Tik Tok and dissonance do not mix 

Do you have relative or perfect pitch?

@@user-ck1kx5ie6t my buddy he's in principal bassist and a bunch of orchestras in South America had the most insane perfect pitch. I would literally play 10 random notes with both hands on a piano and he would be able to identify them all and tell me which ones were out of tune it was insane

Oh come on. Misogyny??? This has nothing to do with her sex. People just didn't like her style of singing. Why is it that people always jump to conclusions when a woman is criticized? Seems someone is brainwashed by feminist theories. The patriarchy is out to get them. That's ridiculous.

@@EbonyPope Agreed, he just put it in there for no reason

Interesting intonation in your Segway to nebula

@@--.._ keep trying buddy! I’m still a pretty crappy guitarist but you’ll develop calluses soon.

@@--.._ Don't worry mate, you'll get used to it. Besides, it's nearly all guitar playing that gives you the feeling, I think.

@@--.._ Power chords? Hard? You don't know the meaning of the word until you've played a C#minb7#9add13/E=mc².

@@samcohen8257 fxxk me 😩😞

@@--.._ don't worry, once you get used to em you will play them like nothing :), guitar takes time and lots practice

tiktok never fails to amaze me ... 🤦🏾‍♂️

Harassment online is complicated, because for the harassers it feels just as a single joke or opinion thrown away. It feels a lot worse for the harassed because it's coming from a ton of people at once. That's the problem with the internet, everything is amplified.

Sounds like a typical conversation between two musicians from opposite genres, nothing new

Well when your stew brain only knows 4 chords from hearing the same pop song on the radio 6 times a minute and not knowing anything about what youre listening to. I kinda get that when they hear something creative and not entirely polished autotuned and watered down that it might sound "bad" to them.

Imagine expecting a nuanced response from the tiktok majority, seems like a dubious proposition...

Agreed

I could have excused the backlash from people not too used to dissonance if it was dissonant all the way through but, like, the gal is just adding harmonic spice at some specific points and people have the gall to call it objectively ugly.

⁠@@Kimbieeverytime I hear the sound without the dissonance in a video I have to look up this video to listen to it again because I literally like it better

it sounds very interesting sadly she got a lot of hate😢

That part fucking slaps. Gives me Hayley Williams vibes.

That’s sadly mostly true, but we need to remember that not all young people are like that. I would consider myself a young person and love dissonance and harshness in music.

It’s my fundamental issue with TikTok as a platform and on a similar page, social media in general. The whole idea of a trend on TikTok just sees people copying and repeating the same idea over and over, rarely with any actual innovation or change to it. Like how many times do you see the same video but with someone else’s face mouthing the words over and over. Trends can insight creativity, but it’s the least creative ones that don’t change anything in the trend that tend to do the best.

It’s quite the opposite, actually. Nowadays, it’s popular to be non-conforming. In fact, it seems that everyone has this mentality that everyone else is conforming and they’re somehow the special one. But if everyone’s special, then no one is.

That's such a boomer thing to say and not really true anyway. It can be said the same about adults. Maybe the lesson from this is that there's a huge work to do with kids on harrassement, not stupid generalizations.

​@@bunsenn5064 i have to disagree. Although my perspective is narrow, at my school at least, those who appear to believe they are the 'special one' are ridiculed for thinking they're the 'main character'. At my school, it's narcissistic to think you're special, cringey to act different, but funny to act different if you do so ironically. There ARE plenty of non-conformers, but few who are half as respected by their peers as those who do conform. Conformers and non-conformers also rarely mix.

Eric Whitacre?

And us Bassist not knowing what part are we singing 😵

i loved it too, id have to hold back tears sometimes lol

ABSOLUTELY

Especially as a base you can feel the shift and it's fucking awesome. Ended up dropping chior but even now I really appreciate a lot of this stuff

along with 100 other people

Divine retribution

Makes it all worth it

The internet works in mysterious ways

@@Contributron I don't know about that. In an ideal world there wouldn't have been any harassment and still something interesting to discuss. I can't imagine getting dog piled like this, especially when you're this young. She honestly handled it amazingly. But, it is kinda sad that young women especially kinda don't have a safe space online to express themselves, without having to fear brutal dogpiling like this.

12:04 is one of the funniest things I've ever seen/heard/perceived and I love it so much

literally laughed out at the "locks"

Me too

Same

the future generations music taste worries me

@@bigpuff why?

@@awesomesauceyumyum this dissonance heard in the video literally makes me feel uneasy and nothing else

Monk, surely, had a great budget for piano tuning... ;P

i mean, who'd argue with Monk?

Stealing.

God, that’s the punchiest fuckin music quote I’ve ever heard.

Oh gosh, Monk's music is wonderful, no wonder this quote is just as good lol.

The reasons for it being obvious.

