You know, the Prodesk/ Elitedesk G4 Mini and newer models are capable of running triple A games at high settings using an external GPU. It works way better than the older generation Intel and AMD CPU's like the i5-6500T from your previous video.
As the hardware admin for a community college, i can say that the 3400GE does offer a pretty good performance bump as long as the price difference isnt too great. The 2400GE is based on Zen1 and on 16nm, the 3400GE is Zen+ and 12nm, you get better clocks on the CPU and GPU, and you also get a bit more performance per clock on the CPU The up side is that the 3400GE is fully supported by Windows 11, where as the 2400GE is not supported, though it will ruin at least for now.
I have the 3400ge version and I am having trouble getting Batocera to boot from the USB. Once the splash screen shows it then goes to black screen although the system is accessible from SSH I cannot get it to recognise the display. This was on V3.5 I might try an older version and see what happens.
Update for people considering this mini PC: after upgrading my Lenovo m715q (same APU as the HP) with the latest Batocera 38 stable build and some more testing, can confirm PS3 games will run on native resolution, and graphical glitches are mostly gone. But only a few easier-to-run games like Tekken 6 or GoW Collection will be doable, most PS3 games will be too much for this PC. OG Xbox runs fine at native, some games can be upscaled to 2x. GC, Wii, PS2, and Dreamcast will run great upscaled at 1080p, although for others like God of War 2, you will have to go 720p for smoother gameplay. Wii U can be upscaled to 1080p with a few games, but still looks really nice when played on native resolution with the exception being BotW (so far), which is running at 12fps tops even on native and it's just unplayable on this machine. After 6 months with this PC, I can say it is still an excellent emulation box, was totally worth the price I paid (CAD$250, including memory upgrade) and since ETA's review, it had some nice improvements in performance and compatibility. Would recommend this if you are on a very strict budget and can get it for less than US$200 (you will probably have to upgrade memory and storage). Over that price, I would look into a 5800h mini PC that will give you much better performance (4c/8t vs 8c/16t) and expand your PS3, Wii U, and (very possibly) Xbox 360 catalog. Hope this update helps you on your decision, cheers :)
@@mikeblethan Unlikely. The G variant is only slightly stronger than the GE variant, so slight it probably wouldn't up performance for anything higher than 5-10 percent. Certainly not enough to get PS3 and up to be any better than it is here in this video and since everything else that runs great on the GE variant is already at a more than acceptable level the G would not give you much more to look forward to, maybe the ability to boost resolution very slightly without a lag or framerate penalty but that's really it. On top of that, you would NEED the 65W variant of the 705 G5 which does have different internal components and a 65W external power supply.
Would be really cool if we could get an ETA Emulator chart to help rank different CPU's Would be a great reference to see what kind of performance you can get out of something like a new Intel N6005 vs something like a Ryzen 2400GE at a glance. Could even just be a public Google Sheets document
I've always wondered why ETA doesn't include some sort of graphs showing performance vs different systems. The online sheet would be awesome, could call it the Prime Score :) Be cool to see columns showing X game or system and Y or N if it hits 60fps etc.
I bought the 3400ge version and installed botocia as the os and works fine but play sound through the tiny system speaker and not through the display port to tv. Ive tried the setting sound out put setting but no option to change it to tv.
Thanks for replying, ive tried different combination disabling the sound card fully or with just the internal speaker disabled making shore i save and quite out of the bios each time, ive used loads of different combinations in batocera audio output setting making shore i resart batocera each time i change the settings. Made shore the bios and batocera is the latest version. Dont know what else to do. At one point after i setup the ps5 controler i had the cable hooked up to it, and it were buzzing. only to find out it were paying music by pulsing the rumble motors😂
These are great platforms, but the struggle is sound to a traditional TV. Do you know of a solution that takes a display port to hmdi, and has sound to the hdmi for a TV setup?
I use a DP to hdmi cable. Or you just get an adapter. I use on a 24" monitor but I have tested it on a reg 4K TV using DP to hdmi cable and got sound just fine the through it.
