Besides the inclusion of historical maps and photos, stunning array of audio and video footage, excellent writing, editing, and voice recording, there is also the generally positive and wholesome community in the comments. Hurrah for Jago and their Hazzards!
My wife and I married in 1971. She worked in the Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), and part of her job involved running the annual recruitment drive for newly qualified teachers to work in London schools. In those days these were largely young aspiring middle class gels who dreamt of living in the fashionable parts of west and south west london. Of course the vacancies were often in the less desirable parts of north and east London; hipsters etc. were at that time not even twinkles in their fathers’ eyes. She became expert in explaining how the North London and other lines running into Broad Street allowed commutes between Kew and similar to the grim redoubts in which the vacancies for teachers needed filling.
It says something about the 83 stock that it never even made it to the IOW. The OAP retirement home for old tube stock, if it's reliable. Narrow doors are a bonus for open air operation, one gets less of a blast of icy air everytime they open in winter.
At the time the 83 Stock were withdrawn, the 1938 stock (BR Class 483) had only been on the Island for 10 years, and were only 60 years old at that point. Plenty of life left :)
They used to cut up defunct London tube trains in the scrapyards that surrounded Rotherham United's old Millmoor ground,bringing an influx of trainspotters to go with the football crowds. There could have been some 1983s that met their final demise there.
@@kruador Ironic that the 1938 stock have now finally been replaced by ... the Vivarail rebuilds of the 1978 D stock, with single leaf doors, the subsurface equivalent of the 1983 stock. Still only 44 years old, spring chickens by IOW standards.
As a young trainee architect with the Historic Buildings Division of the GLC, I was sent to spend weeks surveying and drawing up Broad Street Station for their records. The joy of the Station was its unique (for this country) Beaux Art style. It was a great shame when it was replaced by the Broadgate development, which in turn has been redeveloped. By coincidence I was working for TfL as an architect and was involved in protecting the bus station on the same site during the redevelopment.
As a regular commuter on the Jubilee line I love the sound the motors make, I just wish the tunnels weren't filled with wailing hell hounds that break my ears
@@JP_TaVeryMuch The technology does exist to counter this: People in Munich objected to the trams screeching around the curves and now they don't, so where there's a will there's a way. Probably the DfT thinks it's too dear.
apropos of nothing, I recorded our local DLR (no not that kind) the LRT (Light Rail Transport). the train wheel shriek was bad, it was combined with a sort of lurching motion. The following day, coincidentally, wheels on some of the carriages were examined and found to be cracked. Yes, this is the middle of a sad and sorry tale, which has not reached its conclusion. food for thought
Interestingly, when Broad Street was finally shut in June 1986, the Graham Curve from the North London line (about a kilometre east of Dalston) was rebuilt to the West Anglia Main Line allowing a few peak train services from Watford access to Liverpool Street instead of Broad Street, but journey time was a bit longer. That service ended in September 1992, with Primrose Hill station on the Watford route closing as well. The Graham Curve still exists, being used occasionally for stock movements, weedkilling trains and diversions.
I recall the early days with Jago, the beer and model railways, and am really pleased with how well the channel has done. I agree with another comment here that the channel always produces excellent videos and the people making the comments are supportive and courteous. Definitely one of the very best RU-vid channels and long may it remain so.
You meet the nicest people on rail....although my repatriated daughter formerly and briefly in SE25 might vehemently disagree..: "This isnt NZ....you Don't Talk to people."....
I’m a big fan of the ‘72s. They have a nostalgic charm the other deep-level stock doesn’t. And of course there’s nothing to be nostalgic about with the subsurface S Stock; they’re modern and excellent, mind.
The 72 stock looks like there was thought given to styling. The 83 stock looks utilitarian in comparison, and the interior design matched the D78 stock, which was a 1970s fashion victim in my opinion...
I've often wondered how and why those carriages ended up up there. I assumed it wasn't that they took a wrong turn, crashed in an Italian Job style and were just left there forever. haha
@@charmedx3219 I miss read that as a Vimto video, thinking how did that get in there. I worked around Curtain Road (site apparently of the Curtain Theatre which I did not know), saw them sort of appear in the area (I tended to walk down Old Street so missed any specific arrival), and thought , oh, yeah, interesting but so what. For some reason , maybe its living in London , that most things leave me seriously unimpressed - except when I went to France and found the bridge at Rouen and the valleys in Normandy were just a bit bigger than what I was used to even in Wales or the 3rd Dartford Crossing.