@@mito._ Obvious but wrong. I have about as much music training as you can get, and I think her harmonization sounds awesome, playing off tradition but still sounding fresh and audacious.

​@@stephen6691​ I think your opinion on the matter is no more valid than anyone else's. But the fact that you think your opinion makes you more "right" than others seems to indicate you don't understand what opinions are. I don't have to like pineapple on pizza, but I can agree that it's a valid topping. Similarly, the choice of harmonization here isn't "wrong" but it does make my stomach hurt. So yeah.

@Hooman Being That's the thing about reinforcing racial hierarchy. You don't have to do it on purpose to do it. It's all around us and we're indoctrinated into it. A fish doesn't know what water is.

@@michaellessel5532 wtf does music and harmonies have to do with white supremacy i am so confused

Very true, great words to describe it- it feels like the type of harmony you’d hear on broadway. Two characters arguing or expressing themselves pessimistically vs optimistically. Maybe not genius in all scenarios, and sure I will admit that it caught me off guard hearing it for the first time but- it’s not stupid or “wrong,” that’s for sure.

Eh, I think the harmony could've worked if her singing had been more refined and eerie. Falsetto, maybe? The delivery she chose gives meme vibes, it's like she's asking someone in the next room to bring her more chips

​@@GnomereginamIt's a TikTok, not a mixed track. It's karaoke. People are taking this way too seriously.

@@Tempo1337 Exactly, it's mediocre yet people were hating on it like crazy as well as worshipping it.

@@Gnomereginam Yeah. It's another example of emotional incontinence, or however you spell that word. Personally I think we could do worse than go back to the days of either "That was alright!" or "It's not my cup of tea". But instead, everything has to be either the most awsome thing ever, or the worst thing ever.

Most people are conditioned to think in black and white terms of right and wrong. It makes life much simpler

The intention of the musician matters. When they intend to create a dissonant harmonization, the work makes sense. When they're dissonant and intended to sound consonant, they need ear training.

Same people that listen to npc music like ava max and taylor

@@thepotatotaxi2430 Calling music “NPC” music and insulting people for listening to it isn’t any better. All music has value.

@@sharpeningtheaxe Monetary value < artistic value

Hmm yes I can tell your brain is humongous Cuz you need all that bulk to play video games 😎 Okno jk

Same, except for the last part Edit: jk

Must be a joke hey? No ones that vainglorious are they

@@BehappyBhairava Yes, it's a joke, my word.

It’s not advanced harmony anyway lmao.

Just because she was harassed doesn't mean we all need to enjoy her harmonization though. I think it's almost always worth keeping harsh opinions to oneself. But let's not be naive... the internet doesn't agree. Face-to-face, people whose songs (or art, poetry, etc.) I witness are probably connected to me socially. If I create tension with them, I experience tension myself. The internet isn't like this - we can create tension with random strangers and walk away from it scot-free. Everyone ought to know this. The people of the internet do not love me or care about me. They have no stake in my wellbeing. They are not incentivized to keep things civil or friendly. They are at liberty to disclose harsh opinions the likes of which they would not share in a real-world encounter. Perhaps they dislike having to repress their tongue in reality, and find relief using the internet as an outlet for their harsh opinions. It's no wonder internet encounters are often highly distinct from face-to-face encounters. We can cast our own severe judgement at those who are harsh online, but I think this is often a purely self-serving activity. It's no wonder the internet is the way it is. The people who make it this way are not accountable, nor can we rehabilitate them. They don't care about our judgement, or they don't notice it, or they're not smart enough to understand it, or they relish the excitement of it, or they relish the attention, or they relish the opportunity to emotionally impact yet another stranger. Those whose message here resembles "people should stop being mean online" - I wonder if you are seriously assessing (or invested in) the effect that your action here has on achieving your desired outcome? I'd like for you all to check out adam neely's other video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k3iDKsjSiIQ.html - the section I'm interested in starts at 2:56 mark, where adam is asked his opinion on a chord progression. At 4:37, he says "it sounds like a mistake to me". At 5:49 he says *make whatever artistic decisions you would like but an audience is going to listen to them with the expectations that come from genre and style* - this leaves me wondering why he seems reluctant, in this video, to simply accept that an audience rejected a decision based on their expectations. Lastly I want to make it absolutely clear: it saddens me that people treat each other so harshly on the internet (or anywhere).

@@gershommaes902 but not liking the harmony doesn't give you any reason to harass her though

@@gershommaes902 not liking her harmony is not a pass to harass her though

@@grecco4037 @q2 @grecco of course not, I hope I didn't imply such a thing! :)

@@gershommaes902 yeah, i was just pointing out something else!

