I is have some thoughts… The shopping centre in Watford was called ‘The Harlequin’ from 1992 to 2013. Is this a clue to another explanation for why the line to Watford had this name? A rumour I’ve heard is that this is the *opposite* of a vanity project. In 2015, when Boris Johnson was mayor, he was shown a proposed map with the Overground broken up into different names and colours, and he turned it down, demanding that the Overground brand be retained, and he could continue taking credit for its overall success. (Might be bollocks.) That map, by the way, if you can find it, is, I think, a very strong clue to how the Overground will end up looking on the new map. East London line is still orange, the others are all different, mostly darker colours, but crucially, they all still have a white stripe down the middle. This is a great way to differentiate the Overground from the rest of the network, and effectively double the number of available colours.
@@JayForeman It was and is a bloody stupid name in both instances. It has more to do with beetles than to do with railways or shopping precincts (it wasn't and isn't a "centre" or a "shopping centre" just a precinct.
Sounds like the only consensus among commenters is that the line from Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside should be continue to be called ‘The Goblin’ and to make that its official name
The 'Tube Map' as an entity has really ceased to be just a Tube map, and more of an Travelcard/Oyster Card Fare Zone map, so my argument is that ALL lines that come under the Oyster banner need to stay on it. Besides, it's very handy for tourists!
Some lines have lower frequency though (every half hour, in some cases) and complicated stopping patterns. It's probably better to have one map with all the high-frequency lines (Tube, DLR, Crossrail, Overground and the frequently-served parts of the Thameslink), and then have another map with ALL the lines on it. I once went to London as a tourist and ended up having to wait for a long while for a train because I was trying to catch the Thameslink to get around London, on a weekend day. Thameslink on weekends is too low-frequency to be on the main tube map which tourists will use.
What are the 6 rail services? Underground, DLR, Tram, Overground, LizPurp and ??? Also, I still don't see a real difference between Elizabeth and Overground. If they get to be renamed, should the Elizabeth be "one of the Overground lines"?
@@IIVQ Liz has a very high frequency on all stretches within London. The Overground has some routes and stations that are "only" served 4 times per hour, even within Greater London. Both Liz and Overground are sorta S-Bahn-like, and giving them similar branding likely wouldn't hurt. But on the other hand, the Overground is similar to the Transilien in Paris, while the Liz is similar to the RER. So there's precedent for different brandings too. Also, the District Line is also very similar to the Liz in terms of operations. Arguably, if the District Line is an Underground line, then the Liz could be an Underground line too.
I love the way that in London a metro line that has had its name since 1937 can be called "Johnny come lately"! 🙂I also like the name "Brunel Line" - its about time the Brunel's got some recognition in London (other than their own university in Uxbridge of course).
@@petemoss1938 Because a decent man who enlightens and entertains many would very probably get dragged into the gutter that is local politics. Surely he deserves considerably better than that.
Re the Northern Line - my hope is that the necessary work gets done at Camden Town to split the line in two; then each of the new lines can receive different names.
Re the tube map: for me the point of it is, and has always been, that it's a map of lines which have a real 'turn-up-and-go' service, so that you can travel using just the map - you don't have to carry a timetable as well. I suppose that for smart-phone users, the 'journey-planner' means that they don't use the map quite like that so much. But I still think it's a useful concept so, if the map includes any other services, they should be ones where - for most of the day - the service is a minimum of say every 10 minutes - which would mean the north London Line (mostly), the East London line (down to Sydenham), a lot of the Elizabeth line, the Thameslink core, and the various bits of National Rail that come up to that standard. May be also some of the strategic bus routes which run that often. The map should point this out - and mention the parts of the underground network which don't have 10 minute or better service (mainly Met north of Moor Park).
I was an early user of the smartphone journey planner app, but I definitely prefer route finding purely by the map! But then I’m a millennial so I can’t speak for gen Z. My position is partly due to frustrations getting a signal back then, which may not be an issue so much anymore.
