Right! I swear I had 3-4 separate occasions of being frustrated with myself for not being able to deduce someone's identity when they were unblurred, but then patting myself on the back like a minute later having caught a tiny detail that identifies someone. Such a good game
Something to reassure you that everyone finds and misses different things in this game - I think you're the first person I've seen use the locations in the chapters to find the corpses in the present. It's also not that common that people immediately notice that the sender of the book & watch was aboard the ship
I felt very clever for noticing the framing device of the book sender, but then I also missed some very obvious clues like who the guy in the beanie was - I think he was one of the last people I managed to identify
Took me some time to figure Evans, true. And that people who escaped with him are in Morocco as well (which is only an assumption, by the way, but correct)
I love that this game uses the clothing of characters and the languages they speak, even their dialects and accents, to establish not only their identity but also the specific historical moment it takes place in! Very neat. Also it is hard to see some mistakes, haha, but it makes it sweeter when you figure them out!
Don't feel like you need to apologize for anything mate, I'm sure I speak for the majority of your viewers when I say this is immensely enjoyable to watch. Edit: What a fascinating game. I'm all the poorer for not having played it before.
There's no wrong way to play it I think, just a matter of how your brain proceses it. Enjoying the playthrough! Obsessed with the music, especially from Soldiers of the Sea.
Your deductions are improving, just remember: many clues are subtle. As an aside, I believe the reason they made confirmations in groups of three was to prevent brute forcing the answer when you figured out everything about a fate but one detail.
Any "wrong" answers are just your current understanding. Which is why I love watching LPs of puzzle games like this! Love to watch the gears turn and the aha moments. Which you're great at! You're understanding these scenes and the whole story so fast! Way better understanding than most people I've watched.
Of the Obra Dinn LPs I've looked into (I'd say "watched" but I tend to nope out quick of a lot of them) you're actually the best so far at understanding the game mechanics. Which might sound like I'm damning with faint praise, but a lot of the mechanic elements are pretty arbitrary and/or obtuse, and I've seen a lot of people struggle with them. e.g. the written location clues, understanding when and how you can interact with the book, the reverse linearity of sections, stuff like that. I wouldn't worry about how it's coming across. It's fine. As long as you're getting a fulfilling experience out of it, it's fun to watch.
I hate that the preface segment should be even remotely necessary. But the solutions do tend to seem obvious when you've already played through the whole thing.
Mapo, I've played through this myself and watched others play it. There are lots of ways to approach this game, and lots of levels of comprehension of the game, and I have to say, you are remarkably on top of things. On top of being entertaining of course!
Im very much enjoying this playthrough, you're great at interpreting the visuals of the different scenes! And it's not frustrating because I can tell you are having a great time and fully immersed, and you are missing things only because human brains do that sometimes That said, you did give permisiion to gently laugh at you, so - \*chapter is called "Murder"\* \*guy gets executed because he is accused of murdering a particular *named* person\* \*you go one scene back and see someone get murdered\* "How am I supposed to know who this guy is?" Edit: you do get it later, as I knew you would - the delayed realization is still funny lol
My friend, you have nothing to apologize for. Actually, compared to many other people, your reasoning throughout the game is very consistent and you make deductions quicker than a lot of people I know. All the while making a very entertaining streaming. Keep up the good work!
While watching the first episode, I tried hard not to scream at my monitor when you missed obvious things. But then I remembered I missed a lot of them too.😁
I love puzzle games but ended up taking the exact same approach to this one as you did - first few deaths were easy to figure out and then it just escalated so I went with uncovering all the bodies then worked backwards. Took me a long time but managed to 100% it in the end.
1:45 Mapo no worries from me. I wasn't frustrated as I have never seen this game before. I like its uniqueness and I would probably been all over the place like you were. Carry on sir!
I wouldn't even bother if people told you you were bad at the game or something... I really enjoy what you're doing, because it's very authentic and you take your time. Now let's go for the episodeee
hey i saw the comments were disabled for ep 3, just wanted to say you're doing a great job, everyone plays the game differently, and you found your own way to beat it :) you even found the shoe thing way faster than i did!
How dare you have a different brain from mine!? I haven't played this game, but I've seen a few playthroughs and they ALL differ slightly from one another. How are we supposed to enjoy content when there is a serious lack of UNIFORMITY?? Keep this up and I'll go back to TikTok!
