Thousand Sons Unit Tier List in 10th Edition Warhammer 40K - Best and Worst Index Datasheets? 

A FEW CORRECTIONS: - Managed to miss the Land Raider on this one, unfortunately probably Tier 3 for thousand sons, just not really anything that needs the melee delivery. I'd rather have Scarabs walking or teleporting and rubrics in rhinos if using a transport. - Scarab Occult Terminators only need a psyker in the unit to get the -1 to wound, which they already have from the aspiring sorcerer (so that's not usually an added advantage of the terminator sorcerer) - Infernal master's 'change a dice roll' is for HIM ONLY. Makes it far less good than I said on the defensive as can't have rubric marines making auto-saves. Thanks for spotting those!

Tier 1, basically every model you saw that made you want to start a TSons army.

Thousands Sons combat patrol should have been called Oops all Tzaangors

Scrab Occult Terminators. The wording on their -1 to wound is "While this unit contains one or more Psyker models". The Scrab Occult Sorcerer has the Psyker keyword. So no need to attach an character to get the -1.

Always love to see the tsons getting some love, though slight correction on the terminator -1 to wound ability: While people do take the sorcerer in terminator armor to pair with the scarab occult terminators, it is not required in order for them to get the -1 to wound ability to trigger. The ability specifies that there has to be a psyker in the unit, and the scarab occult sorcerer that is leading the unit is classified as a psyker thus a psyker leader is not needed. Still if you have the scarabs may as well take their terminator leader counterpart

I really hope Tsons gets some of the DG treatment in our next codex, unique daemon engines are desperately needed. Not just another character, please GW...

For no reason in particular I would like to thank you on behalf of the community for your constant and consistent updates thoughts and commentary. Your videos (beloved by all) are no nonsense overviews of the gaming and collecting side of the hobby. Again, thanks and may the emperor protect.

To add to Infernal Master. You can use him with Arcane Vortex Enhancement so you get 2D6 shots of S7 AP-2 D2. Combined with devastating wounds in psychic attacks with Kindred Sorcery, you always get a 6 from his abillity. In my games he usually makes 6-8 devastating in one shooting phase.

I'd push the Tzaangor Shaman to Tier 2 to be honest, as when it leads an unit of Enlightened it really does help in giving some toughness and punch to those lovable action chickens. It is basically a force multiplier for disky birdies.

Last time I was this early I was still flesh and blood.

Let's go! Here's hoping the codex, whenever that comes out, finally adds back some of our flavor.

An interesting note about the Defiler, that I see missed often, is that it is equipped with weapons that can be buffed as a pyschic weapon

I reckon the Tzaangor would be taken alot more if their cabal point generation was on a 2+ like the cultists. Or even if rush had something like an 8 inch move

I would love to see a tier list for the Black Templars!

Can we get a list of all three tiers at the end? It'd be nice to look at the whole picture. This was actually perfect timing too, because I'm going to be making a Thousand Sons army soon

GW has never really quite got the rules quite right for Sons. The fact that every unit doesn't contribute something to the pool of Cabal points means you'll see the same units over and over again just out of necessity. The fact that SM lost more units to legends then Sons had to begin with doesn't feel great either. Rhino are almost pointless,; if there are Rubrics inside, they don't contribute to the Cabal point pool. The army is just a collection of "miss the mark units".

So stuck between Thousand sons, Salamanders and Necrons as my next army I've played chaos fallen since 4th but they've become more chaos then marine. This may have convinced me

Glimpse of eternity for the infernal master only works on the model itself sadly.

Auspex took away our land raider. It’s missing from the ranking. (Honestly I’d say tier 3 unless you found a great use case for lobbing ahiriman and a flame blob up the board) TSons are my favorite army. I wish we had a few more options but not a horrible place.

Wow Auspex, you gotta go back a little. I think you are giving the Heldrake to much credit. He doesn't strip cover by shooting. That would almost be good. He has to move over an enemy model to strip cover.

Cultist also have the scout keyword which is really big for competitive play and should be tier 1 for chaff

it breaks my heart to see that a TS Heldrake is doing that pourly because I have been eyeing it for quite a while.

This video helped me to figure out that im going to save up for thousand sons kits.😊

You should do death guard next! they got a huge buff and are cool

The terminator combo is quite spectacular once you are able to pull it off on turn one can pretty much alpha strike most things off the board.

Where is the land raider?

A special thousand sons dreadnought would be awesome

Anyone knows which model is the one that appears in the photo as the terminator sorcerer?

