This Should be Illegal 

This is way more problematic than usual because this is supposed to be a safety feature. Making it more functional for influencers means it's safer for some specific people... for marketing reasons.

I'm not surprised at all. Channels like AI DRIVR that are constantly showing off "FSD" seem to have great experiences with it, yet real-world users seem to be very distrustful of it after trying it for themselves. Makes perfect sense when you realize that those RU-vidrs were getting a better experience than everyone else.

“I can’t hear you with his * * * * in your mouth”…. **presses like button while laughing**

really, at this rate, should this type of data be proprietary? This is data that if it isn't processed correctly could lead to loss of life. This should be auditable, and it doesn't seem like it is, or in this case, they could easily lie on their own audits.

8:43 Fun fact, in the biografy book of Elon it does say that he was frustrated the Autopilot was still unable to drive him to work without intervention in the early days, because the lack of road markings... Then the employees made their way somehow to close the road for 3 hours, rent a road painter machine, and paint the road, so AP would work.. 😂😂😂😂

This has to do with public safety. You shouldn't be allowed to sell a safety feature on misleading safety data.

False advertising is illegal at state and federal level (US)

It should be said about your film credits analogy… that list of people is not even close to everyone that has worked on a given project. Those are ONLY people who have argued for the right to have a “credit”.

In the Musk book, they told a story about how Musk kept getting mad that self driving was messing up on a route to work. The employees were going to repaint the road instead of fix the problem.

Finally something I can legitimately weigh in on, as ADAS and Autonomous Driving is my industry. The insane ethics violation aside, this is a potential huge safety concern for "typical" drivers. Without having inside data and procedure to analyze, I can only speculate, but if this training data is allowed to mingle with the general training data, depending on its weighting, this can absolutely alter the system's perception across the board, not just on the selectively-trained routes. This is compounded even more by Tesla's decision to only use optical sensors, requiring extensive focused training and situational interpretation that could otherwise be compensated and calculated for if they had supported their autonomy system with SRR, MRR, LRR, LiDar and Sonar like literally every other manufacturer is doing. The phrase "trick of the eye" absolutely applies here. If you don't understand what you're looking at, you reach out and touch it, or listen to it, or smell it, you don't just guess based on what you see. Tesla vehicles only have eyes to comprehend the world around them, and it's already an insane challenge to make it work. Skewing this interpretation with excessive data on specific routes can cripple the system's ability to interpret similar-looking but completely different situations elsewhere. Imagine if the only colors you ever knew were Red, Green and Blue, and then one day, somebody gave you Purple. Is it Blue? Is it Red? Or do you immediately stop and request input? Now what if each color meant the difference between life or death. This is a gross oversimplification, but I hope it drives home the point: What Tesla is doing is jeapordizing safety and life, when what they should be doing is hunkering down on their decision to approach autonomy in the most difficult way possible, and bloody well perfecting it. If they can actually make their system work in its currently deployed format (cameras only), the data collected and the scientific boundaries crossed have the potential to positively alter humanity, and not just in the automotive industry.

"Customer support close to developers" - HELL YES! When I worked CS, the developers asked me to run QA on the RTM version, and I found more bugs in 2 days than they had in 2 WEEKS. AND I was able to write up a Q&A with workarounds for the bugs they couldn't fix in time and release it ON release date. It was one of the smoothest releases they had on that product and it likely greatly cut down on the number of calls *I* had to take once I was back in my CS cubical.

Even if LMG hired someone to drive a car for a review, the employee would likely be driving many of the same roads as other LMG employees and _still_ have the results skewed.

5:49 let’s be real, this kind of humor keeps us all coming back

daily reminder that Musk told his fanbase and shareholders that your Tesla (not a new one, the one you currently own) is gonna be making you 30k a year just by itself as a robot taxi, this man should absolutely be in prison

The only way these kinds of cars would work optimally is if they were on a rail. Perhaps, we should just call them "trains with extra steps and less safety"?