I picked up one of these last summer when you first reviewed them; 16GiB and 256GiB NVME, no wireless. They are getting cheap these days. It has worked well for me as a low-power PC. I run older Steam games. I did have lock up on boot issues with the amdgpu driver with multiple versions of linux. Turns out the bios had legacy option ROM boot for video. Changed to EFI video ROM and now works fine. Note: there is an option board: L25757-001 that replaces the VGA port for an extra HDMI. Be careful as it is easy to bend the pins over on the main board. I also added a 2.5" SATA drive caddy. These are hard to find and make sure it is for the SFF version of the 705. 16 watts idle and 25W playing video will work well when I go solar in an RV.
These HP Mini machines indeed have a board you can swap out, it's the Flex IO. If you want to, you could add any port you'd want to. Some types even offer USB-C!
You're my hero! I was struggling with this intermittent amdgpu problem, and this did the trick. I wasn't sure what you meant about "bios had legacy option ROM boot for video", but switching my BIOS settings in Advanced > Secure Boot Configuration from "Legacy Support Enable and Secure Boot Disable" to "Legacy Support Disable and Secure Boot Disable" got it working reliably. Thanks for the tip!
@@nicholasscastellano It's really weird to be honest, this exact mini PC won't work properly with Batocera on UEFI but will work with Legacy, meanwhile with Windows & AMD hardware it tends to show issues the other way around.
@@hereis_Tiff Mine is working on UEFI after disabling Secure Boot with the setting described in my previous comment. I'm running the latest BIOS (Q26 Ver. 02.20.00 09/26/2022), updated via the Windows installer sp143193.exe from HP. I applied factory default BIOS settings, set the Secure Boot to the third option, and set a 5 second startup delay to make it easier to get into the BIOS settings menu. All other options are left at factory defaults, Hope that helps!
A few notes on this PC. I have the 2400G (60 w version). Windows 11 is NOT supported. You can side load it, but it won't have support nor updates from Windows. Amazon is selling the 16Gb version (RAM), and it's coming with the original HP power supply. I got mine for about 160 USD. Came with the 2.5 HD craddle, keyboard and mouse. Runs a little hot for my tastes, but i will be installing a 2T m.2 drive. Overall a great buy.
Do you know if you press F1 and application .you can tweak the applications more and in the app tab you open flatpack config and can install linux app and game. Just type steam and proton comunity build, for steam subscribe to the beta and now you can lunch steamUI (steamOS 3.0) and all you game you downloaded will be on the desktop a new tab appear and it will be steam
Really appreciate you re testing old hardware! New drivers and also newer versions of emulators can make games playable when in the past it was out of the question. May I ask, can the RX6400 now play games using Xemu?
3400ge with 16gb of ram for ~$200 (or less with the 2400ge) would make an insane steam machine with the new steamOS -very interested if there was any incompatibilities in trying this out.
Same number of cores and only 100-200mhz improvement. Gpu is also the same Vega 11. Ram is also same speed 2933mhz in ddr4. The 3400ge CPU is about 10% faster than the 2400ge.
@@ryancox4689 I actually flashed it to an NVME drive and installed it internally. Works great. There is a Secure Boot setting with dual options that have to both be listed as disabled. I believe it's "Secure Boot Disabled / Legacy Mode Disabled". Batocera won't boot it either are Enabled.
These old school/Classic style ETA videos of prebuilts and mini PCs are the best. It's how you made a loyal follower out of me! Core2Duo boyz holla back
I believe you did a very similar video a few months ago with one of these (or a slightly different version?) and I jumped on a 16gb RAM version for a tad more. It is exactly what I was hoping to get and runs like a dream for even several games as recent as PS3. I use it for both Steam and Launchbox/BigBox.
