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Modern Formula 1 engines are engineering marvels that can produce over 1,000 horsepower from just 1.6 liters of displacement. Relying on technologies such as turbocharging, and a hybrid-electric powertrain (MGU-H and MGU-K), another fascinating element of these engines is their lack of traditional valve springs. First introduced by Renault in the Lotus 98T driven by Ayrton Senna and Johnny Dumfries, pneumatic valve springs have allowed F1 engines to rev higher, make more power, and are still in use today. In this video, we’ll explore why they were invented, how they work, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of their use.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:03 Traditional Valve Springs Explained
02:08 Turbo F1 Car History
03:05 Problems with Traditional Valve Springs
04:55 Renault’s EF15 Engine, Lotus 98T
05:50 How Pneumatic Valve Springs Work
09:10 Progressive Spring Rate Explained
11:21 Drawbacks of Pneumatic Valve Springs
12:46 Outro
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@snakeoilaudio
@snakeoilaudio Месяц назад
You missed the most important point. The resonance frequency. It is easy to build a non-linear spring, and the time that springs break is long gone. You can see it in modern motorcycles 16.000 rpm is not a problem at all and these engines run easily for 40.000km without failure. The problem with larger displacements is that the valves get bigger and therefore naturally heavier, so you must increase the spings force, but by stiffening the spring you increase their resonance frequency to higher rpm so the springs starts to resonate when it really counts at high rpm. You can still overcome this effect to a degree by using two springs with different spring forces. There are roadcars that use this method. The 1st series of Golf GTI is such an example. The fun thing with the gas spring is that it has basically no mass and it can't resonate, or at least not in a rev range where it matters.
@snakeoilaudio
@snakeoilaudio Месяц назад
oh that's interresting too. Do you know that when Toyota was active in F1 they even tested Desmotronic for their F1 engines. At the end they decided against Desmo but they played around with it. You can see a prototype in their facility in Cologne, Germany.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Yes, today's springs and metallurgy are much more advanced than back in the 80s, so the statement about breaking springs was in context of the F1 cars back then. They had some issues with springs breaking due to fatigue as well as heat but you are definitely correct that resonance can cause a spring failure also. I sort of glossed over this with the mention of valve bounce and resonance effects, but perhaps could have put more time into discussing resonance as a whole and it being a cause of total failure. I try to keep my videos easy to understand for a general audience and I wasn't sure I could get into this without the video becoming too long/too advanced for the average person. I didn't know that about Toyota playing around with Desmodromic valves, very interesting stuff! Thanks very much for the comment and for watching!
@vladimirzimonja8103
@vladimirzimonja8103 7 дней назад
Great solution. I know how 2 and 4 stroke combustion engines work but i didn't know about spring resonance and floating. Using a tank of nitrogen is great idea. For a race car. The regulator reminded me of the one i used on my airbrush compressor that my old man made out of a fridge compressor,a tank,valves,connectors,and most important,the regulator. It was the one with a glass lower part with a spring that sealed it when the compressor made enough pressure with of course enough strength to push the round plate down and seal it. We live we learn. Great video.
@Birb_of_Judge
@Birb_of_Judge Месяц назад
As a Miata driver, feel called out. Also as you are are reading this I'm trying to figure out how to put pneumatic valve springs into said Miata
@alexjohnward
@alexjohnward Месяц назад
Find a cosworth V10 to put in there!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
It's ok, I'm a fellow Miata enjoyer 😉 So if you ever get it working in your car let me know haha
@Birb_of_Judge
@Birb_of_Judge Месяц назад
@@themotorsportstory haha, First I'll try with regular springs. Until I Win the lottery, then I'll have a solution custom made. (And probably a few sets so others can enjoy it too
@sirhcsuiris
@sirhcsuiris Месяц назад
@@Birb_of_Judge Just like my Mini S, the AC off button is the sport mode.
@Birb_of_Judge
@Birb_of_Judge Месяц назад
@@sirhcsuiris my Miata doesn't even have ac 😂
@nickpappas4133
@nickpappas4133 Месяц назад
As a an automotive technician that was an excellent explanation.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Much appreciated, thank you!
@joshlewis5065
@joshlewis5065 Месяц назад
I wish pneumatic valve springs were more common. They are so effective. They are used in MotoGP (Except Ducati) as well as F1. The MotoGP bikes have a small, probably carbon, tank and small compressor that pressurizes the valves. I'd love to see one of the new Dart Block 2JZ engines paired with a pneumatic valve head ran by timing gears. That could easily rev to over 15k. Joel Grannas money shifted his orange Supra and hit 12k, and everything was fine. It was a billet 2JZ though.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt Месяц назад
So for a road car the advantage is that I can ramp up the pressure with RPM? If you don’t race with displacement regulations, going above 12k gives you no power.
