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Chernobyl Episode 3 'Open Wide, O Earth' | Reaction
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@SpartanandPudgey
@SpartanandPudgey Месяц назад
This was a hard watch..such a bleak, horrifying and depressing outcome for everyone involved All 5 Episode Reactions are available 4 weeks EARLY and UNCUT over on Patreon! www.patreon.com/spartanandpudgey
@Sir_Lauchboy
@Sir_Lauchboy Месяц назад
So basically radiation works like this: In a lifespawn of a human body cells die constantly but they get constantly replaced by new cells. The human body has a blueprint how to reproduce this cells. But if you are exposed to high doses of radiation for too long this blueprint gets destroyed. So your body cannot reproduce cells anymore. That means you will die without a doubt. You can recover from the burns but you will be dead between 1 week or 3 weeks 100%. The medical condition for this is caled basically „dead man walking“
@eve-llblyat2576
@eve-llblyat2576 Месяц назад
for you guys to understand. this series is highly fictional. its based on lack of understanding and western propaganda of that time. The radiation is shown much much much more dangarouse for dramatic effect. The idear of an hydrogen explosion is more or less unlikely, or better not an actual explosion. The immission radious is only a tiny fraction of what was claimed in the series. Radiation itself isnt that dangarouse. considering the Inverse-square law and radiation duration you wont die by just looking at the open core. Only breathing radioactiv dust is realy dangarouse. In the end only 30 people die during and after the events of this series, some of them becaue of ordinary acidents. Most of these 30 had been firefighters. In long term of centurys later, scientist could only link 30 cancer death to the chernobyl acident. They gues that probably 1-4k of cancer cases could have resultet from chernobyl. the numbers of 70k people die during the acident and millions died from cancer are imaginary numbers from green peace, WHO and other campaigning organizations. The are no scientifiy facts. All over europe was no rise in cancer after the acident. Ther was no higher cancer rate for the 150.000 liquidators working at chernobyl. Interesting fact. 3 od the 4 reactors at chernobyl nuclear power plant had been oparational till 2000. They even kept on bulding 2 more reactors. 14 years people lived and worked in chernobyl. Yes the town pryjat remaind vacant. Please stop calling the characters in the serie stupid while you guys dont have the expertise to tell so.
@josepholivo1448
@josepholivo1448 Месяц назад
Hey guys, I've been enjoying your reaction to this series. I'm old enough to remember hearing about this when I was a kid. I'm enjoying you guys watch then come up with interesting theories at the end of the episode but hang in there until the end because all of your questions will be answered in the last episode. When you're finished with the series I would suggest checking out a couple of documentaries on RU-vid, the battle for Chernobyl or Chernobyl 3828. It's very interesting to see how close the Series and the actual events parallel each other. I'm sure there are some things that are embellished for dramatic effect in the series but mostly seems to be true to the event. Hope you guys check them out and do a little research on your own.
@maruskaehrensdorfer
@maruskaehrensdorfer Месяц назад
@@eve-llblyat2576 stop with your outdated Soviet propaganda. The whole world knows what really happened. Stay away from this channel and f*** off to your communist channels where you will be more welcome.
@nadiatanveer702
@nadiatanveer702 Месяц назад
Days two of asking you guys to watch Avatar 1 and Avatar Way of water
@user-bu8qs9ov7o
@user-bu8qs9ov7o Месяц назад
Pudgey: 21:33 “oh my god I can’t look at it I can’t.” Dyatlov: “she’s delusional, take her to the infirmary, it's only 3.6 roentgen. I’ve seen worse.”
@Rorywizz
@Rorywizz Месяц назад
it's the feedwater
@ryano1267
@ryano1267 Месяц назад
@@Rorywizz mildly contaminated
@PlacidDragon
@PlacidDragon Месяц назад
Not great, not terrible.
@fjoergyn
@fjoergyn Месяц назад
you see nothing.
@darthveatay
@darthveatay Месяц назад
The air is glowing
@MagguillZ
@MagguillZ Месяц назад
The fact that this is a real event makes it so much more horrifying
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 Месяц назад
Hisashi Ouchi Suffered History's Worst Radiation Burns - Then Doctors Kept Him Alive For 83 Excruciating Days Against His Will. After a fateful accident at Japan's Tokaimura nuclear power plant in 1999,
@lolmao500
@lolmao500 Месяц назад
Russians : never let anything dangerous in the hands of russians, guarantee theyre gonna kill people with it
@eve-llblyat2576
@eve-llblyat2576 Месяц назад
this series is highly fictional, bot based on actaul sciense and history. i know the horribal storys with thousand dead and deadly radiation in the exclusion zone is every where. For example, only 30 people died because of the acidents (and in long term), from which some of the dead died because of ordinary workplace acidents. Only a few cases of cancer
@Quzga
@Quzga Месяц назад
That's why I like biographical shows/films. It just affects me more knowing it happened vs 100% fiction!
@eve-llblyat2576
@eve-llblyat2576 Месяц назад
@vt_sandman3392 lets dont argue about the scale of fiction. yes this show is great, its exciting. But if you work with ral events, stay to the history. And if you have a story in the real world, dont bend phyisics. And with chernobyl its even more important because people get told twisted facts about nuclear power since than. No, a nuclear reactor can not explode. that is a fact. while they tell something different.
@blinkachu5275
@blinkachu5275 Месяц назад
What's crazy is that they actually downplayed how horrific a body looks after it received a deadly dose of radiation poisoning. Vasily looked even worse irl. It's genuinely horrifying. In Chernobyl City they had a museum and that museum had video footage playing of people affected by radiation poisoning. I'll never forget it.
@BUSeixas11
@BUSeixas11 Месяц назад
I just Googled Hisashi Ouchi and I will never unsee that.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen Месяц назад
@@BUSeixas11 I would recommend RU-vid video titled "The Most Painful Death Ever (VIEWER DISCRETION)" (X1FbwooXssQ). The video is not graphic, just the story is very horrific.
@spstephe2872
@spstephe2872 25 дней назад
@@BUSeixas11 you could make a legitimate argument that his death was the most painful of all time, which makes me feel really bad for finding it funny that his name was literary “Ouchie” lol
@foreignmilk5589
@foreignmilk5589 Месяц назад
spartan: i love this guy, hes got balls 10 minutes later: the guys balls
@linpittsburgh2375
@linpittsburgh2375 Месяц назад
I cannot tell a lie, I snorted at that line.
@ravensdark99
@ravensdark99 Месяц назад
And one has to remember in this authoritarian regime people didn’t know what was going on . Neither the soldiers or liquidators nor the ordinary public . And if you did the KGB paid you a visit . So really really horrible because most ppl didn’t realize what killed them
@UMStm
@UMStm Месяц назад
I asked my father, who was servicing helicopters, which transported troops into the zone. I asked him if they knew what was happening. He said that they were well informed about radiation and what was happening. BUT it did not matter much (which is hard to realize), because no one knew exactly what radiation does to people (it was not a common knowledge back then, since this shit never happened before)... you can not feel it... you can not see it... so they just did their job. Point being - stating that anything dark that ever happened within USSR borders was due to "authoritarian regime" is like assuming that every single Spartan was well built soldier who slept in his polished armor. because you know, movies and shit. It's just wrong
@srccde
@srccde Месяц назад
@@UMStm No one stated that everything dark that ever happened within the USSR's borders was due to the authoritarian regime.