"Are we sure about this stock?" "Well its a bit up in the air at the moment" While at Uni (in Colchester) and waiting for a train out of Liverpool street, I took the opportunity to have a look round Broad Street station. I wish I had had a camera at the time. It was clear the station was being run down and it seemed only two platforms were in use. (late 70s). It was pretty depressing. Clearly British Rail didnt have the money to do it up and in the 60s & 70s the 'knock it down and start again' brigade of developers were in the ascendancy. (Euston!) Fortunately for St Pancras and Liverpool street, the reuse and recycle philosophy had taken over but I was sad to see Broad street go.
I’m from another European country and a few months ago, I had a 10 day trip to London to see some of the - to me - random and obscure stuff I’ve enjoyed you covering on this channel over the past year. Well were I surprised to stumble upon this spot!! Somehow my aimless RU-vid research had not warned me of the Village Underground (but I almost knew the name of the Kingsland viaduct, go figure…). I went to a club night there later in the week and holy moly some talent playing there, right up my alley! Anyway, just oversharing a bit - Thank you Jago!!
Hi Jago / Tom, thanks for another great train video. In Melbourne (Aus) we have 3 x Hitachi trains on top of a pub. It’s a burger restaurant. It’s called Easey’s.
The Village Underground website has some excellent photos of the journey from track to rooftop of those trains. Also one of the residents of the trains is "University of the Underground" who disappointingly do not offer any academic courses in the tube. In fact having looked at their website for a while I'm still not sure what they do, other than it's all very arty.
Again you have taken the obscure and made it thoroughly interesting. It is a pity that the station was demolished. New York City lost its beautiful Pennsylvania Station years ago. The outcry was huge, and ultimately saved and restored Grand Central Terminal.
Yes, Broad St station was unpopular at the end. Even the Paul McCartney film "Give my Regards to Broad Street", part shot there, flopped and seems to have disappeared completely nowadays. I quite liked it when doing some lunchtime walks (often to pubs) when working at Aldgate and took some photos of its run-down state including the doors to the lifts that hadn't operated for years.
Excellent video, I have heard and wondered about these old tube trains, I think I’ll pay a visit, and get some shots of them, thanks for posting. Your channel is fantastic, so varied, and constantly high quality. I think you mentioned some time back, about Chalk Farm Station, and it being on an album cover (Madness Absolutely), I’m sure there are some others vaguely rail/tube related, be fantastic if you did a video on these. Keep up the wonderful work Jago 😊🤍
I knew the guy who did this. It was at the start of my career and he offered me and my friend mates rates for 2 desk spaces (he was going to turn them into offices. We declined as it looked like it would be sweltering in there in summer. He threw a good party though in the building below.. I did some 3d animation to advertise the trains. I think, I can't actually remember exactly what I did for him. Nice guy but out there. He had his fingers in a lot of pies.
I do adore your films and commentary and always have a little frisson of excitement to try and second guess your tribute to your patrion supporters sat the end and to date I have never got it right! You are the tease to my anticipation.
The 1983 TS Trains were one of my all-time favourite Underground trains, I liked them even more when their bodies were still aluminium coloured, this was later changed to white through a natural process over time. A unusual aspect of the 1983 TS trains is that when travelling through tunnels and if the glazed ventilators of the emergency exit doors were lowered, one often got a whiff of what smelled like smoked barbecued and chargrilled meat, perhaps rodents being cooked on the electrified track as the trains went over them.
I have two 'online comfort zones' that I use almost on a daily basis; long cab rides on Swiss trains (...for really chilling-out) and Jago Hazzard; whose informative, witty and humble style of reportage is akin to a well loved TV program of old... Dad's Army? For instance... Always a pleasure to watch and for someone born in Wimbledon, used the tubes often when growing-up until the age of 13 when the family upsticks and reclocated to the Preseli Hills of Dyfed in Wales; where a considerable amount of old railbed exploratory missions were undertaken by myself until I joined the RN at natal +16.5... Where I then used the tubes between 1975-81 when crossing 'Smoke' on various drafts, or excursions. The Tube system of London is an incredible, but mostly convoluted, piece-meal, hotpotch of a transit system. With quite remarkable history and its own - almost socilistiks - uniformity and dependability. Instantly recognisable over any other kind of MTS. It is about the only thing I could honestly say I feel proud of, as a Homecounties born, Englishman... Well... Maybe the great liners... And the once proud and ubiquitous national railway network.... And of course - '...Those So Few.'
