THUNDER SAGA! Suffering/Different Beast FIRST TIME Reaction/Analysis

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Intro - 0:00
Suffering - 1:30
First-Time Reaction -1:35
Analysis - 3:20
Different Beast - 15:10
First-Time Reaction - 15:14
Analysis - 18:28
Final Thoughts - 25:30

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@CFEntertains 24 дня назад

Watch the ENTIRE UNEDITED Thunder Saga R/A on Patreon RIGHT NOW! www.patreon.com/CFEntertainment

@z0is0i 23 дня назад

I'm glad we finally get to see you react to mermaid hades lol

@JohnDoe-tt5qc 23 дня назад

The image of the Siren pretending to be Penelope actually being Poseidon in a wig is SENDING me

@Viillustrations 23 дня назад

I NEED someone to make that into an animatic so badly xD

@Noveltea1113 23 дня назад

A guy should cover Penelope’s lines in a falsetto. The perfect sequel to the surprise birthday for Telemachus spoof 😂😂

@somedudewatchintv5297 23 дня назад

Singing Poseidon, a bit longer than Wet Hades.

@IvanIsYda_ 23 дня назад

Time to make fanart-

@Two_Faced_Yanzhik 23 дня назад

Female Wet Hades

@Viillustrations 23 дня назад

Siren: "So jump in the water and KISS me!" Casper: "It's Poseidon!" Idk the thought of Poseidon, pretending to be someone else or not, asking Ody to kiss him is just so funny to me Edit1: Also Flashy Hades Saga yay :D Edit2: Also, can we all just agree to make Posiren a staying meme in the EPIC fandom? Like wet Hades

@emerson4140 20 дней назад

**imagine if this is what happened** Poseidon (wearing a wig): Come kiss me, I’m totally your wife! Odysseus: (leans down) Poseidon: HAHA! (Grabs Odysseus and drowns him) dumbass

@heatherlikesmusicals8018 20 дней назад

enemies to lovers ig

@theblackgreninja2237 8 дней назад

@@heatherlikesmusicals8018or maybe enemies AND lovers

@marijnyboy8402 23 дня назад

Fun fan theory: the reason why siren penelope says "come play with our daughter" and not "come play with our son" is because there are only female sirens and they had a tiny siren play the girl.

@SleepyHollowKnight 23 дня назад

Aw fuck a baby siren died?!

@saddlebag 23 дня назад

@@SleepyHollowKnightThey said it was a fan theory, but it’s hypothetically possible?

@SleepyHollowKnight 23 дня назад

@@saddlebag oh

@ciomaria6137 23 дня назад

What a great theory.

@squidcoffee 23 дня назад

@@SleepyHollowKnighti mean tbf odysseus DID say “if i gotta drop another infant from a wall in an instant so we all don’t die, then i’ll become the monster” so it’s not too far-fetched that he’d be capable of doing that

@stomper8056 23 дня назад

"He will chase you high and low, so find a place he'll never go, the place where you must go..." Has the same beat as... "He will burn your house and throne, He'll find you wherever you go, The gods will make him know..."

@squidcoffee 23 дня назад

THANK YOU!!!! i’ve been ripping my hair out trying to figure out why it was so familiar tysm

@not_actually_a_jellybean 23 дня назад

I thought I was imagining that that part sounded so familiar 😅 glad to have it confirmed!

@khurtandrei4142 23 дня назад

EXACTLY! I remember constantly mixing the lyrics while im singing from memory and i knew it wasn't just a coincidence

@mickmash13 4 часа назад

Was trying to find this comment! I knew it was familiar

@fatema7-l4m 23 дня назад

Poseidon in the thunder saga✅ Hades in the ocean saga✅ Poseidon in the ocean saga❌ -Casper apparently

@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 11 дней назад

Unfortunately he didn't guess that Zeus would appear in the Underworld Saga.

@scorpioblueeyes7388 23 дня назад

The reason the danger motif doesn’t show up in Suffering is that, for once, Odysseus and the crew are in NO danger. No, in fact, they ARE the danger, different beasts and all.

@CFEntertains 23 дня назад

Jorge calls it the “danger is near” motif - wouldn’t it still make sense to have it play since THEY are now the danger? 🤷‍♂️🫶

@michellewest4796 23 дня назад

@CFEntertains it'd be like having a blade that glows when orcs are near and giving it to orcs. At that point it's new title would be "glowing sword" Danger motif is danger to the crew not from the crew.

@pocketfullofbees7071 23 дня назад

I believe it’s actually only danger to Odysseus, isn’t it? (SCYLLA SPOILERS AFTER THIS LINE) I don’t think we hear it at all in relation to Scylla (could be wrong!) and I intercepted that to be because Odysseus was never in any danger from her, because they are the same and yada yada yada

@DracoCragore 23 дня назад

@@pocketfullofbees7071The danger motif is apparently present in Scylla !! It's just a bit hard to catch You can hear it when the fiddle starts playing very wildly. Like that sudden change up after Scylla says "Hello" I had to listen to it over and over again to actually notice it. It's basically just the highest note from each measure played by the fiddle

@mrmatrixmusicman8787 23 дня назад

@@DracoCragorei know it’s not a big deal, but technically it’s a violin. They’re “the same instrument”, but it’s about the genre. a fiddle is much more bluegrass and country.