@lenakohl2339
@lenakohl2339 Месяц назад
My mother's cousin finished school at the time and had to serve in the army (as every healthy man had to do). His family was worried he could be send there. People knew, at least the educated ones.
@bonchbonch
@bonchbonch 16 часов назад
Actually, I've read that the KGB stuff is way, way exaggerated. There weren't shady people around every corner listening to your conversations.
@mb8132
@mb8132 Месяц назад
Shcherbina's response to the miner when he asked about them being looked after is actually amazing character development. As Deputy Chairman he starts off fully devoted to the Soviet establishment and its ideas, but as he faces the extremely harsh realities of this nuclear disaster, he slowly realizes that the Soviet view is no longer enough and begins to doubt his own power. In addition to that, throughout the show he's coming to terms with his own mortality (as everyone else involved), so as he's losing half of his remaining life and his faith in the system he realizes that he can't answer whether the miners will be looked after or not. He knows he might not have that power afterwards or worse, he might not even be alive by then.
@ReddwarfIV
@ReddwarfIV Месяц назад
He also knows that he just can't truthfully promise that, there's no guarantee the Soviet state would look after them because the bureacracy doesn't care. He told Legasov to tell the miners the truth, and followed his own advice.
@joehoy9242
@joehoy9242 Месяц назад
​​@@ReddwarfIV - Specifically, while Boris is a senior Party member, he's still not at the highest level. He doesn't have the authority to make that call, and could easily be overruled by the Politburo, and even if that doesn't happen, the KGB can make it a state secret that the miners were ever there - one word and it's off to prison you go. Obviously, here we're talking the late stage Soviet regime, but it can happen in any large organisation that has accrued more power than is healthy - witness recent events at Boeing when secrets ended up getting people killed and they did everything in their power to try to keep a lid on it.
@ErdTirdMans
@ErdTirdMans Месяц назад
@@joehoy9242 Right, but in a country with a central authority of law AND press AND economics, you've basically signed your suicide note. Concentrating that much power - as is necessary for communism - inherently leads to this. Note that this says nothing of multiple-labor-union socialism or what have you (for which there are other valid critiques, but none that are truly inevitable as far as I can tell)
@joehoy9242
@joehoy9242 Месяц назад
@@ErdTirdMans - In theory yes - but as we've learned in practice, a capitalist state in which the regulatory fetters have been removed results in "the best legal system money can buy", and when the press is owned by oligarchs who stand to benefit personally from deregulation and adoption of hardcore "free market" economics, you effectively wind up with the same situation we see leading up to the Chernobyl disaster - namely even skilled workers living in fear of losing their jobs if the bosses decide to blackball them for whatever reason - with the higher-ups always in a position to blame those skilled workers for any problems (and force them out of their career path if they turn whistleblower). Yes, the Soviet system ended up very broken and inherently corrupt from the get-go, but that wasn't necessarily down to the political theory and ideology that kicked it off. What really screwed the Soviet approach goes all the way back to the civil war that took place immediately after the 1917 revolution - but that's a completely different subject that would take an essay to explain in and of itself.
@jhilal2385
@jhilal2385 Месяц назад
Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence and stupidity.
@Macho_King
@Macho_King Месяц назад
I get the impression that SnP are less informed about communism and the USSR than I expected. I mean no disrespect. I’m a little older and maybe this isn’t taught in Australia schools when they were growing up. Secrecy and cover up was so over the top and career party members made their way “up the ladder” by how easily they followed orders and agreed with their superiors. They weren’t always the most qualified for the jobs and positions they held. Information to the public was NEVER honest and accurate if it painted the govt in a bad light. When you know that going into the show, it offers a different understanding of what you’re seeing. Some of the brutality, secrecy, and lack of empathy for human life has been lost over time when learning about the history of some places. The USSR being one of them. That being said, I do think SNP are doing a fantastic job breaking down and discussing what they’re watching happen in each episode.
@user-mr6qu8jr3i
@user-mr6qu8jr3i Месяц назад
I agree with what you said here. I too am of an older age. I don't think it is their fault, I have noticed a number of reactors of shall we say the post-Soviet generations do not fully understand the secrecy, corruption, and sometimes brutality of life in the Soviet Union and the actions and fear of the KGB. You need to look at the oppression of the population in Russia today and ramp that up more than 100% to understand what it was like in the 1980's. There was no internet and a lot of information was kept from the people. I say this as someone who had friends and neighbours in the 80's who escaped from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary during the Cold War, and who has studied Soviet history and has numerous Russian and Ukrainian friends who grew up in the Soviet Union.
@operator0
@operator0 7 дней назад
The question I have is; Why aren't they taught this? They are taught all about Nazism, but there are virtually no classes on Communism taught in American schools, and I presume, all Western Schools. Do they know about the Ukraine "famine" that happened shortly after Staling came to power? Do they know about the cultural revolution in Maoist China? Do they know about the killing fields in Pol Pot's Cambodia? I'm sure they know about the Holocaust, but I would bet that not many people understand that Communism has killed 15 times the amount of innocent people all over the world than Fascism ever did. Why aren't they taught this fact?
@t0dd000
@t0dd000 Месяц назад
Kudos to the filmmakers for not having the actors fake bad Russian accents. They just went for it and it makes the show so much better.
@ms-literary6320
@ms-literary6320 27 дней назад
They said they tested it out, but it made it feel comic/satirical and that was the opposite of what they were going for.
@tkengathegrateful4844
@tkengathegrateful4844 25 дней назад
Same decision in The Death of Stalin - it 100% works better than "Boris-and-Natasha" Russian accents. Or reprising Alan Arkin's "Eee-mare-gency - everyone to get from street!" in "The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming".
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 Месяц назад
if anything, this show down played the effects of ionizing radiation. it didnt show the worker whose face literally melted off.
@zardify_
@zardify_ Месяц назад
It downplayed the less visual effects, but overplayed the more visual effects. Which completely makes sense for them to do.
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 Месяц назад
Hisashi Ouchi Suffered History's Worst Radiation Burns - Then Doctors Kept Him Alive For 83 Excruciating Days Against His Will. After a fateful accident at Japan's Tokaimura nuclear power plant in 1999,
@alanfoster6589
@alanfoster6589 Месяц назад
Workers were throwing up their internal organs. Too much even for HBO.
@SpearM3064
@SpearM3064 Месяц назад
@@kylereese4822 Yes, but it wasn't entirely the doctors. When he had repeated heart attacks, starting 59 days after his exposure, it was his _family_ that asked for resuscitation, until finally one of the heart attacks rendered him completely unresponsive and his family finally agreed "if his heart stops again, do not resuscitate". So if you want to be technical, the doctors only kept him alive for 59 days against his will... his family was responsible for another 24 days. Having said that, I do feel sorry for him. I mean, he was exposed to 17 sieverts of radiation (7 sieverts is usually fatal, and he received more than twice that)... and ultimately all because the JCO plant had fallen behind in fuel shipments, and JCO took shortcuts (some of which were illegal) to attempt to meet quotas. Careless material handling procedures, inexperienced technicians, inadequate supervision, obsolete safety procedures on the operating floor, and complacent employees (they had not had an accident in 15 years), poor management of operation manuals... there were a lot of factors at play that should never have been allowed.