Underground stations and trains may all carry the same red white and blue branding, but they all have some unique branding to the line. Seat moquettes, grab handles, a coloured stripe along the top of the platform, maps with the line colour mounted on the walls. On the point about the map. I think most people use Google Maps directions these days, but sometimes it's still nice to just look at a map of everything to see what your options are or how the whole system all fits together. There will still need to be an "everything map"
I’m one of 8% of men who is red/green colour blind and can struggle with certain colours on the existing tube map. 1 in 200 women are colour blind. That means on a busy day, 250,000 tube journeys are taken by colour blind people. We see blocks of colour better than thin strands, so I’d prefer dashed colour lines rather than coloured outlines. Dashes have the advantage of being easier to print on small scale maps.
An excellent video Jago, lots of great questions and ideas. The Star Trek picture reference @5:40 was bloody brilliant! I even had Kirk’s voice shouting it in my head.
Those orange line colours (did you draw them yourself ?) look great as a Licquorice Allsorts set of colors - quick get round to the LTMuseum, patent the idea and get packets done with the orange and black outer squares and tubes with line colur for all rail systems in the innards etc, with purple line jelly ones.
Your observation / idea about interactive maps is a great one! It's one of those ideas that, when heard, makes me think... why hasn't that been invented already?
It would be extremely expensive to provide widespread facilities to display such maps, but it would be extremely cheap to make them available on the various websites (National Rail, TfL etc). Surely a national transport ombudsman with the power to compel the various companies and authorities to make life easier for their customers is a complete no-brainer.
I'm totally calling it 'The Harlequin' whatever name they pick🤩. @7:54 reminds me of an idea where the services all had their own maps available at their own stations. I think it's too extra but I see the sense in it🤔🤷🏾♀
On the question of "Should London Overground be on the London Underground map?" the answer is a resounding yes. London Underground suffers from major congestion, at times, and showing London Overground Lines to Underground customers, has pushed alternative routes, into the public consciousness of Underground travellers. Modal shift away from crowded Underground lines to London Overground lines, makes the experience of the remaining Underground customers better. It could be argued, that all Underground maps should be totally replace with London Connection maps, to create even more modal shift away from busy London Underground lines. However, we do not have proper integrated transport in the UK, and people who travel onto National Rail service, with the wrong sort of ticket, can get a penalty fair. The solution here, is to pass over all suburban lines going into London (and other UK cities) to TfL (or an equivalent locally controlled transport authority) so that train fares can operate under one system and passengers can be encouraged to take the most effective route around the city. Ultimately, it would good to look at all lines coming into London and split them between express long distance services and commuter services. And brand all the commuter trains into London, the exact same way. We should also give the Mayor of London control of the north and south bits of Crossrail 2 now, and run it as two railways, until Central Government hands back the funding, for the central tunnel.
Really we should just take the route the Netherlands did and integrate all our transport. I suspect that would ultimately be a similar task compared to getting some regions to accept TfL control where there currently isn’t any. But maybe you’re right and the more limited scope of all suburban rail joining the Overground (or at least the Oyster scheme) would be more quickly achievable than the Dutch model.
Your suggestion might take many decades, given the political decisions involved. The first target MUST be to have a single integrated ticketing system, so that at any starting point a passenger can buy a single ticket which covers any and every possible journey on all forms of transport within the area of coverage. I used such a system in Munich (U-bahn, S-bahn, trams and buses) more than forty five years ago. It is easily possible to build a back office system which calculates what proportion of a complex ticket goes to which operating company and distributes the finds accordingly - the airlines have had such systems for at least thirty years.
"However, we do not have proper integrated transport in the UK, and people who travel onto National Rail service, with the wrong sort of ticket, can get a penalty fair. [sic]" The *vast majority* of those travelling on journeys entirely within London use Oyster/Contactless PAYG or a Travelcard season. Within the Oyster PAYG area, PAYG is accepted on all National Rail services, and Travelcards are accepted on National Rail services within the zones except for Heathrow Express and Southeastern highspeed*. The only real issue I can see is passengers using Oyster cards to stations in the Contactless but not Oyster PAYG area, but this problem already itself exists even on the Tube map for Elizabeth line services between Reading and West Drayton, as well as Thameslink services north of Radlett and Potters Bar, and passengers already use Oyster/contactless outside the PAYG area often enough that there's a sign at Brighton station gateline that they're not accepted! *Outboundary Travelcard tickets from Kent specifically including HS1 are however accepted for journeys on Southeastern highspeed services.
