Why Porsche doesn't race in F1 

Or you create a company like that someday ;)

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Yes Porche doesent need to join F1, because Porche cars dont really go that fast, because they really aint supercars, when their between supercar and regular car, but Lamborghini could join F1, because their cars are supercars, so Lamborghini knows how to make fast cars and so it would be funny to see Lamborghini compete against Ferrari as top team in F1. Proving to Ferrari, that they make better cars.

But that saying is true about porsche. I've done an internship there and.... the simple mechanics already are on a level where other companies use engineers. And the engineers are at places I couldn't even access. Porsche is an engineering company first, car manufacturer second. Just like tesla is a tech company first and car manufacturer second.

​@Jou t7 I don't where your mind is going, but the gt3/gt2 rs, the gt4 rs and the normal 911 gt3 are all bona-fide supercars. Yes they don't have the look of an aventador or a 488 pista, but that is intentional. The designs are supposed to be timeless, where you can look back in 60 years and say "what a beauty". You can't say that about today's ferraris, they look more mundane and like a generic sportscar.

Josh, Porsche in FIAWEC is 50x more successful than in F1.

@@damarfadlan9251 I’m talking about the car itself

I hope so too, its always been the benchmark for great cars in every aspect. It will be sad to see an electric 911 one day but im not so sure we are going electric anyway.

@@bigmike4923 imo Porsche should absolutely make an Electric 911 just as they decided they will. Why? Because for one, this gives people the option to both own a 911 and an electric car, while also giving people who want to own a 911 a fuck ton of other choices. In a perfect world, both combustion and Electric would coexist of course.

@@historyman9436 Thats not the spirit of the 911 there is a taycan for a reason, electric cars are not meant for handling. Sure they have a low center of gravity but they also weigh like 5000lbs. Im sure they will do it for sales but the 911 is meant to be nimble and fun to drive electric cars are not

Why would they want to stop production? Making too much money?

Why would they want to stop producing THE CAR?

@@Gaphalor To try sth new.

​@@arrowkneeguy It's far from the only thing they do though. I guess the desire comes from trying new formulas with their fans without THE ONE overshadowing any potential success the 911 consistently eats away from others. To be frank it's a luxury problem that many companies would like to have, although I kinda get the frustration. If you want to make something new and revolutionize and most of your fanbase asks for evolution you're kinda glued to the seat you got seated in. On the other hand I think you can safely say to work on such a long legacy series of cars with that much success to show is quite an honor as well. I wonder which parts of Porsche's workforce feel about 911's steady demand with some level of remorse and which ones don't feel that remorse. I doubt everyone has the same opinion.

​@@arrowkneeguy they can try something new and still build 911s I wish they would make a front engined sports car similar to the SLS

They briefly raced in F1 as their own team too, they even won a race with Dan Gurney.

@@SamuelSantos_ One race win haha big deal. Even Toro Rosso has one race win in F1. Porsche still never achieved anything significant in F1 as an independent team.

@@horsepower523it’s been 60+ years since they were in f1, how is this even remotely relevant to how they would perform today

​@@horsepower523 Why do they need to be an independent team anyway?

im in your walls@@horsepower523

Well put!

1 reason would be to wash out the shame of building literally the worst F1 engine ever. No matter how highly Josh thinks of them they got dusted and embarrassed themselves in F1.

No they weren't trying to team up with RB They just wanna avoid that 300 Million pay for new manufacturers joining in lol

@@nodo7575 you know that they also made the literally best engine in formula 1 history right? The MP4/2 McLaren is literally most successful chassis ever entered and with Porsche engines McLaren won 5 championships in 3 years

@James Black Don't try to argue with a F1 snob with facts and reason. They just want to hear how F1 is the best and anyone not in F1 is 2nd or 3rd rate.

I'll pin this comment - everyone in the replies, can you let me know what you think? Always looking to improve!

Well, when I see it, I immediately know it's a JW video. So.... Idk

I'll know it's JW, but that doesn't make it an appealing thumbnail. Perhaps keep the yellow in, but in a different way.