@PBRatLord
@PBRatLord Месяц назад
​@kylereese4822 You're wrong. It wasn't against his will, Wendigoon has an amazing video that actually portrays the truth of this incident. Spreading this lie is a great disservice to not only his courage in the face of near certain death, but to his family who stood by and supported him until the bitter end as well as the amazing medical staff who did EVERYTHING in their power to save Mr Ouichi.
@Anna-TheaLittek
@Anna-TheaLittek Месяц назад
Radiation sickness isnt really explained on this show. You cant get infected by it as if it were a disease. There are four main types of radiation, alpha, beta, neutrons, and gamma. Gamma is literally the light that comes from the irradiated object. It can give you burns similar to sunburn and cancer similar to overexposure from the sun. It travels far but is stopped by lead because it is dense. Most radiation suits have a lead lining to stop this radiation. Neutron radiation is when the atom shoots out neutrons from the core. It travels really far and is stopped by water or thick concrete, which is why Dyatlov was trying to pump water into the core. Usually if something is wrong with the reactor, stopping the neutrons is a major step to stop further reactions. Neutrons dont cause much damage in the human body if you are not too close to the source but can cause damage to the body if you are close. Beta radiation is stopped by your clothing and is when the atom shoots out free electrons. It can cause burns to the outside but is mostly harmless unless you breathe it in. Alpha radiation is stopped by a thin layer of pretty much anything but is most dangerous when breathed in. The danger of the reactor is actually the ash. The ash contains small parts of irradiated objects. It is spitting out alpha and beta radiation and when it is breathed in, eaten or absorbed in other ways, it can cause the radiation sickness that you see with the firefighters or cancer if you are lucky. Good news is if you wear a decent mask and clothes, you are likely going to be shielded from this. It is also why they wash down the cars, try not to disturb the ground and worked fast to put out the fire and stop the smoke. Obviously the other forms make it harder to clean up the actual material, but it is the ash that they worked to bury and what caused the spread of radiation across Europe. TLDR The reason she was not supposed to touch her husband is not for her safety, but his. The radiation sickness killed his immune system so there is a good chance that she could infect him with another disease while he is already sick, making it much worse. Radiation isnt contagious, unless you dont clean yourself to remove irradiated dust.
@jihanaGMX
@jihanaGMX Месяц назад
A good summary, but you got 2 points wrong. 1) Gamma radiation cannot be STOPPED by lead, it cannot be stopped by anything really, but it can be greatly reduced. A small part will always go through, that´s where the ALARA principle comes in. it means As low as reasonably possible.Half a meter of shileding might be good, so 1m would be better. Sure thing. 100m would be better still, but that is not reasonable, it would be far too expensive for minimal gain. 2) You did not comment on the true problem neutron radiation causes. It channges one element to another, radioactive one. That means your body becomes radioative itself, you´re not contaminated, it cannot be washed of, the atoms of your own body become radioactive. You basically kill yourself on an atomic level.
@alastairwallace6153
@alastairwallace6153 Месяц назад
Dude up in Spartans comment is making out you only get dead from breathing in dust alone! seriously misinformed some people are, or don't care to tell the truth. This comment above is facts.
@Doom2pro
@Doom2pro Месяц назад
@@jihanaGMX Your own cells become etch a sketch scramblers of your DNA... Once your living cells start to die naturally they start to be replaced by corrupted DNA or not at all. You turn into a zombie.
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
Neutron levels were negligible very shortly after the accident and it was Fomin who wanted the water in thr core.
@lenakohl2339
@lenakohl2339 Месяц назад
The fireman was a danger to his wife. He inhaled the ash and dust.
@clarkmichaels822
@clarkmichaels822 Месяц назад
In the 80s the dangers of radiation were just not as well understood. Chernobyl was actually the reason it became publicly known how bad it could be. But the wife and even the firefighter didn't know any of that, so when she was in the hospital and the nurse told her not to touch him with no explanation, she had no idea why. It felt like an arbitrary rule because they were in a hospital.
@campagnollo
@campagnollo Месяц назад
Radiation was known, just not among the Soviet populace.
@Edninety
@Edninety Месяц назад
Yeah, didn't like that "she's so stupid" either tbh. But it's easy to forget or just not know how the situation was in that country back then regarding information and many arbitrary rules that didn't make much sense to begin with. So I'm not not gonna be too hard on them about that. After all It's just an easy reaction to have with all they get to know throughout the show.
@salmarwow
@salmarwow Месяц назад
Radiation effects were well known at that time. Early researchers of radioactivity, such as Marie Curie, noticed negative effects quite early. Marie herself died of radiation-caused sickness. But if no one tells you that core has exploded, how can you know that radiation level has increased so much? It's not something you can smell or feel.
@salmarwow
@salmarwow Месяц назад
@@campagnollo It was known pretty much at the same level casual people know about it in every corner in the world. I was kid at that time, but I still recall my parents about it when it went public and telling how shitty government is (in private, of course, it was Soviet Union) was, for sending people into parades few weeks after. I.e., when event itself wasn't a secret anymore.
@Malfehzan
@Malfehzan Месяц назад
Movies like 'The Day After (1983)' and 'Threads (1984)' did educate a lot of people as to the sort of damage radiations could do to a human body. Then again, it's not like they were shown in the USSR (well, Day After was broadcast in 1987 during the disarmament talks).
@mathiaswittinger2808
@mathiaswittinger2808 Месяц назад
There are a few things here: First, Dyatlov was not as bad as he was portrayed here, witnesses said he remained collected and acted according to his best ability. He did not know that an accident like this even could happen, but when the evidence came up, he acted on it, not like shown here. On the matter of the water, he wanted to cool the core, which he thought was still there, which would have beed the most important thing if that were the case. But this water would not be pumped with the pumps destroyed, remaining water evaporated in the fire and only the rest landed in those tanks. What filled them were the firetrucks outside, so they had to be drained, stopping the water was easy enough, but removing it was difficult. Second on the behalf of the wife: in the USSR there were a lot of rules, you constantly were told not to do this or that, and often there rules were nonsensical. Thats the reason she disobeyed the nurse for example. She did not understand the reason, why she shouldn’t touch her husband, so it must be nonsense. But radiation as such is not contagious, it’s “just” that her husband is so irradiated and has inhaled so much of the irradiated smoke and dust, that he himself is essentially gushing out radiation. On top of that his immune system will be practically gone, so touching him will give him all kinds of diseases. Not that it really matters in this situation anyway.
@tiddlesthecat1141
@tiddlesthecat1141 Месяц назад
The narrative the show goes with is the soviet narrative. Weird that they decided to go this way.
@nooneofconsequence1251
@nooneofconsequence1251 Месяц назад
Even as portrayed here, a lot of viewers misinterpret the character as acting in a way that is guided by stupidity or arrogance, when really I think it's just that he has been around long enough to know what the system in the Soviet Union is. He knows that the truth doesn't matter. He knows that everything is always supposed to work and there aren't supposed to be problems, and if problems do arise, you still report that everything is fine because anything else will be punished or ignored because your boss is some party apparatchik and his boss is some party apparatchik. Dyatlov knows that if something goes badly wrong... it doesn't matter why or how it went wrong... he's probably still going to get thrown under the bus for it. This is why he scoffs at the investigators trying to dig up the real cause.... because he believes (justifiably) that whatever is discovered will just be denied or covered up and he's probably going to wind up executed or in prison so that one of his superiors can save face. He's been broken down over time by being a part of a deeply corrupt, inefficient, nonsensical, and nontransparent system with little real accountability. I know what this is like, having worked at some pretty bullshit places before myself in Saudi Arabia; but I'm sure even there it wasn't anywhere near what it was like working in the Soviet Union. He was pushing the reactor too hard to try and meet the demands of a superior and get this test done, but the test was being performed poorly, under poor conditions, by people without adequate training, with a reactor that wasn't built to handle the stress. Dyatlov basically did as he was trained to do... disaster happened... now he knows that he's f'ed and doesn't really care because he's accepted he's going to get scapegoated.