@9rjharper
@9rjharper Месяц назад
He is talking about race engines though. Or at least fun, fast street car engines. Dart is a manufacturer of aftermarket, high performance engine parts. And people enjoy trying new things and tinkering with machines. Increased rpm will give any displacement engine that can handle it and is designed for it, more horsepower. So even without a displacement rule, you can make more hp.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt Месяц назад
@@9rjharper flame front needs time to travel. Friction losses rise. Race cars don’t have torque converters, and shifts in a corner may send you flying. So pilots like the flexibility to rev beyond max power.
@silentbobfan32
@silentbobfan32 Месяц назад
there is still the problem of piston speed. the average speed of a piston cant go above about 60mph, even in formula 1 engines. that is why they have such short strokes, down around 2" or 50mm to rev to 15k
@silentbobfan32
@silentbobfan32 Месяц назад
​@@ArneChristianRosenfeldtlots of race cars have torque converters, and torque converters work fine with high rpm if they are built with that in mind, just look at what mclarren is doing with thier "single speed" supercar, which basically just uses a specially built torque converter as the transmission to go from 0mph to 250mph with 0 shifts. these engines are also tuned to male power until very high in the rev range, and because of the short stroke they lose less to friction than youd expect. flame front travel speed is also a bit of a myth in a highly tuned engine, the flame kernel is used to make a spike in pressure and cause the rest of the cylinder to burn at nearly the same time through what is esentially controlled detonation, similar to a diesel but using the spark plug to control the pressure spike rather than pure cylinder pressure and temperature
@jackt883
@jackt883 Месяц назад
Cracking video with the perfect amount of details. 😀
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Much appreciated, thank you!
@georgekaiafas950
@georgekaiafas950 Месяц назад
somebody get this man views 🙏🙏🙏
@georgekaiafas950
@georgekaiafas950 Месяц назад
seriously this is awesome
@kwisin1337
@kwisin1337 Месяц назад
Yes it is, share it with your group.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Haha thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@PANTHERBURNS
@PANTHERBURNS 14 дней назад
Yeah this channel rules.
@themetalslayer2260
@themetalslayer2260 Месяц назад
that's why, once, during the Monza GP, BMW managed to reach 21000 rpm....during 3 laps (during the early 2000's) It works, it works perfectly but...better be gentle with it or your rear tyres will lock at 350kph (that's what happened to one of the Williams BMW pilots during this race, when his engine decided to quit the race...after 3 laps)
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Ouch😂
@markhatch1267
@markhatch1267 26 дней назад
Just discovered your channel. Nice job on pneumatic valve springs. Looking forward to your presentations of other motorsport technologies.
@rideshareog
@rideshareog 29 дней назад
Great video. Quality content, well edited.
@bowieinc
@bowieinc Месяц назад
What a great video! Excited to look through your catalog.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks so much! Hope you find something else you enjoy too! I cover technical stuff like this but also have some videos more focused on history.
@jtuttle11
@jtuttle11 Месяц назад
He forgot to mention that like all metals, Valve springs have a 'Resonant Frequency' at which they begin to feedback the energy and fail. It also takes a specific time for the valve springs to do their job which limits the RPM they can achieve. The solution is being explored by Konesigegg with their 'Free Valve' engine which completely eliminates the camshaft and al other components of the Valve Train.
@AndriusKamarauskas
@AndriusKamarauskas 6 дней назад
And yet they failed to release product to the market ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@jahblessin3996
@jahblessin3996 16 дней назад
Thanks for posting this video I’ve been trying to get a clear explanation on this for about a year now.
@manuelmayr8831
@manuelmayr8831 29 дней назад
Very good content, thx for the video 👍
@dannymac6368
@dannymac6368 Месяц назад
Wonderful explanation, thank you kindly! 👊🏼
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks so much!
@imtheonevanhalen1557
@imtheonevanhalen1557 29 дней назад
It was the mass of the valve spring that was eliminated, and they were massive to even try to keep timing geometry correct.