Good experts, a little query, this hp 705 g4 and 8gb of ram, will it be able to move ps3 and switch well? And to make everything go better, on Wiiu and PS2, in batocera or retrobat? Any better machine sff with veega inside or better card inside, in similar price? Thanks to lot🙏
Yeah im done wasting my money on single board computers. Lol the orange pi 5 what a let down they sent me a defective one. 140 down the drain. I'm sticking with pc.
Thanks for the video! I would love to see a video exploring upscaling and shader potential of this PC for the easier to run consoles like Genesis and PS1.
Great content was always! The only problem with this videos is that instantly the price of this machines you share raises to the double, triple or even more!! Hehehe happy new year to everybody, cheers!!!
What's crazy is not even a decade ago this was unthinkable for me as a kid. I had to have the consoles to be able to play the games I wanted. I also had to buy the games I wanted. I'm so glad I can have every game I wanted as a kid and couldn't afford, for free.
Hey there ETA, love your videos! I'm wondering how these 'lil guys work with Switch and PS3 emulation two years on. Maybe a re-visit would be nice to see. Thanks for all your hard work.😆
I agree. However, the used market does allow for more higher end budget builds. You can get very good (mini) PC's or PC parts used for cheap, while their sealed counterparts from the stores are way more expensive.
Yeah, if you dont mind getting a used item you can get very good performance for your money that way, depending on how high you want to emulate and/or upscale.
I have a model like the one in this video (HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an i5-8600T) and I added an external 1650 GPU over M.2. It can play triple A games at high settings with great fps results!
I always see a "Kodi Media Center" option in the Batocera menu in video's but I have yet to experiment with it. Could you do a video about the possibilities of a system like this when you add Kodi to the mix, with handy/popular plugin's installed? Using Kodi in combination with Batocera's emulation capabilities seems like a really compelling idea to use as an allround HTPC/living room media system. It's already build in, but I have never seen a video that goes puts this usecase to the test.
Have you tried running Dragonball Z Ultimate Budoten for the 3DS? It’s a fast paced sprite based fighter but I’ve heard it can be hard it run on some machines.
I have the full tower g400 model. I5-6500 and a LP gt 1030 ddr4 Plays everything except for PS3, Xbox (CPU bottleneck it seems) All PS2 and GameCube games at 1080p-4K, depending on the game.
Honestly, been looking for a cheap solution for an old school emulation/media device for couch play. I know the Shield is basically the gold standard, but I have to consider Nvidia's notorious anti-consumerist stance. 1 update could brick every emulator. This is perfect, as I usually emulate anymore recent stuff on my main PC anyway.
I work with a ton of these in my job and they all overheat horribly. I would avoid them. There is a reason they are so cheap online. They are loud, throttled and burnt out.
You're wrong there. I have a 4th gen Prodesk Mini and I even added an external GPU to it. No overheating issues whatsoever, noise is barely noticeable either.
Back in 2020 Lenovo had a sale on the M75Q Gen2 you could get a Ryzen 7 4750GE for $488, for brand new coming with Windows 10 Pro, this was a screaming deal.
This computer works perfect with Batocera 37, Switch - Xbox360 - Psvita etc etc is very playable but... an important thing is to install 16 gigabytes of ram for the video card radeon vega 11 that with 8 gigabytes is not good !!
How would this machine compare to a mini pc with 11th gen i7 with Iris XE graphics? Looking to build a mini PC which can play GC/PS2/Dreamcast upscaled at 1080p to look super sharp. Would that combo work, this one with a Ryzen, or do I really need to build something with a discrete GPU to handle really upscaling and sharpening up the image at 1080/60fps? Thanks y'all
How do you display the overlay information (FPS, CPU load etc)? I was not able to find any tools for this in Batocera and in Linux in general. Or you ran them separately on Windows for the demo?
There are 2 possibilities to turn on fps-counter: 1. System Settings, Frontend Developer Options, Show Framerate 2. Game Settings, Per System Advanced Configuration, (System), Decorations, Heads Up Display, Performance the second one only works on the PC version of batocera
I would have liked to have seen how it runs using lunchbox or Big box. I was trying to find one around the price range that you mentioned but everything that comes up using your link is over $200 some over $300.