@mathiaswittinger2808
@mathiaswittinger2808 Месяц назад
@@nooneofconsequence1251 also true, at the same time I feel like they did Dyatlov a bad service. He was not as bad as portrayed :D
@aidankrapf428
@aidankrapf428 Месяц назад
@@mathiaswittinger2808they have their villains… and their heroes… ahhhh hbo irony at its finest
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 Месяц назад
Chernobyl wasn't the 1st accident Dyatlov was around... his 1st was a Nuclear sub the effects of which killed his son(Leukaemia).... he was also seen at Chernobyl`s twin Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant that had a leak also....
@one1charlie643
@one1charlie643 Месяц назад
this show packs an extra punch because it actually happened. it's not fiction but real, those guys really went to turn off those valves, those miners really dug under the pad, those firefighters really died miserable deaths. That's why it hits you in the feels
@aj897
@aj897 Месяц назад
This show is dramatized.
@Vahisofficial
@Vahisofficial Месяц назад
​@@aj897the reality is still More horryfying cause it happened.
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 23 дня назад
@@aj897 Based on the multiple documentaries I've seen, I'd say this show is 90% accurate. Considering how bad Hollywood is at historical movies and shows, this show is one of the most accurate historical shows in film history.
@olleorlander1259
@olleorlander1259 Месяц назад
When this happened in 1986 the radioactivity when with the wind to Sweden among other countries. The most came to my home town Gävle. We first though it was from the nearest nuclear powerplant here which was 80 km away until we learnt it came from Ukraine. For some years we were not allowed to eat mushrooms or meat from wild animals hunted in the forest here. The day I learnt about it was a sunny day but I saw two people with umbrellas so I asked why they had them. They thought it would protect from the nuclear powder falling from the sky.... I still live here in Gävle, we still have traces of radioactivity in the mushrooms, but now we eat them as its lower rates.
@Quzga
@Quzga Месяц назад
My family lived in Valla at the time I believe, my grandpa was ceo of Kronfågel and I heard many stories. Mostly my mom said they couldn't pick any berries/mushrooms that year and they were sad about it. I don't remember if they had to put down the chickens or not though. Kul med mer svenskar, intressant att läsa andra perspektiv. Jag föddes 10 år senare so missade det men min familj pratade mkt om det!
@dunbar9finger
@dunbar9finger 29 дней назад
And you guys in Sweden were the ones to break the story to the outside world forcing the Soviets to have to officially admit to it. Your nuclear plant workers kept setting off the radiation meters meant to check them daily for any possible trace contamination at work. But it was discovered that they were already setting off the meters on the way *in* to work so they were contaminated from something outside the building. Taking readings from the surrounding areas proved the particles were carried into the area on the winds so the fallout was coming from somewhere upwind of Sweden. Sweden raised the warning and started asking neighboring countries what happened. When those countries also took readings of the general land it became clear from the pattern of readings that the upwind source had to be inside the USSR. The USSR was forced to admit the accident because the alternative explanation was contaminating their neighbors on purpose and that could cause a war. When Sweden shared findings with the world the US revealed that they had spy satellite images of the damage at the Chernobyl building but had still been processing the information to see how bad it was.
@alecleibensperger4869
@alecleibensperger4869 Месяц назад
I genuinely think the ending shot of this episode is one if the darkest depictions ive ever scene. The cement just slowly covering the last thing associated with her lover, her shattered blank stare just holding into that last glimpse of the casket of her lover that she will ever get.
@CsikiAttila
@CsikiAttila Месяц назад
They poured concrete not to make them inaccessible but to contain the radiation. Radiation is stopped by mass, which is why the very heavy lead (Pb) is usually used by X-ray technicians, for example, for radiation shielding. In this case, concrete was the most practical solution.
@christophtoifl6848
@christophtoifl6848 Месяц назад
I don't think it's about the radiation itself, a few feet of dirt would stop pretty much everything. It is to make sure the radioactive material can't get into the ground water.
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 Месяц назад
Wouldn't of been a bad thing to shred Lead and mix in the concrete.... anything to stop radiation is a good thing even if it`s outside the box.
@gregpeacock5497
@gregpeacock5497 Месяц назад
from what I have read, the coffins were encased in lead vaults and then buried in concrete.
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
They didn’t pour concrete on them. That is fictional they were buried in normal individual graves in zinc coffins.
@MrPetej00
@MrPetej00 29 дней назад
@@gregpeacock5497 Zinc Coffins
@acereporter73
@acereporter73 Месяц назад
"What is everyone gonna hear?" Such a cold, barely veiled threat...
@anonymousfx5254
@anonymousfx5254 Месяц назад
For those wondering what kind of flashlights those divers switched to, so they worked under radiation, those were mechanical flashlights where you need to squeeze them all the time to produce static energy and therefore having light. Those were quite common in soviet union. 0 batteries, just static energy.
@tommcewan7936
@tommcewan7936 Месяц назад
As I understand it, such flashlights were not actually used at Chernobyl in reality. The three divers went in with battery torches which did fail (quite possibly not due to radiation, but very likely just due to stale/defective batteries; civilian domestic products in the USSR's over-stretched economy tended to be of incredibly low quality compared to stuff made for export or for military/KGB/scientific use), and then had to feel their way to the correct valves in darkness. The mechanical torches are just a device used in the TV show as a substitute for this because it'd obviously be impossible to actually depict what it's like to work by feel in total darkness on film.
@szeddezs
@szeddezs 10 дней назад
A known fact for Metro 2033 players :)
@gamingeagle19
@gamingeagle19 Месяц назад
The latency stage between when you first get irradiated and when your body starts truly imploding is called the "walking ghost" stage. A very apt and horrifying name.
@tubekulose
@tubekulose Месяц назад
9:45 By the way, he didn't say the radiation would have disappeared in 24,000 years but that the half-life of plutonium-239 was 24,000 years, which means that even 24,000 years later the material would still be at 50% of its initial radiation level. 26:25 Of course, they are obviously KGB agents.
@8228js
@8228js 29 дней назад
You must understand the mindset of someone raised in a murderous dictatorship, like the soviet one (who is actually coming back now): if you're told something, like "a RBMK reactor can't explode," then you don't question it; in fact, for some, the mere possibility becames inconceivable, and that is why Diatlov's mind simply refused what his eyes were seeing. The higher-ups told you something, then questioning it is impossible, because you can actually be imprisoned and killed if you do. The KGB permeated every level of society, and people were either true believers (and a fair number of those were killed too), or was just terrified and tried to live under the radar.
@gregpeacock5497
@gregpeacock5497 Месяц назад
This is the Soviet Union, NO ONE was told about radiation. The wife was told not to touch her husband, but never why.
@aj897
@aj897 Месяц назад
“Oh a nuclear power plant exploded, I wonder why I can’t touch my firefighter husband???”
@karolswieboda1781
@karolswieboda1781 Месяц назад
@aj897 Are you for real? There wasn't internet back then, ordinary people didn't know about radiation, you will find people even today who don't know how it works.