Huge fan of the Brunel line suggestion - most important name in British infrastructure and definitely does not get enough recognition among the common joe
The thames tunnel was more marc brunel's project. And though this was quite a feat, many lives were lost in the construction and it was a financial disaster. Is this the brunel we should be celebrating? And it didn't offer any useful reliable connectivity until the overground took it on at much cost.
@@richarddaygm Although many of the other tube lines were also financially shaky (see Yerkes!), and lives are lost in most construction projects, especially difficult pioneering ones (the death toll was small compared to Woodhead Tunnel for example). And Brunel Line neatly covers both Marc and Isambard.
@@iankemp1131 Yerkes - yikes! larceny bribery and blackmail, he is certainly not a guy to be celebrated. Yeah, I've been unfair on Marc - they were different times when life was cheap and debtors were held to account. And wonders of the world can be expensive, I guess. Dedicate it to Marc then :)
I think the only way the "vanity project" argument would make sense would be if the lines were named: The Khan Line, the Mayoral Line, the Sadiq Line, the Sadiq Khan Line, the Mayor Khan Line, and the Mayor Sadiq Khan Line...
I remember visting Hamburg, Germany. It was the first time I'd come across letters for train routes. S Bahn (seemed to be used for overground routes) and U Bahn (which seemed to be for underground routes - which made sense to me with Underground starting with the same letter). I got used to it soon enough
Ah- Straßenbahn (S-Bahn) and Untergrundbahn (U-Bahn) are actually the German words for suburban and underground railway respectively! So they’re not exactly letters for routes, although in this case they can be used to distinguish in a similar way.
I think when you do Q&A style videos like this the question should be read aloud, not just in screen. Better still if you can get someone else to read it out.
It's not worth worrying about confusion with the name Northern Line, as the Northern Line needs to be broken up into the Bank Line and the Charring Cross Line. When that happens, the current name should go.
The most obvious solution to me would be to retain Northern for the CX branch and Southern for the Bank branch, although of course this could cause confusion with the Southern franchise. Then again, the latter doesn't appear on the Underground map.
@@marcelwiszowaty1751 Both the Charing X branch and the Bank branch join and split again going north before ending up at Edgware, one branch and High Barnet the other. Much more north of the river than south. Yes I am looking at a 20 year old Tube Map. Both northern destinations served by a train each from Morden, line splitting before Kennington one via Waterloo the other via the Elephant and Bank. Lines joining and splitting at Camden Town. Jumped on the wrong train at South Wimbledon (confusing name as is in Merton) more than once going to Waterloo. Having to change at the Elephant by crossing the road to the Bakerloo Line, or go back to the Oval. (a cross platform northbound southbound change).
I would definitely want the Overground kept on the tube map. It's already there, so it won't take up any more space. I often use the combined tube / national rail map because I spend most of my time outside the London area. What does irritate me, though, is the way the western branch of the Elizabeth line appears to go North. And I've only just noticed that some of the "towards" arrows off the line are pointing in the wrong direction, should the line be straightened out as it should. Maybe we need a letterbox shape for the diagram.
I showed a non train interest friend an old picture of a station he lived near, and when he saw the NSE train, his eyes lit up, and he got very excited.
I think the best reason for not using letters or numbers for the names is that it is an incredibly dull solution to a problem that could very easily be solved more creatively. London's public transport is as iconic as it is useful and we should continue to give it that respect going forward!
Thanks! Altho here in Berkeley Cal I am far from my adopted home away from home, your vids are always a wonderful "inside baseball" reminder of the Big Smoke.