I just played this game with my brother and I don’t think we would’ve beaten it without one another to bounce ideas and theories off of. Which is to say that for doing this on your own, you’re doing great
Don't worry about making a wrong assumption here and there. I've seen A LOT of playthroughs of this game and yours is honestly not frustrating at all. And I did see some REALLY frustrating ones.
People are lying dead: one with the knife in the neck, one with the spear in his chest and another with torn out troat. Mapo: Why are they all just lying down? Ok, this one "points to the guy being stabbed in the neck" must be hugged to death. Laughed literally out loud on this xD Love the playthrough, detective! Keep on. And knowing the answers doesn't make your thought prosses less interesting. This is the good part, mate! Can't wait for the next one.
I thought you were doing just fine in episode 1. There's always going to be people who can't keep their yap shut about what people missed (as if they didn't miss things either the first time.) This whole game is about missing stuff and then coming back later to go "Oohhh, wow, can't believe I didn't notice that!" It's pretty universal.
Like other comments have said this game makes almost everyone feel stupid. Even on my second playthrough (Which I was doing with my friend). My friend pointed out a small item on the wall in one memory and I went "OHHHHHHH! OHHHH MY GOD! OHHHHHHHH!" so hard that he thought I was being sarcastic, like I was making fun of him. But I was 100% serious.
Tbh I think you're doing an excellent job trying to deduce the tragic events on the Obra Dinn. Your methods not at all being out of the ordinary if you'd ask me. I mean it's easily overwhelming, whether you're experienced in solving murder-mysteries or not. Anyway for now it has all been highly entertaining watching you put it together your own way, at your own pace. Whether you interpreted the memories correctly or misunderstood, it doesn't matter that much. That being said you intro was highly appreciated but unnecessary imo. People who can't stay patient without you explicitly asking them to be need to relax and learn to enjoy and respect that this isn't a competition for 'Best Detective' but simply a first, blind and unique player experience.
Mapo giving a disclaimer for playing the game the same way we all (mostly?) did - at least the playthroughs I've seen, all struggled in similar ways and only pieced things together long after seeing all the vignettes.
I'm still in the beginning of the episode so excuse me if you actually find this out later in, but there's an easier way to tell if the body is one you've discovered or not. The watch. If you go up to a new body, it will remain closed until you click to open the watch and examine the memory, but if it's a memory you've already examined the watch opens automatically to show their time of death.
It's because he gives 7 days early access to patreons, and finished it all before the week was over, but also yes he doesn't want neither spoilers or hints for his playthroughs
puzzle games usually make people feel dumb but I assure you that there are a not-insignificant amount of people who enjoy watching people figure things out some of them are called teachers!
This is a very good game and offers an amazing experience. When it comes to puzzle/mystery games there will be moments that will be frustrating. I'm guilty of yelling at my screen and telling you "Paul is right there!" LOL but I'd never call you stupid or say mean things in your comments it's something I would definitely would do in my own in playthrough had i played this instead of watching someone else play it. I genuinely love watching you experience this blindly it's like watching it all over again for the first time :D
This is a fantastic playthrough. I think i got to 21 or 24 solved fates and hit an awful wall, just couldn't figure out anything for ages, looking forward to the rest of this playthrough! One of those games that i wish i could erase from my memory and play again.
Its so interesting how you and so many other streamers I've watched approach this game. We're so trained by AAA detective games (LA noire, sherlock, etc) that all the answers you need are given to you on a platter as highlighted objects, wrtitten down clues and where the game will give you the right answer if you play long enough. This game takes a different approach, its not necessarily a better approach, but its different. The answers you need are not summarised in the book, you're expected to pay attention to the death vignettes and take your own notes, the clues in the scene are not summarised for you. This goes against the grain of game design trends so I think its very understandable that many people have to basically learn how to play this game.