@akaittou 23 дня назад

"If he prefers his feet on the ground why did he become a captain in the navy" 😂 He is the king of an island nation, who was duty-bound to join the Trojan war (by gods did he try to avoid it, feigned insanity and everything so he could be home instead and watch his son grow, but the gods willed otherwise), so... sailing happens.

@jungletherainwing1471 23 дня назад

Don’t forget Agamemnon threatened baby Telemachus with a dagger to foil Odysseus’s craziness scheme. From my perspective Odysseus’s worst antagonist isn’t Poseidon, its the Son of Atreus

@julianitama468 23 дня назад

@@jungletherainwing1471 nah, Agamemnon was just enforcing treaty obligations that Odysseus himself came up with in the first place. Arguably no one would’ve shown up for the Trojan war if odysseus hadn’t formed a damn NATO alliance around Helen’s marriage. The real Takeaway of the Homeric epics should be that Paris can go fuck himself and his dumb fucking eyesocket. No I don’t irrationally hate Paris because my parents almost named me after him, why do you ask?

@garethmorton5620 22 дня назад

@@jungletherainwing1471pretty sure that wasn't Agamemnon, but a different guy that Odysseus actually framed for treason (with the help of Diomedes) during the Trojan war, and had executed as revenge for threatening his son.

@makistrexas1922 16 дней назад

@@garethmorton5620 Yeah, the guy was Palamedes and basically was a more op Odysseus. When he went to Ithaca to collect him, Ody pretended to be a crazy servant tending the fields. So palamedes took telemachus and placed him in front of the animals that he was using, forcing Odysseus to stop the act and save his son. During the war Palamedes managed to convince the king of thrace to send food to the greeks, something that Odysseus had previously failed. This, among other things, made Odysseus jealous so while palamedes was away Odysseus captured a trojan soldier, buried a bag of coin infront of palamedes' tent and made the prisoner falsely confess that palamedes was working for the trojans. When Palamedes returned, he was executed for treason

@hyouyukii 23 дня назад

Welcome everybody, in this video we have - Posiren - 20+ minutes of Casper definitely having a crush on Poseidon at this point - ..bees? - “Jump in the water and kiss me ” - apparently Poseidon to Odysseus - sushi saga

@CFEntertains 23 дня назад

this took me out omg

@ezracohen6020 23 дня назад

@@CFEntertains basically, you’re a prophet about everything except Poseidon, first we got wet Hades instead of Poseidon and now Poseidon instead of sirens

@fatema7-l4m 23 дня назад

Didn’t know Poseidon had a crush on Odysseus?🧐

@beffymcbefferson74 23 дня назад

@@fatema7-l4mhe just doesn’t know how to express it so he takes it out on Odysseus like a school boy. Hitting and throwing rocks and drowning all of his men 😌

@sydneyhobbs9817 23 дня назад

Posundere 🔱uwu

@LilacRose-rp8vw 23 дня назад

So we have Wet Hades and now Posiren! 😂

@MrSmile078 23 дня назад

In Casper’s defense in Greek mythology sirens aren’t sea creatures, but are in this are more akin to mermaids so if go by Ancient Greek rules Poseidon makes sense.

@LilacRose-rp8vw 23 дня назад

@@MrSmile078 Oh yeah, I was mostly talking about the funny names! Now I really wanna draw a Posiren based character… Damn creativity!

@ParsureArts 23 дня назад

POSIREN-

@clesilver220 10 дней назад

@@MrSmile078 well yes but they do live at sea/small islands/reefs

@ATHENAAAAA-A 24 дня назад

Conclusion 1: Odysseus cannot count Conclusion 2: He's been away from for about 12 years or so.

@voidfloof 23 дня назад

Someone did the math on it under Jorge's "12 Long Years" video: 12 years was actually pretty accurate

@big3fanboy19 23 дня назад

@@voidfloof wasn't the war around 10 years then a couple more with the odyessy wacky adventure. Wouldn't be close to like 15years?

@columba_lyrics 23 дня назад

@@big3fanboy19 No, because he spend 7 years with Calypso, so 12 year seems quite accurate

@big3fanboy19 23 дня назад

@@columba_lyrics wait but the trojan war took around 10 years forgot about calypso 12 years 10+12=22years.

