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Tiber Septim EXPLAINED! - Talos, The Underking, Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfharth - Elder Scrolls Lore 

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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we explain the story behind the myth, the man, the god; Tiber Septim.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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@finalaleks.6663
@finalaleks.6663 5 лет назад
When I have trouble falling asleep, these vids help put me under. Not in a bad way, but because your guys's voices are so awesome, and TES lore makes excellent bedtime stories.
@redpanda3339
@redpanda3339 5 лет назад
Their voices with those background music👌
@d-dh2143
@d-dh2143 5 лет назад
Since the d00dz at FudgeMuppet are a bit too "excitable" for me, I for one prefer John Michael Godier and Isaac Arthur for falling asleep.
@dingusdingusman
@dingusdingusman 5 лет назад
Same here
@henrymarckisotto9025
@henrymarckisotto9025 5 лет назад
I do the exact same!
@sladjanrankic4162
@sladjanrankic4162 5 лет назад
Voices? Jesus it took me a year to realise there are three of them 😂
@taylorkoenig6489
@taylorkoenig6489 4 года назад
With Tiber Septim's multiple origins and blurry history makes me think he is an analog for a player character.
@techpriest6962
@techpriest6962 3 года назад
My theory, they had an idea ‘mortal who became a god’ and like Wotc, Games Workshop, or any other large company. They never decided to sit down and write the lore.
@InfinityOrNone
@InfinityOrNone 3 года назад
@@techpriest6962 I think it's the opposite problem. They had their writers all get to work and write the lore, and each writer did exactly that, on their own. So now having half a dozen different origins, they just decided, "Fuck it," and threw all of them into the game because content is content whether it makes sense or not.
@Silath01
@Silath01 3 года назад
Maybe ESO is a Dragon Break and all origins are true
@GustavoTiavo
@GustavoTiavo 3 года назад
A game following Tiber Septim would be cool
@gaywoman420
@gaywoman420 3 года назад
I think this is purposeful to make the elder scrolls lore seem more like real life history where multiple accounts and interpretations exist and often cancel each other out. After all there are several official sources that do just that with certain events.
@Dinoenthusiastguy
@Dinoenthusiastguy 5 лет назад
My theory: Talos' origins and nature are deliberately shrouded in mystery and confusion in order to cause wars between the stormcloaks, empire and thalmor. Who's responsible? Nazeem, who intends to build a cloud district from the ashes of Tamriel
@kyletanking
@kyletanking 5 лет назад
Thus he must silently end along with all airs to his Thorn
@viveka2994
@viveka2994 4 года назад
All Hail Mighty Nazeem, Daedric Prince of Precipitation and Annoyance
@hunterw5044
@hunterw5044 4 года назад
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The real master mind behind this is J'Zargo. He wants to make everyone his subject so he can freely practice magic and test experiments on people.
@pinstripe4254
@pinstripe4254 4 года назад
THAT BASTARD
@AntonEugeneLanthier
@AntonEugeneLanthier 4 года назад
This is unironically my theory, except it's so Nords, Bretons, and Imperials can all identify with him.
@regglesg3599
@regglesg3599 5 лет назад
The Tribunal of Scott, Drew and Michael EXPLAINED?!
@hamzaferoz6162
@hamzaferoz6162 5 лет назад
Drew the Deadrologist EXPLAINED please
@pelinalwhitestrake4196
@pelinalwhitestrake4196 5 лет назад
I've taken to calling them the true Tribunal Drealscott
@regglesg3599
@regglesg3599 5 лет назад
@@pelinalwhitestrake4196 Or drescomi haha
@sevensins3584
@sevensins3584 5 лет назад
@@regglesg3599 that sounds like a medical procedure
@regglesg3599
@regglesg3599 5 лет назад
@@sevensins3584 fair enough, but it took me until fudgemuppet to realise what almsivi meant
@thevoidlookspretty7079
@thevoidlookspretty7079 5 лет назад
I choose to believe that Tiber Spetim walked into Zurin’s lab asking if he had found a power source, saw a smoking green gem and 2/3 of a battlemage, then was like, “Alright then.”
@Thecommander248
@Thecommander248 4 года назад
So headcanon.
@thevoidlookspretty7079
@thevoidlookspretty7079 4 года назад
@@Thecommander248 Yes.
@zerogbot23
@zerogbot23 4 года назад
"Good work Zurin"
@definitelynotfbi119
@definitelynotfbi119 3 года назад
How do you know this?
@nickchappa1827
@nickchappa1827 3 года назад
😂😂😂 that kind of humor hits home
@Saber501
@Saber501 5 лет назад
The idea of a Man Turned God actually being multiple men fused into one being is so fascinating. Man do I love Elder Scrolls. Love this channel! Keep up the hard work!
@PorktatoesSSRB
@PorktatoesSSRB 5 лет назад
Wait...isnt that how the Emperor of Mankind was formed???
@Saber501
@Saber501 5 лет назад
Warhammer 40K Skyrim build for a Talos worshipper?
@PorktatoesSSRB
@PorktatoesSSRB 5 лет назад
"The Emperor is the collective reincarnation of all the shamans of Neolithic humanity's various peoples" i Wikipedia searched and found this not sure if its also counts as multiple men fuse into one being tho
@Saber501
@Saber501 5 лет назад
Heavy armor clad Nord Knight smashing Thalmor and any other obstacles with an enchanted warhammer for defying the word of Mighty Talos.
@kingdavey90
@kingdavey90 5 лет назад
Couldn't have said it better myself!
@gabo1841997
@gabo1841997 5 лет назад
So basically he turned a Dark Age into the greatest Empire ever forged, over his lifetime... What a guy...
@rokkfel4999
@rokkfel4999 5 лет назад
Well mainly for men not mer but yeah impressive like im thinking genghis khan
@ChristianAuditore14
@ChristianAuditore14 5 лет назад
What fucking dark age
@valeclaw1697
@valeclaw1697 4 года назад
Ehh debatable. Larger than any other empire but he had no reason to do it to most of the continent. He let fucked up shit in morrowind persist, didnt do shit to Black Marsh.
@viveka2994
@viveka2994 4 года назад
What a *_chad_*
@viveka2994
@viveka2994 4 года назад
@@valeclaw1697 he did it because the tribunal of Vivec Almalexia and Sotha Sil were OP as shit and would annihilate him.
@thomashearne4670
@thomashearne4670 5 лет назад
If Talos achieved CHIM then he could have altered his origin story as much as he liked. Or if the dragon broke during this time it's possible that all of these origins are true as well
@vivecthepoet36
@vivecthepoet36 4 года назад
If it's anything like the Tribunal, then Talos would have to be more than one "truth". There would be Talos the God, and Tiber Septim the Man, just as there are Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec the "always-gods", and Indoril Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vehk the mer-who-would-be-gods.
@dstr001
@dstr001 4 года назад
That's the point, by the time of Skyrim Talos the god is seen as one being, he altered history to the point where people cant even see the multiple origins even tho he clearly has multiple names and titles. Talos the god is Tiber Septim at his core, with the combined history of Ysmir Wulfharth, Talos Stormcrown and Zurin Arctus' feats.
@joshuavar4678
@joshuavar4678 4 года назад
CHIM isn’t necessarily canon.
