I’m sorry but we really need to stop making definitive statements on these systems before they’re even released. We don’t know how good or bad this is yet until we have it.
Yep, trying to defend the system before knowing how rng it is. Also rng doesn't matter in the old system because the rng doesn't cost anything.. it costs mats for the new accessories rng.. that's a world of difference for the worse.
yeah if SG proven something with their most recent systems is, that their rng chances are just predatory, 0,55% chance to see your set bonus during elixir cutting is one example for all. We can be pretty sure that good chances for accessory system will be something similar.
Well trying to attack or defend this system so soon is just nonsense. Right now from what i understood is that this system is kinda like bracelet where you can roll and get something or nothing but at least with bracelet you can just settle for a avrg bracelet while we don't know yet if this will be the case for the accesories. Main thing i can tell tho that is a plus for this system is that you can just buy finished accesories from market which gives a place for people who wanna gamba and for people who just wanna pay for their accesories like we do currently. So ya for the people dooming this system for forcing you to pay for gamba is that in reality you don't have to, you can try and make bank but that's up to luck.
as long as I don't have everyone and their mother having to look at my accessories effects to join a group idc if it's like bracelets, as long as it's a min max type of thing it's fine.
The gold cost to roll and unlock stat lines from the new accs should simply be removed. It’s pretty unappealing. Bracelets have similar looking rng system, but at least they’re free to roll.
for me i dont really care if its more or less rng but its the fact i jus pick up the accessories and dismantle most of them instantly and if a good one drops its jus so cool extra but now in this new system i have to go to a new shitty vendor/menu in this game of 100 menus (that r trash btw) and take time rolling these and i think that is gonna b awful jus put some more random shit to waste our time i dont think this could ever b good unless its the only way a new player engages wit the system bc i bet my bottom dollar we still will b buying the shit off the auction house
@MisoxShiru I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong about this, the new system is FAR WORSE than the current system, sure you might math it out on a paper napkin and say there is a mathematical higher chance of getting a good roll on the new system while COMPLETELY IGNORING the fact that new accessories quality have to be upgraded with gold AND to unlock those mystery lines you have to pay gold (again!) AND a new limited resource (that currently we know comes from endgame raid), so you are literally upgrading something with limited resources (gold + new raid material) to get something that could be 100% garbage, while on the old system you knew something was garbage right away so you would event buy it. Its the equivalent of having to roll a bracelet with gold and dark fire...sounds lot less appealing now ain't it?
I'm not sure where you are getting that the new resource comes from raids... There has been no confirmation about this anywhere from what I can tell. If anything, the current predominant assumption is that the mats for rolling accessories come from dismantling other accessories and it becomes a tradeable resource that you can sell on the market. Here is the excerpt from Saint's document: "The material cost is currently presumed to be a byproduct that is salvaged when dismantling T4 accessories, and can be listed on the auction house based off of the market quick-access icons in the refinement UI."
i don't recall them saying how you get the "limited resource" the current speculation is that its the byproduct of dismantaling t4 acc, so its not as limited as Dark fire. The other thing is, these acc can be rolled and sold on the auction house, because they are eliminating engravings from acc.. these will be the new in circulation acc. you can roll them and then sell them/buy them if u get something good. i also woulden't be suprised if u could sell the byproduct of dismantling them on the auction house as well. Essentially they are taking 2 different systems (acc and braclets) fusing them into one and lettign you sell them after rolling.
@@999karai Memorizer went onto Saint's stream afterwards when they were making the document to account for mistakes in the live translations (all the live translators made at least one mistake here and there). So the info in Saint's document is a culmination of translations from Memo, Lustboy, and Wineblue.
You'll get stats from the ark passive tree. It seems upgrading accessories gives you more ark passive points in the accessory-specific ark passive tab? That is how I understood it to work. Seems like the ark passive points are guaranteed increases when you upgrade an accessory and the other bonuses are a random rng roll. Basically it's less feast or famine, getting your basic working build is easy and you still have room to min-max with rolling for better bonuses.
Bruh, I will say this the new system for accessory literally a genshin impact artifact system for the rng stat up to 3 options when u get the accessory to +3 (according LoA ON have shown screenshots in presentation) the main stat like HP and strength/dexterity/intelligent (based on your class damage type) will increase accordingly as you level up. Plus ur average gamer going to get like 1-2 good line for all accessory.
quote - "worried this might age badly" but who cares right? iz full rmt or quit the game time risk or quit in tier4 boiz games that are worth nothing are worth to be treated this way
It doesn't cost gold for me to roll accessories. I just play the game and it drops for free. Here you have to pay gold in the new system. This went from being positive passive income to a gambling gold sink.
you have to buy accessories from AH because theres no way you get 30xbis accessories. and its extremely expensive. here, you craft them, have choices, can sell them after
@@clementguitard6653 you'd passive get gold to buy the very accessories by getting gold selling stuff you can't use. Now you don't know, it may be like a lotto ticket, you first have to invest and who knows what are the chances of selling something. You could spend 100k gold and get 0 sellable stuff. Where if you grinded at least it was free and didn't cost you. It's obvious sg just wanted another way to burn off gold, since kr has a ton of it.