I love the yellow background

@@JohnWarren Changing it would be like wtf1 no longer using orange.

Right, but the racing wouldn’t be very good because there’d be even bigger gaps between teams.

and then porsche would come along and build something even better

@@mangosteak The best Porsche could do still got beat by an extremely regulated F1 with crazy emission standards. You can't just build the fastest car without a history and infrastructure for competing in the #1 motorsport on the planet.

Their first deal fell through but yeah I don’t see them convincing the other teams Porsche also wanted to change a lot of the ways the Power Unit would be built to kinda give themselves an advantage which the other teams didn’t like

the problem here is that formula 1 doesn't allow flat 6's, which is where a lot of their engineering has already gone, so it's redesigning an entire engine from a model they don't use as prominently, aka a gigantic waste of money in their eyes

Join the team that broke the original 962. That tie in has no advantage for Porsche

thing is no one wants Andretti in f1

Cadillac

Interesting looks nice

Change all of the thumbnails

It’s ok now, but doesn’t really stand out from the rest of the F1 pundit crowd, which seems to be getting denser by the minute the more Liberty pushes into the US. I feel like moving away from the light yellow pastel into something more generic and mass-market does your brand a disservice. It’s incredibly difficult to build a RU-vid following, let along one that stands out, and having the pastels gives you something unique that’s easily recognizable. I see the yellow and go “hell yeah a John W vid.” I understand some people’s criticism in the context of the F1 audience, but it doesn’t track for your growth goals. Changing only cedes your ability to stand out from a crowded room. My suggestion would be to create a colour palate with the same warm tone and range as your yellow so that you have variety, but keeps your brand consistent and distinct from all the other F1 RU-vidrs/commenters. The yellow is, honestly, the only reason I clicked your videos for the first time a while back “interesting look, let’s check it out.”

Please see my comment below. You are special. Your whole approach to this. Seriously.

New to your channel and I clicked, looked back at your other videos, I think it makes it look more appealing. Great content

put it perfectly. I think f1 needs a new powertrain manufacturer and i think porsche with their hybrid technology would be the perfect fit. I would love to see porsche in f1 but lets see what happens in 2026 onwards.

Porsche would get humiliated by Mercedes in f1. Even in "sportscar racing", Black series took the Nurburgring crown from Gt2, and Porsche had to make a Nurburgring PACKAGE just to get the crown back. Literally just a bunch of cowards, cant win without a modified Gt2.

@@brock7405 wow one car went faster than enough around the Nurburgring. Means sod all for racing. I don't think you understand sportscar racing do you. Hence the inverted commas. Porsche Motorsport division is one of the most successful in Motorsport. They'd beat Mercedes no issues. The fact Mercedes got beaten by two teams shows you know absolutely nothing about Motorsport and Porsche success within it.

@@kayto101racer Oh boy its not just one time thing. Porsche blamed Nissan back in 2010 for using "special tires" on Nissan gtr on their 7.27 Nurburgring lap, Porsche drove the car themselves getting a time of 7.54. Nissan had to do a second run to proof they had no special tires and got the exact same 7.27 lap. Guys really cant take their loss.

@@brock7405 and once again you shown you don't know wheel. You think sportscar racing is road cars? You honestly have no idea how good Porsches Motorsport division is. You say they don't know how to take an L when you dragged in something completely irrelevant on a subject you clearly know nothing about. You're just a walking L. Then again you are a weeb.

Thank you! I’m glad you think so😊

"best" That's a bold opinion

Except every time they joined f1 in the past they failed miserably

I would not go that far. They are a great sports car manufacturer. But the best is a stretch. Id say Toyota are amongst the best. Largest car brand offering quality and silently they are one of the most successful Motorsports manufacturers with wins in n every discipline apart from F1

@@tyronnezx I think in terms of performance Porsche is probabilly the best. Their cars have amazing lap times in almost every circuit, even thought they are relatively cheap (a 911 turbo is 250k dollars, a sf90 stradale starts from 500k) and makes less noise and less consumption