You know something? I was raised very close to the old Shoreditch station, just the other side of Bethnal Green Road, and it was a source of frustration that it only opened in the rush hours. Still, it was a short walk from home to both Brick Lane Beigel Bakes. I tell you something... in my youth the area was not fashionable at all. It wasn't exactly grim, it was just very working class and OK. I've not been "home" for some time now, so I haven't seen these trains, can you tell me which street you can view them from? And... can you still see the quote from the late Bob Crow among the rooftops, from the westbound bus stop in Bethnal Green Road near Brick Lane? It read: "If we all spit together we'll drown the bastards".
That reminds me - a few years ago I was at Abbey Dore in Herefordshire. Across the valley a couple of underground cars/carriages could clearly be seen on the hillside. I learned that this was a SAS training area. The woods had been an armament depot with a network of railway lines.
Another very interesting video, thank you for uploading. The icing on the cake was at 6:25 where you pronounce, and use, 'beloved' correctly: An increasingly rare occurrence on You Tube.
@@Aengus42 I can think of too, depends if you put an accent on the E, often poetically used for additional rhyming opportunities. Unless you are past buying bread from the bakeries in Brick Lane then its Be Loaved. ( I suppose Brummies have a 4th way too )
Where the Broadstreet line used to seperate from the currently operating Dalston Junction line, creating a triangle, there's a garden there called The Curve Garden, named after the track that used to curve through it.
I seem to recall that they were actually used as studio space, but apparently they got extremely cold in winter. Ngl would love to have one for a workshop.
I visited them in the summer some years back and they were very hot inside. I was offered a desk actually but instantly realised how tiny and impractical it would have been so turned it down. Still was pretty fun sitting in the drivers seat with a view looking out into space with no rails in front of me.
Great stuff, Mr H, with oodles of interesting facts. Well done, and thanks. PS: I understand that there's a vacancy for a Prime Minister. I think you'd be ideal. It's the 'oodles of interesting facts' that clinches it. Anyone else going to support this spiffing wheeze? Simon T
I loved the 83 Stock trains. They might have been unreliable, but they were (in my opinion) one of the best looking tube trains to ever run on the LU. Also they were way more comfortable than the 96 Stock trains to me. I'm glad those trains are now kind of a secret tourist attraction, but obviously i would have loved to see them in operation to this day. Why didn't they just put them on the W&C? On a line like that single doors wouldn't have been so much of a problem.
Just seeing this viaduct makes me sad, because Broad Street was treated very badly by British Rail. Actually the ticket office of Broad Street was kept as a restaurant inside the Broadgate Center, but with plans to rebuild, it may be or have already been and gone. Until the Elizabeth Line was built, Broad Street was another way to get to Liverpool Street, from North West London. Looking at a Google Street view of Watford Junction recently, I noticed that the track bed and platform, that was used by Bakerloo line trains, until 1979, had simply been abandoned, perhaps the gap should have been filled in, as there were no tracks there, not unlike what was done to the Croxley Green platform at Watford High Street, so I suppose at least the viaduct had an afterlife.
I love the melodious 1996 stock. Anything with GTO thyristors really. If you're open to mainline stock, class 323 is quite pleasant. And the class 365 happy train.
If you are fast there is the reservoir opposite Angel Station, and maybe the Canal Museum near Kings Cross (depends where you start from and are staying)
Great video Jago. You do love that distinctive D-Stock noise, don't you? So do I! 👏🏾 I too wish the Broad Street railway station had not been demolished. I never got the chance to travel to/from it.
4:33 The closest thing in reality I'm aware of to this tongue-in-cheek design are some of Boston's 01800 Series Red Line cars. Called "Big Reds", these cars had no seats when first delivered and were used mostly during rush hour. Nowadays they have some seats but are mostly standing room only
Interesting; I wasn't aware of cars with no seats at all, though it makes sense. The nearest I'd seen before were pictures of cars for transporting workers within mines. They had no sides (or roof) and seats which faced out from the center.
Couple of comments, if my geography is right the new 'Lantern' entrance to the Elizabeth Line at Liv St is practically in front of the old Broad St station location and I'm sure I read somewhere that someone was converting some of those old carriages into housing units.
So so sad. Broad St Station, the Bishopsgate Goods Yard and the original Shoreditch station. A crying shame. I was born in London Hospital and bred in Bethnal Green. I shan't be returning anytime soon. Except for maybe a beigal or two. Then run for the hills.
Wondered how I managed to miss those when I lived in the area many years ago until you mentioned that they were sold after 1998 when I had left London the year before! Thanks for the vid - very interesting! I do remember using those train carriages on the tube when I was young
Abandoned Rails: a question of scope for your excellent channel. I'm currently working in Florida and very struck by the almost abandonment of their railroads. Henry Flagler opened the entire state thru railroads, all the way to Key West. The world awaits your excellent historical narratives. Try Deland Station for authenticity.