I appreciate you playing the game at all, and while i dont have ADHD, i can only imagine the difficulties this kind of game presents when your brain doesnt want to cooperate. Appreciate you and your thoughtfulness as you go through these games
Your introduction deeply resonated with me, evoking an emotional response and bringing tears to my eyes. It reminded me of a time when I lacked genuine care. Your heartfelt message overflowed with sincere concern, profoundly impacting me and making me feel genuinely cared for. Your ability to extend care to strangers is extraordinary, and it's why I remain dedicated to watching you.
while a very different kind of game, it reminds me a lot of outer wilds that scratches the same itch, in that it’s a true open ended mystery where the progression is entirely knowledge based. really on this, outer wilds and her story have filled that niche for me
Literally the only thing that could make me dislike your approach would be looking things up or trying to bruteforce before making a serious attempt first. You actually ended up bruteforcing the formossans before the game simply named Sia for you, please try to avoid this. I want to see you actually figure things out, or at least investigate, no matter how slow or incorrect it may be. I think once you actually start physically revisiting scenes and taking looks around without the pressure of understanding the plot the game will go much easier, but you've already doing a pretty good job.
Oh man it makes me so sad that you had to make that intro. Pretty sure everybody has missed a few "obvious" details in this game, I know I did when I played it. Good on you for taking negative comments about things of this nature in your stride, but the people making these comments in the first place really need to have a word with themselves. Anywho, another fun Mapocolops playthrough, keep it up!
Honestly, I've watched a couple of playthroughs of this and you're not doing too bad at all! Going through all the chapters quickly to get an idea of the story (and unlocking all pages of the book) then going back methodically is a totally valid play style. What helped me the most in this game is rewatching the chapters in chronological order!
I hope no one has made you feel like you have to apologize for your playthrough because you shouldn’t have to. Everyone plays games differently and watching people work through things their own way is the point of letsplays. The “frustration” should be the fun part not something to harass people over.
people will never be happy unless you do things the way they expect you to, but then again everyone ha different expectations so i guess its a lost battle anyway trying to please whining people. Do your thing, we're here because we like your content
Don't ever feel bad on your performance in any game any adult will understand the tremendous amount of brain power that goes on commentry and entertaining us :))
Map, could you do a tier list series? I know how many games you’ve played it would be awesome especially your unique blind experience with souls games it would be awesome to hear your thoughts and rankings on the games
Just completed this - did it in 11 hours apparently even though it felt like there were moments I was literally just staring at the crew painting for about 4 hours waiting for some sort of epiphany. Some of my guesses I genuinely think were sheer luck - but nothing beats the black screen and "Well done" message... except for maybe having one of notes "rated fine" in Bloodborne :D
It's perfectly fine making mistake in this game. The game doesn't even punish you for making the wrong assumptions other than by halting your progress, because you're always suppose to go back to it later. As someone who has always loved detective stories and by extension detective games, I think this might be the best one because it's also the least "handholdy" of these types of games. It rewards you for your observation and patience, and even encourages you to make educated guesses rather than provide you the whole information all the time and just making it missable.
Your reaction to the crab soldiers was on point with mine! XD Sorry I couldn't follow along like I did with Hollow Knight. I still needed to finish the game myself.
come to think of it, solving this game with a corkboard and red string would probably actually work. There were so many chains of [unknown crewmate] was killed by [other unknown crewmate] who also killed [another unknown crewmate] that I think it would have been better for me to visualize those connections with string than how the book chooses to show information about the movements of one person. Also, can we talk about how cool the creature design for the crab riders are? I want to see these nautical Nazgûl in action, too!
The part I loved about playing this game was discovering a new way of uncovering identities. At first I was trying to identify people based solely on the dialogue (either names or positions), then I started trying to figure things out based on hats and who people were hanging out with in their spare time (like the Russians playing cards). And then I noticed some numbers in one of the memories and linked them to numbers I saw elsewhere. Yeah, it makes you feel dumb sometimes, but then it makes you feel super smart at other times when you make a huge deduction.
I personally LOVE seeing people figuring this game out. And the 'mistakes' people make are really interesting and I think tell something about the people themselves. Also usually the joy on people's face when they sort out some persistent mistakes is the best. Also I dont understand people who come to spoil either the game or the joy of figuring out a game. If you get irritated by other people's thought process, maybe watching a puzzle game isnt for you.
Don't worry about the audience too much m8. How you play is part of why we're here. Playing through all the narrative so you can solve the puzzle of who's who and what happened to them is absolutely correct. You need all the info you can get to have the info to fully solve it. You're not doing it wrong.
Okay. I'm not gonna lie. Watching you jump to conclusions and sticking with them for no particular reason is incredibly frustrating. "Was he eaten?" I mean unless the sword covered in blood right next to the body was hungry I don't think that's it chief. No offense.