@jingorooroad2559
@jingorooroad2559 12 дней назад
First introduced by Renault in the Lotus. To be more precised, a Matra and Renault invention. Because this invention is stock and displayed in the Matra museum in France. Back then Matra was still this amazing engineering compagny, which had a great competitions history. Often forgotten nowadays. Matra had the advantages, to work in so many types of industries, which allowed them very excellent engineering in different domains.
@7spower998
@7spower998 Месяц назад
Awesome content and engineering theory!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@craigversheck7835
@craigversheck7835 Месяц назад
Very cool, great video!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thank you!
@fromgermany271
@fromgermany271 Месяц назад
There is also a natural limit for steel springs. Stronger ones are heavier and so add mass to the valve they need to move. More mass -> more force needed -> bigger spring. Until you reach the limit. Also coil springs resonate. That’s the reason why you often see a large spring with a small one inside. They have different resonance frequencies and together both resonance peaks flatten out. Gas just behaves more ideal than bend iron. 😂
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
That's exactly it! Gas does just behave much better for this application😂
@fauxvier8519
@fauxvier8519 Месяц назад
This is one of thise rare instances where reinventing the wheel actually happened and suceeded.
@jamesmccaul2945
@jamesmccaul2945 Месяц назад
Good stuff!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace Месяц назад
With a reasonably large accumulation volume, you can also have "constant rate" pneumatic springs.
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 Месяц назад
Or at least "near constant rate".
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Yes you could get close to "constant" with a large enough volume
@robertmatthews4285
@robertmatthews4285 Месяц назад
You skipped over whole aspect of pneumatic valve springs. Due to the geometry of how cam lobes open the valve, the power required to operate the cam as it moves thru opening the valve is almost perfectly inverse to the power required operate the valve.
@MrEdmr2
@MrEdmr2 Месяц назад
Nice video, good animation. But why is there a rocker arm in the animation when the camshaft is directly above the valves?
@9rjharper
@9rjharper Месяц назад
It’s a follower. A lot of overhead cam engines use followers like shown in the animation.
@9rjharper
@9rjharper Месяц назад
Among other things, they allow a higher (or lower depending on the location) lift ratio than you can get with the cam directly over the valve.
@MrEdmr2
@MrEdmr2 Месяц назад
I understand, but in motorsport you want to eliminate as much moving parts (and weight) as possible, so it doesnt make sense especcialy when youre trying to chase high rpm’s.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it! The reply from 9rjharper is correct.
@kwisin1337
@kwisin1337 Месяц назад
Great presentation. Keep it up
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks so much!
@milfordh.mercado2787
@milfordh.mercado2787 Месяц назад
🤯🤯🤯 omg that is extraordinary to think such an incredible idea came (renault of all teams) by dumping springs for pneumatic has completely changed f1 forever i must congratulate you tms in making this video and have a great day bye now😊.
@BurningmonkeyGTR
@BurningmonkeyGTR Месяц назад
You say Renault of all teams, but you have to remember that Renault invented the turbocharger, supercharger, driveshaft and mass damper, introduced the turbo in F1, have won many titles as an engine supplier and 2 as a constructor, and won the first ever grand prix
@milfordh.mercado2787
@milfordh.mercado2787 Месяц назад
@BurningmonkeyGTR oops i forgot how innovative renault was in history and one more thing to say is do you know of renault van with f1 engine.
@BurningmonkeyGTR
@BurningmonkeyGTR Месяц назад
@@milfordh.mercado2787 you mean the Espace F1?
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks as always for watching!
@milfordh.mercado2787
@milfordh.mercado2787 Месяц назад
@themotorsportstory 😃😃😃 A big thanks to you sir as usual wanting for part 2 of odd race cars in the future bye now.
@VashSpiegel
@VashSpiegel Месяц назад
The base spring perch also needs reinforcement with higher rates. The pneumatic setup does not need it.
@ludovicchauvin6979
@ludovicchauvin6979 12 дней назад
Interesting video there. But you don t say how much max rpm this new technology allowed Renault engines running in 1986. It would be an interesting fact to compare with other engine suppliers at the time it was introduced.
@xaviergonzalez5828
@xaviergonzalez5828 Месяц назад
Thank you so much, bro! Best video ever about valves...
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 29 дней назад
What if one would use Progressive wound springs when tuning a standard engine? This is an INSANE idea!
@alphawolf9150
@alphawolf9150 16 дней назад
What's about the desmodromic engine from Ducati? Wouldn't it work for F1 too? Or any racecar?
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 20 дней назад
Who knows? We might even see some solenoid actuators that function as valve springs, camshafts, and rocker arms to the point of replacing all three simultaneously, similar to what Koenigsegg is doing with its freevalve technology.