Hi ETA PRIME. I seen your other video about the thing i want to ask here but it look like its quite unpopular emulation solution. Im thinking of buying mini pc/build pc with Ryzen APU and then use PrimeOS or other Android OS so the pc can work as emulation device and media centre(Netflix,RU-vid). My worry is only whether installing those Android can still can take advantage of the APU. Thought? Thanks
To be fair the Intel versions aren't bad either. Just make sure you have a 7th/ 8th gen or higher Intel CPU. You'll get much better performances with them.
Well I recently updated from an optiplex 3050 with an i5 7500t to a lenovo m75q with ryzen 3400ge (with 90w power supply). I'm still using single channel memory (waiting for second stick of ram to come) so I'm far from getting all the juice from that chip...still it is far ahead of the 7500t due to uhd630 GPU being quite bad compared to Vega 11. If you have to chose and price is the same, do not hesitate: go for AMD chips.
I am having issues with my HP Elitedesk 705 g4 ryzen 5 pro 2400g displayport settings: When using VGA output to a computer monitor it produces 1920x1080, looks great. Now when I use a displayport to hdmi dongle, hdmi into tv it only produces 480 (640x480) results. Then I tested the dongle by going displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi to vga dongle to vga into the computer monitor I get great 1920x1080 results. If I unplug that dongle setup while the mini pc running and then go displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi cable into the tv it forces 1080p and the results look great. But....... If I restart the mini pc it then goes back to 480 on the TV. I know it's not the displayport dongle and I shouldn't have to plug the dongle into the computer monitor and unplug to plug it into the TV every time. Anyone with a HP Elitedesk 705 want to chime in. I know this is a thing with these displayports.
@etaprime the fact that your test game for the GC was Auto Modellista!! *tears* I never see anyone test or talk about this game and it's literal why I dont want to buy handheld emulators or have been against the wall on building something until reasonably priced... love that game, I play it on my series S :D
The Lenovo version of this came with a 135w psu when it first came out and they changed it to a 65w power supply. Have you tried a 135w psu with this by chance or if they have one available?
For those wanting to buy this for a Batocera machine: I've bought the m715q lenovo with the ryzen 2400ge and 16gb ram, and installed Batocera on a 2tb firecuda drive I had. This will play God of War II and Shadow of the Colossus upscaled to 720p at full speed on PSCX2 and they look great. F-zero GX at 1080p at the fire field track is really close to 60fps, but it does have dips at the start (feels like shader caching, mostly). I want to try out a few other games and give it a shot on Wii U and some easier PS3 titles but overall, if you wanna stick to everything up to PS2 running at 1080p and a few harder ones at 720p or native, this is really worth it if you get it for a fair price (mine was CAD$220). The development of these emulators and Batocera came a long way and hats off to all the devs that have been working on those, outstanding job. And thank you ETA Prime for making this review, I'm very happy with the performance this thing is putting out.
This really makes the Atari VCS more of an aesthetic want, even when it's on sale. Can't really justify that purchase after seeing both of these videos. Thank you ETA.
I've been following their prices for a while 150 to 200 usd is still a bit high imo. The lenovos are generally lower priced I've seen the 2200GE and 2400GE for as low as 100 usd. However I think hp is a better option than lenovo though since they don't lock their cpu's like Lenovo does. It at least allows the apu and ram to be reused on any other motherboard if necessary.
Awesome rig, just got the same one. Do you have video on how you installed Batocera? I had a heack of a time installing an OS from a usb boot ventoy. I'm doing a duel OS. M.2 Nvme win10, and Sata SSD 256 2.5 Batocera emulation station. I've not yet installed Batocera. Had issues with HP secure boot in Bios. Can you share how you installed Batocera...?
I've been running this model hp 800 g3 mini with 6gen i7, 16gb ram. I did this for my 4 yr old, boot it off usb external hard drive 1tb. He loves this.
