Wanna get even more confused? The description for Scarborough Fair and Love is Blue in Bayo 3, together with the ending, might indicate that the main three Bayonettas that you play as on the three games are actually entirely different timelines. Brave Bayo does seem to have gone through similar Bayo 1 and 2 events (she has Loki cards and the little Bayo doll in Gates of Hell, also Luka's character entry indicates past event), but it's likely her outfit never changed ever! Short hair bayo had that look through her Bayo 1 events, and brave Bayo likely always looked like that. Also, one of the lore thingies on bayo 3 says that the Multiverse "split" at some point, it was once a single timeline. I'm guessing it has to do with that time crap from bayo 1, and brave Bayo being called arch-eve "origin" (thought it would make more sense for Bayo 1's universe to be the Origin, and brave bayo to be the first split, but regardless). Would be nice if they went into these things more in the next game, but who am I kidding. It's gonna be a bunch of new rules and stuff, bunch of magical fairies, the multiverse will probably be completely ignored lol
She's the origin because she WAS in bayonetta 1! She was Cereza, the little girl version. So when the timeline broke, the origin was Cereza the child, not Cereza the adult.
I'd say it's not so much indicate as it is outright confirmed. Singularity refers to both Bayonetta 1 and 2's worlds as different ones he had destroyed "long ago," hence his shock that they have returned to life (the one error I think this video made being ignoring that he was speaking to both the other Bayonettas, so I don't think he was mistaken in their identities), and realization that Arch Eve Origin Bayonetta is restoring those universes by freeing the Bayonettas he had absorbed.
They really made a hot mess of a story lmao. Now that more of it is becoming clear, it's nicer but like, they could have explained everything so much better.
My theory is that they ran out of time since they have been experimenting with the gameplay mostly to the point they almost forgot to explain key details, so they ended up slapping it into the character's profiles
@@Dengojin I've also read that plat games has a bad habit of making their assets and (their own?) games, then fills in the blanks later with "story". Especially if Kamiya is writing the scenario....
I mean the story of all the bayonetta games have always been a hot mess. We play bayonetta for the game play not the story. The only bayonetta game that had a cohesive story was bayonetta 1, and even then bayonetta 1 was still a hot mess of a story. Bayonetta 2 is just as much of a hot mess. The original plot point was bayonetta saving Jeanne from inferno, but then she got thrusted into the fight between loptr and loki and the only thing that actually related her to the shit between loptr and loki was the left eye of darkness. I personally enjoyed the story of bayo 3 but I can recognize that it's still a hot mess, not to mention singularity is such a one dimensional villain it's laughable. I liked seeing all the alternate bayos though. The only story relating to multiverse shenanigans that did it good was enter the spider spiderverse. It's hard to make a multiverse story and not have it become a hot mess. Just like it's hard to make a time travel story without it becoming a hot mess.
@@Scyclo Nah the stories for the Bayo games are great. I play the series for the whole experience, not just the gameplay. The only big issue Platinum has with these stories is how they put a vast majority of explanations and plot points in the journals or bios.
@@Scyclo no I hated singularity as a villain, I thought that the twist was gonna be that a version of luka was singularity, which I feel would have had a lot more emotional weight imo with the direction they took bayos and Lukas relationship. But it just turned out to be the same old tired story of an AI that hates humans and wants to rule the world for no reason other than “humans aren’t perfect enough”
Whittingham Bayo having two ribbons would also imply she was never dragged into fulfilling Balder's master plan to awaken the left eye, since she's the only one among all the variants who became a mother, even more mysterious that she even goes by as "Bayonetta" since it's stated that Rodin gave her that nickname when she lost her memories.
I'd like to imagine that Rosa never died during the war.... Or at least she died *together* with Balder. Rosa being alive means that Balder had no reason for revenge. I.E Space Kite Loki had no leverage to sic Balder to squirrel Loki.