Imagine to buy a 0/100 in 3 seconds car, to let it drive alone. No ty, i'll drive and i'll take all those speed tickets myself :O

The "hire people who just 'drive around' and test the self-driving" part could be done if Linus partnered up with taxis and/or ride sharing platforms. Sure they are professionals and might get biased data in a different sense, but it would definitely not be linked to him.

"$15,000 Beta*, Supervised*, FSD" does not include "Tesla pays for insurance and all accident payouts by default bc Tesla software 'fully self drives' the car."

I knew it! Twitch streamer RNG is REAL! 🤣

News: company doing exactly what you’d expect.

I see one source that I believe is trustworthy and he always makes his routes random. That means that no employee could help the route out.

Also tack on more names behind the scenes to the movie credits, because not nearly everyone is actually credited. I have done VFX and animated many movie title sequences and my name has never been listed in the credits. Instead the studio I worked at and maybe my boss is listed.

Would love to see a video of Linus following that whole process flow chart for an upcoming video. Introducinh people from each department and how a video comes together in the end. May also shed some light on any inefficiencies in the process and team members from each department could give feedback on improvements they think would help.

12:30 I heard analysis of LOTR and characters of Gandalf and Saruma specifically making point that reason former was better than latter is that while Saruman only dealt with great of this world that actually isolated him, Gandalf had connection with little of this world that actually build it, because he understood that great things are made of small things and small people.

i don’t even trust Lane Keep Assist while i’m in traffic. my favorite feature is Active Cruise Control. my right calf is twice the size of my left from driving all day, and that one thing helps a ton.

Keep in mind that the fsd performance we see on these reviews that were specially tuned for these reviewers is still terrible. Let that sink in...

It's false advertising no matter what your product is. Public safety is also relevant. Like say you spend 90% of your "processing" to track the route of someone who spends like most of their driving on the freeway, and you try to relate that data into driving in the suburbs, and the car won't be able to handle whatever data it sees when a kid follows a ball into the road. This is stupid at best, but dangerous to the core. Especially because it's obviously done to promote their product and have more users use it.

Many years ago a phone company re-prioritised mobile network cells in the CBD of Sydney Australia just so I could test a GPRS modem from my office without it constantly cell hopping. Special treatment is definitely a thing across the board.

pretty sure this falls under truth-in-advertising laws, because misleading advertisement is clearly teslas intention

Well, this confirms my thoughts on Elon even more.

8:45 - And what's worse -- is they can just detect patterns and categorize as "generic travel" and "awkward travel" such as if somebody is driving in loops, driving out/back, taking odd exists and then getting back on highway, going to parking lot and then not entering the store. This data can then be aggregated and then paired to the car, tesla account, and then friends/associates of that tesla account -- and then the tesla account personal info. This is essentially a DEFEAT device for external review. And i almost 100% guarantee they do this.

Honestly, that's just something I always assumed they did. Try to give reviewers the absolute best one they had and the best experience they could. Cause me as a viewer, if I see a reviewer has a problem with a product, I just imagine I'm going to see that problem ten fold.

This absolutely does not surprise me. Tesla has been incredibly skeevy for **years** now. I can’t even get into how skeevy because of reasons, but just know that however skeevy you think the skeevier-than-average company is, they are at least triple that.

That is called P-hacking!

If I get a few FPS less than somebody in an article on CPU, I'll maybe be sad. If I might lose my life because I'm not going on "influencer road" and the safety feature isn't ready, that is (even tough a bit exaggerated) basically playing with somebodys life for a bit more sales.

Oh please. It's called advertising, every single company has been doing it for as long as companies have existed. The solution is not MORE regulation, and almost never is.

15:07 that's a really great tip, but I feel like one thing is missing: When you read the credits, don't try to read all the names, you're gonna quite literally miss the bigger picture (which is also the poinLinus is making) if you do! Instead, read which JOBS those names did and look at how many names it took to get that job done. You'll find that the acting cast, screenwriters and director/producers only make up like 1% of a Hollywood movie's staff! Even the special effects and CGI/post production crews are rather small compared to all the support staff needed for the logistics behind the scenes of making the movie and distributing the final product!

