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Thoracic outlet syndrome: A straight-forward diagnostic approach 

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In this video I share a straight forward approach to the diagnosis of thoracic outlet syndrome and discuss some of its attributes.
Thoracic outlet syndrome is often regarded as extremely rare, but this could not be further from the truth. It is very common. But, the extreme vascular cases are rare, and because these are the only ones that show up unequivocally on imaging tests, they are also the ones that tend to be caught in generalized clinical settings.
Neurogenic TOS usually manifests as non-specific but often excruciating pain in the neck, chest, shoulderblades, arms or hands during or after arm-loading. This can be carrying croceries, cleaning windows or ceilings, cooking, carrying backpacks, or in less dire circumstances, gym exercises such as bench pressing.
A normal cervical MRI and negative Spurling's test in the co-presence of diffuse- or non-specific neck, chest, shoulder, or brachialgia that worsens with arm-loading should put TOS as a primary tentative diagnosis on your list of differentials.
Unfortunately, electrodiagnostic and imaging studies tend to be normal in TOS, even in severe sufferers (Rousseff 2005), and especially sole neurogenic TOS. Thus, it is a diagnosis requiring clinical suspicion and knowledge about its manual clinical workup. Clinical confidence is also needed, as one would be stilling a relatively serious diagnosis without support from your colleagues in the neurophysiology or radiological departments. I forgot to mention this in the video, but MRI of the brachial plexus is also useless in the identification of TOS. It can, however, be useful in the exclusion of schwannomas, root avsulsions, and similar.

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@adamheath9065
@adamheath9065 3 года назад
Glad you’re back kjetl. You are the best neurologist I have found on RU-vid and just want to help you for all you’ve provided me with.
@danlauramillward2019
@danlauramillward2019 Год назад
Thank you for this. Not often is the shoulder blade pain mentioned, yet it is my worst and most constant symptom
@jaymel740
@jaymel740 3 года назад
Hey DR.Happy to see you're back in action.Your videos been helping me alot on learning about my conditions.From New York City
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Happy to hear that bud
@martinhagstrom6707
@martinhagstrom6707 3 года назад
Imponerad av dina kunskaper om TOS Kjetil. Har sett dina tidigare videos om TOS samt läst en längre artikel som du skrivit. De är de bästa källorna om TOS som finns på nätet, all amerikansk litteratur inberäknad.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Takk, Martin!
@teresalewin36
@teresalewin36 3 года назад
fabulous work, I have seen all your videos, please upload more exercises for the pterygoids if there are great asymmetry of the atm and facial.Greetings from Argentina
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Not necessary, just do the lateral pterygoid.
@drmohammadabdurrahim5276
@drmohammadabdurrahim5276 2 года назад
Nice and informative
@bernardoreyes4770
@bernardoreyes4770 3 года назад
Thanks for everything man! need to call you soon
@theMDMentor
@theMDMentor Год назад
Excellent video. So true about underdiagnosis due to inadequate testing, especially by those who are not knowledgeable about the pathophysiology. In Canada the radiologists change orders, and do what they feel like doing, ignoring presumptive diagnoses. Two questions. 1) is Nordic walking likely to aggravate TOS? I tried switching to this because doing upper arm exercises with weights while walking definitely made pain worse. 2) Understand and agree about military posture being a bad idea. But would elevating the affected arm (on pillow or armrest) also be likely to aggravate because of scapular position? Would lying flat on the back all night tend to put you in something of a military position and be likely to aggravate on that basis? Thanks for your thoughts and clear explanations.
@domhillspt7986
@domhillspt7986 2 года назад
In terms of adding in the shrugging and scalene work you've mentioned before are there any muscles you recommend need to be backed off on in terms of workouts, like the chest muscles for example?
@cintao5656
@cintao5656 3 года назад
Hey, glad to see you back making videos. This is completely off topic but do you think hip dips are reversible with correct posture? Thank you :)
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Hip dips?
@MsBoontjie
@MsBoontjie 3 года назад
Thanks for the video Kjetil! Would the Roos test be positive for ulnar nerve (cyclists) palsy as well?
@marcinniemczyk1380
@marcinniemczyk1380 3 года назад
what if shrugging with 30 degree abduction make scapula cracking? does it mean serratus anterior is too weak?
@Cody27
@Cody27 3 года назад
Amazing work. I think a video on numbness would be very beneficial. From my own experience, numbness was a totally hidden struggle. When I had enough trial & error behind me that I was on the recovery path I was AMAZED at how prevalent numbness was and how pain was getting over focused.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Doubt you're talking about what I am talking about.
@AngieMUC
@AngieMUC 2 года назад
Did you totally recover without surgery?
@dominichills
@dominichills 2 года назад
Hey Doc, are there any exercises to avoid like chest, lat pulldowns or others when you have TOS? Thanks.
@davidcayjohnston4165
@davidcayjohnston4165 2 года назад
Is strenghtening recommended aswell when the pectoralis minor is involved?