Im also using HP 800 6th gen i7 6700T but G2 with 8GB RAM running Batocera off an internal 2TB HDD. Very capable little machine. Its my dedicated Batocera retro console. 👍
this computer goes very well with batocera 36 also installed the switch and works perfectly. practically all systems are fine except the ps3 that hga of slowdowns all the rest is perfect
Thank you for this comment, I was wondering how well it runs with "Yuzu" games, which ones have you tested that perform well and whats your setup? I'm going to make this exact build to run with Batocera 36. Cheers from another video maker hehe
@@jonathanloaiza Hello, with Yuzu I would say that are very good all nintendo games, the other emulator is not very good indeed I would say that it is just bad ! I still have to rehearse, but Yuzu is perfectly playable.
Found out while looking for an hdmi for the Flex IO port that you can get descrete GPUs, which is wild because I never noticed this option on the Quickspec docs. Personally I don't think it is worth the update for a numbet of reasons. The fans in these DM form factors are failure prone anyway, and I have some doubts about it's ability to cool properly at high temps anyway. Also, you NEED the variant with the perforated cover for increased ventilation. All that being said, I think this would be a fun upgrade for hardware people, especially if one plans to add some custom cooling.
hi Eta Prime could you look at this system again but with batocera 39 or dev40? they seem to have messed up video drivers with xbox emulation in 39 ...then the fix in dev40 seems to have an issue where the audio drivers are messed up and sound keeps getting sent to internal speakers as opposed to hdmi....i can't figure it out....yours seemed to work fine...should i go back to an earlier version? were you using batocera 38?
After one year I'm looking for this video because i have an old laptop for my nephew but its intel 2nd gen and intel GPU and 4 GB of ram .. do you think this laptop can run Batocera?
This will absolutely play FS2020 as well ~30FPS with tweaked settings. Looks awesome too with FSR. I got this to replace my Shield TV and couldn't be happier. Rigged mine out overkill with 32GB RAM, 256gb SSD, and 1TB NVME.
@ETAPRIME im curious if you knew that this particular system also had a d-gpu upgrade available for it in the for of an RX-560 PN: l21472-002 Im curious if you think that would be a worthwhile upgrade to fix some of the issues you had at the time.
ah thanks for the tip - I thought it was only psvita which I gave a spin! cemu was broken in the beta for me though - when I rolled back to v35 it worked again.
Dears. Which is better for emulation: 2400G or 2400GE? In passmark 2400G is a bit faster then 3400GE. 2400G - CPU 3.6GHz, GPU Vega 11 1250MHz 3400GE- CPU 3.3GHz, GPU Vega 11 1300MHz Small PC with 2400G is 50% price of 3400GE one. AMD RYZEN 5 2400G (Overclock - YES) vs AMD RYZEN PRO 5 2400G (Overclock - No), all other parameters the same;-)
nice, i have a elitedesk 705 G4 DM which packages the ryzen 5 pro 2400G 65W version. its pretty nice but seems to be underperforming a bit. my guess is the slow 16gigs of 2400mhz ram
Yup, make sure you're running 2 rams in dual channel and use it at 2933mhz (That's the max supported by the CPU), that will make a great difference. I'm running RE3 remake without any issues with 2x8gb 3200mhz (Capped to 2933mhz).
I sadly had one of these a few days ago with a 2400G (not GE) for $170 which is a great price but it was not reliable. Going full screen on anything would disconnect my Bluetooth devices, stutters and for some reason can’t even get the same performance as ETA prime. Art of rally was struggling on 720p low getting juuuuust 30 fps. Emulation? Any cpu hungry shader just stutters and devices all unpaid. I just hope you all have a better experience than I had. 😢
The CPU is designed to use 35 watts but they only use like 15 to 20 max. If you have the 65 watt version of the CPU it will be higher though. Overall taking the power adapter's wattage should give you a good indication of what those mini PC's use on average.
