Thomas DeLauer and Layne Norton: The Interview You Never Saw Coming! | Low Carb, Keto, CICO and MORE

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Bet you didn't see this coming! I sat down with Thomas DeLauer, past WTF subject, to try and have an intellectually honest conversation and "reach across the aisle" to try and continue the mission of promoting evidence-based fitness and nutrition. Let me know in the comments if you want to see more content like this and thanks to Thomas for having me on his channel.
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@ThomasDeLauerOfficial 2 года назад

I have to say, I know that some may not like me, may not agree with me, etc, but I sincerely am trying to look at every possible angle with nutrition. I appreciate Layne taking this step to interview with me so that we can be constructive as a whole. Oh and for the record, bananas aren’t bad. If I could delete that cringe worthy ad from peoples memory, I would be a happy man. I think having kids and focusing on family really has just helped me realize what I want out of life. Thanks to all that have enjoyed my content and given it a chance. And HUGE thanks to Layne for reaching across the aisle for this. So much respect.

@wildcaughtrob 2 года назад

We’re all figuring it out. You built a business and a great life for yourself saying some things that may not have been true. But the fact you’re on here with a man who’s given you slack for awhile says a lot about your character and that’s everything. I’m sure you regained a lot of maybe past lost respect today & I’ll be looking to you again for information. Thank you.

@Tonytone2727 2 года назад

I think I can speak for the vast majority of us when I say that we appreciate your humility & willingness to take ownership. Looking forward to more conversations like this in the future!

@Frank305786 2 года назад

At the beginning of my nutrition journey they used to be a huge fan of You Thomas, later as I learn more I began to become a little more skeptical of you. However, I really admire you for reaching across the aisle and doing this. It has brought a lot of respect back for you!

@undeniablereality9904 2 года назад

All of us have been wrong, but not all of us make an effort to change that. Especially those who have built a public profile and business around something that they now may need to rethink.

@Icipher4 2 года назад

I've always liked you Thomas. I think you generally steer in the right direction.

@FitLabb 2 года назад

Couldn’t agree more that civil discussions like this can only be productive, especially when it’s with people who are on polar opposite sides of many issues. Really appreciate that you did this! 👍

@TheDerekDalton 2 года назад

Can we get politicians to do the same with policy and during the election cycle?

@P0Lak2012 2 года назад

Gay

@P0Lak2012 2 года назад

@@TheDerekDalton no we cant

@gregdoucette 2 года назад

Lots of education. I agree. Id rather not have censorship even for crap tic tok vids.

@albertodelacruz4632 2 года назад

This is no christian Mingel coach jk

@BigDees19 Год назад

On no not the bro science guy the drama queen of fitness RU-vid the douche Douchette guy or the con artist ego maniac Manlet guy here damn he tries to ruin all fitness for everyone. Dudes like a fly.

@manifestabundance-pu6ex 6 месяцев назад

Visit India 🇮🇳 some day

@davidwinter2096 Год назад

8:00 Fructose and Saturated fat, fatty liver 15:00 Research 20:00 Calorie restrictions, obesity intermittent, fasting 30:00 Gluten, wrong associations, different diets, what works for you 34:00 Gut, fiber 45:00 Calorie tracking 54:00 Carb insulin model 58:00 Insulin, appetite

@DavidRoetman 2 года назад

Both individuals have helped thousands of people restore their health. That is necessary when 47% of Americans have hypertension and 1 in 2 Americans have either prediabetes or diabetes. They both agree on CICO/energy balance for weight loss. But as we all know, many factors impact that equation and both of these men have helped people sustain a caloric deficit. Great to see a discussion to pick apart the biochem and details behind their philosophies.

@WarrenLee 2 года назад

Applause to both Thomas and Layne on this collaboration, I lost over 100lbs following tips from Thomas then started following folks like Layne. Respect, thanks and praise to both for putting out helpful advise to the masses.

@cheliospanama9786 2 года назад

Great job Layne and Thomas…we need more influencers to influence each other for the better. 👏👏👏👏👏👍💪🤘🤙😎

@lauralittle6899 2 года назад

@The Insufferable Tool habahhaha 🤣😳

@faurovidiu 2 года назад

Really nice to see Thomas deLauer evolving as a human being and being more balanced in thought

@ivanorozco4274 2 года назад

I had to watch this in three portions (sort of like a very large meal for the brain lol) and it was such a pleasant sur´prise to find Thomas be such a humble and agreeable guy. Great vid all around

@Akihito007 2 года назад

Yea because the SAD diet and carb pushers who continually attack red meat and saturated fat have been "balanced" the entire time. Mhm.