@@HansBotMaker I’ve been thinking about that the last two days. In the beginning of 2, we see Balder before he fades away. Except now we understand B1 and B2 are different universes. So which universe had Balder actually possessed by Loptr? And also, which universe’s timeline did the possessed Balder return to? Previously it was thought that this explained why Balder in B1 was evil in the first place. I think this is untrue, it just shows why Balder was possessed in B2’s universe. B1’s Balder was the one that led the witch hunts with the humans after the umbra vs lumen was lost. I think B1’s Balder played and used Rosa to birth a child to be used to resurrect Jubileus. If we consider the anime film B:BF, that is either a retelling of 1 or another universe. That Balder went insane or something after seeing Rosa dead? That’s why he wants to build a new universe
@@Justitia_Nomen My belief is that the Bayonetta from both Bayonetta 1 and 2 is in fact the exact same Bayonetta, just from different periods in the timeline. The only reason they appeared alongside each other is because of multiverse shenanigans and Singularity messing with reality. The weapon descriptions for both the Scarborough Fair and Love is Blue state that they were created for another Bayonetta. The biggest supporting piece of evidence that they're the same Bayonetta is the fact that the Scarborough Fair is referenced to not be second in power to the Love is Blue, a piece of lore they would have omitted from the weapon's description if they weren't actually both used by the same Bayonetta at some point in time. This means that the Bayonetta from Bayonetta 2 did in fact have the SFs at one point in the past and as time progressed she got new weapons made for her, which would seem to imply that yes, she is in fact the Bayonetta from the first game as well. The flashbacks from the second game also further support this fact. It's definitely a bit weird though as their descriptions try make it seem as if they're completely different people, and in terms of character growth and development they genuinely aren't anymore, so much so that you really could separate the two and make them their own entities if you wanted to. But anyways, it being the same Bayonetta across both games is far more consistent with the storyline of the franchise and just makes way more sense in general.
@@TheMagicNimbus Sadly, developers changed the opening text to try and make bayo 2 not a continuation of bayo 1. All of this because they want to add viola and pull another plot twist that makes no sense
Omg that's why bayo 1 says to bayo 3 in the final chapter "I hope u didn't cry in my ausence" (or something similar), because she alredy met this bayo when she was a kid!!
"You didn't cry while I was gone did you?" Is what she says, man I also loved that the UI changed when you play as Bayo 1 and the music when Bayo 1 and 2 entered the scene changed to tomorrow is mine and mysterious destiny, chills
@@AlixRaph Fr that scene was awesome, made me want to play bayo 1 again!! I've spent at least 2h in the galery listening to misterious destiny and some other cool songs Btw thx for the clarification, I didn't noticed the quote bc I'm playing sub spanish ^^
One of my favourite stages in the first game is still the Ithavoll Tower stage where Cereza would confront hordes of elite angelic adversaries lurking around the hallways and corridors of Balder's headquarters.
I noticed this right away, it’s really sweet. Cereza in Bayonetta 3 is little Cereza you see in Bayonetta 1, somewhere in Bayonetta 3’s story Cereza from Bayonetta 1 hits Cereza from Bayonetta 3 on the forehead gently with the butt of her gun and says “You didn’t cry while I was gone did you?” A throwback to when she said that to herself (little cereza) in Bayonetta 1. Whittingham Fair Bayonetta was most likely created just for Viola’s existence. This is my theory. But if she is the first ever Bayonetta that is pretty neat. Scarborough Fair Bayonetta known as Cereza from Bayonetta 1 aka a Witch with no memories… is considered the original Bayonetta as of now. Love is Blue Bayonetta known as Cereza from Bayonetta 2 is not the same Cereza as Bayonetta 1’s Cereza either, therefore it’s a different variant. You can see this info on both the Scarborough Fair and Love is Blue guns descriptions. Looks like they just followed a very similar path. Colour My World Bayonetta aka (Brave Cereza, Little Cereza, Cerezita (name only Luka is allowed to call her), Pure Cereza, Cereza) from Bayonetta 3 is the now grown up “little” Cereza as I mentioned above, she shows up in Bayonetta 1, she was pulled from her own universe to Scarborough Fair Bayonetta’s universe until she put her back in again, and the difference between, Cereza from B3 to Cereza from B1 and B2 is that she never was sealed in a coffin for 500 years therefore she survived the witch hunts if I am not mistaken, this making Bayonetta 3’s Cereza the strongest Cereza in the whole multiverse theoretically.