@columba_lyrics 23 дня назад

@@big3fanboy19 No, the Trojan War is apart. Yes, it lasted 10 years, but the return of Ulysses also lasted 10 years. In total, he was away from home for 20 years. When he says it's been 12 years, he means 10 years during the war + 2 years (at Circé especially in the original version)

@sureindubitably3771 23 дня назад

Casper: No, that's..... Me: The sirens? yea we kno- Casper: P O S E I D O N

@RayetheAmazing 23 дня назад

Oooooh so it all connects! Siren song = I see a song of past romance Scylla Throat = I see the sacrifice of man Mutiny = I see portrayals of betrayal Lighting Bolt = And a brother's final stand

@TR5_BLOX 23 дня назад

I thought the lightning bolt was gonna be "I see u on the brink of death, I see u draw ur final breath" considering the animatic on the live stream

@alexandralugo1743 13 дней назад

I think his "final breath" is him drowning before Calypso saved him.

@TR5_BLOX 13 дней назад

@@alexandralugo1743 yeee, that would make sense

@hindymarkowitz1340 24 дня назад

It is my headcannon that Odysseus is always so busy being cunning and clever that he just can't calculate things in the calendar. He doesn't have the headspace for it. Even when he's not at sea, he's generally just not a calendar person. "We've been away from home for... hmm. Twelve years? I guess?" LOL

@kenzieabner-gl5po 24 дня назад

@hindymarkowitz1340 Odysseus at his palace being like “wow i can’t believe it’s been 22 years!” Penelope: Boy… 🤨 Telemachus: i think we should get him a calendar for a welcome home gift 🤪

@your.setting.sun44 23 дня назад

YES! I love this headcanon so much:D

@zephyrbreezus1354 23 дня назад

If you listen to the relationship between the vocals and the backing it suggests there’s a syllable missing. I think jorge originally wrote it as like 13 years or so but changed it after the Circe saga

@LyrictheFilthyCasual 23 дня назад

Polites was keeping up with the calendar so he could remember everyone's birthdays.

@hlianaa_q 23 дня назад

I love the fact that you pronounced Scylla the Greek way and then called her a "sea b*tch" because Scylla in Greek literally means b*tch lol

@maisathedragonartist3364 10 дней назад

Wait.... her name really means that???

@Fruity_one 24 дня назад

The fact that, even if you and Mortius are reacting separatly, you somehow managed to put your reactions on the same day and one after the other😂 Can't wait for it!

@CFEntertains 24 дня назад

That is 100% on purpose! We will still chain-react to keep that collaborative element alive, but we are doing the reactions themselves separately ! ❤️

@Fruity_one 24 дня назад

@@CFEntertains That's honestly a good deal, we still jump from one premiere to another like normally. It would've been interesting to see you react to it together for the first time, but it's fair to wait for the animatics- WHICH! Are coming out SUPPER. QUICKLY! The Epic fandom waist no time!

@KIFLO 22 дня назад

1:50 "Then drop in the water and kiss me" CF :"Nah, hm hm, it's poseidon" *Me imagining the situation* Poseidon in a dress "Come give me a smooch"

@crystalkatsuka 24 дня назад

First we ✨ slayed ✨ in our own war 💅

@passerbytanuki2456 23 дня назад

The ✨slayed✨ always gets me 😭💀

@pocketfullofbees7071 23 дня назад

Odyse-yassss

@sydneyhobbs9817 23 дня назад

Get home to your ✨Queen ✨👑🙏🙏🙏

@GleamDrawz 23 дня назад

But now we’ll be the ones who SLAY 💅

@silverstar263 17 дней назад

@@pocketfullofbees7071odesy-yass TOOK ME OUT OMG😂😂

@aadityayanamandra8846 23 дня назад

Funny thing, Casper, you'll notice the LACK of a Penelope motif or instrument in Suffering (aside form the beginning, which kinda resembles the motif I guess). This is intentional. The sirens are failing to convincingly imitate Penelope.

@Dani_77709 19 дней назад

Exactly. The distortion at the beginning also can be interpreted as the sirens trying to get Penelopes voice just right.

@aadityayanamandra8846 19 дней назад

@@Dani_77709 Funny thing; the sirens' Penelope motif is a note off, but the real weirdness is that it's so synth-y. In EPIC, mortal music isn't electrical or synthetic. This is another clue that supernatural entities are trying to co-opt Penelope's theme.

@alexiesrivera8472 23 дня назад

Don't know if anyone already said this. But The start of suffering is the only time we hear Penelope's name sung in that familiar melody without that accompanying viola. Which I think is Jorge telling us through music that this Penelope is fake. It's almost familiar, hitting a similar vibe, but still foreign or missing that element. Which I think is an amazing little detail.

@daughteroftheking8038 23 дня назад

Get in the water .... Get in the water ....

@Noveltea1113 23 дня назад

I’ll make tidal waves so profound…

@triciamitchell7585 23 дня назад

All of Ithaca will drown….

@jmitsitsiyo9354 23 дня назад

Lol it comes with the "vengeance" 😂😂😂 the prophet is doing prophet things

@qinxuanlee6496 23 дня назад

@@triciamitchell7585 Get in the water... Get in the water...