@nexxogen Год назад

@@Akihito007 Who cares about them? They are as irrelevant as the LCHF pushers. Luckily, we have scientific studies to turn to.

@Macgee826 3 месяца назад

@ivanorozco4274 one of these days layne might be humble and agreeable ........not!

@TeamYouphoric 2 года назад

It's always nice when people with differing opinions can have a civil discussion.

@jamie5mauser 2 года назад

yep. only because Thomas has changed his views. No more videos from Deliar "new study shows keto is better" linking a study with no control group...

@TeamYouphoric 2 года назад

@@jamie5mauser that kind of contradicts the point I was making of people with differing opinions being able to have a civil discussion if you're only capable of having a civil discussion once the person has changed their views to match yours.

@undeniablereality9904 2 года назад

@@TeamYouphoric The problem is that you're irresponsibly talking about these two views as if they're equally valid opinions. One is based on facts and science, and the other isn't.

@TeamYouphoric 2 года назад

@@undeniablereality9904 irrelevant. If someone tells me they believe the earth is flat, I can still have a civil discussion with them without personally attacking them.

@undeniablereality9904 2 года назад

@@TeamYouphoric Ah, I see your point then. Yes, I do agree. I still think your framing was a bit irresponsible/incorrect, but that is not the point you were trying to make. Cheers.

@jasons9087 2 года назад

honestly...The world can learn a lot from how these two handle themselves! Great work to both guys!

@rayyagloski2 2 года назад

Wow. This is what 2021 needs! I never comment on RU-vid but this is an inspirational move by both of you. I took a lot away from the discussion. Thank you both for coming together, "reaching across the aisle" as Layne says, and seeking out truth in nutrition (a vast, confusing, and challenging science).

@michellelee6306 2 года назад

This is one of the reasons that I love Thomas DeLauer! This is not the first or only video of Thomas having an educated and polite discussion with another person who has different views about nutrition. It's so nice to see adults having a well informed conversation and not attacking each other. Sadly, these videos are hard to find nowadays. Good work guys!

@ericgonser1544 2 года назад

@Thomas DeLauer I'm really proud of you man. Seriously, I started my fitness journey with you and have drifted away but this interview definitely changed my mind. I will start watching all your new stuff and give you a chance. You have helped a lot of people and with this new more open approach you will probably lose some of the extreme followers you had but in the long run I think it will work out for the better. Great interview and one thing I will say is you do come across as a genuinely nice guy and very courageous. You weren't really attacked here but I was impressed you had the video woth Derek from MPMD and have seem you comment on videos of people that don't necessarily agree with you and I have a lot of respect for you Thomas and how you handle yourself

@RMILLSMMA 2 года назад

Same here. 👍🏻

@danielsc9102 Год назад

Real genuine, humble, wise bloke.

@SusanAllen-sn3mx 7 месяцев назад

Great discussion and please have again

@stevenwright9859 4 месяца назад

Exactly my sentiments. I had moved aways from DeLauer when he was drifting into mixed messaging, bringing extreme positions from guests for throw out terms to scare people. I will return to his channel to see what he has now

@bndtx3 2 года назад

I been searching high and low and have so much info from not only my drs, books, internet and RU-vid and I take everything in mind. Ever since I got sick and my life turned upside down everything counts for me so I can’t hate on this because I use almost every resource I have to better not only myself but the others around me and that’s what you guys are here for and I appreciate you guys 👍

@contestjustice2012 2 года назад

Great to see how much this channel has evolved, great move and love the long form discussions.

@MicheleSollazzo Год назад

It's fun to see social media influencers finally lose their freaking self-confidence, shut up and nod at what a real scientist says. Thanks Layne!

@therebeccaspears7731 Год назад

I agree, it’s mind boggling how much misinformation is out there because of people like Thomas. Especially with him being in gear.