I think the line colours should be the _opposite_ of the orange-outline option... various bold colours for the various lines (which colours _they_ should be is another argument altogether), but with a thin but intense - almost _fluorescent_ - orange pinstripe down the *_middle._* That way, you would likely see the orange from a distance, which would show you that the station you need is on the Overground rather than the Underground, and if you needed to know the actual name of the line you could get a bit closer to make out the distinct colour of the outline. Because, at the end of the day, the average passenger trying to get from A to B who is inexperienced enough to need a map in the first place is probably just interested in getting to where they're going and doesn't really need to know _which_ Overground line their destination is on - just whether there's a straight route or an interchange from where they currently are.
Thank you Mr Hazzard, a very worthy and helpful follow-up to your earlier video. In that video you mentioned Cartographers and in retrospect I can see that the route map to be produced has many challenges, not least of which is meeting a disability need to be usable by colour blind people. Does the current map actually make each line distinguishable for those people? Personally, I like the idea of solid lines - Overground being orange + another colour. By that logic, the deep tubes should be black + another colour (they're in deep, dark, holes). Similarly 'cut'n'cover' tubes should be brown + another colour. The various waterbourne services blue + another colour, etc. One thought on future maps which might escape most 'locals'. The TfL Route Planner does do a very good job of guiding a person through London's transport quagmire and perhaps the map has, in fact, reached the end of its useful life? Just a thought....
in short, it is recognised that a map differentiated by colour does not help those with colour recognition differences, does this matter with the tube map as essentially the diagramatic nature of the lines dont really show confusable through services ?, there is the official black and white map done by hatching variations - but I have not seen what changes were made since the coming of Jubilee/Crossrail or any inclusion of Overground services
@@highpath4776 There is still a Black & White Large Print Tube map available on TfL's website. As well as hatching variations, they use differing shades to be able to get two different lines out of the same hatching variation.
Dotted was historically used to denote limited service. The current map has a white stripe with purple outline for the Elizabeth line presumably because the colour they wanted was too close to the Metropolitan colour. They also have similar for DLR so it seems they have already decided the solid line with outline is the way to go next.
I feel like letters/numbers would be much better to name the DLR lines as they all serve the docks and thus would be named after places close together and to a more local level
@@mysterium368 I'd swap your DLR1 and DLR 2 so that the three lines to the City have consecutive numbers (2,3,and 4) In your plan other shared lines do follow a pattern: Isle of Dogs is 1 and 2, Beckton is 4 and 5, International is 5 and 6, Woolwich is 3 and 6 (multiples of 3)
@@mysterium368BTW, DLR2 would need to include peak services from Lewisham to Stratford. Maybe what you could do under such a system is having Stratford to Canary Wharf services as 'DLR2', and extended Lewisham services as 'DLT2+'. Still, its the kind of system that obviously could work fine
Should the overground be on the map? Maybe? Honestly probably, it's serving a similar function to the underground lines and functions mostly the same. DLR too. But I think we can all agree that the Emirates Air Line is questionable at best.
Re: the Liverpool St to Enfield Town/Cheshunt/ Chingford. I reckon the route to Chingford should be Lea Valley. The Route to Enfield and Cheshunt should be Ermine, after the Roman Road it sort of follows. Also, I like the idea of the Harlequin, as it reminds me of the old name of the shopping centre in Watford.
From the GER to Network Rail, the "Lea Valley" line has been the one through Ponders End (which doesn't appear on the Tube Map because it is still run by Greater Anglia). It would lead to a lot of confusion, prerhaps dangerously so in the event of an incident, if another line nearby was marketed by TfL using the same name.
8:47 Apple Maps and Google Maps have great transit maps and information. I remember having an online Tube map I memorised when I was in London. Although ideally, I would like to collect maps like Geoff Marshall.
We do need a modern day Beck for all the route planning stuff - I only really ever think of the underground, liz line - ok, buses at a push, overground/national rail along with river 'buses' and the cable car barely ever
I don't favour being left to my own devices since, truth be told, I have trouble distinguishing my external rectal sphincter from my superior radioulnar joint.