@diamcole
@diamcole Месяц назад
@@aj897 Did you miss that this was the first incident of its kind? ON THE PLANET?
@jamessuhr4074
@jamessuhr4074 Месяц назад
Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure even the Americans didn't fully understand radiation until the 70s thanks to government suppression to prevent people from feeling any sympathies for the Japanese
@RealBradMiller
@RealBradMiller Месяц назад
​@@aj897Why are all your comments rude?! Can you not find something you enjoy watching on a platform with millions of creators or do you enjoy being a bully slinging schoolyard insults? Hope whatever is happening in your life that makes you unhappy comes to pass and you grow as a person, but good lort you seem miserable. 🥂🫂
@cuyhater
@cuyhater Месяц назад
The baby is an abstraction; Vasily is real, he's her husband, and he's suffering the most horrible death imaginable: Lyudmilla isn't stupid.
@yester30
@yester30 Месяц назад
Careless though
@Adwaenyth
@Adwaenyth Месяц назад
Here in Germany, 1000-1500 km away, we still have to scan hunted wild animals for radiation in some areas. Mushrooms (which the wild animals also eat) could **still** contain Caesium 137 in non negligable quantities. So there is still an advisory to not consume mushrooms in these regions in larger quantities.
@EasyGameEh
@EasyGameEh 28 дней назад
the thing about "trust, but verify" proverb is that in russian verbs sound similarly, basically they rhyme, so it's "doveryai, no proveryai"
@joemacdonald6312
@joemacdonald6312 Месяц назад
21:29 What is happening to him is called Necrosis, which means he is literally rotting away while still alive.
@leslieturner8276
@leslieturner8276 Месяц назад
Just a few points: 📍Regarding the guy who lost his face, in reality his wife was present whenever he was asked questions, because she was the only one who understood his replies 📍The prison cell scene was filmed at a real ex-KGB prison 📍The fireman's wife holding slippers at the graveside, did happen in reality. They were brand new slippers that he never wore
@iulianhodorog9979
@iulianhodorog9979 Месяц назад
Now, with the 3 volunteers there's a bit of dramatization. In reality nobody volunteered, it was simply their shift that day. But the scene means to emphasize that there were moments of bravery shown by simple people throughout the event. Enjoy the rest of the show, I'm looking forward to the rest of it!
@gregpeacock5497
@gregpeacock5497 Месяц назад
Funny how EVERY single news outlet about Chernobyl recognizes the 3 men as volunteers. Does not matter which search engine you use.
@Quzga
@Quzga Месяц назад
​​@@gregpeacock5497sometimes online "news" is like a human centipede. You check the source and it's another site, you check that source and same thing. Then you realize it's a loop of news sites quoting other sites but no real evidence lol
@victoriasullivan1394
@victoriasullivan1394 Месяц назад
yeah i remember watching an interview with one of them and he basically said "we were given a job to do and so we did it"
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
@@gregpeacock5497they weren’t, like with everything misinformation is rife. They were plant employees and it was their task. Also the task was not even dangerous their doses were so low they couldn’t even remember them.
@peterwalkerden6778
@peterwalkerden6778 Месяц назад
"Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred."
@ms-literary6320
@ms-literary6320 27 дней назад
“The Charge of the Light Brigade” Alfred Lord Tennyson
@karottenkopf1520
@karottenkopf1520 29 дней назад
21:20 The show directors actually toned down the gruesomeness of cell death caused by the radiation. This was hard to look at.... but seeing organs liquify and their eyes decompose while suffering pain unimaginnable. I understand their decision.
@Shiftry87
@Shiftry87 Месяц назад
After this show released 1 of the miners alive today very mutch insisted that they most definatly were not entierly naked. I cant remember if he mentioned if all of the miners toke there cloths off but they did not take there underwear off.
@SpearM3064
@SpearM3064 Месяц назад
True. They were not completely naked. They were wearing more than just "the f--king hats".
@kongvinter33
@kongvinter33 Месяц назад
25:00 they dont show you this guys face because by this point he didnt have a face. the showrunners decided not to be too graphic. From what Ive heard there are pictures of all of them but I wouldnt recommend looking for them.
@thanosandnobill3789
@thanosandnobill3789 Месяц назад
12:00 According to some Russian friends this tv series is more than 90% accurate but this is the most inaccurate scene of the entire show. Mikhail Shadov was actually a former miner worker himself and not arrogant at all.
@SpearM3064
@SpearM3064 Месяц назад
Yes. And, IRL, Mikhail was built like a fireplug in comparison to the actor who portrayed him (which is no surprise, since he was a former miner himself).
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
Lol who told you that, 10% of this show is accurate the rest is fiction.
@paulandreev
@paulandreev Месяц назад
The thing is that you are only able to realize 10% of what you have seen.
@geneticjen9312
@geneticjen9312 Месяц назад
"This guy has balls!" I loved this foreshadowing haha
@cheebees
@cheebees Месяц назад
LOL, Pudgey "Why don't they suit them up in the bus to give them a fighting chance?" a minute later "The masks don't work or you'd be wearing them" Pudgey "That'll be me"
@salmarwow
@salmarwow Месяц назад
Well, don't expect much logic from Pudgey and you'll never be disappointed. She's a nice reactor and pays attention to details, but logic is not her strongest virtue.
@keanancupido
@keanancupido Месяц назад
What makes this show even more scary is that these things actually happened. That's why when I watched it it just felt far worse than most things I've watched. It's so sad 😭
@Victoratify
@Victoratify Месяц назад
As for Ulyana Khamyuk, the authors of the series themselves admitted that she is a fiction. And supposedly she is a collective image of all the specialists who worked to eliminate the accident. What complete nonsense. More than a million people were involved in the liquidation of the accident. Even if we take only the layer of chief specialists and scientists, then even then it is impossible to imagine how this entire huge crowd, instead of fulfilling their duties in Chernobyl, runs around hospitals and looks for some kind of secret in Moscow hospitals, without taking off clothes contaminated with radiation. Khamyuk and Legasov even come to meetings in the Kremlin in these clothes. 14 minutes 55 seconds - I don't know how to comment on this. Legasov and Shcherbina walk through a city contaminated with radiation. Oh, these calming evenings among radionuclides, it’s so wonderful!
@andromidius
@andromidius 18 дней назад
It takes a certain special confidence for an actor to accurately portray a Soviet era mine boss.
@lunagal
@lunagal Месяц назад
If the wife has health problems from the radiation, it’s not from touching her husband. The mere fact she was living there in Pripyat when it happened was enough to damage her DNA. Being there until later the next day, before she left for Moscow, means she was exposed PLUS just living in Ukraine was dangerous. Everyone in all those countries were living in the elevated radiation…so even if she left the Pripyat area, she was getting radiation. When the person you love is scared and dying, you don’t abandon them. People call her stupid but she loves him and doesn’t know where else to be. The general public had no training, just people barking orders at them. She didn’t understand …it was almost 40 years ago. Even you guys didn’t understand…and you have the internet.
@aj897
@aj897 Месяц назад
Touching him definitely made it worse.