@vivecthepoet36
@vivecthepoet36 4 года назад
@@joshuavar4678 CHIM as an in-universe metaphysical concept is explicitly canon, and there really isn't any benefit to be gained from considering its status process/state of being to be non-canon.
@joshuavar4678
@joshuavar4678 4 года назад
Vivec the Poet I’m pretty sure it hasn’t ever been outright proven to be true in any game or official content from Bethesda. And it’s better if it isn’t canon because the idea that everything in the Elder Scrolls universe is a dream kind of ruins the lore and makes everything pointless.
@Altrantis
@Altrantis 5 лет назад
Talos the god probably bears a striking resemblance to the Numidium. He's built from the essence of a shezzarine, the knowledge of a battlemage, the craft of the dwarves as a body, and the will of Hjalti the manmer. Tiber Septim was clearly not an atmoran, that confusion comes from the fact that Wulfharth was Atmoran and many of Tiber Septim's deeds are actually Wulfharth's.
@dman6093
@dman6093 4 года назад
So is it possible that Wulfharth assassinated the current emperor without Talos' knowledge or approval so that Talos could ascend the throne?
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 3 года назад
@@dman6093 Damn, paints Wulfharth as a shady person, and means Talos really just got lucky
@Strawberry92fs
@Strawberry92fs 2 года назад
Tiber Septim was in fact 3 white guys stacked on top of each other in a trenchcoat.
@briancooley8777
@briancooley8777 2 года назад
That’s scary
@Super50ldier
@Super50ldier 2 года назад
Wulfharth was a Nord not a Atmoran.
@dstinnettmusic
@dstinnettmusic 4 года назад
My headcanon is that Talos is essentially a ”player character” in an unreleased game. He did all of the things ascribed to him, just not all at once. Just like I have at various times led the Dark Brotherhood, Theives Guild, Companions, have won the civil war for both the stormcloakes and Imperials, and been head of the college of winterhold. I’ve defeated Miraak and Both been victorious for the Dawnguard and the Volkihar. The last Dragonborn did all these things, but not all at once.
@alperenarslan01
@alperenarslan01 2 года назад
Thats exactly what im thinking. Were you able to find any theories about this?
@LonelyOcean
@LonelyOcean Год назад
Underrated comment right here. He is definitely some kind of fourth wall metaphor because of the uncanny parallels between Tiber Septim/Talos and every other main Elder Scrolls protagonist especially in regards with how they each effected their respective timelines. Certain events occur and threaten the existence of Mundus and that's when a new main game protagonist is introduced then they save the day and bring both peace and balance back to Tamriel but along the way they also cause choatic Dragon Breaks to occur and I believe that happens because every main character was actually the Shezzarine, a mortal manifestation of Lorkhan/Shor with the exception of the Neravarine and the dragon breaks happen because The shezzarine defies the rules of time and space and those key aspects of Auriel and Akatosh clash so heavily that the fabric of reality is altered in such a way that it makes every contradiction in history both true and false. (and BTW that's just a maybe on the account that we don't really know if there can be multiple Shezzarine alive at once or not the Neravarine is currently and allegedly stated to be alive at the same time as The Dragonborn because of The Corpus but that's not confirmed we don't really know what happened to him so it's up in the air.)
@LauraS475
@LauraS475 Год назад
The only thing I haven’t done is kill parthunax because why tf would I do that
@wiibrockster
@wiibrockster 5 лет назад
I have been waiting for this for a very long time! Tiber Septim truly did change Tamriel but for better or worse...well,that just depends on your views..
@weepingangel2384
@weepingangel2384 5 лет назад
Long Live The Empire!
@jacopomazzo4949
@jacopomazzo4949 5 лет назад
Changed for the better, but he was an awful person personally. Evil man and evil actions, even if the Empire has been shaped in a generally good faction, luckily.
@nathanwhite64
@nathanwhite64 5 лет назад
@@jacopomazzo4949 Which makes me wonder if Ulfric might be a fitting successor to his legacy, an ambitious narcissist who does shady things to accomplishes great ones.
@faelheavymetal
@faelheavymetal 5 лет назад
@@nathanwhite64 You're kidding, right?
@nathanwhite64
@nathanwhite64 5 лет назад
@@faelheavymetal Nope. I mean, I can't betray Balgruuf in any case, but I still can't ignore the similarities between him and Septim. All bad, but there you go.
@ferallumberjack4310
@ferallumberjack4310 5 лет назад
What if Talos was all of the myths but in different time lines simultaneously following the same destiny to Ascension?
@briancooley8777
@briancooley8777 2 года назад
He’s basically the messiah of elder scrolls
@azurengamer9392
@azurengamer9392 2 года назад
@@briancooley8777 I always kinda saw him as the the divine replacement of Lorhkan, despite the Thalmor's attempt to snuff out Talos worship claiming he's a false god some do believe he is a god that took Lorhkan's place, its possible that the god Talos was intended by the original 8 to be Lorhkan's successor and a part of me is hoping in es6 its revealed the Thalmor's plot to destroy Talos is secretly a scheme made by a weak avatar of Lorhkan using elven pride to get rid of Talos so he can be return as the true ninth divine.
@Mephilis78
@Mephilis78 Год назад
Kind of the definition of what happens in a dragonbreak. We already know there was a dragonbreak in his time. That's why Cyrodiil is no longer jungle. So really, he did all of it at in split timelines. Just like the Warp in the West.
@oliverstianhugaas7493
@oliverstianhugaas7493 5 лет назад
*Tiber Septim is nothing more than a victorious MARK ANTONY* Praise TALOS.
@comteraffayn8351
@comteraffayn8351 4 года назад
\[T]/
@BryceGirdner
@BryceGirdner 4 года назад
​@Boo Hoo Mark Antony was Julius Caesar's right hand man in the Gallic Wars and thereafter. After Caesar was assassinated in the Roman Senate, Antony took control over the Empire militarily. Facing pressure from the Roman Senate, he teamed up with some lad you don't need to know and a man named Octavian.... or Augustus, I'm sure you've heard of him, Caesar's adopted son. Anyway, those three created the Second Triumvirate... After crushing the Senate forces, Antony and Augustus each governed half of the Empire, still acting as one Roman Empire. Then Augustus was like, "nah, fuck that. I want the whole empire." .... Augustus then defeated Antony in a small-scale war, then killed him and Greco-Egyptian Queen Cleopatra. But yeah, the comparison between Tiber Septim and Mark Antony is made because Antony became sole dictator (for a much shorter time than Talos albeit) after the man who led the insurrection was assassinated, just like Talos became Emperor after King Cuhelain was assassinated.
@gabrielinostroza4989
@gabrielinostroza4989 4 года назад
@@BryceGirdner "Having rejected his loving wife Octavia, Mark Antony has coupled himself to the sorceress, Cleopatra, promising her dominion over all Rome! He worships dogs and reptiles! he blackens his eyes with sooth like a prostitute! he dances and plays the cymbals in vile Nilotic rites!"
@OGfisk
@OGfisk 4 года назад
@@BryceGirdner Anthony didnt really declare himself Emperor, i think you are confusing a bit of his history with Augustus(Octavian)
@ambrosiogiovanni6952
@ambrosiogiovanni6952 4 года назад
@@OGfisk Augustus also didn't declare himself Emperor. His title was just "the first citizen of Rome".