@woodhonky3890
@woodhonky3890 Месяц назад
I would love to know more about the seals. Are they lubricated somehow?
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
To be honest, I couldn't find much info on this. I did find a few sources describing how it is difficult to keep oil out of them, so it's possible that engine oil might lubricate them, but I'm not 100% sure. Also possible they have their own lubricant
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski Месяц назад
someday someone will come up with a clean two stroke engine architecture and then F1 power will double and F1 cars will sound absolutely insane. if you think petrol engines are going to be replaced by electric anytime soon then I've got a bridge to sell you too.
@dpenduro8950
@dpenduro8950 Месяц назад
I hope so I’m a huge fan of all different style 2 strokes especially rotary valved 2 strokes
@joshtheking1772
@joshtheking1772 Месяц назад
They fill them with Nitrogen because its non corrosive to the seal compound and Nitrogen Molecules are larger than Oxygen Molecules so they can't get past the seal tolerances easily.
@thinfourth
@thinfourth Месяц назад
marine 2 strokes which run at less then 100rpm also use pneumatic valve springs
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Interesting, didn't know that! Thanks for sharing!
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 Месяц назад
Poppet valves on a two stroke?
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
@gothicpagan.666 I'm interested to know more as well. I've never seen a two stroke with poppet valves but I'm not as familiar with the world of two strokes in general.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Doing some searching I found this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WFity0Tc1js.htmlsi=Narkbr3DkLltdbWx Looks like they're used on an exhaust valve on this marine engine. Fascinating!
@thinfourth
@thinfourth Месяц назад
@@themotorsportstory RTA-flex goes further and has binned the camshaft for opening the exhaust valves
@woodhonky3890
@woodhonky3890 Месяц назад
Perfect sound effect at 3:15
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
😂
@carlsberg1668
@carlsberg1668 Месяц назад
I honestly had no idea this was a thing. Iv only heard of koenigseggs innovation to valves
@craigbrown5359
@craigbrown5359 Месяц назад
Great stuff
@sirhcsuiris
@sirhcsuiris Месяц назад
I just want to say I appreciate your video titles. You give a vague hook followed by exactly what you're going to explain. Clickbaiters should learn from this.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks, I really appreciate this as it's exactly what I'm trying to do! The way RU-vid works, you have to hook people in with something or your video won't get any views, but it's never my intention to deceive anybody or bait them with something that isn't actually in the video.
@marcusmohorco380
@marcusmohorco380 Месяц назад
Courtesy comment for an excellent video!
@antondizxinzo
@antondizxinzo Месяц назад
Why they didn’t use rotary valves? Gretings✌🏻
@thiswillprobhrt
@thiswillprobhrt Месяц назад
Friction\heat and sealing difficulties...
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 Месяц назад
Was it not Brian Hart that was first to ditch valve springs in favour on pneumatic valve control
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 Месяц назад
No, in fact I remember his brother telling me they had managed to rev to 15,000rpm with conventional springs, which he thought might be a record.
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 Месяц назад
@@rogerking7258 Sounds a bit optimistic. Were talking late 70's early 80's here. 420R would run out of breath by 11.5k even with those 328 Deg cams that Kent? came out with in the late 80's Never had my hands on a 415T, though they were only good for 680ish brake in the Shadow. Wish Brian had wrighten a book, all that knowledge and great stories now lost😞
@easybuckets9740
@easybuckets9740 Месяц назад
Im not sure if your theory about gas is completely correct, that you can just assume that one side of the equation has very small variations and can be set as a constant, because as pressure increases so does temperature and vice versa when decompressing. Setting temperature as a constant throughout the cycle of compression and decompression would completely disregard this fact. Its basically disregarding mechanical work that happends when you compress a chamber of gas but im not sure how this impacts the equation and how the valve is pressing against the camshaft over its travel
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thanks for the comment! You're absolutely correct that the temperature will change. The assumption wasn't made to ignore that fact but more to simplify the equation to a point where it could be compared to a regular spring which only has the variables of spring force and distance of compression or extension; which can be compared to pressure and volume of the pneumatic spring. Regardless of the temperature changing, the progressive curve will still be there, it just might look more flat or more sloped depending on what the numbers work out to. I probably could have done a better job of justifying the assumptions in the video, but the main idea was to illustrate that progressive curve in as simple of a way as possible for people who might not have much of an understanding of math or physics.