@matthewryan5807 2 года назад

Hello, I started my online fitness journey with Thomases channel and was genuinely entertained by his content.Then I found ,Norton, Nippard, Doucette and a few more where they seem to focus on the core 90% of fat loss/ nutrition while Thomas and other niche influencers seemed to focus on the last 10%(specific diets and exercises). I’m so happy he’s changing his viewpoints, and wanting what best for his viewers

@marsh8417 2 года назад

Was really pleased to see this. I had been trying fasting to drop a few pounds because I didn’t understand CICO, which led me to Thomas’s channel initially and I really enjoyed his very slick very professional content, plus he comes across as a really nice bloke. Wanting to fact check a few of his videos led me in turn to you Layne and here I am a year later using carbon and smashing it out in the gym! Thanks to both of you.

@xpaperxcutx4588 2 года назад

Love this. I also have carbon too but I don’t use the coach function, I just love the tracking compared to MFP. Keep up the great work and much success!

@sandeshjadhav8804 2 года назад

Laughed for about 10 minutes before clicking then again laughed for 10 more minutes, didn't think this would happen in a million years, kudos to Thomas for doing this, and Layne as always never backs down a good debate/discussion.

@juanguzman1563 Год назад

This is what I needed to hear. I’m big into keto and carnivore but I’m so afraid of eating ANY types of carbs. I try to by default in food get about 5-10 grams a day. But hearing this conversation from two people on totally different sides really helped and opened my eyes to see IMOO you can eat foods regardless if it’s processed or unprocessed. It’s all about MODERATION AND within your calorie intake. Gentlemen I thank you both.

@adrienner5909 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this interview. Thanks for doing this.

@user-mi4kq5yn5o 2 года назад

It’s purely joy to see ppl not hesitating to change over time as we learn and give more positive attitude to benefit on both side. Thank you to both of you!

@rgcamsf Год назад

Tom had to attain some humility in able to be open to learning. In this great discussion, I was impressed by Layne's willingness to educate in a way that is generous and friendly rather than pompous

@ronwright1530 2 года назад

Love seeing this type of collaboration. I used keto and exercise for almost 2 years to help me lose weight as a type 2 diabetic. I switched to flexible dieting the more I lifted weights and tried to build muscle. I find eating for you current goal works the best.

@MrBiggharv 2 года назад

Respect to you both. Thanks for the collaboration 💯

@jonbog6479 Год назад

I learned so much from this amazing conversation. Much love to you guys, keep putting out amazing content

@mattshelfreliance 2 года назад

So grateful for this👏 Thank you gentlemen 😌👍 I sub to you both! Both of you have helped point me in so many directions that have been meaningful. In a world where it feels like EVERYBODY wants to be in some tribe/gang, be it- politics, to nutrition, for a lone wolf like me.. this is pure objective nuanced gold 🏆💪👏 Bravo Layne and Thomas. More ideas and talk.. not less🔥😌👍✌️

@mohd12453 2 года назад

It is great to have discussion when people have different opinions. Both of you have the same goal of educating people and help them to adapt healthier lifestyles.

@lisafaser6031 2 года назад

That was awesome. I’m a fan of both of you guys. It was really cool and enlightening to listen to your respectful conversation. I really hope you do a round two…

@thejoehunt1958 2 года назад

Round 2 definitely please! Such a good conversation!

@slickspike126 2 года назад

Thank you for doing this. I have a lot of respect for both of you and this was super informative! Really appreciate this Layne!

@glaciermax24 2 года назад

Thank you @thomasDeLauer for taking time to talk to him . This is the type of discourse that needs to take place in the Wild West of fitness and nutrition

@TheScyy 2 года назад

Awesome interview. Thomas DeLauer is one of the first people I found when I started trying to lose weight and was doing intermittent fasting(which totally worked for me at the time FYI) I did move away from his content as I started following people like layne and really got into the science of things. Glad to see he's adjusted some of his views.

@ryannachtrab 2 года назад

Saaaaaaaame

@longdrums 2 года назад

Same. Fasting kept me lean but I came to realise all it was doing was creating a calorie restriction/deficit and was stalling my muscle building potential. I never did keto though, and never will. I still believe Thomas has been a shill of the fitness industry, cherry picking studies, impressing his audience with jargon and abusing steroids making it seem like his physique was achieved by all the nutritional methods he promotes, but I know better now.