That’s awesome! I’m in an automotive school and I’m working towards PTAP (Porsche Technician apprenticeship program) and made it through the first interview phase, and have my next one sometime in January. I absolutely love Porsche, just the feel of it, the esthetics, etc.

my dad and i have a 2010 cayman, used to have a 2005 boxster and the carrera successes it by far it’s such an incredible car and we’re so lucky to have it

Porsche's are engineered amazing but it irks me when people say 100k and still runs great as if thats some milestone. Any car made after 1990 should be hitting 100k no problem, especially the boxster considering it wasn't really a production track car but rather a luxury grand touring car

@menace2society00 No, you're exactly right. 100k miles is nothing. Like I tell everyone. Any car can make it to 300k miles. It's just a question of how much it's going to cost to get it there. What I was saying is that most of them suck and don't last even past 100k miles. It was more of a statement of surprise

@@EdwardVelez Ahh I gotcha, I always hear good things with the flat engines in Porsche. Atleast conpared to Subaru's Flat 4 lol

As a lover of Michelin and Porsche Yeah quality damn matters, all inovatiins and development must be able to transfer out of Motorsport. Can’t say the same for pirelli 🤢

Ye pretty much it all started with 2000s where they started to not allow different engines so everybody couldnt just build the best possible they could have build. Then we had obviously the hole tyre stuff where they made teams weaker bec they realised that some companys where just way more competent and nerves them. And now it gets extremer where we arnt far of a nascar really with all those rules about how the car should look like

@@ehrlichgesagt863 i wonder if Porsche joined F1 in 2026, we may see Setsuna Yuki and Ai Miyashita driving for them.

That's actually hilarious because my Mercedes came with Pirellis and they lasted for 20,000 miles 😂 Absolutely terrible brand never get Pirelli's

@@ehrlichgesagt863 the one issue Porsche would have is the single parts supplier with modifications that NASCAR had in place, currently.

Porsche did enter as a engine supplier in 1983 to 1987 and won two championships and come secound two times.

@@ThePapaja1996 Damn that's insane, I guess there really don't need to enter the F1 scene after all.

Actually Volkswagen in joining f1 in 2026 with their car not audi. Also bugatti exists.

Porsche functions fairly independently from Volkswagen though. If Porsche wanted to compete in F1, they could just do it.

I agree. Audi is enough. Why do they need 2 constructors

I drive a BMW, mainly because porsche 911's are expensive. However I have driven 911's before and really they have a lot of similar feel to some BMW's. But everything I like about BMW, porsche also does, but just better. Truly one of the best car manufacturers out there. Maybe one day when my spouse becomes a millionaire ill get a porsche lol.

It wasn't really completely unshackled as most people like to label it, it still had some restrictions from the starting LMP1 for various reasons.

A regulation F1 car would get stuck on a crack in the Nurburgring. You HAVE to deregulate the damn thing to even get it running over the bumpy-ass track.

It's a 919 Evo mate and obviously there was still some limits since they used the base 919

surprised they didn’t make an even more track focused version of the ZL1 1LE. Or maybe it’s the Cayman problem, they don’t want a Camaro to be faster than a Corvette 😂

Porsche had some inputs like relocating the battery to the trunk and few things, there is a good recent youtube documentary (featuring people who actually worked on the 500E at Porsche)

Mercedes wanted to help their hometown neighbor because they were in desperate need of cash (you can go and verify this) so they contracted them to manufacture and tune the 500e, something they easily could have done themselves since they had a motorsports team at the time.

​@@chiefdenisexactly. Mercedes didn't NEED Porsche to do anything for them. Porsche needed Mercedes to survive, and rather than be ruthless..Mercedes obliged, and we still have Porsche today.