I binge-watched this series. I was going to leave this comment on part 3. I'm really, _really_ enjoying the detective paths your brain takes, putting all the dots together. It's like the subconscious workings of your mind palace captured in video form.
@@dandyprime5338 It's his game, he has ADHD, and he is enjoying it the way he plays it. Many watch it to see his journey, not use it as a walkthrough guide. When they don't like what they see, they skip through or close the window. There is backseat gaming, and then there is this kind of behaviour that a few people show assuming it is okay to dictate how others should play their games, with little consideration to keep their tone or message within the boundaries of constructive criticism. In no version of reality that is considered healthy or correct. That you came here to a video that was posted two days ago to pour negativity, about another video that was posted today... It doesn't paint you in the best lights. I understand if you might feel the need to reply - It's the knee-jerk reaction of humanity to become defensive - but please don't. Two comments was enough to show where we stand, and anything more will be minutes of our lives spent on better things than bickering with a stranger over the Internet.
Yeah, the first thirty minutes so far is just him trying to brute force guess everything without actually going back through memories to figure things out the right way. Infuriating. Mapo is better than this. UPDATE: First hour is him still just brute forcing a majority of the identities via guessing and not necessarily knowing WHY someone is who they are. No wonder he turned the comments off on part 3. He knew he'd get so much flak for this. FINAL UPDATE: I finished Part 3. Mapo fundamentally misunderstands or isn't aware of core mechanics, like using the transcript and seeing that the X refers to the person who died. Additionally, he keeps thinking that people are dying in memories where he is seeing them and not where they actually died. He brute forced guessed about 85% of the video and only the last ten to fifteen minutes did he actually solve some fates by using clues and not guessing. That was a ROUGH one and I expected more out of Mapo over him playing the game this way.
@@dandyprime5338 "No wonder he turned the comments off on part 3." So he was successfully bullied by overly critical comments, just like this one. Good job? What's the point of this? Seriously what's the end goal besides trying to feel superior? No one thinks you're clever. Just ruins it for everyone else. This is exactly why I never want to dabble in let's plays. Comments are vicious for no reason.
A little dismayed to see you figure out the identities of a couple of the Formosa people by playing the percentages and process of elimination. Yes, it is a valid way to operate, but playing the 50/50 game ("If I don't get confirmation it's THIS person, then it must be the other person") kind of robs you of legitimately figuring it out later through actual clues. In this particular case if you had just waited and went through some more "memories" it becomes quite clear which person is which. But hey, it IS a hard game, and I did a little of the brute force method myself with some of the harder people at the end. So.... I suppose, "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone" kind of applies.
@1:22::50 _Chioh Tan. Process of elimination_ Excuse me, but that's *absolutely not a Process of Elimination.* but is called *Random Trial & Error.* Process of Elimination is deleting options, one at a time, from a group of options, where the possibility of an option being correct is significantly lower than the other options. It goes this way: It can't be no.1 so we delete it, then can't be no.3 & we delete it, so *eliminating 1 &3 , we conclude (though not guaranteed) that it must be no. 2.*
@1:23:44 _We can identify this person based on the fact that it's just the last one (from Formosa)._ Well done. Now this is correctly the "process of elimination."
Pure guessing (eg Chioh Tan) is always a little disappointing to see, especially when there's a perfectly straightforward way to figure out who they are properly once you see more memories. That said, you're doing pretty great, better than most. And yes, it is entertaining to watch someone sit and try to figure out 60 murders lol
@@Mapocolops No, but when you do my skin starts to crawl. The eating while recording thing seems to happen semi-randomly in your series. IRL I also don't eat near other people the vast majority of the time because of the chewing noise. Nice you found amusement in my neurological quirk, though I suspect the laughter was not meant that way. You seem like a generally good sort, at least from what's shown in your vids. As noted, I'll see if I can maybe continue watching this at a later date. Currently dealing with passive Ideation, so I want to limit any stressors as much as possible.
@@Mapocolops Oh, and I forgot to mention: I do appreciate your reply indicating that you didn't snack the whole video. Once I'm feeling better, I'll give it another go. :) I'm very glad you recorded that one fully before posting, though. Not a game you want backseat gaming or flat out spoilers for!
Damn I don’t think anybody preemptively know they would wake up to then see the things presented like this don’t be so hard on yourself and certainly don’t take on others been like that towards you fuck them what are they going to do 😅😂
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