@omegagilgamesh
@omegagilgamesh 4 года назад
"So what is he? How do we know so little about one of the most important people in history?" My default explanation for TES inconsistency: a Dragon Break.
@DragonWinter36
@DragonWinter36 4 года назад
It’s also Bethesda’s default explanation for TES inconsistency CHIM is a close second
@Draezeth
@Draezeth 3 года назад
@@DragonWinter36 He was also said to have achieved CHIM, wasn't he?
@DragonWinter36
@DragonWinter36 3 года назад
@@Draezeth Yep! That’s how he became the Ninth Divine, if I’m not mistaken. (Fuck the Thalmor, they’re objectively wrong about Talos)
@lepimond4605
@lepimond4605 3 года назад
@@DragonWinter36 There's a theory that the Thalmor actually acknowledge Talos as the Ninth Divine (there is a lot of proof that he has indeed become a god), but are forbidding his worship 'cause it would weaken him. Why would they need to weaken Talos is a whole other theory. I could explain it to you if you want
@mrcopycat2355
@mrcopycat2355 3 года назад
@@lepimond4605 Please explain, Skyrim painted them as bad guys but, besides total domination, I don't see other motives
@cegorach3135
@cegorach3135 5 лет назад
By Ysmir!....You will leave out of here alive!...
@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239
CHEESE
@cegorach3135
@cegorach3135 5 лет назад
@@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239 Sweetrolls...
@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239
My lord. What shall we do with the intruder.
@cegorach3135
@cegorach3135 5 лет назад
@@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239 Pluck out his eyes!...or just tell him to go home...
@sheogorath2600
@sheogorath2600 5 лет назад
you imposter I'm the real sheogorath
@TheItalianGentleman2394
@TheItalianGentleman2394 5 лет назад
I am going to be serious for a moment here four years ago I lost my best friend me and him are both humongous fans of Skyrim We both like to be Nords and he was definitely a storm cloak to the core I want you to know I always think about him when I watch these videos so I would like to dedicate this to my fellow in the ward who died in service of his country sovngarde gained a true warrior
@Artorrien
@Artorrien 4 года назад
I also lost a friend who loved Skyrim. We used to talk about it a lot. Now both my friend and yours sing and feast in Sovngarde.
@Artorrien
@Artorrien 4 года назад
I also lost a friend who loved Skyrim. We used to talk about it a lot. Now both my friend and yours sing and feast in Sovngarde.
@siouxsieslime2985
@siouxsieslime2985 4 года назад
@New Kid dickhead
@jhay3966
@jhay3966 4 года назад
@New Kid asshole
@doritozmilk8035
@doritozmilk8035 4 года назад
@New Kid aids
@jhay3966
@jhay3966 4 года назад
I like to imagine that in the far future in some crisis, Talos will be like: "Aight where are the great heroes? Let's see..." looks at list* 1. Nerevareeee - still in Akavir 2. Warrior of Kvatch - Cheesman Orgasms 3. Dovahbro - hangs out with a billion eyes in hentai land "what happened to these guys?"
@petersmittens6222
@petersmittens6222 5 лет назад
I love living in Germany bc for me you're uploading these just when I get home from my night shift, and it's the perfect thing to watch before going to sleep 👌🏻
@maxkernfeld7928
@maxkernfeld7928 5 лет назад
Nicht wahr ?
@ArcherLium
@ArcherLium 4 года назад
Quit that shitty job, night shitfs steals your soul
@johnnystonks3970
@johnnystonks3970 3 года назад
The same thing... But in France 😂
@calebkerr2308
@calebkerr2308 5 лет назад
So I just realised that his story sounds like he was a main character in another game.
@billiamofthunder781
@billiamofthunder781 4 года назад
Arena and Daggerfall
@CaesarSonOfMars
@CaesarSonOfMars 5 лет назад
The dislikes are the Thalmor
@marcus4046
@marcus4046 3 года назад
Ysgramor and Penial:FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFACKING MER!!!!!
@InterrogatorchaplainAsmodai
Ave Caesar
@steveno3141
@steveno3141 5 лет назад
Surprised he didnt touch on the dragonblood or how talos' breast plate allowed for the ritual that required the blood of a divine to work worked.
@vivecthepoet36
@vivecthepoet36 4 года назад
Talos isn't Tiber Septim, Talos isn't Hjalti, Talos isn't Wulfharth, or the Underking, or any combination there in. Talos is the end result.
@YagrumBagarn69
@YagrumBagarn69 3 года назад
You, I would have words with you. - Talos
@SebasTian58323
@SebasTian58323 Год назад
Perhaps the origin of Talos is subject to a small dragon break that when it conjoined again gave birth to the divine, a perfect combination of all origins
@andrewnorris7642
@andrewnorris7642 5 лет назад
Can you do a video on the concept of the brass tower, direnni tower, white gold tower etc and their connection to the existence of mundus a whole
@Ahmed-sl3mk
@Ahmed-sl3mk 4 года назад
Isn't the brass tower just the numedian? Which was destroyed, made by the dwemer, white gold tower was one of the magnificent ayleid structures in cyrodill which iirc was based on the direnni tower in high rock, what are you trying to get at? They're all man/mer created structures that have nothing to do with mundus
@General_Griffin
@General_Griffin 4 года назад
@@Ahmed-sl3mk Do some deeper digging and you'll find that the answer is far more complicated than that.
@Paiitt
@Paiitt 4 года назад
dun dun dun ta da da Actually there is 8 “Towers” which aren’t always man made structures that keep mundus from dissolving into oblivion. One of these towers is the direnni tower and contains a magically sealed door to the room where the aedra originally conviened to create mundus, and it’s said that the convention inside the room is continually going on.
@Paiitt
@Paiitt 4 года назад
I personally think the thalmor would have the most interest in the direnni tower because as we all know the thalmor basically want to reset the universe, and if they somehow unlock the room it’s GG
@Galimeer5
@Galimeer5 5 лет назад
I say Talos was never from Atmora. That's just the nords trying to appropriate his origins. After all, "Talos of Atmora" sounds like a pretty good nord hero name. But I think it makes more sense to say he was actually a breton who grew up in Skyrim, then returned to High Rock with the name Hjalti, a given nordic name. After that, his origin story plays out like the history says.
@d-dh2143
@d-dh2143 5 лет назад
I say both happened thanks to the Warp in the West.
@theiconicprodigy1736
@theiconicprodigy1736 5 лет назад
Dᴇɢᴇɴᴇʀᴀᴛᴇ-ᴋᴜɴ ᴛʜᴇ Dʀᴜɴᴋ 'ɴ' Hɪɢʜ the warp in the west wouldn’t effect what happened hundreds of years before it happened
@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544
@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 5 лет назад
@@theiconicprodigy1736 Actually a dragon brak can do that but I don't think that's what happened. He probably was a breton raise in Atmora, hence the confusion
@theiconicprodigy1736
@theiconicprodigy1736 5 лет назад
Rastrisfrustreslos Gomez I also believe he was a Breton raised in Skyrim
@theiconicprodigy1736
@theiconicprodigy1736 5 лет назад
Rastrisfrustreslos Gomez also what in the past has been effected by dragon breaks?