@as2racing727 2 года назад

Ditto

@TheScyy 2 года назад

@@longdrums That is actually exactly why I stopped intermittent fasting myself. I lost pretty much all the fat I wanted with it but I definitely wasn't putting on as much muscle as I should have been with newbie gains considering the frequency I've been working out. Now two or three months since I've stopped fasting and just generally eating around maintenance I've noticed what I think to be a noticeable improvement in muscle gain. I will say for getting rid of fat fast it definitely worked for me, I lost about 75lbs over the course of about 8 months and now sitting around 145lbs at 5'9 and focusing on building more muscle.

@RolandoLopezNieto 2 года назад

Exactly what happened to me too.

@georgecagle3829 2 года назад

This was fantastic. Would love to see a round 2!

@marvilus 2 года назад

I'm actually happy you guys had this interview, its a re-brand for TDL's evolving approach, and shows how much of an impartial person you are.

@leonordemelo5713 2 года назад

Wow I really enjoyed this interview. Hope it will have a part 2. Thank you.

@4u2consider50 2 года назад

Would love a Round #2✨ Thank you for the wonderful interview🙂

@qT_p13 2 года назад

Glad to see Thomas adjusting his stance from (the maybe years) since I last listened to him. I was a firm believer in bcaas and other fitness garbage (thank God i got over that phase) so im more than willing to give him another go and check out his newer stuff moving forward. Very informative video and thanks for sharing.

@Menemey 2 года назад

This was a really fun watch, did not expect to watch the whole thing tbh, but I enjoyed it.

@emmafox2449 2 года назад

Great interview... I prefer Thomas' approach as it focuses less on calories (long history ED brain) but do realise a lot of his content doesn't involve cross checked evidence. Really great to see a balanced discussion

@mcstallion9640 2 года назад

Thats great that you guys did this. I have always thought Thomas was a great guy and was never trying to do anything malicious and mislead people. I'm glad he's coming around.

@harku123 2 года назад

Still disagree with DeLauer on many topics but it's nice to see a productive discussion and it certainly took me by surprise. Would love to see more

@RogueCylon Год назад

The challenge with Thomas is that these days he’s much more tied into sponsorships and promotions of products. Makes his advice a whole lot more difficult to stomach. But he does have a lot of good information, and a positive approach to health.

@flaviodasilva2022 2 года назад

Simply awesome interview. Thanks both.👍

@przemysawj6499 2 года назад

Man, I known I will get something good for Christmass this year, but this is so unexpected. Best gift ever. Thank you Layne ;)

@sonjacrowder7561 Год назад

Thank you, both for this discussion.

@billybadass7718 2 года назад

I started with Thomas and went from 330 to 208 using Keto and IF. I’ve since moved to more bodybuilding oriented channels and still am relatively low carb but I absolutely hate fasting now. I need my potatoes though!

@tawnipargman8237 2 года назад

I, too, jumped in to keto and IF with Thomas a few years ago. Got lean but then my sleep suffered and I lost my cycle..... So no more fasting, and I added back in carbs. Took a year to recover. Still wearing the same pants, too😊

@Behindthejab 2 года назад

Yeah allot of us bought his bs and helped make him RU-vid rich.

@adamwoodie4029 2 года назад

@@Behindthejab what is Thomas' bs?

@Behindthejab 2 года назад

@@adamwoodie4029 he admits to cherry picking studies and misrepresenting the data, to pushing an insulin leading to gain vs CICO as two examples. He now admits he was wrong If you want to see some of his crazy shit Layne featured him on a few What the Fitness videos

@adamwoodie4029 2 года назад

@@Behindthejab okay cool I'll check those out

@outremer84 2 года назад

Awesome. Appreciated both of you guys for a long time (for different reasons...)

@Tonytone2727 2 года назад

Appreciate this collab & Thomas’s willingness to learn & retract certain beliefs. One thing I noticed the most is you can easily tell who the real expert in this subject is. Layne can comfortably speak on any of these topics without hesitation or losing track of thought. Thomas, while smart & certainly knows a thing or two, didn’t come off as confident. Many times I found him sort of “tailing off” at the end of him making a point because he doesn’t have the education/experiences that allow for confident dialogue. Any way, great stuff Layne. We appreciate your service!

