself. And there are two versions of the pedal. So maybe it's the less "accurate" version that you listened to. Anyways, I don't know how it is, but it might be interesting!

My custom 2022 IR :p. Btw, great to see you, dude!

Orange amps do have an actually unique tone. there's a upper midrange hump in them that is pretty unmistakable.

I got the amp recently. It sounds just as good, no regrets. Now I may finally start building a pedalboard.

"Supposedly", but not really. Their schematics have many similarities, but Ampeg has a completely different tonestack and overall voicing (for example, the controls are placed at different frequencies, Crate has a boost-only low control and much more lower mids), some clipping stages are different, but it should be relatively easy to convert one into another. BTW, I have a Crate XLP, it's a rack version of the G130CXL/GX130C (same amp, just restyled), pretty cool, but I like the sound of Ampegs better.

My custom IR :p

It’s going to take more time. Lots of elements!

Would that be Ty Tabor?

@@ruination775 Yep!