Perhaps someone should remind whoever is in charge that the Bexleyheath line should serve Charing Cross, as it has been for many years. Whoever came up with the idea to chop that service needs their head examining.
The Romford to Upminster branch line? Not Emerson Park line. Because if you've ever been round the Emerson Park McMansions at Christmas and the fearsome and tasteless light pollution that makes amateur astromony hard, even Romford and the shouting lager-lager-lager is less light polluting for those that don't live in the centre of Romford. South Street, Romford, Shopping Arcade. I've binoculars in my pocket.
The tube map is essentially a marketing tool for TfL (services), rather than a means for londoners to get around efficiently, effectively or cheaply. Some folk at Tooting Bec were working out how to get to Battersea Power Station - they concluded the map said go to Kennington (implied walk up the steps then down to change platforms as no step free to the platform there yet) and Back (in Zone 1) to BPSS. The easy route is Walk to Balham (a doable slog depending where one starts from), then Southern to Battersea Park then short walk, all in Zone 2/3 and about 8 min quicker- If one wants the Northern Line it is possible mearly to go Clapham North then walk, I reckon you could beat the tube from Clapham North with a brisk stroll - I could be wrong ).
A reminder that there is also a perfectly good way of getting around London by bus as well. Finchley Central may famously indeed be ten long stations from Golders Green, change at Camden Town - but it's much quicker by bus.
The map is meant to convey how to get to TfL stations using TfL services on the map. It's not primarily about showing what's quicker. Though if it were to have every last thing on there to enable the quickest route including walking, the map would be even more overcrowded.
I see a new video from Mr Hazzard. I click onto it, and like it. Then I watch it. In that order. Mr Hazzard yet again does not disappoint - a fine and thought-provoking coverage of the subject throughout.
Some consideration will have to be given to how compressed the network is on the pocket Underground Map (not to mention the vagaries of colour printing in various publications, and 'varieties of colour vision').
See Jay Foreman's "What Went Wrong With The Tube Map" video to see some alternative designs., I think the Overground can fit within the tube map with a bit of thought.
I think the power wielded by the Mayor of London is greater than a single MP (so Boris' Buses, Livingstone's Bendies (and before that Fare's Fair), plus us history nerds recall what the likes of the LCC leaders and Metropolitan Board of Works guys did in the past, I was never certain what Horace Cutler did though (cut things and wear bow-ties ?- probably invented Thamesmead sans Transport from my hazy memory)
Cutler renamed the Fleet Line to Jubilee. He also had PR stunts digging holes in the Strand to "start" Phase 2 (Charing X - Fenchurch St via Ludgate Hill) of it.
Many years ago, I turned up at Düsseldorf Hbf and was presented with a U-Bahn map. Knowing Köln I was heartily disappointed. Clearly this nearby city wasn’t as well endowed with public transport as its neighbour. I then walked outside to find a plethora of Trams converging at the station. Then I saw the S-Bahn network map, and then the Regional Zug map… I didn’t even try to find the bus map! Way too much for one map, so they didn’t.
How many Lines ? dont know , so here are some names - Dave, Gloria. Elsie, Gregory, ( hmm, better might be Alice, Barny, Cleo, ) - what rules do you want, no name sharing the first letter of an existing Tube line ?
They've all already got perfectly good names! I'm going to keep calling them.... The Watford DC Line, The Goblin Line, The North London Line, The East London Line, The Lea Valley Lines and the Romford to Upminster Line. I The are all operated as London Overground. These names are historic and reflect where they go and would not be confusing to Londoners and tourists alike.
There's solid lines, hollowed lines, and hashed lines. But how difficult would it be to have a hollowed line with an X hatch inside? I think it would work even at smaller scale. And using letter/numbers could be used in addition to named lines: all Underground Lines could be assigned M1-M11 in opening order (from Metropolitan 1 to Jubilee 11) and then the DLR could be assigned L and split into its routes, Croydon Trams split into various T lines, the Elizabeth Line would be E, and all the Overground lines as "S" (for Suburban) but then split into its various routings. As much as it's not how the English do it, it helps organisationally. I'd say that the Overground is too integrated with the Underground because of how it runs, despite how integral Thameslink and other National Rail services are in the London area. Just my 2p. (Which as of this comment is worth about 2.5 US cents.)