@cora5403 23 дня назад

21:47 - If anyone is wandering about the beeswax thing, i looked it up. In ancient greece it was used for writing tablets ,but it could be there for wood preserwation (the ship is made of wood afterall), and due to the fact that we know archers were a part of the crew (Odysseus was also an archer, but from what I remember he left his bow at home), they could have been using it for the bow's strings (wax ptortects the string from wear and tear, i think). Do take this with a grain of salt as I am not an expert lol. Edit: Okay, nevermind - according to an article I found, they got it from Circe as a gift

@deamoninyourdreams7612 23 дня назад

What we found out this video: Jesus angered Wet Hades, talkes to Posiren about going to Skilla.

@kirryn7023 15 дней назад

I mean in his defense, that's the actual greek way of pronouncing Scylla

@MarinaXLovely 24 дня назад

I 100% believe that Polities was in charge of the calendar (he kept track of everyone’s birthdays). Once he was gone everyone just started guessing the date, including Odysseus.

@justyouraveragenerd5152 23 дня назад

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a danger motif because Odysseus and his crew weren't in any danger, as they said "you are a threat no longer"

@fiaghost4759 23 дня назад

the melody that plays when Scylla is introduced is Circe's theme. in mythology, Scylla and Circe have a history (no, not of that kind unfortunately)

@MM4TuT 23 дня назад

"I remember actions of passion, I have been in love once before"

@columba_lyrics 23 дня назад

@@MM4TuTactually that's kind of linked because Circe transformed Scylla because of this man she loved so...

@MM4TuT 23 дня назад

@@columba_lyrics I learnd about it after listening to the song 'Scylla' for the first time because I didn't know anything about her, but Circes lyric only clicked for me today :)

@madelinebetz4205 23 дня назад

If you listen to the lyrics in Scylla, it also basically confirms her history with Circe too. Every single line she sings has a double meaning applying to both Odysseus and herself, revealing her backstory. In the beginning of the song, she sings about feelings of shame, being betrayed and losing bonds, like when Circe betrayed her and turned her into a monster, tearing her away from her old life. And the chorus is about her own transformation in the bathing pool: "Drown in your sorrows and fears / Choke on your blood and your tears / Bleed til you've run out of years ... Give up your honor and faith / Live up your life as a wraith / Die in the blood where you bathe". I love the song and how it paints Odysseus and Scylla as similar because they both were unwillingly turned into monsters but willingly embraced their newfound natures in order to "do what it takes to survive".

@TheRandomblah99 23 дня назад

I love that he caught on to Penelope's instrument (which is a viola) not being present. BECAUSE IT ISN'T PENELOPE!!!

@IcecreamCat23 23 дня назад

19:42 FUN FACT! The lyric here is slightly different than before! Before it was (He/We) (is/are) the man made monster Now it’s: (He/We) (is/are) the man-made monster There’s a hyphen now! Which means grammatically, the men are now talking about how Odysseus man-made himself into a monster unlike before where they were just saying they’ve turned into monsters.

@nikpopnanime 23 дня назад

WAIT I DIDNT KNOW THAT OMG

@IcecreamCat23 23 дня назад

@@nikpopnanime RIGHT? You only know if you look at the lyrics.

@yieshyeah 3 дня назад

holy crap

@Oleandra-13 23 дня назад

The Greeks didn't make the usual sacrifice to Poseidon before embarking back to Ithaca, despite all the disrespect they did to him and his followers during the war itself.

@anniefemmas5097 23 дня назад

But what they did do was disrespect him by using HIS symbols and pretending that the horse was a gift to HIS temple.

@amyhurst3629 23 дня назад

Re’ beeswax - It was widely used in Ancient Greece, often for cosmetics, writing and artwork, but also in lighting, medicine and wound treatment, plus treatment of materials such as leather, much like olive oil was. It can also be used to coat bowstrings. So it’s very much something that soldiers and sailors might have carried.

@cosmicbreath 23 дня назад

In the original Odyssey, Circe gives them provisions when they leave her island, so maybe that’s where they got the beeswax from?

@izzy5880 23 дня назад

Circe is also the one that tells Odysseus to give the men beeswax and to have them tie him to the mast so this seems plausible

@dannyarcana0017 23 дня назад

Casper, Ithaca is an island. Completely surrounded by water. I'm sure he would have wanted to walk ig he wanted, but Ody's sadly not Jesus lol

@Azziyaisalwaysonline 23 дня назад

Ok so remember the “Monster motif” you pointed out with Mortius? Hmmm, I wonder what the crew sings in the background at the end of Different Beast…

@Starkid414 23 дня назад

THIS! They also sing it during Remember Them when they attack Polyphemus

@ezracohen6020 23 дня назад

@@Starkid414 oh no way, I’m not very good at picking up when the actual motifs are happening unless it’s a one to one thing (and even then sometimes I miss them), so I guessed that the monster motif was probably in this one, but I had no idea that it was in the songs before the underworld saga

@Yourlocalmarket6 24 дня назад

Wet hades left time for sky hades

@ShyyGaladriel 23 дня назад

Light Hades as opposed to Dark Zeus (one of Hades epithets)

@iNSaNiTY_714 23 дня назад

Odysseus shoots the siren with his bow! And the sound that was made when he called her a siren was her hissing at him. Also, super off topic, but World of Warcraft reference???? City of Orgrimmar?? And Singing Hades.