@mattbradshaw590 2 года назад

I thought this too

@jamie5mauser 2 года назад

Thomas is very good at word-association. he likes to use big words but he can't really fabricate a full educated sentence with them

@Tonytone2727 2 года назад

@@jamie5mauser right. He sounds great in his videos but not in one on one, unedited conversations like this.

@jamie5mauser 2 года назад

@@Tonytone2727 I can imagine him practicing his pronunciation 😝

@BodyworksPrime 2 года назад

I'd love to see a part 2. Really enjoyed this discussion.

@Joy80JJ 2 года назад

I saw this on Thomas utube channel. Enjoyed very much. Thomas is a humble man. Great conversation Layne.

@evagosselin4712 3 месяца назад

This video was exceptional, loved every second of it,it really explained so much,thankyou so very much! ❤😊

@MrMoys13 2 года назад

Gentlemen we are following you from very far away (Europe- Romania), this is one of the highlights of 2021!!

@jaergroth 2 года назад

This was a great conversation! Glad to be able to listen in.

@azulsimmons1040 2 года назад

This is a collaboration I did not expect at all.

@paulschneider8143 2 года назад

Thanks guys. I enjoyed the discussion. I'd be happy to see a round 2!

@johnnyoost1144 2 года назад

This was great. Thomas is always so humble. Stay classy boys.

@chasen5252 2 года назад

This was great. These are the important conversations. Thanks guys

@hapiwifeNmom9890 2 года назад

Thank you both for this great discussion 🤗🤗. Resubscribing to Thomas’s channel after watching this.

@rpqubed7903 2 года назад

This is outstanding thanks for being an example!

@yisell02 2 года назад

Wow 🤯🤯..lots of respect for both..love both of you..

@rogeliomendez9135 2 года назад

I did a keto style diet and lost weight. Doing a diet where I count calories and also lost weight. Gain weight when I get sloppy and eat everything.

@Magic_beans_ 2 года назад

Same here. I had a bunch of weight to lose and knew it would take a while, so I changed up my approach every so often to keep things fresh. Meal replacement shakes were fine, 40/30/30 was fine, low carb was fine, 5:2 was fine, it all works if you can be consistent with it for the weeks and months it takes to see results.

@timeban7761 2 года назад

No way... An Interview with Thomas???? Now imagine if he would do an interview with Dr. Berg now

@EmilEngholmSrensen 2 года назад

Please no, i dont like that chiropractor :-)

@timeban7761 2 года назад

@@EmilEngholmSrensen same and thats why I want one

@Jake-jv9ff 2 года назад

You guys set a great example doing this + it was a great conversation. Great stuff👍💪

@carindooley6933 2 года назад

I loved this discussion! I use to follow Thomas before and currently follow Layne and Holly. This was the collab that I didn’t know I needed in life lol Enjoyed the whole thing!

@KoalaMarch77 2 года назад

Holly who?

@carindooley6933 2 года назад

@@KoalaMarch77 Holly Baxter (Layne’s wife)

@bigiron04 2 года назад

Great content, hope to see your channel gain the growth it deserves.

@HealthywithAmy 2 года назад

Appreciate the growth and honesty😄🙏🏼💪🏼

@carolinajorge580 2 года назад

this proves both you guy's intelectual honesty. The world need more of that

@thorweise 2 года назад

Great stuff, @biolayne. I would really love to see a talk like this with Layne and Ted Naiman on the P:E Diet.

@Ryan-gv7gy 2 года назад

Thanks guys. The world could take a lesson from you two. 💪

@ShivdevSingh 2 года назад

this is an amazing collab. as someone who diverted away from Thomas to Layne this kind of clash of worlds.

@GuidetteExpert 2 года назад

OMG do these combos with Thomas more often please!

@tulile99 2 года назад

Man, I feel like crying 😭 of excitement!! Great!!

@TheJmtmom 2 года назад

I love everything about this. Mature and professional.

@delanaveirs3411 7 месяцев назад

I just subscribed to Thomas’ account. I think I had seen your videos in the past but I’m on a fat loss, recomp, fitness journey & have watched & subscribed to more accounts than ever before. But I thought I saw your name in Dr Layne’s feed & wanted to check. I’ve only followed Dr Layne a week or so as well. Your video on shopping on a budget is why I clicked subscribe.