@pelinalwhitestrake4196
@pelinalwhitestrake4196 5 лет назад
Yeah I got up at 6 am on a school day to watch this. Love ya Muppets.
@pelinalwhitestrake4196
@pelinalwhitestrake4196 5 лет назад
Yeah yeah love ya fugs
@HereComeTheTrainComingBlues
@HereComeTheTrainComingBlues 5 лет назад
Praise Reman!!
@pelinalwhitestrake4196
@pelinalwhitestrake4196 5 лет назад
@@HereComeTheTrainComingBlues Praise be to Reman!
@sheogorath2600
@sheogorath2600 5 лет назад
@@pelinalwhitestrake4196 himself going to school?
@harrisonwilbanks2380
@harrisonwilbanks2380 5 лет назад
6am? You should be almost up anyway lol
@maxmazza2987
@maxmazza2987 4 года назад
Altmer: no mere man can stand against us, let alone conquer our ancient lands! Tiber Septim: *laughs in Numidium*
@LalaLa-ze7kv
@LalaLa-ze7kv 3 года назад
Without it he couldn't though
@omkardalvi3789
@omkardalvi3789 3 года назад
​@@LalaLa-ze7kv He literally is a god. 1 Dragonborn defeated Alduin imagine what 3 combined would do to the elves.
@JaelaOrdo
@JaelaOrdo 5 лет назад
Trust in me, comments section! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!
@baronofbahlingen9662
@baronofbahlingen9662 5 лет назад
Finally a more “mainstream” lore channel talks about this complex and awesome topic. I knew I could count on FudgeMuppet.
@guscop2260
@guscop2260 5 лет назад
My ancestors are smiling at me imperial...can you say the same!!!
@Remnant-ez6iz
@Remnant-ez6iz 5 лет назад
As brave as he was in death than he was in life
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 5 лет назад
Yes
@JustDaZack
@JustDaZack 3 года назад
"I'm sure many of you know who Talos is" OH, Heimskr made sure of that!
@adarshkamoda9183
@adarshkamoda9183 2 года назад
The Underking's less romantic story of Hjalti Early-Beard just makes the most sense to me. He was a Breton, born in Alcaire, who came to Skyrim in the name of ambition and conquered all of Tamriel to save the races of men from themselves. He received the name Talos from his Nord soldiers when they witnessed Wulfharth as a storm over the Breton's head. When Hjalti Early-Beard ascended to the Imperial Throne, he took the name Tiber Septim to make himself more likeable to Cyrodil's lords while his Nord legions wept the weakening of their legendary general. He waged his war across Tamriel to bring a lasting peace. With the power of the Brass Tower, Tiber Septim made himself a god. He was the last Atmoran, he had the Voice, he rewrote Cyrodil's geography. I think the Arcturian Heresy is an origin story and the mythical, romantic ones are the conclusions: a conqueror becomes a hero, the future overwrites and changes the past. It's like building a house and then going back and renovating. Is the first house the real one or were the renovations the originals? Obviously, renovations come second and similarly, Hjalti's Nord origins are his rewriting of history. Was bloodshed really necessary? It seems that Altmer's claims that men are just greedy, ignorant, bloodthirsty barbarians seems justified. The only thing humans of the Elder Scrolls respect is war. But I don't think that explains what was going on at the time. Falmer society seems the closest thing to Eden but we hardly know anything about them thanks to the Atmorans; if we looked at only the best of a culture and compare it to another culture's worst, that can hardly be called fair, can it? Bosmer are as peaceful as their forests. Their culture literally prioritizes embracing differences. But they're as proactive about helping others as a bumblebee. Dunmer base their society on secret murder, plotting and a small amount of racism. Not exactly the kind of rulers you want for a peacekeeping society. Altmer seem super peaceful and enlightened, don't they? Not a single war that we've ever heard of, not a single unjust part of their society, no person falling through the cracks. But that's the thing, we don't know anything about the Altmer's history beyond their religion and propaganda. Their culture prioritizes staying as similar to the past as possible. Conflict is born from opposing ideals and societal norms. When your ideals and culture are about staying the same and preserving the past, no matter the cost, you're not going to have conflict like humans do, are you? You'll be in a small, confined pocket of the world, judging people for being different. That's sort of the problem Tamriel in Hjalti's day had. No one could agree on anything. People were as united as the sand on the beach. They straight up regressed to saying "Fuck trying to think, let's just kill everyone that isn't with me". His exact origins led to his particular beliefs and alliances which led to his exact actions which created an extremely unique and specific legacy. He is the "chosen one" archetype but we're forgetting that he is "special" only for a specific purpose. The prophetic heroes aren't the ones who are told that they're better than others, they're the ones who are the right tools for the right jobs. That's the whole point of being "chosen" by destiny. You're not suddenly given meaning by a higher power, you're told that you have exactly one thing to do in your life. Everything you've seen or done has led to your final destiny. You're not better. If anything, you're worse for being chosen because unlike everyone else, you get the illusion of free will. You are killer, who was born at a time that puts you up against a target and your circumstances ensure that you have to go kill your mark, no matter how you feel about them. The only caveat is the glory of being "the hero". That's what Skyrim's main story was about. Are you one your way to kill Alduin because destiny or because you, personally, want to? Can you understand the forces pulling strings to create the prophecy or are you just a wind-up toy being let loose against dragons? Why do you want to save the world? Is saving the world even the right thing to do? Should you use your Voice? What if you ought to help Alduin? You got funneled into slaying the dragon but you're forgetting why the dragon even exists. My answer to those questions? All mortals can use the Voice but Akatosh decided to give the player a dragon's soul to be used at their discretion. This mortal understands that their destiny is to slay Alduin because if god wanted the world to end, he wouldn't have created the Last Dragonborn. That mortal also has things they want to do in that life and they may also like the world and may not wish it to end so soon. That's also sort of what Hjalti had to probably deal with. The world is in chaos and needs a ruler. The Greybeards call him to their sanctuary and tell him that's exactly what needs to happen. So he follows through with the prophecy.
@Aetherguy-cb9bu
@Aetherguy-cb9bu 11 месяцев назад
Did the Underking literally mention his race?
@adarshkamoda9183
@adarshkamoda9183 11 месяцев назад
@@Aetherguy-cb9bu Yes.
@Aetherguy-cb9bu
@Aetherguy-cb9bu 11 месяцев назад
@adarshkamoda9183 If it's in the Arcturian Heresy, it only says he's from high rock. Is there any dialogue from Daggerfall where it is mentioned?
@themadmonk6379
@themadmonk6379 5 лет назад
The thing about Tiber Septim being a man mer. Atmorins to the common humans might seem quite elf like, tall, long lifed, demigod like power.
@vivecthepoet36
@vivecthepoet36 4 года назад
I mean, after the Dragon Break/CHIM/Mantling/However Talos acquired godhood, Talos could be a Nord, an Imperial, a Breton, none, and all of the above all at once.
