Yeah, go live there and live under ground to avoid radiation... And not being able to breath, in Antarctica you can at least breath, but only researchers live there
You’ve sold yourself out, bud. What have you accomplished? Certainly no Nobel Prize. Your criticism of a Hero vis-à-vis humanity won’t age well for you.
@@withoutfurtheradoforever He hopes to be able to launch rockets every couple of days to Mars.. I think he wants to get as many people on the way that he can before the people leaving later can learn that those who left earlier all perished. It will be interesting to see how much of the truth will be hidden during the future era of Moon and Mars missions. Space outside of the protection of Earth is a very unforgiving unfriendly place for humans. Failed space missions are not popular in our culture. It's interesting that it's ok for many people to be lost in wars, but having them lost in space missions appears to be an even greater tragedy in our minds. Elon gets criticism for every little thing that people don't like or agree with now. Just imagine how much disdain there will be for him when people die on the missions.
The thoughts and humour of seventh-grade boys? Do you think people have that type of humour as adults? Are you going to make fart jokes? What other "edgy" jokes do you have? The cringe just hurts my brain.
@@suncat9 Imagine extracting materials and building components to build space craft on the moon with it's own launch facility. The size of the craft and it's payloads could be much larger as the escape velocity is much lower. Also there is no air resistance. So the fuel could be dedicated to making space craft faster in transit instead of being spent on escaping gravity. Its a no brainer in my opinion.
No one gives a sh!t what you would do unless you're willing to pay for it. You got the money to pay someone to take you to Mars? Then go for it. Otherwise STFU with your mindless drivel.
You need thousands of tons of water for a significant power plant. That's why we can't produce much power in space. We could make it work on Mars, but it would be far from the first step.
@@damdampapa Uhhh...We have Landing Rockets, New Rocket Engines, Tesal Model3, Model Y, Model X, Cybertruck, and Model S which he promised would come out. Oh, yeah...That Roadster too, first one. Semi truck, And now Robot in the works, and Robotaxi too....Failure? Yeah, he fails, but he also SUCCEEDS too, MANY OF THEM. Oh, Paypal, and now the New Twitter, X is going to succeed too. Go back to your basement, Troll.
Who needs self appointed experts when you have 5 year old children to take your cybertruck inspiration from. What a hit that was! And thank goodness he didn't listen to any of the engineers who recommended they not remove the LIDAR from Teslas because ever since their accident rates went down and FSD is full and complete as a result. And thank goodness he didn't listen to the hundreds of self appointed experts who told him that the hyperloop wasn't feasible because now they have better than high speed transit between LA and San Francisco. And thank goodness he didn't listen to all the self appointed experts who said that single vehicle tunnels under LA was a stupid idea because now LA has completely congestion free traffic. What a visionary!
Imagine the social dynamics on a Mars outpost... limited resources. Survival focussed. Limited contact to any guiding authority on Earth. I genuinely wonder how it would work.
Not so different from the early colonies in the Americas, except instead of hostile natives trying to eat you, you are dealing with a hostile planet that should not be able to support any life.
@@ZM-dm3jg good point. Except that in the colonies it would have been at least a possibility to return to the homeland. In the Mars case it's a one way ticket, and they'd be very aware of that. What happens if some dominant type grabs power and decides to run things their own way?
@@stodgepodge I believe things would be much worse for the second generation. Imagine being born on a Mars colony, knowing about Earth, but that you'll never get to go there.
@@ZM-dm3jg that is an interesting thought... what sort of people would develop in the absence of Earth's culture, heck even things as simple as knowing what a living landscape looks like. I wonder if they'd resent the ones who brought them there...
You two are sooooo very King James the First. For those who don’t know. He was very against the colonization of America citing the enormous cost and loss of life. Seems like he may have been wrong😂
@@rajeevgangal542 More by disease than deliberate fighting (Though that was very real & vicious, both sides) -- like happened in Europe during the time of the plagues. There is some evidence deadly disease in NE America preceded the European invasion and small pox. Of the First Nations, many are regaining population and are very much a part of 21st century science and engineering. Especially at the Flathead Reservation in Montana. A better comparison would be the Chinese emperor who ordered his trans-Pacific Fleet to be destroyed. China never recovered from that vision destroyer.
That's a rather vapid comment that doesn't really say anything. Critical thinking is "throwing stones" for you? and "no skin in the game" when the topic is humanity?