Reminds me of the Arcade Fire song "Rococo"

DANGGGGG so true oh my god

That’s why only industry plants succeed in the modern industry

bro it is not that deep lmfao

@@maverickREAL it really is, though

It's just smug elitist nonsense

Saying a harmonization is "incorrect" is like saying a certain color is "incorrect" in an abstract painting. It's just a fucking nonsense idea.

u got it simon. There is no right or wrong in music. The 808s in Congratulations are detuned and it went platinum

this is the incorrect opinion. 😂 jk lol

I can sometimes understand the phrase when they're referring to the specific harmony used by the recording artist who wrote the song. Even then though... leave room for artistic freedom.

i really love this harmony, really fits the song.

Yep, it’s the not super great blending, rather than the notes.

i quite like the fact that its overpowering it in an artistic sense. the main melody is really beautiful and almost too perfect but the harmony brings about an ethereal vibe that feels uncanny as if the weight of the situation is creeping in while youre in a trance-like state from disbelief, slowly acknowledging the chaos as you pull away from the whimsical peace your mind put you in as means of protection (denial). rather than viewing it as overwhelming the main piece, i can see it as part of the subject itself and adding to the narrative. the slashing contrast between the comforting notes and eerie melody perfectly encapsulates my hypothetical experience in the event of an apocalyptic event.

@@jvhykx From that perspective, I do think it adds to it and I will concede there, but my choir-pilled ass goes "NO!!!!!! BLEND!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!" XD

@@jvhykxwell, ….that’s like your opinion, man

Yeah but every tiktok musician does that. That one bassist being the main offender

Best of all, I'm pretty sure TikTok allows for "mixing" of audio... all this would've taken for a frankly perfect duet is a reupload with her volume slider like, 5-10% down lol

Very good point, exactly what i thought too

Agreed. When I first heard it, it threw me off because of the sudden loudness of the audio- especially when I saw Tiktoks using the cover that, at the time, I didn't know about and wasn't expecting to hear. I do like it, but yeah, I do think it would be better if the volume was lowered.

i disagree so strongly it makes my stomach hurt

Yeah that was my thought. If she was a bit under the volume for the original it would mix a bit better

Ok but bob ross never painted in exclusively light yellow and white,

@@ticklesdust he probably could’ve if he was asked, he did a painting just in grey for someone who was colorblind.

a note like that is what Bob Ross would call a "happy accident" 😉

@@bradjtx That's not really comparable though, by using grey you can paint very precise values and the contrast just looks way clearer than by using white and light yellow. In fact, it is a very common digital art technique to paint in only grayscale and then put in the colors when you're finished setting the values, it's not unusual.

im sure he would've if one of those damn cosmic entities started painting in octamarine

i dont think people are against dissonance as a whole with the song, this all started because the glasses girl sang the dissonance very "interestingly" that didnt rlly blend with the song, her voice is still pretty awesome though.

Hard same. So much life.

Ahahahahah that comment made me laugh way too hard

Man I really like the comment about them sounding like they were singing to each other. I imagined it as higher melody being sax and home girls voice as trombone (my inst) and that's EXACTLY how what I would have went for in a duet. So rich 🥰

Gave me intense goosebumps, loved it

Me either, but not due to jazz. It was the dissonance and release. The dissonance increases, then partially resolves at the middle of the phrase--keeping that long note from feeling like the end--and then resolves completely at the actual end of the phrase.

It's definitely not ghost pepper spicy.

@@ItsMrBozToYou god please don't remind me of that

I fuckin' cackled; good job

Good, good. His work here is done, then.

Same

They probably would eat nuclear shit for DJ Khaled

I agree, but you see them a lot RU-vid too. Like the comments from twosetviolin's fanbase on any video with violin(played in an "unconventional" or historic manner) and over 10,000 views.

@@starsocks4736 Children are awesome, Children (on Tiktok who use the comment section) are awful

@@starsocks4736 I didn’t think about how generalized my comment was until you said, you’re absolutely right, I apologize.

@@starsocks4736 have you spent time with children lol??? Kids can be absolute jerks because they haven't developed the emotional maturity to have appropriate levels of response to things. If they don't like something isn't the worst thing ever. If a person is bad, they're the worst person ever. They haven't yet learned to think "I don't like that but it's not a big deal."

That's bullshit. Children are definitely not the majority of TikTok, nor solely the reason of it's toxicity. I've seen much of said toxicity in every platform over the years, specially RU-vid. That's just people being assholes

I could take the guy who made that. I’d be able to destroy him. Right upper cut, and it’s lights out.

It's like that nefarious "fixing people's art" Twitter trend made its way into music

Anyone got the link to said TikTok?

It makes my skin crawl 🤮 reminds me of the incredibly uncomfortable feeling of working with musical purists, something I'm never ever going to do again

idk why she didn’t just add it on. those both could work together

Me neither. Ignoring is always an option though. I'm surprised volume wasn't a factor. No harmonies I have created are equal in loudness.

but yes that too lmao

This was my exact reaction. Well almost, I was thinking, “Obey Wheaton’s Rule?”