@BroadwayRonMexico
@BroadwayRonMexico 3 года назад
"Manmer" (that is, Bretons) are on the short side though. With the name "Hjalti", he may very well have been part-Nord and been taller than a typical Breton, but he still would be nowhere near as big as an Atmoran (who dwarfed modern Nords and may have even been the ancestors of the giants too). There's also one source (not explicitly canon, but written by the same guy who wrote most of the lore on Talos) where Kyne herself is the one who refers to him as a "manmer", and she definitely wouldnt mistake an Atmoran and a Breton. Said writer has referred to Hjalti/Tiber Septim as a Breton in out of game forum posts a few times before too
@therockingvolbeat3630
@therockingvolbeat3630 2 года назад
I like to think he was an elf on the side of men, so a “man” mer. Would be pretty cool.
@FramesJanco505
@FramesJanco505 5 лет назад
Yo, where's Nazeem at? I haven't seen him in the cloud district, he must not get there as often anymore
@henrymarckisotto9025
@henrymarckisotto9025 5 лет назад
Thank you! The Talos stuff always confused me and who better to explain it than the Fudgemuppet lads
@xKatakiuchii
@xKatakiuchii 5 лет назад
You know you're a good RU-vidr when you have 3 views and 7 likes
@MALWylie
@MALWylie 4 года назад
I’ve always theorized that Talos is simply the completion of a plan by Lorkhan to regain life after the Aedra killed him and also to walk the Divine Path to achieve CHIM, true Godhood! Going further, it could be used to expand on Lorkhan’s plan for the creation of Mundus: perhaps he did so to attain true divinity and knowledge of the Aurbis considering his existence being the soul of Sithis, who is the soul of Padomay, who made the Dread Father to better understand himself and Sithis to create Lorkhan for the same concept. It is a bit spectacular how this can be expanded on and linked all the way back to the two infinite persons: Anu and Padomay.
@majora320
@majora320 5 лет назад
Perhaps there were a couple of Dragon Breaks surrounding Tiber Septim?
@CosmicFaust
@CosmicFaust 5 лет назад
Do you think these ideas about ‘Man becoming God’ could’ve been inspired by Joseph Campbell’s “Monomyth/Hero with a Thousand Faces,” Jung’s “Collective Unconscious” and Nietzsche’s “Übermensch?”
@Nerazmus
@Nerazmus 5 лет назад
There are many ancient myths of human ascending to some form of godhood. But those you mention could have played a role as well.
@Nerazmus
@Nerazmus 5 лет назад
@toaritok There is a lot of parallels that could be drawn between Caesar and Talos.
@metroplexprime9901
@metroplexprime9901 3 года назад
Ok, so I have a bit of a wild theory here in terms of how divinity works. I'm noticing a lot of similarities between Vivec and Talos, at least in terms of the mystery behind their origins. Vivec has a multitude of backstories, from the "divine" backstory presented by the tribunal to the more human one where he was part of a street gang until he was eventually found and taken in by Indoril Nerevar. Regardless of his origins, the end is pretty much consistent: he rises to divinity using the heart of Lorkhan and achieving chi(y?)m. The details differ (IIRC in the tribunal temple version Nerevar died at the battle of red mountain at the hand of Dumac Dwarf-king just before Kagrenac manipulated the heart of lorkhan, but the ashlanders believe that Nerevar was killed by the tribunal), but the result is the same. The same goes for Talos. He has a wide variety of backstories, each proclaiming that he came from a different background, but the result is still always the same: he ascends to the ruby throne and achieves divinity. An idea presented in Elder scrolls lore is the idea that worship confers some amount of power to the one worshipped. Vivec still maintains a fraction of his power due to his worship at the tribunal temple, despite his loss of power from the heart of Lorkhan. This is why the aldmeri dominion is trying to stamp out the worship of Talos. With this in mind, I present this: mortals ascending to divinity meld many into one, and divines being differently worshipped splits one into many. I present Akatosh as the stand-out example of one splitting into many. Even his origins are of one splitting into many, with Annu creating Anui-el, and Anui-el creating Auri-el. There's even an opposite dichotomy between mortals and divines, where mortals who become divine have differing origins as mortals, but are seen as the same figure, and divines having generally similar backstories among all cultures, but end up being almost entirely different figures. With all of this in mind, Talos starts to make more sense: all of his stated origins are correct at the same time, again similar to Vivec. He was a breton warrior, an atmoran who grew up in Skyrim, and an imperial all at the same time, just as vivec is theorized to be all of his origins at the same time. Sorry for the essay, I just thought I would share my thoughts on this.
@twaalfendertig
@twaalfendertig 5 лет назад
Could you guys do a video on how the different races perceive criminality and how they deal with criminals? The view of the Argonians for instance would probably be quite interesting since all of them are sort of bound by the Hist.
@georgeaird4637
@georgeaird4637 2 года назад
Tiber Septim is like the player-character we never got to play as.
@whiskerskibou8647
@whiskerskibou8647 3 года назад
Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfharth, and Talos Stormcrown walk into a bar. He orders a drink.
@YOGI-kb9tg
@YOGI-kb9tg 5 лет назад
thats one of the major problems with bethesda and there lore they dont tell us what is and isnt cannon so works by Micheal kirkbride are considered cannon by many and bethesda will never dispute them because they leave the lore up to speculation with in the fandom.
@seroteamavi9505
@seroteamavi9505 4 года назад
It's a curse and a blessing. So much content, discussion and speculation just because of how unreliable even in-game sources can be. Because go figure a book written by an Altmer, imperial or nord might just be a bit biased.
@ApexAZnn
@ApexAZnn 4 года назад
I think it's more a blessing than a curse, although I do see the problems that arise.
@pyrys8807
@pyrys8807 5 лет назад
Listening to this as the first thing in the morning and eating breakfast. Thanks for the pleasant wakeup!
@Fenris2
@Fenris2 5 лет назад
Reason why everyone claimed he was from their area was an attempt to claim their right to power
@gdew5168
@gdew5168 5 лет назад
In before the Thalmor has this video taken down.
@JKC40
@JKC40 5 лет назад
See what kind of damage retconning can do, folks?
@fingerboxes
@fingerboxes 3 года назад
Greybeards to Talos: "Dovakin" Greybeards to the last dragonborn: "Dovakin" Greybeards to Wulfharth: "Dumb-ass"
@HighKingOfSkyrim37
@HighKingOfSkyrim37 4 года назад
Talos could be half breton half nord. Could explain the argument of his nature.
@blackdragon5274
@blackdragon5274 3 года назад
I feel like the story of him and Barenziah is not as straightforward as in "The real Barenziah" (forcing her to abort their child) because we only ever see a version of it that has been curated to make Tiber look bad, and other sources say that they never had that kind of relationship. Barenziah herself can't be trusted fully either, as she's known to twist history. It's probably somewhere in the middle.
@martonk
@martonk Год назад
Why do you think it was written to make Tiber Septim look bad?
@LordMortanius
@LordMortanius Год назад
My man, aborting his child is the least of Tibby's antics.