@caitlinsutton3022
@caitlinsutton3022 Год назад
Thank you so much for your video! Just wondering can tos also cause right sided facial/scalp numbness? I have this aswell as right sided arm/scapula/chest numbness/ and pain is also only between shoulder blades nowhere else.. and additionally with the selmonsky sign how long should you hold your hands up? Could you get a false positive if you hold your hands up too long? As mine is positive if I hold for 20 seconds however worse on my unaffected left side.. I’m so confused I’m in Australia and having such a hard time figuring out what this is! It’s driving me crazy! Thanks so much for this video ❤❤
@LiMitZplus
@LiMitZplus 2 года назад
Have you done a video on what happens to the lower body in scapular dyskinesia and tos? Ipsilateral Lat tightness ql pain, hip flexor tightness and glute med inhibition
@ozzy3ml
@ozzy3ml 22 дня назад
You are describing my symptoms here. If you have any good resources on the topic I would really appreciate it! Hopefully Kjetil also has something about it, I only recently discovered this great channel.
@69meplease100
@69meplease100 2 года назад
Damn dude, good bulk
@venik88
@venik88 2 года назад
What’s the point of knowing if you have TOS if there’s no good therapy for it?
@Marco-pf3te
@Marco-pf3te 3 года назад
Any advice on dorsal scapular nerve entrapment would be greatly appreciated
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Either C4-5 or C5-6 root irritation, or TOS
@jackprot351
@jackprot351 3 года назад
Great video. Great title, too. You should get much more clicks on this one. I think generally your videos don’t get as many views because the terminology you use might intimidate the laymen.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
I took your advice to heart, thanks
@annap1191
@annap1191 Год назад
Thanks for the video. I suspect I have the venous type. I have swelling in the peck minor and upper traps and my scalenes are so puffed and now I have pressure on the side of my inner throat its uncomfortable to eat. I have an appointment to see a specialist in 30 days. Are there any major warning signs i need to keep in mind? Will muscle relaxants like Norflex help a little bit?
@ArisEmriis
@ArisEmriis Год назад
Thanks for posting about your symptoms. I have the same things going on that developed during my first year in recovery, I think from bad posture and hunching while smoking a lot of cigarettes. (I've recently quit smoking) I was starting to get really worried and scared that it was something life threatening but research is showing me that this TOS is the likely culprit. I haven't seen a doctor because I don't have a working vehicle right now. But I'm going to get as educated as possible before I ever see one so I don't end up with the wrong diagnosis and help. Thanks again and I hope your situation is improving.
@debbiehanus5455
@debbiehanus5455 3 года назад
Great videos and articles, I had TOS surgery done a year ago that resolved my anterior neck pain. I work in the physical therapy field and did my own rehab after to gain my full arm strength and ROM back. Recently I started therapy due to symptoms like suprascapular nerve entrapment that the surgery did not address. I was a dancer for many years and have a good posture and very much agree with what you say but the PT kept blaming my posture emphasizing pinching the shoulder blades back and down while giving me neck bend/rot exercise in all directions with a red TeraBand. This cause thumb/index finger numbness/tingling and anterior neck pain I did not experience for a long time, I am considering not going back there
@alecmcdonald716
@alecmcdonald716 2 года назад
has the numbess and tingling in the thumb and index gotten better... mine did the same with the shoulders back and down yesterday
@Eddie42707
@Eddie42707 3 года назад
I have this issue after years of lifting now I can't bench press because I lost strength and power on my left side. I have to get surgery.
@Chieftainteroix
@Chieftainteroix 3 года назад
If I have tight, short pec minor causing TOS type symptoms should I do pec flys to strengthen, avoid bench press to stengthen at end range?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Neither. Read my tos article or book a session
@megancasper3525
@megancasper3525 3 года назад
Thank you for the information. I have commented before on website but know it’s hard for you to respond to all. I had an emg done and had nerve issue above elbow they said it wasn’t tos, but I feel like I have it because of symptoms you describe. Not sure where to go from here
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Book a session.
@megancasper3525
@megancasper3525 3 года назад
You take patients from Us? You take insurance?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
@@megancasper3525 Skype session. No insurance.
@megancasper3525
@megancasper3525 3 года назад
Ok I’ll look on website thanks
@adityachavan9025
@adityachavan9025 6 месяцев назад
Are symptoms progressive? Also mild vtos ans atos can be treated with muscle strengthening and posture improvement?
@Ericortega.01
@Ericortega.01 3 года назад
Hi Dr! When descending my left arm I can feel a "click" with an electric sensation. It's usually just before 90º of shoulder flexion. Do you know what might it be? Thank you! Good job sir
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Most likely a combination of glenohumeral dysfunction, and your collar bone lying too low (ie. on the plexus)
@Ericortega.01
@Ericortega.01 3 года назад
@@MSKNeurology Thanks sir!