Been so busy lately my head is spinning, and it's making me realize that I don't think everyone realizes how hard it is to run a company like LMG, or any company that has employees really. Anyway, have fun and do what you love, don't just do it for the RU-vid revenue!

That's why you need people like Project Farm that doesn't take sponsors and buys the stuff himself

“Further and further away management is…” explains the Boeing situation so much, management is in Chicago instead of in Seattle where the design is happening

Side note: business insider has some great content on their channel. A few of their shows that my son and I enjoy are, so expensive, still standing, worldwide waste. My son is 12 and it's the first thing he wants to watch on RU-vid. Fun stuff

Is it just me, or does the conversation about that flow chart and communication standards sound really interesting?

I own a Tesla but I can’t stand Elons bullshit

Biased training is already an issue, now making AGI driven class society wasn't in my Dystopia Bingo before.

Been rocking Full Self Driving. It's fantastic. Very rarely do I need to intervene. True the marketing/naming may be a bit over generous but it is full self driving. Just not 100% fully autonomous, you do need to be there as a fail safe.

It was known a long time ago that Tesla has testers that specifically map routes typically taken by early access

"How can you think..." more-or-less the same way as "How would you think that a company would detect you're doing an exhaust gas check and change the engine characteristics". Because they can.

Honestly all that's really needed to fix this is DISCLOSURE. There's logical reasoning that can be given for why these things are being done, the problem is that when people don't know that Elon and influencers are getting a better than average experience, then they're essentially being lied to. Tesla just needs to AGGRESSIVELY tell customers that this is the case, then customers are not purchasing based on incorrect perceptions.

Thats a form of false advertising. We have laws, use them

It took me about a month to be comfortable with FSD. I am glad it was already on the car when I bought it since it is was used.

Oh cool, they got into value stream mapping at the end!

Tesla's FSD is definitely being marketed with lies, but the experience seems to vary *wildly* I watched a whole video in real time of CGP Grey using autopilot on a moderately difficult road that had pretty limited traffic and it handled it really, really well for the most part. It's *unlikely* this was trained in advance because it was a spontaneous type of video. Equally though I've seen it really struggle in situations that really aren't that complex from a human standpoint and it had to be overridden way too much. Clearly it's a complex issue, and it's a genuinely great idea, but the marketing for it is just brutally disingenuous

It is not the vehicle itself, nor the product, nor a golden sample, none of that. It is similar to Google maps, rich areas of wealthy neighborhoods of millionaire people have greater detail and are updated more frequently to make that application more functional for that specific market. In this case, areas frequented by influencers, millionaires and wherever Elon Musk usually daily travels, the autopilot system will work better, by software, not because the influencers' car is special, more attention is paid to fine-tuning details in those areas.

I've heard of this happening within a car company before, but it was aimed in house. Imagine a car with custom transmission shift programming and seam welded reinforcements getting a project approved. That's a very different thing from this however, as i doubt those executives were out there making inaccurate product claims based on that ringer. This is different in that it approaches the point where a false advertising claim is plausible. The counter argument would be that this is common practice for everyone, just not usually applied to software. High profile owners get their own sales channels, their own repair expectations, free car loaners, free trackdays, you name it.

Musk occasionally does a demo to show off the assisted driving features, so in that sense he's effectively just one of the "influencers" whose routes have been given special attention, because it's one of the routes seen by the public and the media when he records those videos.

Next video “Linus buys Lab’s a Tesla”

@13:30 I feel you guys, I am going to be explaining the Engineering Change Control Process that my company uses at a high level to my design team tomorrow. You can have truly brilliant individuals on a team but you will still have blind spots.