I thought arch eve origin which (the bayoneta with the demon octopus) was the strongest out of all of them and second was brave bayo and then bayo 1/2. We do see bayo. 2 able to split labolas in to two demons so we know she’s been practicing and gaining new abilities. I really wanted bayo 2 to shine and bring out omne tbh 😭😭
I'm sure Bayo 1's story still has a long way to go. In Bayo 2, how Rosa said that she will inherit the eyes of the world... In Bayo 2, the eyes are destroyed. In Bayo 1 they still exist. We still haven't seen Bayo using both eyes, since she only had 1 of them. I'm sure in a future game that will happen. They wouldn't mention something so big for it to not have a payoff in the future.
I agree with you and it's something I said to my friend just yesterday, the next Bayonetta will be the true continuation to Bayonetta 1 with Viola being there ala the Nero of Bayonetta
THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING!!!!! I honestly thought it was gonna be Bayonetta 3 to inherit the eyes of the world since Red and Blue makes purple and how powerful she is… but maybe one day lol
Also also, Irrc, yusuke hashimoto left plat in 2019 and with his absence (was he credited in 3? Idr) the story of Bayonetta felt very different and disorganized, so I wouldn't be surprised if his work from 2 was disregarded, not out of malice but from the lack of consistency.... It happens more often then you think with serialized writing.
There's a small change in the Bayonetta 1 profile which I haven't seen brought up yet. Bayonetta 1's title here is "The Witch in Remembrance", which is a definite nod to her regaining her memories during the first game, and she lacks one of her ribbons (even when selected as an outfit) due to its passing to Cereza. Yet in Bayo2, the outfit for Bayo1 was titled "Witch With No Memories" and has two ribbons instead of one. It could mean nothing since it's an outfit, but maybe there's more to that?
That's interesting. I think you might be onto something. So basically Bayo3's Bayo1 is the one after meeting little Cereza and giving her the ribbon, while Bayo2's must be from before that.
@@NuiYabuko Looks like it, unless perhaps Bayo2 never had that exchange with Cereza? I don't remember if she ever mentions or eludes to Cereza during Bayo2 other than it being one of her introductory names towards Loki.
@@gyeshikurabi298 it could be to imply that that was Bayo 2 cereza before she got her memory back. And her outfit change happened during her similar Bayo 1 events.
Yes but when you turn into a panther and the crow goes back to having 2 ribbons, these kinds of errors shouldn't be there if you want to do these kinds of details.
@@tovi3280 Exactly! And the first despite not having such a complex plot (like this 3rd chapter) has always been coherent under these kinds of details. ^^
I Hope viola stays in her realm and leaves Bayo 1 and 2 alone, cause we all know when the Nero lookalike is involved it gets messy. In a perfect world viola doesn’t even exist 😅
The Cereza that we all know is extremely indomitable and puissant in terms of her supernatural attributes as well as charismatic, there are very few adversaries who could match her not even Jeanne. Therefore, it is really illogical to see her in this weak state and able to be overpowered and outmatched by artificial human technology. As you mentioned since the real Cereza is still living fine in her dimension and most certainly the second counterpart as well, there is still hope after this ambiguous and terribly bewildering 3rd game that either one or both of them could make a dramatic re-appearance to continue a new saga based on the original timeline to unlock more mysteries about her identity as well as secrets about the war between the Lumen Sages and Umbra Witches. There are many unanswered questions from the first game waiting to be justified and how they interconnect with the second one. We can only hope that the next instalment will go back to the classic drawing board to re-emphasise the original story and characters, otherwise, it would be a complete waste of the first two originals after this somewhat outrageous blunder.