@easybuckets9740
@easybuckets9740 28 дней назад
@@themotorsportstory Actually when I took a closer look at the numbers it seems like the pressure will increase more exponentially when you have temperature as variable so the original calculation actually underestimates the effect. Anyways, great video and thanks for the answer!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory 27 дней назад
@@easybuckets9740 Interesting! Thanks for looking into that and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
@user-kw7zb8qw1u
@user-kw7zb8qw1u Месяц назад
Yup variable Timing n kinetic energy and 1600 kw n sodium filled valves springless pneumatic gas for cooling 200 degrees cooler
@MH-ev3wr
@MH-ev3wr Месяц назад
Good video, but don't apologize for the "complex math". It isn't, and if people don't get it, too bad. I honestly didn't realize that this was the level of simplicity that Renault had come up with. I thought that the opening of each valve was controlled with a pneumatic solenoid rather than just replacing the spring. I thought with a pneumatic solenoid the benefits would be major: 1. INFINITE valve timing all adjustable with computer, and 2. Simplified engine design with no camshaft requirement.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! I'm not positive but I believe that F1 cars can't have variable valve timing per the rules which might be why there is no computer control.
@rustywater3219
@rustywater3219 Месяц назад
Wouldn't spring compression energy be given back when it expands?
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 Месяц назад
Yes, in theory, but in reality you're also dealing with increased friction which will lead to an energy loss, plus severely increased wear on the rubbing surfaces of cam and follower.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Roger's reply nailed it! I probably could have made this more clear in the video, but was trying to keep everything at a relatively elementary level.
@9rjharper
@9rjharper Месяц назад
Besides what the other person explained, the valve train also has inertia, so when the cam is on the closing side of the lobe, the valve spring isn’t push back with as much force as it was when opening. If you know what valve float is, imagine that (except not necessarily to the extent of being completely off the lobe).
@koiyujo1543
@koiyujo1543 20 дней назад
but wait why isn't this kind of technology being used in cars? are they just too expensive or more complex than the simple spring valves?
@cjgordon22
@cjgordon22 Месяц назад
Makes me wonder how honda and other motorcycle manufacturer had engines in the 90s that reved to 18-20k
@thiswillprobhrt
@thiswillprobhrt Месяц назад
Less valvetrain inertia.
@thanoskoutoulas5939
@thanoskoutoulas5939 Месяц назад
Rx8 mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
🔻
@thomaslindroos1667
@thomaslindroos1667 19 дней назад
So why not just use progressive valve springs. I understand it still has the other flaws but wouldnt a progressive spring be better than a linear?
@williampark8480
@williampark8480 Месяц назад
Why not use Desmodromic valve train?
@nemesis91101
@nemesis91101 26 дней назад
Bro just like, use nitrous oxide for the valve spring gas so if it leaks the engine can be like "Oh this is fine"
@Davidkxf
@Davidkxf 29 дней назад
Had these in marine engines for 40 years
@stephenhans189
@stephenhans189 27 дней назад
❤❤
@maestrovso
@maestrovso 28 дней назад
When you get stranded on the side of the road because the nitrogen tank is depleted, that is when you truly ran out of gas.
@R2_D3
@R2_D3 25 дней назад
Pneumatic Valve -Springs- 😉
@ridhobaihaqi144
@ridhobaihaqi144 6 дней назад
Koenigsegg: freevalve. Renault: pneumatic-spring valve.
@user-kw7zb8qw1u
@user-kw7zb8qw1u Месяц назад
Running 600 degrees chts but with sodium filled valves goes down to 400 etc 420
@xristosxenos9806
@xristosxenos9806 14 дней назад
Desmo spring the best
@mickl8212
@mickl8212 28 дней назад
Desmodromic valves would do away with the need for a nitrogen tank. There's no spring with this system either.
@user-kw7zb8qw1u
@user-kw7zb8qw1u Месяц назад
Nitrogen in frame n tires etc
@velko2433
@velko2433 28 дней назад
And funny thing after all this is all human kind wants to see v8 and v10 back in f1
@Lethargesic
@Lethargesic Месяц назад
Here is the problem with F1. Due to the rev cap there is very little reason to spend money on the engine top-end. Otherwise we could possibly see the koenisegg “freevalve” tech in f1 engines.
@ca5ualm3dia
@ca5ualm3dia Месяц назад
show me MAGNETIC VALVES :P
@jimmuo9286
@jimmuo9286 7 часов назад
Why not use the Ducati valve train?