@HelloThere-.- 23 дня назад

Odysseus: How do I get back to my island? Siren: To evade Posaidon you will have to travel to places he avoids - thankfully now with *Skilla* you can find hundreds of ways for the very low cost

@Blue_Marker1 22 дня назад

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@lukegsgacha2073 24 дня назад

THE FREAKING 12 YEARS!

@rhov-anion 23 дня назад

Canonically correct according to the Odyssey. It just isn't that clear in the lyrics so it jolts people. But it's canon accurate.

@DetectiveWraith 21 день назад

@@rhov-anionnah, the war took 10 years, they haven’t been at sea for 2 years.

@riocoatl 23 дня назад

POSIREN GANG rise up

@kadan8457 23 дня назад

When the Seiren sings “He will find you wherever you go” is an exact copy of Zeus from The Horse and The Infant

@jurassicfreak2579 15 дней назад

The siren says "He will chase you high and low"

@kadan8457 15 дней назад

@@jurassicfreak2579 right sorry, he will chase you high and low, so find some place he’ll never go, that entire line is almost an exact from The Horse and The infant

@skyephoenix801 24 дня назад

I love how Jorge is just owning it now. Let's just say the Iphigenia and preparations for the war took 1-2yrs in Jorge's EPIC.

@draeonic 23 дня назад

Nah it was just a really long stooOooOrm

@skyephoenix801 23 дня назад

@@draeonic Or they really did hang out with Circe before going to the Underworld 😊

@your.setting.sun44 23 дня назад

I like to think that Ody is just incredibly bad with time and numbers, it’s the funniest interpretation:D (the time in the sea may feel differently, of course, but not “two additional years” differently lmao)

@SantosoWijaya 23 дня назад

@@skyephoenix801In the source material the crew did stay in Aeaea (Circe’s island) for at least a whole year.

@draeonic 23 дня назад

@@skyephoenix801 Yeah but not before he was unloading on her about it having been twelve long years

@TheGraeyRebis 22 дня назад

So here's something that's worth noting: Different Beast follows the same story structure as Polyphemus and Survive. It starts with the knock of an arrow. A sudden reveal of a greater threat. The ones being threatened plea for mercy. And then those pleas being answered with murder under the pretense of justice.

@scorpioblueeyes7388 23 дня назад

First we had Wet Hades, now we have the Posirens. Sweet.

@draeonic 24 дня назад

We've been away from home for twelve (citation needed) years

@michellewest4796 23 дня назад

Twelve mumblemumble something years

@rhov-anion 23 дня назад

Citation: Homer. The Odyssey. Translated by Robert Fagles, Viking, 1996. Year 1: pirating around the Mediterranean, Cyclopes Year 2: the storm, Circe Year 3: leaving Circe, monsters, cows, Calypso Year 3-10: Calypso music intensifies I'm sorry, I'm new to the fandom, but why is everyone so weirded out about "12 years"? I'm confused why it's a meme. It's accurate, so I'm confused.

@Hunnycaramel 23 дня назад

@@rhov-anion Canonically, in Epic, at this point it’s supposed to have been more like 10 years since Odysseus and his crew left Ithaca, fought at Troy and then started to sail home. However, in the song ”Other ways” in the Circe saga, Odysseus says that they have been gone twelve long years, and Jorge has said himself that he made a mistake about how long time it’s been. The fandom mostly makes a lighthearted joke about it, like Odysseus not having a calendar or just feeling like it’s been longer than it really has.

@margaretconnor5623 23 дня назад

It’s because Jorge miscounted in the Circe saga and said 12 years when it hadn’t been 12 years yet. So he included “12 years or so” here as an Easter egg to his mistake and it’s become canon that Odysseus sucks at counting. That’s why we’re freaking out about “12 years or so”. It’s a callback to him misremembering the year count when he wrote the Circe saga

@margaretconnor5623 23 дня назад

@@rhov-anionso when Odysseus first reaches Circes island, it’s been about a year since the Trojan War. As it was towards the beginning of year 2 of the journey. So it would’ve been 11 years give or take a month or so, since he’d last been home. But Jorge messed up and said 12 years. It was 12 years when he left Circes island, not when he arrived. Jorge got that wrong and didn’t realize until fans asked what he meant by 12 years since they’d just gotten to the island. So Jorge saying “12 years or so” is a little fix it/Easter egg to his miscounting

@kleberianKk 23 дня назад

The reason that i think the "Danger is near" motif don't play on suffering, It's because of the fact that oddyseus said himself, that HE ALREADY KNEW that there were sirens in the area, and they had bee wax in their ears, preventing them from falling into their song. In other words, they knew what was happening, and just let the sirens to attract them to get information, he had everything under control, he was just waiting to get the information he needed, so then he could go different beast mode lol Great video as always! ❤⚡