@@-Pridebycreatons- Yeah, basically they've been trying to come up with this for a while, Bayonetta 1 and 2 are fully separate timelines as much as we may not like that fact...
@@AlmondMilkLake yeah the question is did bayo2 go through what bayo1 went through? If you play bayo2 they had umbran amour in their past history were bayo1 didn't.
@@Yunglex313 they aren't. The bayo1 is below the lips and bayo 2 is even on the lip and bayo3 is upper. Take a screen shot from the side view and compare it that way.
Thank you for this. OMFG, I've been so fucking confused by the story. Things like is this Bayonetta or Little Cereza we play as through 3? The hairstyle alone should've given it away from the beginning, but I figured it was just a natural evolution of her changing hairstyle since 2 she had a different one from 1. Can't make her look the exact same for every game after all. This helps explain a whole lot more. Glad that, most likely assuming this is true, that our Bayonetta is still alive and will still be the main character. I have no problem with Viola as an addition, but I absolutely abhor her gameplay, specifically her infuriating Witch Time activation by parrying and how you can't control Cheshire at all. I would severely dislike an entire game with Viola as the main protagonist. But as a supporting protagonist like 3, I'm fine with it.
I still dont know what happened to the other Bayos and Jeanne Why did singularity focused all the bayos? Did only our Bayo lost the eyes of the World and the others didnt? Where the hell did singularity came from and why is he so powerful? What happened to the Lumen Sages? Why luka has powers? CAN WE HAVE A CUTIE J SPIN OFF? I NEED ANSWERS
Singularity is an advanced AI from a very advanced universe, working to make every single universe a part of the Alphaverse (His home) to strengthen it by murdering the Bayonetta counterparts as mentioned in his character profile. Lumen Sages are extinict after Balder's death Luka has power because his counterpart "Lukaon" is the king of Faeries and he combined with him Jeanne is Kamiya's favorite character and Hellena Taylor mentioned in her videos that "There will be a spin-off coming up, don't buy that either!" hinting that there will be either a Cutie J Spin-off or a Spin-off based of the secret chapter found in the book
Irrc, it's (poorly) implied that as you kick his butt, the alternate Bayos and Jeannes are freed and their universes are restored(?). His motivations and story are totally incongruent with the trinity of realities aspect. Rodin sets it up to make it sound more epic then what it turned out to be.
Thanks for this! I was completely sure they were two separates bayo(1) and at the end i was like why everyone is saying she's dead if our bayo 1 is alive? Like yes is mess but like u said they were just trying to introduce Viola, ignoring the previous games lore continuity.
If only the original Team who did the other two games came back to do the story for 3. Then maybe the story wouldn't be so over the place and had a better ending.
Yeah. Kamiya was there of course but without Hashimoto there to do the leg work, Kamiya turned into a real George "I may have gone a little too far in some places" Lucas. Like, did werewolf Luka/Lukaon really need to be a thing? 😂
Yeah I'm pretty confused, especially with the fact that all lumen saga are gone with EVERY timeline. I get that the game is about witches, and Bayo specifically (as Jeanne gets shafted) but they had every chance to give us an playable lumen sage and I'm not talking about that clunky Balder from 2.