Just finished video, did you really say, that it is not hard to roll legendary circulate? :D Chance for legendary circulate is 0.07549%, so if we would use it as example, do your math how much it would cost to roll it 3x per accessory and then x5 on all of them :D
Sir... I think you need to watch the video again... can you point to me where exactly I said "its not hard to roll legendary circulate" What I recall saying is that "it's not hard to get a one line in something like Circulate, Fervor, Battle, whatever" => aka its not hard to get 1 useful line. I went in looked at the data and if we take all lines that are positive for DPS classes (Fervor, Circulate, Hammer, Wedge, Assail, etc) its a bit lower than 10% chance to get one of those lines when you hit the roll button. Which spread across 2-3 lines on a bracelet, its not that bad of a chance.
@@MisoxShiru well there is BIG difference between rare/epic/legendary version of effect, legendary is from what was showed on LOAON 3-6x stronger than rare. I think that these effects can be considered as new quality, if you got only rare effects it is like having green/blue quality accessory, if you got legendary effects you are in purple/orange quality. Therefore I would not really count rare effects at all to this calculation, it is not for what you aim for, epic can be, but basically you are aiming to have mix legendary and epic effects and I am pretty sure that those will not make 10% chance per click. If we would go only for legendary chances and use bracelets as example (and I think it wont be far from truth) we will be talking more about 1% chance to get any of usable effects per click, let alone the BiS one. Also lets not forget, here it burns gold, on bracelets it is just silver, one thing is true and that you can sell/buy rolled accessory which is indeed good thing, but it will all depend on prices.
You can't compare this to rolling bracelets you drop. One costs silver the other costs gold. Doesn't seem like a negligibe amount of gold either. 3.6k to roll an accessory which's odds are weighed heavily on it being bad. When i built my roster with a 5x3+1 on like 93-97q average across all items its about 150k-200k tops. Let's call it 175k average, do you think you're getting 5 very good accessories within 49 attempts? And thats not even taking into account the materials required to even roll, so realistically you're getting less attempts than that. Can't be d riding this system before we know odds, acquisition rates etc.
Sir.. how much are you spending for the rng in the old system(mats and time)? And how much are you spending in the new system.. your argument is thrown in the trash. You're also potentially spending on something that will end up unusable. Just think about buying a bracelet and getting shit rolls. The cost of a well rolled bracelet would be absurd, if accessories are anything like that, its way worse.
I think there’s a bit of misunderstanding. I don’t think this video was ever about the cost but rather just the level of RNG. But if you didn’t want to roll accessories you don’t have to. Just sell the ones that start with a good line and scrap the others. And if u want good lines for yourself just buy the ones that rolled well in the market.
@MisoxShiru but the fact that people don't like rng , is because the cost and investing in something that can just delete gold. We'll have to wait and see if buying them is a viable strategy or just for whales.
before the vid I didn't care about the system, after the vid I hate it. Idc about the rng, you have to actively interact with it, that is a downgrade. essentially a glorified bracelet
Dude... rng on old accessories is "hmmm how much gold I can make?" Rng on new accessories is "hmmm how much gold I can loose?". That is difference, you can get good accessory to sell for just playing, you do not have to use single gold for that, that is impossible with this new system and I am VERY sure that % chances for good effects will be joke, most probably under 0,0something%. How is that good rng? And yes, chance to get good accessory in old system was very low, but it was free, when you were actually buying it, you knew exactly for what are you paying and you were able to do it pretty cheap. Also I am not sure what lead you to idea that same company which made old drop chances bad will create new system which is less bad...
This feels so much worse. You have to pay for the lines before you even want to sell it. The options are going to be weighted probably with different probabilities. The auto dismantle feature is going to be so bad if it isnt updated. Doesnt matter if the RNG is better, the experience interacting with T4 accessories seems so much more miserable. Hopefully, smilegate will be required to post the probability percentages for new accessories like they did for elixirs and bracelets as required by KR law. After comparing the slider size in mspaint, it looks like there is gonna be 84 options to roll into minimum. I rounded down to 6 pips of the scroll slider with 14 options in the window. The number of useable lines needs to be known to cast proper judgement. I'm not hopeful that the several good effects wont be weighted so much lower.
We will have to see about the rolling process itself but I feel like people will probably buy unrolled accessories if they start with a good line. Let’s say like Legendary Atk power or something. So I don’t think u necessarily have to roll it before you sell it. This is just an assumption tho and your assumption is as good as mine haha.
It is all just speculation. I do worry that with the pheon costs and the costs of rolling, The accessories will be extremely scarce. A 20k gold overhead kinda deters me from wanting to even buy accessories unless I know what I am getting. I would post even less as a seller. I guess trading to alts will be easier since we don't have the pheon costs for those.
Lets stop praising SG for crap systems. They literally made a new bracelet for us to reroll. Literally the worst system in game and they are making us upgrade them. As this game continues to go down this path of being extremely anti player and every announcement they make these streamers and paid actors keep saying what a great job they did. Lets just take a step back and be real. They announced T4 and that is good. However, they have not addressed any of the issues that people are complaining about. They nerfed elixers, they still take gold they still take insane amounts of time to cut. They are nerfing transcendence but same issue it still takes gold and take insane amounts of time to cut. They introduced new cards! what the actual F. Like this is one of the biggest pain points for new players and they add more. Lets just be real they don't care they will never care unless they have another mass exodus. I'm playing less and less since T4 got announced I do my thaemines and log off. Its just not worth anymore.
@@andysledge Solo mode more like bozo mode. The way people are talking about solo mode as the savior of lost ark? Dude just let people do gates they got jailed on. We have soloable content in this game and people don't do it aside from chaos dungeon.