@memsesosmo5084
@memsesosmo5084 Месяц назад
Her story is straight from Svetlana Alexievich's book Voices from Chernobyl which is an oral history of the event. I agree that reactors are often too harsh with the character. Her interview really struck me because she talks about love in the fairytale kind of way - a karmic force, a destiny that can't be changed, almost a curse. I do think the instructions were at least in some part for her safety. Her husband was breathing out irradiated molecules and having the body take them in to radiate cells from inside is just bad. But by her account she was truly unable to do so, even fully knowing it would hurt her in some ways. She knew about radiation the way most people without an interest in science know about radiation: it's bad and you should avoid it. But she didn't know the details. She should be given more grace.
@SpearM3064
@SpearM3064 Месяц назад
@@aj897 No, it really didn't. Radiation isn't a disease; you can't be "infected" or "contagious". They had already removed his contaminated clothes and washed him, so the only remaining radiation would be _inside_ him, in the particles he breathed into his lungs. The worst threat to her is if he breathes on her. Also, even though she and her husband didn't know it at the time (due to the Soviet culture of misinformation), but the REAL reason not to touch him is that it destroys the immune system. Even a minor cold could have been lethal to him. Of course, he was dying anyway, but still... "it's bad enough I was dying of radiation sickness, but my wife sneezed on me" is not exactly a great epitaph.
@TonyDiCroce
@TonyDiCroce Месяц назад
Notice how in episode two when Boris shows up the local bureaucrats immediately hand him a list of who is at fault? All of these men, including especially Dyatlov had at the top of their mind not being blamed for this (because they knew it likely meant torture in some Siberian prison until they died). The reason that Dyatlov couldn't admit the core had exploded was because he knew he would then be responsible for it.
@technofilejr3401
@technofilejr3401 Месяц назад
27:27 Managing this catastrophe while fighting an extended war in Afghanistan destroyed the Soviet Union. That’s why 5 years later it collapsed.
@tommcewan7936
@tommcewan7936 Месяц назад
There's a reason Afghanistan is also known as "The Graveyard of Empires."
@AirShark95
@AirShark95 Месяц назад
Even Gorbachev said Chernobyl was the event that broke the Soviet Union
@tommcewan7936
@tommcewan7936 Месяц назад
@@AirShark95 I know, but getting militarily bogged down in Afghanistan - which is basically what *always happens* when you invade Afghanistan - is unlikely to have helped matters.
@pscm9447
@pscm9447 Месяц назад
About your last point, that is precisely how they were referring to it : a battle against an invisible enemy. For the soviets, the mobilization around this event is literally described in military terms. It was considered a war, a battle. In french, in some articles, we were calling this enemy that they were fighting the "black evil" of radioactivity.
@robertwinfree3197
@robertwinfree3197 Месяц назад
If you like to read, I highly recommend Midnight in Chernobyl by Adam Higginbotham. It goes into a lot of detail about what happened and why it happened but also about the reasons people acted as they did. Keep in mind this happened under a totalitarian government under which millions of people disappeared and were never heard from again. 1980s USSR was a completely different world.
@RoboSteave
@RoboSteave Месяц назад
Funny, Spartan used the word eerie. I worked in nuclear plants for a bit over five years of my career and I always thought they were eerie. Just the thought that there could be something in the air that I couldn't see, feel, or smell that could kill me... eerie. Well, obviously it didn't kill me, LOL.
@campagnollo
@campagnollo Месяц назад
Welcome to Soviet life, where you are monitored constantly by the KGB.
@nicklaque7706
@nicklaque7706 Месяц назад
The Divers in real life didn't have backup flashlights. They did that entirely in the dark. They added the flashlights for the show.
@letitiabeausoleil4025
@letitiabeausoleil4025 Месяц назад
It's worth pushing through to the end. Loved your reactions, guys.
@zdenekcizek6681
@zdenekcizek6681 13 дней назад
There are so many small and clever details "hidden" in plain sight in this series. For instance the scene when the firefighter and his wife hug in the hospital, the screen flashes as if the actual film in the camera was being overexposed by the radiation still being emitted from the firefighter's irradiated body.
@Sir_Alex
@Sir_Alex Месяц назад
Those miners mean business .... "They work in the dark, they see everything"
@salmarwow
@salmarwow Месяц назад
Well, I know there is no point, but in this show I'd suggest you don't think much about something you missed. It's not the show about conspiracy theories, there are no hidden clues. It's about real event and more or less, it's about how they dealt with situation and how they investigated. If they don't know, you can't deduce. I mean, you don't even know what Roentgen is.
@efricha
@efricha 29 дней назад
Lyudmilla did not like how she was portrayed in this series. In reality, she took care of several men as well as Vasily because the hospital was overwhelmed. Also, what happened to Vasily was far more gruesome. This is toned down a bit.
@platinumnitrocharge4218
@platinumnitrocharge4218 Месяц назад
The more you read about Chernobyl the bleaker and more depressing it is, like the shadows of workers bodies blasted onto the corridor walls.
@kateofone
@kateofone 26 дней назад
Wait what do you mean? I thought those who died just died from radiation sickness.
@heinrichmay7169
@heinrichmay7169 Месяц назад
The thing about the minister of coal: real one was a miner in the past, he was much more competent.
@kilmone
@kilmone Месяц назад
25:15 Nice blurs 🤣 Jokes aside, it's good too see you enjoying this series. It's deff a top 5
@panzerwolf494
@panzerwolf494 Месяц назад
It's not that she's in danger, it's that he is. After the exposure the fire fighters got their immune systems were destroyed. Yes, they're going to die anyways, but medical staff are trying to save their lives with skin grafts and marrow transplants, anything to try and save them, and her exposing him to disease isn't helping. The guy the lady interviews that's 25, that's tuptonov. He's the youngest of the operators to die, and afterwards the Soviet Union made them scapegoats and blamed everything on them. Their headstones were vandalized, all except his because of his picture on the headstone of him being so young. His father had a small bench installed so he could come talk to him and mourn. some people said they would see his dad sleeping on the bench at night from time to time
@mattburgess5697
@mattburgess5697 Месяц назад
You got the details of the water at the start wrong. Basically that part was NOT Dyatalov. There were big tanks underneath the reactor. Legasov assumed they were empty, but he forgot that they’d been filled up by the firefighters. This part was NOT Dyatalov’s fault. Apart from the fact that he blew up the reactor in the first place. Also the dudes going into the water here were draining the water from those tanks, not filling them. Dyatalov wanting coolant in his reactor at the start was unrelated. Also the guys who went in survived.
@Victoratify
@Victoratify Месяц назад
All three survived. And they gave many interviews. And when asked why you went there, you answered: it was my duty, if I had not gone, then how would I have looked my colleagues in the eyes?
@charybdisfgl2048
@charybdisfgl2048 20 дней назад
Touching radiation victims is actually not dangerous as long as they were properly washed/cleaned from any dust or debris. Their body was destroyed by radiation, but there is no material inside their body that could further cause any radiation, thus no damage to you.
@musqwatrax708
@musqwatrax708 14 дней назад
The three volunteers survived the trip because they were rave, careful and lucky. The ground they walked on was covered with fallen radioactive particles which made a type a shield. And even if contaminated, water is a natural neutron shield because of its hydrogen. They 'walked the razors edge'.
@technofilejr3401
@technofilejr3401 Месяц назад
6:32 The actress playing the wife is actually Irish. Her name is Jessie Buckley and she is quite the chameleon
@s1lm4r1l6
@s1lm4r1l6 Месяц назад
She's so good.