I’m against giving lines letters because the existing lines might be A, B, C etc, then a new line opens between A and B. The next letter is F. We then either have to put up with illogical A, F, B etc or re-letter them. Names avoids that problem. Also names can cope with lines being split or merged: just rename.
Hello Dear Jago. I'll like to share my humble thoughts on naming the six different lines, as beautifully discussed in this absorbing Tale From The Tubes. I'd like to see them given floral names, such as Buttercup Line, Daffodil Line, Foxglove Line, Petunia Line, Rose Line, and Violet Line. Where required these could be shortened to the initial, for example, B, D, F, P, R, and V Lines. The name could be displayed for identification purposes at stations and on stationery with an artists illustration of the flower for that line. I think this would be accepted by large number of commuters, as we all know how railways and flowers have always been linked.
To differentiate, the simple answer is number the DLR, tram and Overground lines. It makes them clearly distinguishable from the Underground and other rail services.
Dear Tom, We really like the station histories and wondered if you could look at Gallion's Reach. Our youngest visits his girlfriend there and we have dubbed these trips as visits to 'Pirate's Cove', or 'going down to the Cove'. We know that the spelling is different (Gallion's vs galleons), and our imagination has run away with the fairies, but it does make the seem girlfriend more exotic! Mike
Northern Line, named for the GNR lines it took over. Ironically it closed much of it, the 'main' line to Edgware, past Mill Hill East, and the branch to Ally Pally, plus the line from Finsbury Park to East Finchley. If the mooted (but probably never to see the light) proposal to reinstate the Finsbury Park to East Finchley section came about, with the Tube ending at East Finchley,and the ex-GNR ran once again on ex-GNR lines (but to Moorgate), the last vestage of GNR would be gone. So, what to call it? Well, it runs from Morden to Middlesex, so, obviously, the Morsex line. In pink and red. With hearts? The East London Line was once a Tube line. QED, leave it a Tube line. Personally I'd re-open the St.Mary's Curve and run Metropolitan Line trains to New Cross/Gate. Now that would really invigorate the area, with direct connections to the centre of town, or at most, change at Aldgate onto the District (which could use the curve too, but just how complex can 'one' line be? This isn't fanciful. The St. Mary's Curve was used for passenger traffic until not so long ago, and is useable still.
@@ttrjw Oh yes, I forgot it was recently lifted. Still, easy enough to put back, without too much cost I suspect. True the number of trains would be limited, but with loads of other trains using the Thames tunnel anyway the capacity would always be limited.
@@shero113 The flat junction with the ELL line to/from Dalston woukld severely limit tghe number of trains that could use the line. You would also have to remove some trains from the Upminster Line because of capacity constraints west of Whitechapel.
Do wonder about the DLR question; it is such a different prospect there with all the cross-running and potential to change services as needed in the future.
Names for Overground routes 1. North & West London Route (Red with orange outline) from Stratford to Richmond and Clapham Junction via North London 2. East and South London Route (Yellow with orange outline) from Highbury & Islington to New Cross, Crystal Palace, West Croydon and Clapham Junction via East and South London. 3.Watford Route (White with orange outline) from Euston to Watford Junction. 4. Chingford Route (Navy with orange outline) from Liverpool Street to Chingford. 5. Enfield & Cheshunt Route (Turquoise with orange outline) from Liverpool Street to Enfield Town and Cheshunt. 6. Riverside Route (Grey with orange outline) from Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside. 7. Rompster Route (pale blue with orange outline)
I suppose we could all play wordle for five letter words that it rejects - some of them could be great trade names as I struggle to complete that daily task
As the person who put forward the idea of the orange "infill" line idea, can I thank you for saying your are "marginally inclined" to it compared to other proposals (although the orange dash idea would be usable) - I wasn't aware that I'd nicked something used in Tokyo! My logic was based on your two main thoughts: the orange is already used (all infilled with the same colour), so keeping the base part of it orange seemed logical while, as you point out, dashed lines are used for National Rail and, as it's part of the TfL family, it makes sense to have a degree of difference from NR routes. Anyway, keep up with your insightful, thoughful and tongue-in-cheek videos - you are the infill to my orange outline.