@playermartin286
@playermartin286 2 года назад
According to Dr evan osar TOS is treated through proper rib cage positioning and optimizing your breathing mechanics. What’s your opinion of that?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
It's not that simple
@sarramackenzie-pilot4416
@sarramackenzie-pilot4416 2 года назад
I have bilateral cervical ribs, left is complete full bone and right is partial. Found after a car accident when I lost feeling in my left arm and pins and needles into the right arm. It has taken a year to get to talk to a surgeon who is even willing to consider TOS. I would have thought the presence of bilateral c7 ribs and an rtc multiple impact injury would have been reason enough to listen to the possibility of TOS. What would you recommend to suggest to the surgical team test wise? I am hopeful the extra bones will be removed, because if my only power is growing unnecessary bones that have the potential to cause impingement, then I am really not that interested in being one of the X men. These mutant bones need shifting.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
In other words, those cervical ribs were causing no problem prior to accident. Ie., you have whiplash. Tos due to neck whipping.
@sarramackenzie-pilot4416
@sarramackenzie-pilot4416 2 года назад
@@MSKNeurology I also managed a torn rotator cuff and 3 bulging discs in my neck too, it was a spectacular crash. Side on impact, he then pushed my car into oncoming traffic for a head on collision, and sped off. 🤣🤣
@tank7162
@tank7162 2 года назад
Something happened to your TOS article, it now redirects elsewhere. I believe the key points were better neck and shoulder aligment habits and overall postural awareness, scalene strengthening and elevating the clavicle?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
Some asshole hacked my page. it should be fine now. Thanks for notifying
@naimismail7768
@naimismail7768 2 года назад
Ok I am now 100% sure I have TOS- How do I fix it?
@troppur7355
@troppur7355 3 года назад
My hand pain is ulnar sided. Could it still be TOS?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Ulnar pain is the most common early symptom of TOS
@moefapie
@moefapie 3 года назад
Watched a lot of your videos and read you post on the scapula, but one thing that is still a bit unclear, how do you set the scapula in height, angle and against the ribcage before performing any excersize?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Book a session
@moefapie
@moefapie 3 года назад
@@MSKNeurology didn't know I could do that
@GigaChad-em9qw
@GigaChad-em9qw Год назад
@@moefapie did you ever find out
@moefapie
@moefapie Год назад
@@GigaChad-em9qw yes, he has an updated video where he explains in greater detail.
@GigaChad-em9qw
@GigaChad-em9qw Год назад
@@moefapie can you link please?
@georginafatharly
@georginafatharly Год назад
Have you ever seen stretched nerves rather than compressed?
@ZombieTube4u
@ZombieTube4u 3 года назад
What’s your opinion on strengthening the upper traps to help with compression of the upper plexus from TOS?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Read my TOS article
@ZombieTube4u
@ZombieTube4u 3 года назад
@@MSKNeurology don’t tell me what to do
@theMDMentor
@theMDMentor Год назад
@@ZombieTube4u Seriously? You ask for free advice and don't like the answer, so you respond rudely. The name suits.
@danielreznicek7267
@danielreznicek7267 3 месяца назад
Hi Kjetil, excellent stuff. My question is how do you differentiate whether your problem is caused in the clavicular/pec minor area or down the line, in the elbow area? I have symptoms such as tightness in the armpit, numbness in the last the fingers (ulnar nerve?). How should I approach self-help rehabilitation? Focus on the shoulder area or on triceps work? Thanks!
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 месяца назад
Experience and appropriate clinical workup. Do you expect me to write it all up in a comment? As a guideline you can expect 80+% of the issue to be situated at the costoclavicular and interscalene segments
@danielreznicek7267
@danielreznicek7267 3 месяца назад
@@MSKNeurology Of course I do not expect that. I already went to a psysical therapy, where they just massaged my scalenes, and also visited a neurologist, who merely stung my fingers with a needle and said my nerves were working, bye bye. No real help from either of them. So thank you for pointing me in a certain direction with those percentages. Appreciated.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 месяца назад
They can't help you. read my TOS article and see my videos. I can't and won't do 1 on 1 via comments, consider booking a session@@danielreznicek7267
@richardmurphy6244
@richardmurphy6244 Год назад
On a different note…do you have any experience treating patients with neck issues cause Tinnitus?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology Год назад
Yes, read on my website
@zetsu454
@zetsu454 3 года назад
I have this issue where the muscles of the right half of my body are generally weaker than my left and when I am at the gym, I don’t feel the muscle while working out in comparison to the the healthy other side. Also got that thing with right shoulder where it is more rounded and popping forward + when I do rows it pops when elbows are just about going behind body feels like something is pulling it down towards chest + get numbness through while arm through the first 3 fingers of my hand when raising arm with more than 45 degrees away from body and during push up plus .I think it is my pec minor + serratus anterior. What do you think great doctor?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Book a session
@jl12017
@jl12017 2 года назад
Thank you. Invaluable video
@rajivriccardo
@rajivriccardo 3 года назад
Is strengthening the serratus anterior also helpful for improvement of tos symptoms?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
It is not that simple
@rubsydos
@rubsydos 3 года назад
i wish u were here in hk..which doctor checks these??
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Good ones
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