@tombul
@tombul Месяц назад
Nobody was to blame really. It was the state of the Soviet Union at that time not to not draw attention to any failure of Mother Russia, Whilst the plant itself possessed an inherently unsafe design, the wider culture in the Soviet Union at the time discouraged raising concerns or speaking up about mistakes. Even America kept the fact that there was a near disaster at 3 mile Island when the core there started to melt down. The USA and the USSR didn't want to show there was any weakness in their countries. Watching it on the news as it happened was horrible and not any different to how you are both reacting. With the Internet nowadays it is much more difficult for governments to keep things secret from the people.
@dontshanonau1335
@dontshanonau1335 Месяц назад
There's been multiple nuclear disasters and near nuclear disasters in the US that were only rwvealed after specific FOIA requests were filed, including several accidentally dropped nukes, both in the ocean and on US soil.
@kylewilson2819
@kylewilson2819 Месяц назад
3 Mile Island was nowhere near as bad as this. And the Western Nuclear Industry was FAR more safety oriented than their Soviet counterparts. As the show points out in the finale, Western Reactors have containment buildings, use properly enriched fuel AND use far safer designs that don't allow for reactors to melt down in this way. The closest Nuclear disaster in a non-communist nation that can be compared to Chernobyl is Fukashima in Japan. THAT was caused by the company not following proper safety regulations and thus being caught unprepared by an earthquake and Tsunami. Even still, the disaster was largely contained almost immediately and NO ONE died in the disaster.
@jrafel1707
@jrafel1707 Месяц назад
The cold war was a terrible time. Not a missile was fired, but the fear of a missile being fired from the 2 superpowers and WW3 breaking out was very real and something the populations lived with on a daily basis. Younger generations may not understand the tension that existed then and how an authoritarian regime that suppressed news for propaganda became even more controlling of what people said to who when word might leak out that might make them look weak to their rivals. There is no way that the USSR would let any news out that might show any flaw and I remember news broadcasts from the USA of the incident and how little info the USSR let out.
@Cam-yu8wy
@Cam-yu8wy 29 дней назад
It's a bit unfortunate they often go with artistic license instead of getting the science right on this show, but I still love how well made it is. And then of course Harris and Skarsgård are solid actors with great on-screen chemistry that elevates the show even further - excellent casting
@ryanhodin5014
@ryanhodin5014 25 дней назад
For the record, the three people at the beginning didn't actually have hand-cranked flashlights - They really did complete their mission, in complete darkness, and the lights were for our benefit as the show's audience. They also didn't have the geiger counters, for the exact reason you mentioned - It wouldn't be helpful to hear the buzzing of apocalypic levels of radioactivity in the detector. Again, the sound is for our benefit, so we remember how horrifically dangerous is it to stand where those men are standing.
@campagnollo
@campagnollo Месяц назад
To answer your prologue, the reactor was never sabotaged. But to explain more would be spoiling. But don’t worry, those answers are coming and with great clarity, including how a RBMK reactor explodes.
@saulmadrid9950
@saulmadrid9950 Месяц назад
Spartan, you hit the nail on the head commenting on how heavy this show is. Episode after episode shows the small victories only to fall short of a solution. You both have started to notice one of the plot points of this horrendous event: it was the people, those volunteers who are the real heroes who volunteered to clean the area up and gave their lives doing so.
@busterbell871n
@busterbell871n Месяц назад
New subscriber. Really enjoyed your commentary during the show.
@crimiusXIII
@crimiusXIII 29 дней назад
One thing I've heard about the incident was that Chernobyl was, of course, a reactor built and running on land. Most of the engineers that would have made decisions that day were former military engineers on nuclear submarines, which is a VERY different context and different safety conditions that need to be accounted for during operation. There was also an experiment setup that was forced to run long due to grid demands, which meant it ran into a new shift and crew that hadn't prepped to run this test. When they finally stopped this test, and went to start their own shift's test, is when alarm bells should have started ringing, but for some reason nobody rang them or understood the signs, and when they started increasing power again...kaboom. The truth is this was Soviet Russia, and nobody survived who might have the key to understanding what went wrong, specifically, which is why we have TV like this and numerous investigations into it.
@realBkay
@realBkay Месяц назад
Vasily screaming - and so the s-l-o-w liquification of his internal organs begins. An horrific death.
@phj223
@phj223 Месяц назад
"Now you look like the Minister of Coal."
@ashleyowen7664
@ashleyowen7664 25 дней назад
20:12- these are the "T.V. friendly" injuries, and given the MANY, MANY documentaries i've seen on Chernobyl, believe me when i say these are LIGHT injuries! 25:25 - Akimov went to he grave saying those words " i did everything right", and to my knowledge, they did everything they could from start to finish, but Dyatlov was "calling the shots"
@LolUGotBusted
@LolUGotBusted 17 дней назад
"And then in three days to three weeks, you are dead." In 1999, Hisashi Ouchi, a Japanese nuclear fuel plant worker was exposed to critical levels of radiation. He suffered the worst radiation burns in history. He lived for 83 agonizing days.
@phj223
@phj223 Месяц назад
I didn't think of it before, but couldn't they have set up showers for the miners to wash off and cool down as part of their rotation..? 🤔
@IgoZoom1
@IgoZoom1 Месяц назад
Corruption was rife in the Soviet Union and bribes were a way of life. When Lyudmila bribed the first nurse at the hospital, that was just the way things were done. In a show without much kindness, there are two things that stood out to me. The second nurse (who wouldn't take a bribe, but let her see Vasily) and when Ulana wiped the blood away from Toptonov's nose. It was believed at the time that touching someone with radiationing poisoning was dangerous and the show depicted that. But it is now known that isn't the case. Their clothes were dangerous, but at this point their bodies aren't. The shot of Vasily (the last time we see him) still keeps me up at night! The miners were badass. The crew chief is my hero!
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 Месяц назад
It is extremely dangerous to touch the patient... for the patient, though. For however much that's worth; none of them have a functioning immune system and their skin is completely porous. If they hadn't have died of systemic failure so quickly they would have succumbed to whatever pathogens they managed to come across, even regular airborne mold spores can and will take root and grow. Lethal radiation poisoning at this level will allow a living body to start rotting like a warm corpse.
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
It wasn’t believed that radiation sickness was contagious, the show butchers that. It was to keep the patients safe from infections and also some patients were emitting very small amounts of radiation (Kurguz and Degtyarenko) as they inhaled radioactive nuclides.
@DaveWraptastic
@DaveWraptastic Месяц назад
Thinking Dyatlov might be a spy is a level of Soviet paranoia that would make you an excellent KGB agent. 😂I have no doubts KGB agents looked into his history to determine if he did any of this on purpose.
@canadiankazz
@canadiankazz 23 дня назад
Not sure if this was mentioned in the last video, but yeah... the men who went to turn the pumps off had to do it in complete darkness. The falsehood for TV is that they were able to get their lights working again. The are true heroes.
@PaiMei667
@PaiMei667 Месяц назад
17:30 Pudgey you can prove your self-congratulation in the series DARK. 🤷‍♂😉
@grantharriman284
@grantharriman284 16 дней назад
The one bright light in this dark tale, one singular point of justice; the three men who went into the tunnels all lived to old age. The first of them died only a few years ago. They were completely ready to die in the effort to save millions, but they lived.