Anyone notice the details in both the scarborough fair and the wittingham fair guns? wittingham fair decals are almost identical the only difference is the grip of the guns. wittingham fair gun grips are white, while scarborough fair grips are black. here's a funny tid bit and my guess and assumption is that it was intentional for the meaning in colors: Black represents life and Whte Represents Death in some parts of asia (been a very long time so that stuff is a bit foggy in my head, heard it somewhere). maybe just coincidence?
also to add, notice the grips on Color My World? they to are also white. this was foreshadowing what Brave Cereza's fate was going to happen in the end, but that IMO. and another one to add: if you look at Love is Blue the grips are obviously black. we know that the bayonetta 1 and 2 'cerezas' are alive since they did not fade with like the other in a greenish white mist and are alive in their own 'realities'. edit: sorry ALL version of Bayonetta are alive (spoilers) when Bayo 3 Cereza destroyed Sinuglarity and all other 'realities/universes' were 'revived'. [just look up ending explanations for bayo 3 :p cuz' that is another whole can a beans]
Why didn't they just do a new Bayo model at the beginning in Viola's world instead of reusing the Bayo 1 model ? That would have been much simpler. Maybe they just thought we wouldn't have the same emotional attachment to a new Bayo and maybe it would have been confusing if it was actually Bayo or not. But still, this would have prevented this mess. But it's true that this kind of things can completely happen in multiverses after all, that can be expected.
Ok so question for y’all am I the only one that doesn’t like viola’s gameplay? Like I’m sure maaaaybe if she’s to become a mc in future games she’ll get different weapons but a sword its just so overdone like I just cannot cared for it. Bayonetta has so many unique weapons (not to mention her signature 4 guns) and they decided to give Viola a lame ass sword.
She’s literally an amateur Witch and you answered your own concern, if she comes back as the MC she’ll likely be older/more experienced and play a lot more like Bayo
So Bayo2 isn't our Bayonetta either? Since it's not time travel but universe travel, this means the second game isn't the same timeline as the first game to begin with?
I don´t know, the story of Bayonetta 3 is kinda a total mess. as much as i am a fan of BayoxLuka, Luka seems to be so out of character sometimes, and making him into a mystical being out of the sudden and to fuse him with every other Luka version sounds to me like as if they wanted to get rid of him. Like he was a mistake or something. And it seems like they try to copypaste DMC5. Dante/Bayonetta getting overpowered by Urizen/Singurlarity, Dante and Vergil/Bayonetta and Luka are now in Hell and Nero/Viola becoming the new leads for the future. As much as i like Viola(yeah, i am a Viola Fan), she should have been first introduced, but not becoming the next main character so fast. And i don´t know, the story of Bayo3 tries to be connected with Bayo1 and Bayo2. And by that i mean Enzo mentioned Gomorrahs first rampage of Bayo2.
He didn't specify the events of Bayonetta 2's rampage, but more like she experienced her demons going berserk before. It's even a key mechanic in the gameplay, if you read the character profiles you will notice that Bayonetta 3 is the little Cereza and not the Bayonetta 1/2 Bayo As of the out of character bits, that is basically how everyone is due to the multiverse implementations, Bayonetta 3 is more on the cutesy side than the Bayonetta 1/2 which is on the sexy dominant side. Same as Luka who seems to be different than his Bayonetta 1 and 2 Luka
By the time we see another bayonetta game, is the story really going to matter much? I like what the story did even though it’s not entirely clear what they were doing for with it. I’m just concerned if they tried to make the gameplay drastically different in the next game, which would be a huge mistake.
@@Dengojin i was reading the profiles. But i didn´t found a clue about Little Cereza = Bayonetta 3. Only that she moved over to New York and that she has a job as Nun. But one thing that made me still doubt about it is, that in bayonetta 1, after Bayonetta brought little Cereza back into her past. It seemed like as if Bayonetta and Cereza´s past were overlapping with eachother and that Bayonetta´s past becamed Little Cereza´s Past. I know something similiar happend in the intro Cutscene of 3, with bayonetta getting a headache and parts of her forehead turning into the red crystal.
@@MarinetteDupainCheng564 the haircut, the last scene when Bayo 1 pumps Bayo 3's chin with the gun just like she did to little Cereza in Bayo 1 and her asking her if she cried while she was gone etc...
You mention B0 being a beta and all the other universes based off her, you mean B1, B2, and B3 or every universe? Can’t be every universe, Singularity mentions in a cutscene that he saw over a thousand universes that was very similar and identical to one of the multiverse Bayonettas(was it the ignis aranea yoyo Bayo?) And where does bloody fate Bayonetta come in to your theory?