I would buy that workflow chart as a poster

Beyond the issue of creating the false since of reliability. This shows their data is not anonymous. If they can prioritize influencer data, they would have to know whose data is whose. This is a major security issue that is being overlooked.

here's an interesting thing, in australia it would be considered misleading marketing which is prosecuted as "dishonest dealings". Though tesla can breath easy, our government rarely does anything anti business anymore

i remember gacha games doing similar, where influencers would get extremely good RNG, and they wouldn't even know it was rigged. Different to games like crossout where they actually just give a ton of virtual money to youtubers so that they get boosted into having interesting gameplay

Tesla has been misrepresenting their entire business for its entire history with Elon people have such short memories

As someone who believes FSD is the best approach yet so far, E2E data pipeline and all that jazz, this bambozzlement pisses me off to no end. Only way to flip them off is to have random owners shoot video all over the country, which is not going to happen any time soon.

I think there needs to be some revision of the workflow, it seems like there are too many direct steps from start to finish.

While you make many valid points, on the point of prioritizing routes for Elon\Influencers, it's not about finetuning specific routes, but addressing key problem areas. - CEO is essentially their lead engineer (extremely weird, but he often on the floor with the coders). - FSD requires Quality Data, the specific influencers and Elon, cited specific problems for AI and are known for their quality data. At least one of the influencers cites Tesla testing the specific difficult turn noted as "chucks left turn", so this has been known for a while.

FSD 12 has been really good for my daily driving. I’m not an influencer

Matt Farah, a car journalism and RU-vidr as been saying the same stuff!! And people are just calling him a Elon hater as well...

Linus calling me out for going to movie theaters recently lol

Like with most laws surrounding cars, self driving will likely be written in blood if at all, weve seen some of it with the lane hold and people sleeping behind the wheel during commutes

Why wouldn’t someone like MKHD assume Tesla engineers were optimizing FSD for his personal routes. He already got his Model S repaired faster due to his influencer status. Ive personally tried FSD on my Model 3 and its obviously not ready for primetime on local roads.

Illegal no unethical hell yeah!

Most “FSD Influencers”on here were beta testers, Tesla vetted these people to allow them to have FSD originally. So I’m ok with Tesla giving their data higher priority since they most often stress test their cars. Look up Chuck’s unprotected left and you’ll see why Tesla wants to use his data…..

You never know if companies are actually doing this

Unrelated but I've been watching LTT since the beginning and WAN show as well and I think Linus needs to let Luke drive more and speak more. At most he gets to say something that doesn't get replied to or gets interrupted

It’s completely insane that Tesla is still even a company given the quality of their product, anti-consumer and worker practices and their batshit CEO. Every major automaker has surpassed them in EVs at this point, and it’s just a matter of time before their investors realize it’s over.

Remember everyone Linus is not suicidal

Its not different than the food ads you see on tv and commercials, so you go to the restaurant and order the thing you saw in the commercial and its completely different. Its a sad, broken down, nasty looking version of what you saw on the commercial. But these companies are still allowed to show these commercials of rainbows and unicorn farts as amazing, yet what you get in reality is a meth laden version of it.

Business Insider isn't a real publication. Elon said this to a woman from there. That talk he did via video call because he had his son's graduation the next day.

I say make channels for individuals projects, then just move those channels around departments, I don't know how hard that would be though, and it likely has issues too

Linus, please go try FSD 12.5 and then come back. FSD is not perfect but it’s getting there

The best case scenario is that channels like AI DRIVR stress-test the system on more challenging roads than other drivers do, so their data is more likely to be valuable. This actually seems pretty likely to me because these RU-vidrs don't take the same routes every video; they definitely don't take the same routes they drive on a daily basis, either. I don't think giving their data a heavier weight would do much to tailor FSD to their area given how diverse one person's "area" can be. Hopefully it's just a matter of finding the data from these RU-vidrs' tests more valuable.