@emperorclaudius5499
@emperorclaudius5499 4 года назад
Please bare with me this is going to be a long one. I believe The story of The Elder Scrolls is meant to be a mirror of the classical period in our world with more Celtic and Germanic influencers mixed in a Tolkien style fantasy setting. For example, Ysgramor and the Nord exodus from Atmora to settle Tamriel is supposed to be the survivors of Troy who fled across the sea and eventually settled in Italy and according to legend we're the ancestors of the Romans. Reman Cyrodil and his empire mirror the story of Alexander the great who conquered the known world at the time but died young and his empire splintered. Tiber Septim's story is loosely based on the life of both Julius Caesar and Augustus without the Roman Republic and simply begins as an empire. Augustus real name was Octavian but took the name Julius Caesar for himself because Caesar was his uncle and when he brought Rome into its golden age and became emperor he was given the name Augustus and upon his death was declared a God after 40 years of rule, this is why Tiber Septim has many names and ruled the empire for 80 years. Tiber Septim also had an affair with Barenziah the Queen of morrowind just like Julius Caesar and Cleopatra. The story of Uriel Septim and the Empire throughout the games up until his death in "Oblivion" mirrors the story of Marcus Aurelius and the end of Romes golden age. The current state of the Empire in "Skyrim" Mirrors the crisis of the third century where Rome entered a 100 year long period of civil war. With all that in mind I believe I can safely predict the future of tamriel and the Empire going forward. For starters the Empire will have defeated the dominion and the Empire for a short time once again will be Reunited by a great general who goes on to found a new capital for the rich High elf, wood elf, khajit and argonian provinces however this will have marked a permanent divide of the empire into 2 halfs and the people on both sides will start to abandon worship of the Divines altogether in favour of one God and marking the events of his birth death and resurrection and ultimately his ascension to the heavens with reverence just like the late Roman Empire was Reunited by Emperor Constantine but later split into east and west and abandoned paganism for Christianity. So the Empire is permanently divided and switched to a new religion but rather than the central conflict being internal it will instead be external with a new wave of aggressive migration from the other continents on Nirn like Akavir, atmora and aldmeris which was exactly what happened to the Romans with the Germanic migrations in the West and Islamic conquests in the east. The majority human provinces will hold their ground and become strong and independent Kingdoms held together by their new religion but ultimately the empire will disappear in cyrodil, Skyrim, Morrowind, high Rock and hammerfell exactly how Rome lost control in the West. The majority elven, khajit and argonian provinces will remain United as an Empire for much longer and stay on relatively peaceful terms with majority human and dark elf Kingdoms but will eventually fizzle out and disappear as their land is swallowed up peace by peace by Settlers and Invaders from the other continents perhaps followers of a Daedric cult which was exactly what happened to the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire by Islamic Invaders. Now that I've bored you all with that history lesson I hope I've reasonably convinced you that the world of the Elder Scrolls is supposed to be a retelling of the classical time period of our world in a Germanic/Tolkien fantasy setting.
@bucksfuttly1325
@bucksfuttly1325 4 года назад
Very thought provoking.
@RhianKristen
@RhianKristen 5 лет назад
I love just listening to your videos... there’s something magical about them. Good job 👍
@subject1754
@subject1754 5 лет назад
You know you're a G when the Thalmor try to outlaw worshipping you.
@user-ys3jq3uf4p
@user-ys3jq3uf4p 4 года назад
Thalmor:this is getting out of hand, now there are 9 of them.
@tiezukae
@tiezukae 5 лет назад
So basically loud Jesus?
@mickey4697
@mickey4697 5 лет назад
But Atmorans are essentially nords
@Scotttjt
@Scotttjt 4 года назад
@the apocryphite No... The Atmorans were the natives of Atmora, and were the ancestors of the Nords. They were mostly the same in appearance, though the Nords have some minor physiological differences due to their ancestors interbreeding with the local Nedes. The Akaviri were the men of Akavir. Next to nothing is known about them other than they were enslaved and later "eaten" by the Tsaesci.
@Scotttjt
@Scotttjt 3 года назад
@Boss J Desano Yup.
@Alphatreeyyyy
@Alphatreeyyyy 5 лет назад
What if Wulfharth was shoved into the mantella and when he killed Zurin Arctus. Zurin soul was absorbed by Wulfharths ashes
@mykls8712
@mykls8712 5 лет назад
I'm intrigued. I want this visually.
@dingusdingusman
@dingusdingusman 5 лет назад
Thanks for all the hard work you guys do
@sevensins3584
@sevensins3584 5 лет назад
What i really want in Elder scroll 6: a wise and a little crazy old daedrologist with three different voices and lots of stories to tell. Who lives in a tower in the woods where he study ancient texts.
@dizma5956
@dizma5956 5 лет назад
Skyrim belongs to the nords!
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 5 лет назад
Long live the Empire !
@dizma5956
@dizma5956 5 лет назад
@@Valencetheshireman927 😂😂😂
@gustavop.9379
@gustavop.9379 5 лет назад
skyrim belongs to the snow elves!! ...and the dwemer!!
@anti-lifeequation1683
@anti-lifeequation1683 5 лет назад
@@gustavop.9379 you have committed crimes against skyrim and here people lets say you in your deffence
@dizma5956
@dizma5956 5 лет назад
@@anti-lifeequation1683 Lmao
@alexandracohen0694
@alexandracohen0694 3 года назад
It's possible he may be a half breed. Breton and Nord. That would support both stories. One sees him as a breton, the other as a nord. Being a breton is itself being part elf, especially in the early years. So by being a half breton and half Nord child would support both stories. Each side favoring their own race, or not noticing his half breed heritage.
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 года назад
Old comment but half breeds don't really exist sure he could have ancestry from other races but bretons are the only 'half races' but they're pretty much their own race It makes much more sense that he was a nord as nords have a thing with making claims that their hero's are atmoran even if its not true
@archdux
@archdux 5 лет назад
So... the most likely origin/nature of the god Talos, is a dead god (Shor/Lorkan) reincarnated into multiple mortals that eventually fused souls and achieved chim/apotheosis to claim/reclaim godhood. Talos/Ysmir may very well be Lorkan/Shor in a new form and the nords worship both. I guess that explains why the Thalmor are so set on destroying skyrim.
@reidparker1848
@reidparker1848 4 года назад
Blah blah Kirkbride this, Kirkbride that.
@lostlothbrok7156
@lostlothbrok7156 5 лет назад
Given that most sources contradict Talos being Nordic are non canon it's a safe bet to rule out a Breton ancestory. I believe Talos was not any of the human or elf mixed races but instead a unique race of human/dragon even before learning the Thum. Another example of him not being of Breton origin is he expanded the Nordic claimed territories and did literally nothing with those in High Rock. Talos walked and talked as a warrior with sword in hand, his use of magic was centered around dragon types unlike Bretons who are masters of things like wards or healing spells. The list goes on and on, what's truly ironic is that the Empire in the past had been ruled by Nords and I find it interesting given the political climate in Skyrim's timeline
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 5 лет назад
He did not expand the Nordic claimed territories though. Talos put an end to a lot of the petty squables in High Rock and brought some unification to the land. Talos being a Breton is far more logical than him being Nord, and there were barely any Nordic Emperors in the history of TES, excluding the Nordic Empire.
@maxrander0101
@maxrander0101 5 лет назад
at this point we really have no idea if he was even one person after all even in our own world their are legends of kings that did things no others had ever done that were really a series of kings of the same line and over the yrs their stories got merged into one the same could of happened with Tiber Septim
@DanWeeks
@DanWeeks 2 года назад
I just read The Arcturian Heresy in game, and now I'm VERY confused.