Thanks for the video. It kinda makes the videos that 3 is a bad game because bayonetta died for a tomboy look like people who didn't do their homework since the original bayonetta is still alive
Unfortunately westerners are unable to appreciate stories unless they are simple and easy to follow. Thanks to those in Japan who prefer to make more interesting stories!
We still dont know who the theoretical “prime” bayonetta is, would assume either Beta Zero (wittingham) or Alphaverse Bayonetta (dark eve) but neither are properly confirmed to be the actual Prime. Even Bayo 1 is a candidate for it, but we have no way of knowing!
since bayo1 and bayo3 are likely from the same universe but after cereza interacted with bayo1 and became braze cereza, she split off into a different universe which is the one we see at the beginning of bayo3. of course, this all stands on the assumption that bayo3 is brave cereza, but the similarities in hairstyle really makes it seem like they are the same person. and since bayo3 is called arch-eve origin, maybe shes the first alternate universe to appear, making her the "prime" bayonetta?
I think there are 4 Bayonettas (I always thought there were 3... let's say the ones in black suits, but bayonetta 2 was added) Since Bayonetta 2 is not the continuation of 1, it's another timeline or universe, why Already having the Scarborough Fair why do you want the Love in Blue... apart from the start of the game when Balder is in the timeline is Bayonetta 1 saying "Present Day" and then jump directly to Bayonetta shopping at the mall. and when he sees Lumen Sage he will not realize that he is one of them... apparently the Bayonetta of 2 never fought against Balder of 1.
Bayonetta 2 is a sequel to the events of 1, this is confirmed by Enzo's dialogues in the first chapter, and Bayo's interaction with Loki before Luka's explainiation of the creation of the world.
@@danielalexispaulinh.8729 In the Lore (bayonetta 3 books ) it says that there are 2 different bayonettas, if you read the information of the character and the Love is Blue Weapon it confirms it. Best regards.
personally im pretty sure every other universe's bayonettas went back after singularity died, and bayo3's bayonetta is probably doing well in inferno with luka/strider. pretty sure her soul didnt get devoured.
@@DeformedLunchbox that is why it is Illogical for me to see them separately at the end of the 3. The third talk about multivers not time-line. Anyway I'm so disappointed with this sequel... They worked on the summons and the weapons, but the chara design of the bosses and enemies sucks, viola is uninteresting, the gameplay with jeanne sucks too, the levels are ugly and empty the story with this ending is distressing...
So, the real one Bayonetta(Cereza) is from Bayo 1 at the ending when final battle. And variant of Bayonetta (Bayonetta β0) was Viola's mother at the prologue opening right?????
@@desmondjackson9941 It's very possible that Bayonetta 3 is just a build up to unite Bayonetta (from 1) with Viola so it's most likely going to be continuation to the Bayonetta 1 story
the fact that this Bayonetta 3 costume change is Bayonetta 1 with 1 ribbon I think it means that this Bayonetta 3 is our Bayonetta. I don't like Viola replacing our Bayonetta but I think that's the route they are going for our Bayo's Story. I hope in the future our Bayo will be back and right now she is trying to conquer the Inferno. Maybe she will make a pact with Queen Sheeba to finally take control of Paradiso in exchange for the freedom of her soul. that would be awesome lol.
All I can say is, welcome to a game involving dimensional travel and stuff, it's just as messy and confusing as Time Travel, which Bayo 2 somewhat had.
Cereza in Bayonetta 3 is little Cereza you see in Bayonetta 1, somewhere in Bayonetta 3 story Cereza from Bayonetta 1 hits Cereza from Bayonetta 3 on the forehead gently with the butt of her gun and says “You didn’t cry while I was gone did you?” A throwback to when she said that to herself (little cereza) in Bayonetta 1.