Lamborghini made engines in the early 1990s and even its own team (sort of) in 1991, but they were mediocre at best. Porsche also made an engine in 1991, which was a dumpster fire

Lamborghini was never interested in racing, saying even that it was a waste of time and money. It’s only in present day after his death that Lamborghini is going racing, and they would still never race in F1. Most of Lamborghini’s greatest innovations happen OUTSIDE of racing, not inside of it. Same with Koenigsegg. Pagani (which u called Zonda for some reason) was never worried abt racing similarly to Lamborghini. He just wanted to create a car that was better and more extreme than anything Lamborghini could create, and he did. Also, Koenigsegg makes cars that surpass some of the technologies of F1 cars, such as their Freevalve technology in the Gemera (which I’m surprised hasn’t found its was into F1 with all of the performance potential it could bring to the engine), their light speed transmission in the Jesko and the CC850 (which subsequently enabled them to put an automatic manual transmission on a car with the aforementioned CC850), and their direct drive technology in the Regera. This makes them similar to Porsche in that they’re a team of engineers who happen to make cars. They don’t need F1. Lamborghini is also largely a team of engineers, pushing the boundaries of automotive technology. Their supercapacitor hybrid system, their ALA system, their Forged Composites material and their smart materials system implemented in the Sian should be proof of that. Pagani doesn’t engineer much, but are instead focused on making beautiful yet brutal works of art on wheels, so they would have no need for F1 either. Therefore, none of the companies u have mentioned would have any need or desire to be in F1

Lamborghini is literally the polar opposite of Ferrari. Lamborghini made road cars and he didn't want to go racing, meanwhile Enzo only made road cars to fund the racing team. It would be cool to see Ferrari vs Lamborghini in F1 but at least it will be a thing at the WEC from next year.

@@mrsoisauce9017 Christian and nikko rosberg have a great interview where he mentions formula ones influence on his first super car and beyond

Lamborghini is also a subsidiary of Volkswagen so they don’t need to join to gain access to the tech that will be created by VWs/Audis new teams

I’ve genuinely not had a comment this nice before on RU-vid - thank you so much man 🤍

@@JohnWarren it's a pleasure! Facts should be called out especially the good ones (;

The track wasn’t wet, it only looked that way in the video because the weather wasn’t perfect. The track was dry

@@musiccer7446 Still, humid tarmac, colder track... It has a bigger implicance than the difference between the cars even if it's not fully wet. I still remember the Yaris GR surpassing a Veyron on the outside just because the track was wet AF. Not holding MB shield since it was done on purpose to regain the leadership on ideal conditions once any car takes their crown.

@@joelrodriguez9611 i mean its not like the veyron is massively faster anyways , it's like a 15 sec gap around the lap between both and obviously most of the time is gained on the straight for the Bugatti so it's not surprising that a Yaris Gr could do that

There is something to be said about the sound of an electric car. I dont completely hate it, sure it doesnt have the same shocking roar as a combustion engine, but it just sounds so futuristic and cool. I have driven a tesla before, and it felt quite weird going 0-60 in a couple seconds with just the hum of the batteries. It is kind of an awesome feeling, it feels like you have SO much power, and you definetly do. I enjoy both, driving a V8 through a tunnel, flooring it and hearing it echo off the tunnel, great time. But the hum of electric cars is also cool, in another way.

Not with Audi joining h unfortunately, it’s extremely unlikely that the VW group would want to foot the bill for two seperate teams and engine developments. Porsche wanted to buy into a winning team without doing any of the work, and when it failed they decided not to enter the sport at all.

Lambo, Ferrari, Mercedes, Honda, Renault, Hyundai, Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW/VW, Nissan/Peugeot, Chrysler/SAIC 12 companies :) 9 EZ choices, and then either a 3rd Japanese and/or American, or a 2nd French and the first Chinese one to go with the 2nd German pick. it even bothers me that more companies do not compete in NASCAR. I refuse to believe that Porsche couldn't build a cup winning car in a few years.

Like a FW-E RW-ICE just like the 919?

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And a proper engine. I have no idea why these apparent car RU-vidrs seem to miss the point of the AMG one, the 1.6 L road legal F1 engine was a masterful attempt at tech demonstration. The AMG F1 did the Nurburgring lap record despite the engine is what it should be said. People have no idea the massive technical efforts it took for an F1 engine to idle at 5k. Even the black series did the record in Abysmal conditions. Most spotters say the black series would've passed the 911 GT 2 RS MR in similar conditions.