@@damdampapa The world is full of people who do nothing but start to throw stones as soon as others try to do something. Guess Elon should just abandon Space X and have never have even started due to the armchair warrior that says he's going to FAIL.
@@jasonbuksh2958 You're confusing "armchair quarterbacking" with "critical thinking". Your comment is very similar to the "will nobody think of the children" virtue exclamation. Musk is just some guy from a rich household. No messiah. No genius. Just greedy and dishonest. There are literally millions who could do a better job.
I don't see Mars as viable until we get better at space travel. When we do get better at space travel - Mars would be a great stop for the rest of the solar system, and this is where Mars could shine. But honestly with our current tech we should focus on a moon base and getting past basic issues.
But it's still a monumental effort just to get to and from orbit around our own planet. We need a permanent orbital spaceport and be able to go to and from it just as we do with airports and seaports. Only after we've realistically mastered that aspect of space travel should we then consider going further. Use the spaceport as a start and end point when travelling to and from other planetary bodies, like the moon and Mars. Travelling to and from the spaceport to the earth's surface should be like a taxi or bus service.
@@Mentaculus42 Radiation can be shielded, it's not a huge problem, we are smart enough to be able to get around any problem, if you put your mind to it
@dianerios880 In my humble opinion, none of the comments on this thread (so far) are insurmountable obstacles.. I think if our culture exists for another century, we will HAVE self-sustaining colonies on Mars if not other places..
You don't make any sense. Colonizing Antarctica is not Musk's goal, so he never tried that. If he WANTED to colonize Antarctica, it would be MUCH easier and less expensive than colonizing Mars.
Why go to anywhere in space? We can create arguments for the timid & unimaginative among us, but the real reason is the same one that drove Og out of the safety of the valley to discovered what lurked up in the snowy mountain tops he had seen all his life -- but knew nothing about. That not knowing drove him to explore. There is much that can be learned only by going, by being there. For we descendants of curiosity controlled Og, that is reason enough.
I just DO NOT understand WHY we haven't "colonized" the moon by now. There should definitely multiple bases and hotels there by now!!! What? Is it that the moon is pummelled by meteorites?? I DON'T GET IT
@@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD Really?????? thanks for an explanation.. not 100% sure they are the reasons but at least it's a start for me to understand!! much gratitude friend.
@@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711 yeah the main reason for interest in Mars over the moon is sustainability. Mars could eventually become self reliant, the moon could not. Moon bases would always rely on constant imports from earth, which makes them subject to Earth budgets and interest. Resource acquisition that is cost competitive with Earth is probably centuries of technological development away, which would mean a net drain for no economic return for the foreseeable future. A self reliant Mars would be immune to Earth budget cuts, or really anything that happened over here
@@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD SUPER INTERESTING!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME Annnnnd you make a lot of sense as well vis a vis earth budjets and unsustainability if there is no "deep water" or any resources..
@@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711 it's not even about whether or not there are resources. Imagine if there was a place on Earth with lots of valuable metals, but operating and shipping there cost about 1000 times as much as anywhere else. Well, it just wouldn't be worth it. That's the moon
Reading "A City on Mars", I'm left suspecting that if in 1960 they'd written "A Trip to the Moon", they'd have raised many very valid problems with the idea of a human getting to the moon, let alone doing so soon. What they seem to lack is an engineer's perspective - most problems are not game-stoppers, just something to be overcome if a goal is important enough. And that is really the big question - does Humanity want and need to go to Mars badly enough to develop all the technologies needed? Their ultimate answer is that there's no reason not to wait another century, when we'll have more and better technologies. It's not a bad answer - just not a very good one, especially considering how attempting to establish a presence on Mars is already driving technological progress much faster - as witness Elon and SpaceX.
Human biology is so fine-tuned to be optimized for Earth conditions that it doesn't seem possible right now and possibly ever. Maybe one day gene editing could one day alleviate this, but every human that sets foot there in the next 100 years will suffer horrible health effects and probably lead to abandoning the project until some other time or making the visit short-term and not permanent.
If this guy had his way, Columbus would never have left Spain. Will people die in the quest to go into the unknown, probably. I for one would rather risk all in a worthwhile endeavor than sitting on a couch watching RU-vid videos. We choose to go to Mars in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win.
Subscriber and watched your videos for years. Why platform purely negative individuals who offer nothing to society? Highly disappointed in you Brian, will be unsubbing and not watching your future content as it seems to be of poor quality now.