@bieltann9058
@bieltann9058 17 дней назад
"He's got balls" Yep... and you're about to see them
@Drew1701D
@Drew1701D Месяц назад
It doesn't spoil it, but the engineers followed the procedure by the book, pressed AZ5 and it still exploded, that's what is dawning on the female scientist...that something else must have been wrong from the beginning
@slebetman
@slebetman Месяц назад
The actual cause will be explained by later seasons but the REAL reason the managers acted the way the did was because it was literally IMPOSSIBLE for an RBMK reactor to explode. And because it was impossible, it was therefore IMPOSSIBLE for the core to be exposed. And since that literally cannot ever happen the only explanation of people saying that there was graphite on the ground is that they were lying. However what the managers didn't know was that they were not actually dealing with a proper RBMK reactor. This problem is with us today - when you KNOW that something is impossible you dismiss people saying that they saw it happen. The problem is you don't question how you know what you KNOW.
@slebetman
@slebetman Месяц назад
We actually see the same thing (but not radioactive) happen with the market crash of 2008. Everyone KNEW it was "impossible" to lose money giving out housing loans. Turns out that that "knowledge" was based on an assumption that was no longer true between 2005-2008
@Artfulcas
@Artfulcas 19 дней назад
Someone is saying: “You have to understand: This is not your husband anymore, not a beloved person, but a radioactive object with a strong density of poison-ing. You are not suicidal. Get ahold of yourself.” And I’m like someone who’s lost her mind: “But I love him! I love him!” He’s sleeping, and I’m whispering: “I love you!” Walking in the hospital courtyard, “I love you.” Carrying his sanitary tray, “I love you.” I remember how we used to live at home. He only fell asleep at night after he’d taken my hand. That was a habit of his- to hold my hand while he slept. All night. So in the hospital I take his hand and I don’t let go. --- Lyudmilla Ignatenko, the widow of firefighter Vasily Ignatenko, Voices from Chernobyl, by Svetlana Alexeivich (transl. Keith Gessen) 😔
@yasminesteinbauer8565
@yasminesteinbauer8565 Месяц назад
Pudgey is an easy target for conspiracy ideas it seems.😂
@MrPudelNudel
@MrPudelNudel Месяц назад
The workers that were drafted for the work around the Chernobyl area to clean the rubble trucks and lay over the ground before the dome building were not send into death, but rather a very high risk of cancer, many of them were from Prison camps i like two friends of my father who tried to escape east Germany, they got cotton clothing as protection that got incinerated after every shift but the ones working at the direct site could wear what they wanted because it didn't realy change the outcome and they were there because they understood the necessaty, ive heard this story my whole life and i realy like how the show portraits the workers in a more optimistic way than what i was told.
@IulianYT
@IulianYT Месяц назад
the showrunners went to heard on Dyatlov as far as I understood. I even saw an interview with him, but some years after the events, and he was nothing like the portrayal in the series.
@blinkachu5275
@blinkachu5275 Месяц назад
not "nothing like the portrayal of the series" He very much was stern and very much also pushed to do the test despite not having the correct situation for it to happen What you people have to realize is that this show is NOT a documentary. It's based on Voices from Chernobyl, meaning it's told from the perspective of the people that told their stories of how they perceived the event. It's why not everything is historically accurate.
@MLennholm
@MLennholm Месяц назад
He was exaggerated in the series but it's not accurate to say he was nothing like that. Check the drama-documentary _Zero Hour: Disaster at Chernobyl_ for a more reasonable and accurate portrayal. He was arrogant and his decisions are what led to the disaster but he wasn't as mean-spirited and delusional as depicted in this show.
@elric5371
@elric5371 Месяц назад
@@MLennholmno, his decisions didn’t lead to disaster, he was fulfilling a supervisory role. The cause of the accident was improper soviet design.
@MetalGuitarTimo
@MetalGuitarTimo Месяц назад
im always shocked by how little people know about the KGB and the horrors of communism in general... maybe thats why so many young people dont see the danger in it
@carriepybus8929
@carriepybus8929 Месяц назад
I remember watching the news and not fully understanding but knew horrible horrible things were happening in Chernobyl @ the time when western news agencies started having things to say and show during this event. I like your reactions so far, and appreciate your perspectives being so much younger and knowing hardly anything at all @ the beginning of this epic true event tv show. The biggest changes for tv are combining people into one character, and simplifying some of the hard stuff (all types of difficulty or hard tv reality) to be better understood without needing to read a textbook on the event or seek therapy after.
@Luca-games007
@Luca-games007 Месяц назад
A history fact. few days after the disaster in 1986 the radioactive smoke started to reaching Poland. my parents who was 20+ at that time were ordered (as long as the rest of a whole country) to take a Iodine tabs to prevent of possible cancer illness. I was born 3 years later and Im still considered as a in danger of being ill in my life. My whole generation actually, who borned around that time. Thanks to luck, they managed to stop the melting of the core becoz I wouldnt bere here at all.
@warriorpitbull1170
@warriorpitbull1170 Месяц назад
To understand the attitude and demeanor of Dyatlov, the KGB and Soviet officials like Scherbina, you have to understand the way communism operates. The blame always went to the workers even though communist propaganda always revered the workers (famous communist party slogan - 'Workers of the World Unite!'). The purpose was to mitigate any blame that may have been laid on the government. Higher-ups were never held accountable because they were representatives of 'The Party' (the communist party) - and nothing NOTHING is allowed to besmirch The Party.
@bobdonda
@bobdonda Месяц назад
TIL there's an interview with Dyatlov that was only found and put on RU-vid a few years ago, subtitled in English
@kmortensen9312
@kmortensen9312 Месяц назад
The miners didnt work naked and they did in fact use their breath masks.. the whole "if they worked you would be using them" line might sound impressive but when you take a second to think about it its stupid cause they were sitting in a building a fair distance from the disaster site and they werent busy digging a hole which would still kick up dust into the air fans or not
@stuartfletcher9742
@stuartfletcher9742 26 дней назад
People in Western Europe where fully aware of the dangers of radiation. Anyone who was trained for frontline military fighting knew the details of what happened in these circumstances. It's only since 1992 that training and the giving of info to the public has stopped.
@lenakohl2339
@lenakohl2339 Месяц назад
The firemen had no clue what was going on, they sacrified themselfes without knowing that they did. But without their work, it would have been much worse.
@stevesmith4600
@stevesmith4600 Месяц назад
Wow, I'm actually impressed by Spatan and his rationale here. Pudgey's gone full tinfoil hat conspiracy mode, but Spartan's not having it, based on the scope of the show, how it's been fairly grounded, and what they've presented thus far. Usually Spartan's off in the deep end with his theories, and Pudgey's reeling him in. I like the twist of the rol3 reversal here.
@dunkyvslife7447
@dunkyvslife7447 Месяц назад
Mankind can F up so much! The one thing that gives me hope is the unexpected heroism of the 'common man'.
@MrKjenningsiii
@MrKjenningsiii Месяц назад
I'm so glad you guys are watching this series. It's amazing and VERY truthful.
@flugsven
@flugsven 17 дней назад
It's weird to see the evil oozing out from Paul Ritter (Dyatlov) after seing him in Friday Night Dinner!
@kappa_06
@kappa_06 Месяц назад
I'm so sure the next ep will make you both cry, even Spartan. This show is heavyest at each ep !
@doubleubee7523
@doubleubee7523 27 дней назад
6:44 "Not that she knows of" Yes, she did know she was pregnant. At the beginning of the movie, she throws up in the bathroom, and as she walks out, as the reactor explodes.
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