@Sacheelm 24 дня назад

At this point, with the number of Jorge's creative liberties, I just accept that between Cyclops and Ocean, there were 2 years, possibly due to posiedon trying to stop him. Edit: what I should say is that I mean 2 years since the end of the Trojan War during Ocean. Then they crash land at Aeaea, circe's island. Then maybe a month until Thunder. This dose go against the year spent at Aeaea in the Odyssey, but maybe Odysseus was actually trying to get home ASAP

@aadityayanamandra8846 23 дня назад

Actually, this is canon in the Odyssey! They spend a year on Circe's island, and presumably a year sailing in and out of the underworld. It HAS actually been twelve years.

@SantosoWijaya 23 дня назад

@@aadityayanamandra8846 And it wasn’t like Aeaea, the Lotus eaters, and the cyclops cave were all just a day sailing away from Troy and from each other.

@ezracohen6020 23 дня назад

I think it’s a lot easier to put the extra time in full speed ahead than anywhere else, but I guess between cyclops and ocean could work as well, either way, we’re cutting out two years of mostly travel time

@rainestar6781 23 дня назад

@@ezracohen6020The cyclops saga ends with them leaving Polyphemus's cave, storm saga starts as they're about to reach home the first time. "Our home's in sight/This storm's our final fight!" Which means their entire first journey home was apparently uneventful besides the cyclops fiasco until Poseidon came in to fuck shit up. Fun to think about just how much trouble came out of Ody not being capable of not doxxing himself.

@rhov-anion 23 дня назад

@@SantosoWijaya Canonically, it took a year to reach Sicily and the Cyclopes, then a year from Polyphemus' cave to Circe, a year with Circe, and then... um... spoiler... seven years blah blah if you know you know so 3 years total sailing lost

@bagszi 23 дня назад

Wet Hades and the PoSirens is a good band name :D

@DCTurtleTrekki777 23 дня назад

YES!!!! FINALLY SOMEONE ASKS WHERE THE HECK THEY GOT BEESWAX 😂🎉

@jurassicfreak2579 15 дней назад

They got it from Circe. And even if that weren't the case, having beeswax on the ship would make sense because of how useful it is

@TravellerYanii 23 дня назад

*We sing in unison* POSIREN! POSIREN! POSIREN! POSIREN! 🎵🌊🔱

@austinludvigson9875 23 дня назад

Posiren X Wet hades is REAL!

@juandavidalvarado3361 22 дня назад

The part when the siren sings: "He will chase you down and low" reminds me to the same melody of the song "The horse and the infant" when Zeus sings "The gods will make him know, this is the will of the gods". I don't know, I just find that interesting.

@BlueCookies1116 23 дня назад

"Mmm-mmm. No it's poseidon." POOKIE WTF- WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE IMAGE OF POSEIDON SITTING ON A ROCK WEARING A WIG IN MY MIND AHHHHHHHHH😭😭

@Scouting1212 23 дня назад

Posiren strikes

@IamWalkingDead1 23 дня назад

Everytime you swear I am expecting Odysseus' "What?" From puppeteer lol Loved the reaction mate! Can't wait to see the Scylla, Mutiny, and Thunderbringer reactions!

@thesilvereyes4987 23 дня назад

"SELL THESE HOUSES TO WHO BEN, FUCKING WET HADES?" 😂

@A_literal_zombie 23 дня назад

For the problem of walking, Ithaca is on an island

@EclipticChaos. 21 день назад

1) Posiedon isnt necessarily scared of Scylla, but the monster near Scylla was turned into a monster due to a conflict between him and Zues. Probably a lot of guilt and reluctance to see her. 2)Troy was in Modern day Turkey, getting there from Greece by foot is not impossible, but nearly so, especially with an army. Not to mention the political issues with marching said army across several empires and countries.

@FieryfrostbiteCH 23 дня назад

⚡️ THUNDER SAGA HYPE

@FieryfrostbiteCH 23 дня назад

Yippee

@SuperSonicBlur 23 дня назад

13:27 Well Ithica is an island so you can't avoid water entirely. the BEST you could do would be going from Kyllini and then across to Skala on Kefalonia then up to around Tselendata to take a VERY quite trip over to the island of Ithica. Kep in mind that all the traveling TO troy was done by boat so they wouldn't have the things needed to travel across land easily