Look brother the same rules in space can’t be the same rules as on earth. It’s pure arrogant self righteousness to think those 2 sets of rules will EVER be the same. In space if you can no longer contribute to the group then it’s the choice of those people in THAT group to decide what to do NOT people sitting on earth with every creature comfort. I liken this to condemning people who lived 200 years ago and judging them by today’s standards which is also such a grossly arrogant thing to do. People of earth will have to grow up and become adults if we ever have a chance to live in space. If all we want to do is stay on earth and be judgmental pricks then don’t waste my time with this topic ever again. Take all these kinds of RU-vid vids down if we can’t be serious adults about exploring space. Don’t waste my time if we can’t be grown up adults about this topic.
Solutions to what? What problem would bankrupting the earth's economy in the futile goal of creating an impossible Mars colony (which, by the way, would be completely uninhabitable) solve?
@@christophermendez7372 You have no idea what the costs will be - and yes - it will be unlivable in any reasonable sense of the term. No one wants to live in an environmental where to go out of doors, they have to carry their oxygen with them and if they miscalculate their remaining air, they will perish. You're insane if you think otherwise.
@chuckschillingvideos yes j do. Starship costs with the v3 ship are unknown, and scientists on twitter have done pretty good analysis on the costs of settlement and have estimated well under 100 billion. Also, mars can be pretty easily terraformed.
Very difficult to get there, not just the distance but the lack of an atmosphere significant enough for aerobraking. If you do manage to land there the radiation will kill you in a short while. Many mention the problem we would have with radiation on Mars but on Europa it is about five thousand times stronger, more or less enough to kill an unprotected person in less than a day. It wouldn't help to go underground because you'd be dead by the radiation even before you land. The radiation is generated by Jupiter.
PS im in bracey VA if you wanna hangout today and go swimming and exchange energy in reality by playing frisbee at the kerr lake dam free public swim area...
The point of a colony on Mars is that it can grow, if it can be self sufficient. If we built something underground on Earth, it wouldn't grow. It would just die off. Also, this attitude of "here's all the reasons it won't work" is kind of silly. We're going to find even more reasons why it won't work once we send people out there and we run into problems we haven't even thought about. It doesn't mean we can't solve those problems. There are so many brilliant people out there wasting their time adding some meaningless feature your favorite social network or stuck in some fake corporate job. Maybe we won't have a colony on Mars, but I'm sure there's loads a people willing to have a crack at that problem, just make it possible for them to fly there.
I think focus on space is more important and calculable than a climate that has been changing since conception. I think all production on Earth, including particle accelerators and other dead end studies should be reduced and all resources and assets focused on settling off Earth. Just my opinion. This preserves Earths future and provides climate study and enhancing the Earth Reserve. There are ways, just need WAY more thought …
To create any sort of colony on Mars, that is self sustaining you would have to pour the gross national product of every country on earth into the project. At the end of the day you would have a meaningless semi self-sustaining always upset and complaining Martian community
Very disappointed with the topic of the male to female mix on a Mars mission. The fact that you can't be frank about what the ratio should be and why is telling. This is the main reason that any colonies attempted on Mars will fail by the third round of colonists. Men and women are different and want different things. This speaks to the childish level of our culture. You can't solve an issue if you only allow discussion of half the problems.
To colonize Mars you need nuclear energy, period. Chemical rockets, solar panels and humans will not combine well on a Mars mission. Elon is full of it. I imagine he is just pushing it forward, hoping that nuclear rockets and reactors will come enabling this mission. The other “small” issue is that this is costly and makes no profit. Asteroid mining could be very different. After the moonbase, asteroid mining should be our next step. I also love Mars, but I understand the real challenges of getting humans there and let them survive. Dying on Mars its really easy. Get on Starship with limited supplies and head over..
Nuclear power plants don't run themselves. They need operators. They need secondary sources of energy for both normal operational conduct as well as backup. They need sources of coolant and waste disposal. And never mind that you have to get these things which weigh MILLIONS OF POUNDS to Mars in the first place. It's clear that the fantasists like you haven't really thought any of the REAL issues through.
Classic case of asking the wrong question. Of COURSE we will never "colonize" Mars. The list of insurmountable obstacles is so vast and severe that any reasonable person would see that the mere attempt is sheer foolishness. The real question is WHY - why does anyone even think it's an endeavor worth pursuing? There is absolutely nothing on Mars that we do not have on Earth. There is only unfathomable expense, hardship and death for anyone who attempts even to journey to that wretched red rock.