@elvenbredx6012
@elvenbredx6012 5 лет назад
4:09 if he achieved chim he can change his race !
@dr4g0nitedive29
@dr4g0nitedive29 5 лет назад
I thought Sotha Sil said he couldn't? IDK I could be wrong tho :P
@jaycrownshaw3902
@jaycrownshaw3902 4 года назад
@@dr4g0nitedive29 Sil didnt achieve CHIM. and with CHIM you probably could.
@EgotisticalObserver
@EgotisticalObserver 3 года назад
Ok this is gonna sound crazy and nobody might ever see this comment but I’m playing skyrim right now. I’m in a cave and I found the book “The Arcturian Heresy” literally within a second of when fudgemuppet said The Arcturian Heresy at 3:34. Is this a coincidence or are the gods trying to speak to me?
@mythicdawn9574
@mythicdawn9574 5 лет назад
Brilliant as always ! Complete, with both sides of the story, not dismissing how little we know and how unreliable what we know really is. Really cool voice too ! And one of the most interesting topics of TES lore
@Super50ldier
@Super50ldier 2 года назад
He mantled Shezarr through his merging of Shezarrines.
@awesomeguy6928
@awesomeguy6928 8 месяцев назад
Tiber Septim is actually just sheogorath playing a prank on the elves
@jacopomazzo4949
@jacopomazzo4949 5 лет назад
When you discover that Tiber Septim forced a young and underage Barenziah to abort a pregnancy, which with the slow reproduction ritms of the elves could have made her infertile for life just to save his ass, killed the Emperor he was general to and burned everything to take his throne and released a genocidial futuristic robot on the people of Summerset, starting the effect who would bring the Thalmor in power centuries later. *Heimskr voice* _That wasn't very great and mighty of you_
@pyrys8807
@pyrys8807 5 лет назад
It sure was mighty and great. His actions had huge impact and he had might over a continent and everyone in it.
@the_dropbear4392
@the_dropbear4392 5 лет назад
She wasn't underage
@wedgeantilles1498
@wedgeantilles1498 5 лет назад
We got a thalmor agent here..
@23Raind
@23Raind 5 лет назад
They don't have slow reproduction rates, they just kill most of their own babies.
@jacopomazzo4949
@jacopomazzo4949 5 лет назад
that one guy If you want to call Thalmor agent someone who's literally saying canon facts about the man without any talk of Talos worship... He was a shitty guy, the refusal to recognize it is exactly why the Thalmor have gained power, they used the valid indignation of the aldmeri people for their own gain
@lonedoeseverything1744
@lonedoeseverything1744 2 года назад
My theory is that The Dragonborn is actually Talos's kin.
@etollady986
@etollady986 5 лет назад
But why the HECKIN' POOPOO is the Totem of tiber septim a sideways baby?
@littlebaron5573
@littlebaron5573 5 лет назад
Edward Tollady rebirth into a god?
@Altrantis
@Altrantis 5 лет назад
Barenziah's child maybe?
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 2 года назад
It takes a Julius Caesar-esque megalomania and pragmatism to _fusion_ with your teammates and steal their mojo.
@Gardiken
@Gardiken 5 лет назад
I believe he was a Nord, that seemed more like his Atmoran ancestors than many nords of his time did, that happened to be born in High Rock. The only part of him being Breton is non-cannon, but just because he was born in High Rock doesn't mean he has to be a Breton. That'd be like everyone born in Elsweyr is a Khajiit, period, no matter if their parents were Argonian and Altmer.
@mzmarkroark5711
@mzmarkroark5711 Год назад
Was. Tiber. Septem. A nord. Or. A Brenton
@philosophicalphil6611
@philosophicalphil6611 3 года назад
I believe that Talos was inspired by King Arthur:
@TheUrbandilema
@TheUrbandilema 5 лет назад
Morning im here yes..more content..thanks again and much appreciated.. big fudge Muppet
@poetscotty
@poetscotty 5 лет назад
Why couldn't he be Half Breton and Nord? If he was both that would make him pretty powerful both in strength and magic making a true king and a true god.
@arradon2825
@arradon2825 5 лет назад
From what I know in elder scrolls the race of the children is the one of his mother and from the father can inherit personally traits and some small phisical traits. So Talos has the race of his Breton mother and the personality and some phisical strength form his Nord father.
@Distortion23
@Distortion23 5 лет назад
Half breeds take the race of the mother with traces of the father’s race remaining. Tiber wouldn’t have been as strong as the average Nord due to being a mixed Breton. He wouldn’t have been as skilled with magic as the average Breton due to being mixed, elven ancestry would have been weaker.
@tank3143
@tank3143 4 года назад
@@Distortion23 seeing as he was a hell of a warrior he definitely favored his Nord half.
@d-dh2143
@d-dh2143 5 лет назад
What?! No delves into the crazytown of Talos somehow being all three at once due to the Warp in the West that became a Shezzarine who achieved CHIM (or one of the three aforementioned entities achieving CHIM beforehand) that as this inconceivable-to-mortal-minds triune entity who THEN ascended godhood-- **[head-asplode]** Oh, so that's probably why y'all stopped at scratching the surface so you didn't inadvertently blow the brains of your viewers. :)
@reidparker1848
@reidparker1848 4 года назад
Blah blah Kirkbride this, Kirkbride that. Get out of here.
@ki11j0y2
@ki11j0y2 4 года назад
Nuimiduim to me sounds like liberty prime but dwarfian like think about it took the summer set isles with ease takeing down the institute with ease as well as a bronze tower or a tower of steel and anti communist propaganda I meaaaan sounds pretty similar to me and the fact they both get blown into pieces by evil jerks (underking/ enclave
@briancrosby152
@briancrosby152 5 лет назад
When your Counted Days are done you may once again return to Sovngarde - Tsun
@UnholyWrath3277
@UnholyWrath3277 4 года назад
I think the mixed stories about what race he was are pretty much each race wanting to have the pride to claim hey the guy who conquered the whole continent was one of us. Instead of feeling like they were conquered that way they can say well at least he was one of our own and this empire stems from us somewhat
@elvenbredx6012
@elvenbredx6012 5 лет назад
wow first video I see on the release day actually it has only 4 likes mine included, love you channel !
@dmullins301TWM
@dmullins301TWM 4 года назад
People miss the point when trying to decipher the origin of "Talos". It becomes easy when one thinks of "Talos the god" as a real person playing the game, of which he has made several characters. Instead of "Talos", imagine it was "Jeff". Jeff has several characters. (Using ESO classes), Jeff has a Dragonknight tank, a warden healer, a nightblade, etc. If someone says hey, I know Jeff. He's a dragonknight. Someone else says nope, he's a warden healer. Which is correct? Both. Talos is the identity behind several "characters".
@eshock753
@eshock753 5 лет назад
Please never stop making lore videos! They’re the best part of my day now
@thedarknight307
@thedarknight307 4 года назад
Praise Talos, and Long Live the Empire. I will not abandon the empire. Not abandon what Talos created, and let Martin's die in vain
@elvenbredx6012
@elvenbredx6012 5 лет назад
ok, I go home and begin a new build : Talos Avatar build !
@Nerazmus
@Nerazmus 5 лет назад
And what race will you be?