This. No company would deny good publicity. Much else a sports car company with f1. With that said where I live, Porsche is a clear lifestyle brand (well said, "They don't sell cars, they sell engineering." - can you go much cockier than that). And again, with all that they make really great cars, I'd grab many. But don't say they need no reason to be in f1. Childish.

Idk man, seeing Ferrari in F1 doesnt exactly sell me on buying a Ferrari (money aside)

If you think f1 is more popular then gt racing your very much mistaken 😂 f1 just now started becoming a fan sport or did you forget that it basically use to be a very private an enclosed Motorsport only the rich could really watch, an if you really believe that people see Ferrari in f1 an go “I wanna buy a Ferrari now” then your lost 💀 considering the fact that f1 cars an sorts cars have almost 0 similarities an also Porsche doesn’t go to f1 because they can’t they don’t because they don’t care to, why go somewhere else when they’re the kings of the gt racing world 🤷🏽‍♂️ they’ve built most of the greatest race cars ever an it isn’t even close, especially when there’s about to be a new golden age in gt racing, f1 just isn’t important to them

@@Gabethemosthated F1 is objectively more popular than GT racing, the only time GT was ever close was Group C. Its not about advertising directly for Ferrari its about setting an identity for there brand. Porsche did the same thing with the World Sportscar Championship. There is no doubt that Porsche are one of, if not the most successful sportscar manufacturer of all time, but if you cared to watch any sportscar racing you'd see that prior to Hyper car it struggled with viewership at the best of times. Sportscar racing will never have the same viewership as F1, its fundamentally less mainstream with 24hr races and confusing classes. Porsche understand this hence there desire to show that they can compete in the mainstream intern selling there brand. Its not about the very small proportion of people that can buy the cars its about selling the brand, and Porsche know in a world of influencers F1 is probably the place to do that.

@@mattsparksy your right, gt racing is more for the hardcore Motorsports fans, which is why it has about 50% less viewership then f1, but it’s kinda hard to get an exact estimate with all the catagorys an classes, but more of the casuals tune in to f1 because it’s simpler to understand but the hardcore Motorsport fans both watch f1 an gt even tho if I’m being honest f1 has become boring throughout the years while gt racing is becoming more an more popular with some saying a new golden era that hasn’t happens since group c an gt1 in the 90s but even if you don’t watch gt racing even the most casual of fans know that Porsche rules the racing world, even tho they aren’t in f1 but like the video explained they don’t need to be they dominate gt racing an wouldn’t really gain anything from f1

@@Gabethemosthated I agree with you in regards to sportscar racings new golden era. I'm very excited to see this and the racing is absolutely better but people won't give it the time of day because it's very hard to get into. Committing to long races and hard to understand rule sets is a high barrier to entry. As for Porsche ruling the Motorsport world, in terms of sportscars there's an argument to be had. But outside of that they don't really compete. The only negative on sportscars from F1 is poaching it's manufactures, Audi who had a car 2 weeks away from testing and Aston Martin who literally had a car ready to go.

Obv vw will be at top. They are the parent company 😂😂😂

he said 8 secs on nurburgring

He was talking about Nördschleife...your logic is still flawed when it comes to Spa

Porsche doesn't need to be the fastest per lap to have a better car that lasts a hundred times longer than mercedes

Although the 919 Evo doesn't fit into any regulation, it still carried some limitations from the base LMP1. Also, if I recall correctly, the driver had less than 10 laps practice. Hardly enough time to learn a car that's about 20 seconds faster than what he normally drives - which he openly said he was the limiting factor. There's at least a few seconds in there.

@paper plane No, a F1 car is not miles quicker on a track without long straights. Like I said, even while they had those features, they still carried over some limitations from the base LMP1 car. Some of those limits restricted their cornering speeds. Only a F1 snob with no knowledge of motorsports will fail to recognise this.

​@paper plane I didn't address those of an F1 car because I was merely pointing out that the Porsche was not limitless in the strictest sense, like most people like to claim it is. Of course a F1 snob has to chime in and make it about F1. Since you want to compare it to a F1, those limitations on the 919 Evo are significant if you really want to compare them together.

so?