Modern carmakers, Tesla in particular make me want to buy the simplest car of 2000s where the only assists are Traction Control and ABS and the only convenience is AC and automated windows. I hate this tech sh*t in cars so god damn much.

Definitely deceptive and not surprising. Every version since early beta has had a consistent 100% failure rate at an intersection by my house, ironically 50 feet away from a Tesla showroom, where it takes the wrong lane and tries to merge at the last second over a solid line (illegally). I've reported it at least 100 times and every "rewrite", "new stack", "new neural net", etc they've delivered has had no improvement whatsoever. I always suspected, with the level of improvement observed on RU-vidr routes, that something fishy was going on. Edit: clarified "early beta" - have had since FSD beta version 9

Lool quoting Business Insider is WILD

That means Louis Rossmann is chaufered to and from work😂😂😂😂

6:28 > Tesla manually optimizes FSD for known test routes of influencers and reviewers > Chat: _"HoLd ThE iNfLuEnCeRs AcCoUnTaBLe!"_ 🤡 Why are people so freaking stupid??? Why do they always blame anyone BUT the big tech corporation that created the problem in the first place?!! 🤦‍♂️ It's also the same story with issues regarding privacy, user experience, quality, repairability, ownership and sustainability. I don't get it! It's almost as if people WANT to only be sold products that: - spy on them, - advertise to them, - restrict them to only using it how the manufacturer intended, rather than how the user needed it to work, - have critical design and manufacturing flaws and - are rigged to be unrepairable in the likely case something breaks, - are rigged to be barely usable without an extra paid subscription and - are rigged to become fully unusable whenever the manufacturer decides to no longer support them! What the fu*k is wrong with people?!!🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Should LTT videos have credits in the end, like for more important videos or metavideos about LTT itself?

Yo… y’all need to link the article when doing stories.

Yes, where do these high-profile people live? Highly populated areas and best bang for the buck for outcome. More people driving, having a better outcome than those roads that get 10cars a day.

Expectation: The car will be safer for influencers Reality: The car will be even less safe for influencers because Elon is out to get them for their Twitter takes💀

I mean this is par for the course with any tech company, no?

probably the reason he is moving tesla to texas to get a tax break and avoid the law and avoid labor laws for workers.

My dads tesla still helped him get off the highway while having a minor stroke during rush our. This happened in the Netherlands, in 2020. Saved his life. So still worth every € spend on FSD.

Upload that diagram it looks so interesting

Like gacha games where game influencer promotes their games and internally boost the rates so that influencer gets better experience

Remember the good old days when graphics card drivers would optimize to get higher framerates on benchmarking and certain games? What's the difference with FSD? Most drives want to get safely from point A to point B and back again safely and FSD that performs perfect makes a bad video. Influencers work hard to find the repeatable "edge cases" that make for a good video. When the errors get fixed, they move on to find the next one. This seems like free bug chasing. I drive FSD on occasion and it's so good for my type use that it's boring. I daily drive (rush hours) the most dangerous stretch of road in my state (US 19 Pinellas county FL). In conclusion, it seems like you're missing the point, if an influencer makes 5 videos in a row of a Tesla failing a certain route, after the software fixes that issue, the influencer is not going to make videos in perpetuity of the car performing well on that route, they will move on to the next bug.

5:58, that was just uncalled for. That was just immature. No reason to insult your audience and fans. Linus cannot take any criticism. They do complain about Elon, every since he bought Twitter. Lots of the criticism towards him, was unwarranted. It's 1 thing to complain about something like this. But it's another to complain about how he want's free speech.

Golden Roads

I did the self driving trial and it sucked lmao

if more companies showed properly how things cost so much I think people would be more inclined to pay asking prices for stuff. Doesn't have to be a dollar for dollar. But I feel trust me bro we put soooooo much time and money into this. How do we the consumer really know until after we have wasted out money that the item is a cheap chinesium dumpsterfire of an item. Not accusing LTT of anything like this, one of the benefits of the LMG is they can show how they make their bits and bobs