@bawehjerox5030
@bawehjerox5030 Месяц назад
I thought the "most advanced and technological engines in the world" would use fully electronic valves instead of mechanical (well OK, pneumatic) ones, so they would have full control on the valve timings for all the driving situations they encounter. Not reliable enough ? Not fast enough for F1 engine speeds ? Not worth it ?
@clintonsmith9931
@clintonsmith9931 26 дней назад
For how long does these engines running at 15000 rpm last. If lucky to the of the race. Most layman do not realize that all “race” engines are not expected to last 100 tho miles or 200 tho miles. In other words metal breaks, just a matter when. I’ll stick to my ole Honda put, put.
@azmartin1977
@azmartin1977 Месяц назад
I believe renault were able to reach over 20000 rpm in testing.
@13thdukeofwybourne69
@13thdukeofwybourne69 Месяц назад
There was an _entire_ era in F1 between 1989 and 2006 when _most_ of the V10 engines span up to around 20,000 rpm in qualifying trim. I would say it was the peak F1 engine era. The F1 regulatory body killed them off. The Bastards.
@Druwoods
@Druwoods Месяц назад
I would glady top off with n2 every tank of fuel if 18,000rpm was the payoff.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
😂 I commend the dedication
@malakiblunt
@malakiblunt Месяц назад
F1 valve trains dont use rocker arms ! like all modern overhead cam engines they use cam buckets - esentialy pressing directly down on the valves -
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Some of them do/did. Here's a paper showing some of Honda's designs that incorporated them. Referred to as "finger-followers" www.f1-forecast.com/pdf/F1-Files/Honda/F1-SP2_09e.pdf Here's a video of a former F1 engineer going over the parts of the design that includes a finger-follower: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pZGhG_431nI.html Again, my animation was based on a combination of different design diagrams I could find, some F1, some MotoGP bikes
@jkim6200
@jkim6200 Месяц назад
Great video. However, (more) attention should have been given to the Renault 3.5Liter v10 (RS2 more than the RS1) that made the technology staple. Please keep in mind that it was during this period that John Barnards 639/640 ushered in the semi-automatic gearbox with paddle shifters and electromagnetic clitch.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Glad you liked the video! Interesting info on the semi-automatic gearbox origins!
@simontist
@simontist Месяц назад
Trabant drivers feeling under-represented..
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
😂 I love the Trabant, such a strange and unique little car. The channel "Aging Wheels" here on RU-vid has some great vids on his.
@damag3plan
@damag3plan Месяц назад
Great vid! I'm amazed pneumatic valves haven't got the attention they deserved over the years. They're comparable to ground effects as far as their importance to the sport in my stoned opinion 🤔
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thank you! Yeah, there isn't much info out there on them by comparison which might be one reason. I suppose F1 teams don't want to give out too much design info
@markotrieste
@markotrieste 29 дней назад
Another technology that could not be transferred to everyday cars, making racing every year less useful.
@TheJademan85
@TheJademan85 Месяц назад
Rotary valves.
@jonv.6213
@jonv.6213 11 дней назад
I was just about to mention those
@vica153
@vica153 Месяц назад
Spring force explanation made no sense.
@psk5746
@psk5746 Месяц назад
There is no need for the rocker in your schematics
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
No it's not necessarily needed if I had shown a traditional hydraulic bucket-type lifter instead. But many F1 cars use a finger-follower (rocker arm) design, so I figured I would add it.
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 Месяц назад
@@themotorsportstory Agreed!
@user-oo6lm1un6m
@user-oo6lm1un6m Месяц назад
It is called a finger-follower and yes it is needed. Without it the cam-lobe would put unnecessary side-load on the valve stem. All F1 and MotoGP engines that run pneumatic valve-trains use finger-followers. You can’t run this system without it.
@9rjharper
@9rjharper Месяц назад
A lot of valve trains use followers. They also allow different lift ratios (and you can even change the profile of the follower to change valve event timing slightly).
@jpcaretta8847
@jpcaretta8847 Месяц назад
SPEAK METRIC, dont insult the eng who designed it and confuse the WORLD !
@cx34r
@cx34r Месяц назад
More like mechanical abominations.
@ManOfSex256
@ManOfSex256 Месяц назад
This is super interesting, great video!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Месяц назад
Thank you!
@richardcrouse9074
@richardcrouse9074 Месяц назад
Keoneggseg?
@craigbrown5359
@craigbrown5359 Месяц назад
Great stuff
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