@elvenbredx6012
@elvenbredx6012 5 лет назад
@@Nerazmus I have achived chim so It does not matter: I am - Nord of course !
@Kng-hv2qb
@Kng-hv2qb 5 лет назад
Elvenbred X I’ve been building one like that for a while so far it’s really fun to play
@UnholyWrath3277
@UnholyWrath3277 4 года назад
He is much like Julius and Augustus Caesar. Yes he did horrible things and grabbed as much power as possible. But arguably he created a empire that encompassed the entire continent for what I believe was the first time. This brings stability between provinces fosters trade and boosts relations between races. Was everything perfect? No of course not but how many more small province vs province wars would've devastated areas all over the continent and held progress back if he hadnt
@martonk
@martonk Год назад
I think he is just as misunderstood as the Caesars. Neither of them brought any good to Rome, the republic was far far superior to the empire or the principate. All I see in the Caesars are megalomaniacs who think every person exists for the sake of their glory, same as I see Tiber Septim
@GBae-fx9ff
@GBae-fx9ff 4 года назад
the virgin tiber septim vs. the chad reman cyrodiil
@johnballs1352
@johnballs1352 4 года назад
You got that backwards
@boldbearings
@boldbearings 4 года назад
21:32 "To answer some of these questions we would need to plunge into a rabbit hole so deep we risk falling into Nirn's core...." Sounds like a party, let's do it.
@gabo1841997
@gabo1841997 5 лет назад
So basically he turned a Dark Age into the greatest Empire ever forged, over his lifetime... What a guy...
@thepurehealer1279
@thepurehealer1279 4 года назад
*for humans, cause fuck elves XD
@s7Matt
@s7Matt 4 года назад
Tiber Septim could have been born in Atmora... But aren't all nords? As in Don't they all come from Atmora? #Mindblowing JK, guys. For me, this is as mysterious as it is.
@thealdmeridominion7086
@thealdmeridominion7086 5 лет назад
A tyrant and a warlord who has caused so much grief in Tamriel and inspires others to do the same. A symbol of colonialism and barbarism.
@cgh7134
@cgh7134 5 лет назад
Dirty thalmor
@thealdmeridominion7086
@thealdmeridominion7086 5 лет назад
@@cgh7134 We'll bring peace and prosperity to Tamriel! We are the future!
@brandanpalmer
@brandanpalmer 7 месяцев назад
In my opinion the truth of Talos is, like most things, somewhere in the middle. He was probably born hjialti earlybeard and studied in Skyrim Amin his youth. Hjialti himself, the Breton, was Dragonborn He probably was so successful in his conquests of Cyrodiil due to his two legendary companions Ysmir Wulfarth and Zurich Archtus as well as his own power, though hjialti seems to have gotten most all the credit. Ysmir was a shezerine most likely, with weird avatar stuff constantly happening to him, and was probably jealous the greybeards denied him and then later proclaimed hjialti as tje chosen one Hjialti probably didn’t kill his liege lord due to his throat also being slit, which I agree did happen Having his throat slit basically destroyed all the power that made hjialti “special” Ysmir Wulfarth is the underking most likely Ysmir and Hjialti’s relationship seems to have deteriorated to the point of hostility between them after hjialti became emperor This deterioration, paired with hjialti’s loss of power, lead to hjialti and Zurich making the choice to betray their once friend and ally in order to create a new super weapon Unfortunately for hjialti, this betrayal did indeed give him the super weapon he sought, but didn’t just destroy Ysmir, but claimed the life of Zurich as well. Hjialti lost both his friends but gained the weapon he so desired. Hjialti, or tiber septim we should say, went on and used the Numidium to conquer all of Tamriel. After Tiber was successful, Ysmir was able to be somehow revived (shezerine avatar weirdness, basically means Ysmir can’t stay dead seeing as he seems to die like 3 times) and destroyed the numidium that he’d been forced to power. Tiber septim goes on to rule the empire with distinction until his natural death, where upon he definitely ascended to godhood. Though it is possible that parts of ysmir was also ascended and merged alongside Tiber septim to create the god talos. At the end of the tale, Hjialti did horrible horrible things, but he did them in order to save all of tamriel, and it seems Tiber deemed no cost to great to achieve that goal.
@evilmatt6465
@evilmatt6465 4 года назад
My theory about his race is that he was likely born to a Nordic family in High Rock and that’s why he has a Nordic name. It’s also possible that he had mixed elves and Nordic ancestry (maybe that’s where “manmer” comes from?). I do accept that he could also be a Breton but I do like the idea that he was a Nord from High Rock because it’s different from the other origin stories lol
@skyrimguy217
@skyrimguy217 Год назад
I imagine he's half nord, half breton.
@talosisoursavior4015
@talosisoursavior4015 5 лет назад
Terrible and powerful Talos! We, your unworthy servants, give praise! For only through your grace and benevolence may we truly reach enlightenment! And deserve our praise you do, for we are one! Ere you ascended and the Eight became Nine, you walked among us, great Talos, not as god, but as man! Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While you have ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walk among the stars! But you were once man! Aye! And as man, you said, "Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you." Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! The very idea is inconceivable to our Elven overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With man? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth! Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives? And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine! For we are the children of man! And we shall inherit both the heavens and the earth! And we, not the Elves or their toadies, will rule Skyrim! Forever! Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!
@b1praetorian738
@b1praetorian738 5 лет назад
I hope in ES6 we end up achieving Chim or become a god of men like Talos. I also hope the dwemer return and they turn out to be a major threat even scaring the daedra.
@Kareem_Saad_Al-Deen_
@Kareem_Saad_Al-Deen_ 3 года назад
Or even play as Talos.
@rhett6946
@rhett6946 2 года назад
@@Kareem_Saad_Al-Deen_ ... no
@nihilvox
@nihilvox 3 года назад
Considering the video's a year old, I'm sure someone's beaten me to this- What if Talos's racial ambiguity (aside from "human") is some sort of chim bullshit? He is EVERY kind of human, because his claim to fame is "The Human That Became A God" - just the Redguard/Yokudan Talos hasn't been identified yet, or doesn't yet have a reason to have existed.
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 года назад
Well you could have a point since you would think at least one person would document what his race was but still your theory doesn't have enough evidence to support it
@joshuacampbell6739
@joshuacampbell6739 5 лет назад
2nd view ✌️ I love these videos. When will you upload a build vid? X
@FudgeMuppet
@FudgeMuppet 5 лет назад
Likely this week :)
@joshuacampbell6739
@joshuacampbell6739 5 лет назад
Hell yeah!!
@youstolemyhandleyoutwat
@youstolemyhandleyoutwat 5 лет назад
There are still more builds.. ? I figured that by this point, 8 years after release, all build would be covered.
@DZSherpa
@DZSherpa 5 лет назад
@@youstolemyhandleyoutwat that is the beauty of it. The builds are unlimited
@pelinalwhitestrake4196
@pelinalwhitestrake4196 5 лет назад
@@FudgeMuppet Yaaaaay!
@talosisoursavior4015
@talosisoursavior4015 5 лет назад
the reach belongs to the forsworn
@cobraboytnt1941
@cobraboytnt1941 3 года назад
Shut up you forsworn barbarian
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