For the longest time I had no idea how those single-leaf doors worked, so I thank your O4 the explanation. It's strange that the D78 stock retained those doors even during conversion to Class 230 or Class 484 units.
The Broad Street station building may have been saved if it closed a few years later. A lot of historic buildings were listed in the late 80's after it was demolished.
In Melbourne there are some suburban train carriages deposited on top of a building and they are used as a cafe. They are located in an area with such a controversial name that many people are offended by the mention of it, so I'll just say they are in the suburb between Abbotsford and Fitzroy.
I get so sad seeing all the graffiti everywhere. We have the same issue in Australia. How people think its OK to deface surfaces and objects that don't belong to them is beyond me. Whatever caused such a lack of respect for other peoples property
@@xr6lad "Look at me, I can do a multi-colour signature-thing everywhere to validate myself! An', an', an' if I'm caught it's art innit? Yeah!" Sad, really. Really sad.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch Yeah, it's the taggers who pi$$ me off. Like I say, "multi-coloured signature thingy". 90% of the time they're not even tagging places which are inaccessible, just places which are quiet so there's no chance of getting caught. Or they're tagging over some genuinely artistic effort just to show, well, I don't know what they're trying to show. That they can destroy things, maybe?
Another strange aerial sight thereabouts was the tree of shoes beside the little cottage-like Shoreditch station in the old Met days, before Shoreditch High Street replaced it. A special service ran on Sunday mornings for the rather disgusting market where small live animals were on sale.
It certainly caught my eye the first time I drove past this curiosity whilst driving en route to Angel for a gig one summer’s evening. The carriages were decidedly less colourful at that point, what one might call a blank canvass (albeit a metal one), something I suspect changed quite rapidly in the new studio’s evolution! 😄 I didn’t realise they were pretty much a knock off of the D stock, though now pointed out of course there is an obvious resemblance. I must admit I remember on first encountering the then ‘new’ Jube Tube trains that I felt they looked a bit boxy and awkward, so this confirms it really. The new purpose built trains were so much better and one can understand why they decided to scrap the old ones, albeit it is always a shame when something has such a short working life 🤷🏻♂️ Cheers Jago, a great summary as ever 👍🍀🍻
You really know your audience, what with playing the clip of the '96 stock departing even though they were only tangentially related to the video at hand.
Interesting video as always. May I make a suggestion that might make a good subject for you? The redevelopment of Chatham Dockyard. It's a bit out of London but strongly related and after the excellent videos you did on Docklands and Thamesmead it would make an interesting counterpoint. There's a lot of history to the Dockyard itself (The Victory was built there) and when it closed the redevelopment it was a massive project - the Napoleonic part was preserved and contains many interesting things to see and active businesses, but the large housing development on St Mary's Island was done completely differently to Thamesmead and seems to have been much more successful, although there were some quite interesting mistakes. I know it well and can give you some signposts if you'd be interested.
Hi Jago Hazzard, in 1969 our family moved to Australia but we used to live at Haggerston so on a couple of occasions my brother and I got on the train at Dalston Junction and went to Broad Street Station on the original line I am now 65 years old
Hmm, I saw a man a few days ago walking towards Shoreditch High Street station who was filming from chest height while walking. Now I wonder if that man was the elusive Jago Hazzard 🤔
Thanks Mr J for this. I was following in the footsteps of jack the ripper just the other day (better clarify that, virtual on Google Earth) when these caught my eye. Mystery solved.
I recall catching a glimpse of those carriages in the air whilst driving through that area. If I remember correctly I was delivering a van to a client of the van hire company I was working for at the time, which was around 2008/09 time, so not long after they were installed.
Thanks for including the sound of the 1996 stock - very distinctive and memorable. Much nicer than the similar trains on the Northern Line, they just go 'Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'
It's cool how the internet has shown me how much some people love something. It really inspires me to be better at my own hobbies! This channel is a joy to watch.
JAGO;history time-US style! There were several Broad Streets,in the railroad lore in the United States! I'll just give a precis of the notable ones,and the status,of same! 1) Broad Street-BRT/BMT subway station- still active! 2) Broad Street- CNJ station-Jersey City,abandoned!3)Broad Street- Philadelphia,PA,PRR,station- abandoned,and 4) Broad Street,Richmond,Virginia,RF&P,C&O,station- abandoned! Note please,hopefully my memory is good,and I didn't goof up,so anyone out there,who has better knowledge than mine,don't hesitate to chime in!! Thank you 😇,and Jago,excellent as always!! Thanks again 👍 ☺️ 😊 😘 🤗!