@kimbreedavis Год назад

Great interview thanks

@DMRYeti 2 года назад

Applause for both of you for this interview. Great job Layne.

@nolaabifrida4866 2 года назад

Yes! Excited for this.

@nickmontanaro9638 2 года назад

This is one of my favorite fitness interviews. DeLauer get all the credit in the world for his recent pragmatism. Layne has one of the best fitness channels out there no question.

@youdontknowme.idontknowyou6904 2 года назад

I didn't see this coming! Can't wait to listen to it all

@evgenyzarov103 Год назад

ROUND 2 PLEASE! Thank you guys

@galatrax1181 2 года назад

Thomas is a stand up individual I don’t agree with him sometimes regarding low carb diet model but overall he is more than willing it seems to talk civilly with other channels and not hold any grudge or drama and no one can deny the guy is a hard worker he puts out content on a steady basis for years now and almost all of it is focused on trying to help others

@troynewell6536 2 года назад

Excellent video. Great to watch.

@bobwheeler8101 Месяц назад

I’m late to this party, but it was a helpful episode. Thanks to you both.

@skateata1 2 года назад

😲😲😲 whoa! Never expected you to have him on here. Haven't finished the video and I know it's gonna be good.

@MazalKriefBenamor 2 года назад

Great conversation I like you both very much I like the honesty thank you for all the information

@jasongarman 2 года назад

I have to say, I regained some respect for Thomas from this discussion. I watched some of his videos when I was first getting into weight loss and fitness, but was eventually pretty disillusioned by the fad-of-the-week focus of his videos, and some of the obviously nonsensical claims like “bananas are bad for you”. There is so much magical thinking in the keto and IF communities, and it’s good to see him moving past at least some of it.

@Akihito007 2 года назад

...Compared to the high carb, SAD diet pushers who falsely claimed for decades that saturated fat was evil and caused heart attacks on junks science. Bananas ALSO contain a LOT of sugar and the potassium in them isn't worth spiking your blood sugar and insulin for if you eat a lot every day. There are MUCH better sources of potassium than bananas.

@johnfinnerty2336 2 года назад

Thomas does seem like a super nice guy!

@richardstrickland 8 месяцев назад

Greatly appreciate this video. Been carnivore 6 months. Have lost 30 lbs, reversed my Type 2 diabetes. No longer on medications. Have done 16:8 IF. Due to lower spine issues, use low /moderate strength training with resistance bands and dumb bells. At the stage of wanting to gain muscle. Seems the only option for adding calories in a measurable format is to add carbs. Been on the fence, bit disillusioned with the the whole format. This video gave the intel I needed to go forward to add carbs in a regulated amounts, dial in amount for gains, energy, and benefits. Thank you so.much.

@isabelmendez2601 2 года назад

Anyone else watching because What the Fitness and his buddy Thomas look like two handsome studs?!? 😍😍💪😍💪😍💪

@milsdobaggins 2 года назад

Ohhhhhh I’m pumped to listen to this!

@CeliaCavalli 2 года назад

This actually makes me so happy to see.

@danieljamescoaching1822 Год назад

Great conversation thank you

@AlecTramblayCoaching 2 года назад

Definitely a new found respect for this guy

@justinmorieko221 2 года назад

Im stunned this collaboration happened

@Killdarian 2 года назад

Love this, thank you Norton very much....and Thomas :)

@theironforce3000 2 года назад

Unreal ...can't believe what I just watched. Never what I have thoughts both of you collabing and interviewing each other. Can you imagine the rest of the real world, with other real medical scientists/ virologists in this current climate, having a professional, honest and grounded conversation as this with today's hot topics?? I don't think that would happen in my lifetime.

2 года назад

Wow! Did not expect that for sure! But it turned out to be one of the best surprises! Very good decision, very good job!!!

@Zig_Was_Here Год назад

Do a part 2 please! Great discussion!

@rogergarcia5681 2 года назад

I’m just happy to see this collaboration. I’ve respected both for many years and was aware Dr Norton wasn’t too much of a fan on many topics.

@pcfreakx 2 года назад

I like both of these guys a lot and it's great to see them discuss the science. It doesn't matter that one has a PhD and one doesn't - both parties would admit there are tons of PhDs out there who are poorly researched on certain topics. Layne has a bombastic style that works for RU-vid so this is more of a clash of styles than substance.