Most of the things in tier 3 need a SIGNIFICANT point decrease to even be viable. Tzaangors will never really be viable, cultists do what they do but better in every way. They have a scout move of 6 which is huge and a 6++ and when they die you can get cp. If tzaangors were 50 points it might be worth having a 20 man and a shaman sitting in the middle as a durable screen Maulerfiend needs something like a 50 points decrease to even be worth considered, helbrute needs about 20-30 points decrease tp be worth anything. I don't think the predator tanks can ever be good. Spawn is a little bit over costed, if i could take a single spawn it would be very good for screening and backfield objective holding and secondaries, otherwise i think that if it was 50 points it might be worth considering. Defiler and vindicator wont be worth their points ever either suffering from the same problem most of the units have where they have no interaction with the army rules. Thousand sons are suffering from sucess where our rubrics and scarabs are so good that nothing else makes sence getting other than just spamming rubrics and sorcerers. Its a very boring play style that was more fun in the last edition since we could use magic on other units to make them stronger. It felt like a more complete army last edition because we could use other units and magic them good. Now everthing that isn't a rubric, sorcerer or magnus is just worse in every way than their counterparts and there is basically no way to buff them any meaningful way. I have played a bit of deathguard this edition after their buffs and its a much more fun army to play since so many of their units are viable in their own way.

12 Minutes :D Hi Auspex youre a freaking gem

Ah yes, one of the armies I have in boxes waiting to assemble when I'm less busy.

GW will never forgive Heldrake for 6th edition, isn't it? Poor demon dragon

I really want to get into thousand sons because i like the sacarab occult terminators but if fear that they will go out of date with a New scale

Thousand sons my beloved

Very silly question sorry guys just trying to get into warhammer, But if my character/unit has 1 shot dealing 3 damage And there’s 3 let’s say ork boyz in front of it Does that 1 shot kill all 3 ork boyz Or does 1 shot only kill 1 ork boy and the remaining 2 DAMAGE is lost Since I’ve seen some people saying the shots don’t spill over and I easily get confused, thank you

Updated Custodes list por favor 🙏🙏

The only thing I expect from the new unit, is some kind of mechanic, that allows you to receive cabalistics for your position, or moves on the table. I still veeery much doubt, that they will allow us to summon demons as like-minded from AoS, for unit-summoner. Action, control of objective markers, sacrifice of models, anything, that will remove this damn army rule “Either cram guys with sticks into the roster, or sit with 1.5 cabalists.” AND THERE IS NOT NEW TZAANGOR. Not to mention the fact, that it only transferring the problem from the Nine, that the already small pool of units narrows even more, because something just from the middle lowers your core resources. The Necrons restore 100500 wounds regardless of the turn and situation on the table, and our faction mechanics at the end of the game only allow 2 rerolls. By the way. I would take the skyfires where are all the bray. As I like to say in the club - "This is the cheapest unit we have available and they show every game why." 6 attacks on 4+ are often not enough to even scratch a space marine, and I’m generally silent about the HQ of other factions. If you are adding a shaman, better waste this 100+ points on 5 rubricae, than on this extra-thin paper.

The infernal master is so strong with the arcane vortex. Add in being near magnus for plus 1 to wound and 10 warpflamer rubrics and that's one really, strong squad. 2 d6 attacks Strength 7 Plus 1 to wound 1 magic 6 every round 2 damage Devastating wounds from the army rule. Damage output is nuts! Plus 1 to hit from Magnus is irrelevant with flamers, obviously.

10:25 some infantry-killing, c'tan obliterating, titan crippling psychic shooting

Land Raiders??

Now I'm new here but what if GW had more story bits and releases charater/votable table-top unit, so there releases in-between bigger announcements 🤔 units that's if got a outstanding reception GW would give them a data sheet. GW would have to be open to fan to company communication, and both parties would have to open to ...CHANGE. and if not worth the cost it would never make it past the conceptualize phase.🎉

Hate TS. They removed saving throws off my BANEBLADE and boltered it to death

Poor Heldrake being the lowest on the list, i was thinking of getting it but I'll stick to the Maulerfiend for my Iron Warriors

Those poor heldrakes get no love anywhere.

Infernal master dice flip is only for himself, so not that useful.

I like Auspex videos but how he uses colors in his videos/thumbnail is bothering me so much. When he talks about the best units he goes from green to red or bad to good. When he talks about win rates he goes from red to green or lowest to highest. When it's about nerfs and buffs he uses red for nerfs and green for buffs. Sometimes red means bad and sometimes it means good. I don't real care what color in whatever cohesion he uses but for a channel based on statitics and facts at least use a consistent color scheme for the visualization of ur statistics.

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I used to play them, now they are a golden pile of shi- I mean shame lying in my room