@elijahquipse5879 24 дня назад

YES!! Different Beast Is my new favorite! Can’t wait

@ezracohen6020 23 дня назад

It’s not my favorite, but I think it does exactly what it sets out to do amazingly, it explains the confusion of suffering (I figured sirens pretty quickly, but if you don’t figure that out different beast is really necessary for that), and it shows how Odysseus has become the monster (rawr rawr rawr), and the way they show it with the sirens is really cool because his decision is ultimately right to kill the sirens, but the way it is made and the way he kills them shows him being a monster, and then as we go on through the saga we get him making choices that are harder and harder to justify, killing the Sirens who absolutely would not spare him or any other sailor, yeah I can get behind that, an active sacrifice of six of the crew members so that the rest can all survive, harder to justify but sensible if looked at the right way, sacrificing the entire crew so he can get home is almost entirely unjustifiable from an outside position but from the perspective of him being a monster, the choice makes sense

@Valentinna-uk8ff 23 дня назад

I feel like the sirens would offer Casper to bring back polites to take his suffering

@conradoccaminha 21 день назад

Answering your questions: 1 - Ithaca, Odisseus' home is an Island (that is mentioned quickly before in the musical) so you can't just ride or walk there. 2 - About fishing: I know that's not common knowledge today but in antiquity people would know... Yes, you can an often do fish during your travel to resupply with food but you can't just live out of fish. In a years long you'd need vitamins and nutrients that you can't get from fish. You need fruit, vegetables, meat. Entire crews of sailors would die at sea from sickness when they started to run out on it. It was one of the gratest dangers during the exploration of the Atlantic. So, yeah, supplies doesn't mean just food... Well, mostly it does, but you need different kinds of food.

@someoneold5426 23 дня назад

Bees wax was commonly used to help make old wooden ships water tight, keeping a small supply to maintain the ship was common…

@diplexmeteor4535 23 дня назад

Fun facts: around this time Odysseus actually has been away for about 12 years. He stays on Circe’s island for a year either before the underworld saga or before this saga. Scylla is said in some stories to be Poseidon’s ex turned into a monster by Poseidon’s wife

@komerverrinder7812 23 дня назад

The sounds at 19:28 im pretty sure is meant to be the siren he is talking to hissing at him after the reveal.

@PGFTW00 17 дней назад

"I know underwater there are packs of you hiding... Yeah I know exactly what you are - Poseidon"

@agatha6999 22 дня назад

"Don't do it, it's Poseidon" Help Im now picturing Poseidon in a Penelope costume (Gigi's design)

@jungletherainwing1471 23 дня назад

I think it should be noted that Odysseus didn’t exactly sign up to be a captain in the navy. He is the king of Ithica, an island nation. As such you could imagine its military is rather… naval. In addition, the reason any of this happened was because Odysseus was part of the mutual protection pact thing that all of Helen’s suitors joined to protect people from getting jealous of whoever she married. And Odysseus even actively tried to prevent having to sail over to Troy (and as a consequence, going through the Odyssey) but his tricks were foiled when Agamemnon threatened Telemachus’s life. So it could’ve been possible that Odysseus became a naval captain while being scared of the water, it just isn’t the case

@Lala14-zo5cw 15 дней назад

I dont know if anyone has commented this yet, but when the siren sings "This is your only way home, the lair of Scylla," Circe's theme is playing on piano in the background. This is hinting to the original Greek myth of Scylla. Scylla was originally a nymph on Circe's island, and everything started when the hero Glaucus arrived. They both fell in love with him, but Glaucus liked Scylla more than Circe. So Circe got jealous and poured a potion into the sea where Scylla was bathing, truning her into the monster she is now. I thought it was a subtle but clever nod to the myth so i wanted to share it with you guys.

@fatema7-l4m 23 дня назад

17:30 the transition from being sad to terrified and shocked from Odysseus on his face😭 Odysseus wasn’t really joking when he said he’ll become a monster😭

@margaretconnor5623 23 дня назад

So they cannot walk home as you suggested. Ithaca, Odysseus’ kingdom, is an island. So while he could theoretically make some of the journey on the mainland, he’d still have to go through the sea to make it home

@altarudragonspirit4016 23 дня назад

I love the EPIC trio: Mr. The Odyssey, Politics, and Yuri Lowenthal

@erick48104 11 дней назад

I NEED an animatic where Poseidon is wearing a cheap short wig on top of his long hair, muscular chest with starfish and laying on top of a rock singing. PLEASE! 😂

@cosmicbreath 23 дня назад

Unfortunately for Odysseus, Ithaca is an island, so alas, no walking~

@casperclysm 23 дня назад

a lovely "back and forth between penelope and jorge" 😂

@GhostiePlaysOvw 23 дня назад

I did mention it at around the end of the stream; but I'm curious about your thoughts: is Odyssey's "Kill them all!" lines not in the same tune as Athena's last bit of My Goodbye?

@ysabellarivera8166 23 дня назад

For the beeswax question, i think they already had the stuff in stock bc its pretty important for maintainance. They probably melted beeswax into different cloths making them waterproof, hell, maybe even doing that to the sails. (Pls do furthur research, i just know of the use of beeswax for cloths and food preservation, and maybe thread too)

@amyhurst3629 23 дня назад

Relevant to this song - It’s also used to coat bowstrings!