This may be a little controversial, but I think that the Elizabeth line should be one of the London Overground lines. It fits perfectly into this scheme because: - It already has its own colour - It is represented in a way similar to how the London Overground is/will be represented on the map - It is a National Rail line, just like the London Overground lines - It operates services at a similar frequency to the Overground network, with similar commuter targets - Its route patterns (almost) resemble that of the Overground I know it seems silly considering how this line was such a huge project and deserves its own unique identity, but since all the London Overground lines are getting their own identities, why not incorporate the Elizabeth line? Without incorporating it, it just becomes this strange anomaly on the map with very few differences to the London Overground network. Just a thought.
From a member of the London despora (just invented that), Goblin, Brunel and North London lines please! The rest are other peoples choices. Thank you, great video as always.
Your thoughts on a possible interactive map reminded me of something which used to be in certain busy areas of the capital, back in the 60s. If you are as old as your somewhat distinguished voice suggests that you are, you might remember them too. There was a rather large map which showed where you were, and you could type in where you wanted to go or push a button on the display which had the most popular places displayed (I forget which), and little lights would appear showing you the route. And now, maybe there's already an app to guide you through London's rail system and all you have to do is spend even more time on your phone to find the best route. Once upon a time you could ask a policeman on the beat, but they are now extinct. Like the illuminated street guides.
@@hb1338 They were. I know. I had a relative who was a beat policeman many decades ago and people would ask him all kind of things, like where to find something or somewhere, or the best way to get to somewhere. Quite common, in fact.
Sydney did a network map for about 30 seconds where all the railway lines were coloured orange. It can work, and can also be seen on Transit Maps as Transit Maps: Cancelled Official Map - Public Transport Map of Sydney 2016.
As long as we don't have any more lines named after the Royal Family!!!! I have a Tokyo rail map produced by JR East - it shows JR lines in Black, Metro/Subway lines in Bold colours, and pastel colours for the major private railways (Tobu, Tokyu, Keisei, Seibu, Keikyu etc). It works quite well, but doesn't distinguish between the individual lines of each company (though these are normally named on the map). There again, there aren't enough colours in existence to have one for every single line in Tokyo!!!
I don't really think the Chingford line is the same as the Enfield/Cheshunt lines for customers. Only the people who operate the lines connect them as they use the same trains. For the passenger, the lines have at best two stations in common (Hackney Downs - always, and Bethnal Green - one in two).
I did suggest the Enfield/Cheshunt should use the left over color and signage of TfL Rail - esp as it goes into Liverpool Street , but it might mean some kind of train painting. I think the Chingfords too, were not all part of the the Great Eastern;s Jazz Service intensive commuter network
Great video with good thoughts. One suggestion: it really helps if you also read out the questions/points as well as the thoughts/answers, rather than having key content that can only be read off the screen. At the distance I view these, I had to keep rewinding to re-read the points, as they weren't easy to see against mixed background, and sometimes if I'd looked away I'd find you were now talking about something quite different! Just a thought.
Nice shot of a SWR train at Surbiton . Now there’s an idea, what about names for the SWR branches ( if i had my way the whole of Londons railways would be under TFL)
On the Underground, the mapping between routes and tracks is very straightforward - at any Underground platform, it is very rare that more than two end destinations are possible, and there is usually only one major terminus. If you stand on platform 4 at Woking, there are at least ten end destinations available. That means that the link between tracks and routes is tenuous at best.
Regardless of which line was named first, it's clear that the Northern line is more known by that name now compared to the purported 'North London line'. They will obviously be confused and this double naming for the tube map should absolutely be avoided.
The North London appeared named as such on the tube map, thanks to Ken Livingstone, with no problem. We dont have problems with the Great Northern either.
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