"ooooh I'm soooo funny, and I know everything because I did mind experiment and it works on paper I figure it all out" :) if people use iterative approach to solve problems then we can do anything we want, all we need is time and if someone asks where is you proof, well the proof is you, writhing a reply to this comment on a keyboard from your phone or computer instead of hiding in a cave in fear of being eaten by some wild animal :)
Going to Mars to avoid problems of humanity? Nice to know that even two geniuses like Musk or Hawking can be frightfully dumb. Forget trying to fix this planet, let's go to another none where we will have the same exact problems-just add time. Wow...
If Mars is occupied by humans those humans will have the same human nature as those on earth. And the same societal issues. People evolved over millions of years. Their nature will not change instantly by moving - even to a neighboring planet.
@@SorinSilaghi You're absolutely, and very good point. Since the 1950's, preceeding Hawking's career, this topic has been and continues to be exhaustively researched and written about in 1000's of books, papers, presentations, & films- NASA traditionally being the primary source to aggregate and publish this research. It's been in the works for a longtime, and I do hope it's successful.
By the time we have the technology to actually live on Mars, space habitats will simply be more economical and practical. Mars offers nothing outside of scientific curiosity on the origins of life in our solar system. The moon is a far better place to live..once you have advanced bioengineering. And a place to build bigger scientific instruments for universal study, along with bigger rockets for probing deeper into space. If you really want to live on Mars, go to Death valley, or Antarctica. Both places suck, but at least you can leave. And breathe. Mostly.
Reason has nothing to do with it. I saw interviews with people who live in Antarctica because they like it there and will do almost any job just to be there.
I don't need to watch Wiener Schnitzel to know why you can't live on Mars. How about: no air, no water, no food, not enough gravity and high radiation exposure. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more if I thought about it a little longer.
Equipment and resources (water, air, nuclear reactors, food, etc), tools, automation, habitats, and so forth , should be sent to Mars and set-up with robots before humans arrive.
Yeah... not sure what the point is in listening to a guy named Weinersmith, that is literally just a writer. What has he even done? I'd trust Elon tenfold more then this guy, in about anything.
Gentlemen! How was the "New World" settled? Mostly by people who were aware that there were significant risks. Im glad that Elon Musk is around to try. He is pushing forward our civilization much more than anyone else. Even if he doesn't make it, the attempt is worth it.
thanks for the video, acutally made me by the book. thanks for the perspective, i usually have to serach very long to find arguments against mars colonization.
It's obvious that this guy is no where near the level of intelligence that Elon has.. just yet another one in the almost endless line of naysayers that he has proven wrong over the years.. and he is not nearly as funny as he himself thinks he is.
He never says he’s more intelligent than Elon. And what’s the relevance of Zach’s intelligence - is Elon smarter than all the doctors, engineers and scientists Zach interviewed *combined*?
Is the Moon's gravity enough to prevent micro gravity bone loss? with weights, yes it is. That is sufficient reason to have a moon city -- much cheaper to rotate on/off the moon than the larger Earth for those working in space.
The biggest risk for long term life on Mars is really a potential shortage of hydrogen, carbon, and trace elements like phosphorus, magnesium, etc. if those things end up being located on the planet, the rest is really just an engineering problem. You can’t build a Lego city without all the Legos. But if you have enough raw materials, it is just about putting the work in.
Carbon isn't an issue, especially with recent progress in air mining. Nitrogen is rarer but still possible there. Long term I don't expect the rest to be an issue. You can just keep sending Starships full of phosphorus in the short term, while a fleet of 10,000 survey drones search for a local deposit for the long term.
It would be much easier to build a space elevator on Mars than it would be on Earth due to the much lower gravity. This would make it much more cost effective to bring down to Mars raw materials mined from asteroids or moons, and bring humans back-up to Mars orbit.
I cannot get my head around it the moon is roughly 240k miles.mars 140, million miles why not the moon it's more logical then work out further afield. Elon has too much money obviously. Can't see it working to Mars that's a hell of a distance.
The guest totally misunderstood the colonization question and dropped the ball. The point related to whether the Mars colonists would come to the rescue of the Earth country that founded their colony. The questioners contention was that they would not.
Careful. Elon has beaten the odds countless times. I wouldn’t bet against him. And bravo to him for doing it . We absolutely need risk takers who can tell everyone to F off sometimes. That’s how we keep moving forward
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