@amandahibbs3690 7 дней назад

The Oh No always sends me. It was the tone i used when i used to work customer service and had a difficult one

@peterjones6810 23 дня назад

I enjoyed seeing Casper do the exact same thing my friend did, assuming “Penelope” was

@your.setting.sun44 23 дня назад

Thank you for the video, the thunder saga has definitely been one of my favourites and listening to your thoughts is always insightful and entertaining

@SIMPLY_GJ 21 день назад

BAHAHHAHAHA YOUR REACTION AT "LET THEM DROWN" 💀 I LOVE IT!! 😭✨️

@animecraze556 23 дня назад

hey casper, when you and mortius eventually react to the animatics, I recommend, specifcally for the song Thunder Bringer, the 2 of you react to the amazing Neal Illustrator. Their interpretation of that song has been the most unique take on the song that I've seen. Anyway, lets go, new duo channel!

@PeterWijgers-f1w 8 дней назад

So... not sure if anyone said it already, but... Ithaca is an island... so walk is not an option. And... Poseidon is also the god responsible for earthquakes, so I'm not sure you're entirely safe on land.

@CFEntertains 7 дней назад

good point

@seeminglyseph 23 дня назад

I’m pretty sure I can hear something that’s supposed to be arrows in the background of Suffering, especially when Odysseus is asking about a route to take? I’m obsessed with what you and Mortius will discuss when you come back together having thought about it more. Love your opinions on Epic. Watching your reactions made me a fan, and now I feel like I’m in the deep end without floaties lmao

@grace8804 23 дня назад

I didn't know you live in the Czech republic, that's where i live too! Also great reaction as always! 🎉

@pointlesslyrelevant1054 22 дня назад

Best country

@alonsoferreyra8704 23 дня назад

Idk if you noticed, but the final choir of the crew, that Ohhhohohohoh, is the same melody of the beggining of Monster

@KevinFlowersJr 17 дней назад

4:47 to be fair, Jay went on record saying the siren song got "cut" and he couldn't find a way for the sirens to be in the musical (which was likely an intentional lie to make the shock factor that much better)

@sahandriel 23 дня назад

So I don't see anything about the walking home comment, if I missed it sorry. but two things to keep in mind Ithaca is an Island, second here are the Geo Coords for where Troy was : 39°57′27″N 26°14′20″E. This walk would have been years by itself instead of a 6 month boat ride.

@owlishwillow7242 23 дня назад

Full screen Casper epic reaction letssssssss goooo

@jordanhayward7283 22 дня назад

Personally I love how in Different Beast the chorus originally starts with We are a different beast, but after Odysseus tells them to let the sirens drown it changes to He and the crew sounds more fearful and cautious of him which is a great lead up to Mutiny

@FriendlyCelestial 8 дней назад

11:29 I know this timestamp is a couple seconds ahead from the topic of the danger motif but, when you go into the second song, it's almost like they can't hear the danger because the crew and Ody have beeswax in their ears

@elieli2893 11 дней назад

About the question if it would be possible to just walk back home instead, the first obstacle would be that 600 miles by sea quickly turn double when on land, and travel back then would have taken years anyway, probably - and secondly, Ithaca is unfortunately an island :'D And a real island too, actually, you can probably go there for a vacation xD

@ultima1594 23 дня назад

I think the reason the Danger motif doesn’t show up in these songs is because Odysseus is not in any danger in this situation and is fully confident in his ability to win. The sirens aren’t a threat and thus there is no danger nearby.

@thavis3116 23 дня назад

Hey ! For your question about "can he just walk" you have to know that at this time period, we are talking about a "Greater Greece" concept ( Magnia Gracia ). What does that mean ? It mean that greece isnt what it is today. You can find greek city all around the sea ( sorry idk how to write the name in english lol. Méditerranée in french ). From spain to the west coast of today's turkey. Scylla's lair is located in the bay of Messina, between sicily and the italian boot. All of that to say he couldn't walk from here to ithaca. That plus the fact that Ithaca is an isle in the west of today's greece

@last2nkow 23 дня назад

"Casper fell for my bluff! hahahahaha haa" Ody watching you watch Suffering

@theflashimpulse 23 дня назад

It has been a while snice I've read the Iliad and the Odyssey. What I remember Odysseus fatal flaw is Hubris. Many problems and offences stared before his and crews journey even began. 1. He did not give thanks to the gods at the end of long war or give them any credit. Poseidon took great offense as his symbol was a gift to his temple was what allowed Odysseus into Troy. 2. Then The King of Ithaca did not make a sacrifice for a safe (sea) voyage. So its not that his men could not fish but why should the god of the sea who has been so thoroughly been snubbed share the bounty of the sea with ungrateful men . 3. Then they go and blind his son, which was fine when he was "nobody" but his in pain and hubris/pride made him reveal his name and let the cyclopes live with the guilty and pain of what he had done to Odysseus and "his" men. Let be honest at least in the musical nowhere did Odysseus actually apologize When Poseidon gave him the opportunity to do so.