Yeah. While I don't disagree with any of the things that Adam says in this video, I think his message is muddled, and that he places some of the most importance on some of the least important aspects of this situation.

He is a music channel so that's likely why he focused more about the theory

Lol

the industrial revolution and it's consequences; the main one being the internet revolution

In the immortal words of George Carlin: "Imagine how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." You shouldn't be shocked by idiots on the internet anymore, basically.

Idk it didn’t blend. Something was off. Maybe the volume of the two videos? It’s just the “lie with” that I can’t get

@@leviathan5908 that was my favorite part lol! it’s so cool how different brains interpret sounds in positive/negative ways

@@leviathan5908 it sounded great to me. Nothing was off.

What song are you thinking of? My only gripe with her harmonization is that it's too loud. Harmony is the bed. It should be heard, but not overpower it (overharmonization for example). If you really want to be strict about it, the harmony is not in the original piece and that's why it sounds "bad".

ur so right omg

Do not compare that to Vocaloid.

@@AllyFin don’t tell me what to do

As a TOOL fan, I agree with this this so much. :) Dissonance makes my heart swoon.

Absolutely! I am a sucker for anything dissonant and there's no better genre that uses it than extreme metal, sorry jazz!

@@GravyTraining you're a tool fan????:000000000000

@@esined2386 Massively.

@@GravyTraining Good on you bro, good on you...

That is a great plan and big mood

Big fan of jazz I take it lol

Welcome to Jazz

You're doing Good, Craig.

i learned something close to that from my old guitar teacher and its if you play the "wrong note" intentionally they will think its intentional and mixed with adamy neely's repetition legitimizes works pretty well

It used to be that the point of art was to depict beauty. Now, music, architecture, fashion, and literature depict ugliness and they tell us we’re rubes for preferring consonance.

@@SwordsmanRyan it's in human nature to want to be different or unique. Repeating something again and again gets really boring after a while. Art was always subjective

@@SwordsmanRyan You're not a rube for preferring consonance. You're definitely a rube if you think the purpose of art is to be pretty, though.

@@SwordsmanRyan If you think that humans should do art for the sake of it being “pretty” according to the current society's perspective, then shits gonna be hella disappointing for you.

ah, you know. People are trash, can't let other folk live their dang lives. Not liking somethin is not an excuse to harass random people on the internet but Tik Tok didn't get the memo

If is one voice its okay, just like you jump around with octave hands on a piano ;)

@@Gabe-ch2ol are you talking to me?

@@Gabe-ch2ol cause most of metal riffs are played moving the same power chord (1, 5, sometimes 8) shape around the fretboard and basically building a single voice playing parallel fifths and octaves. But rhis is okay cause those rules exist to emphasize voice independence, which is not what metal is looking for. Metal wants just one huge voice, because of that often the guitar is doubled an octave below by the bass and we have four line playing the same voice. Also the kick scans rhe rhythm of this voice.

That's part of the point, though. The rule is there because it sounds good, but metal was a genre born out of rebellion and rule-breaking. Parallel 5ths / octaves? Naked tritones? Check. Part of the in-your-face aggression is due to this rule breaking. It sounds harsh instead of sweet, but that's the point. In a way, the existence of that rule helped inform metal because you can't break the rules if there's no rule to break. This is also why it's important to learn the rules, so when you break them it's intentional and you know why you're doing it. Despite Adam's recent vendetta against western music theory, I doubt he would choose to ignore it if he could do it all over again. It's too useful of a system, even if you choose to subvert it.

@@bluesdealer I think it's more appropriate to analyze para5s in metal as as "line independence isn't completely necessary" than making the jump to "it's specifically because punk wanted to break the rules." There are plenty of theory rules that when you break em they just sound awful anywhere (horror soundtracks the exception)

Damn, I love jazz

yes! LOL

It sounds correct to me tho

@@AtanoKSi well what sounds correct or right is imho still very subjective when it comes down to music, so best to drop the focus on sounding correct altogether, i guess

The performance wasn't the reason behind the video; the reaction to it was. Neely likes to pretend as if people are being bigots when they criticise people for being 'out of tune', an interpretation that is perfectly natural given the musical background.

@@brzt4256 timestamp showing "Neely ... 'out of tune'"?

Such is a reactionary tribalistic community. Us vs Them mentality is sometimes dangerous

@Hacking On The Spectrum That's not true though. Racism hasn't always existed because the concept of race hasn't always existed. Human nature is more complicated than "us vs. them" and saying otherwise is simplistic and ignorant; mutual aid is a huge part of human existence, and I'd even argue it's much more important to our nature. Systematic oppression and cruelty exist because of systems and material condition, not because "humans are born evil." The hobbesian notion of innate human cruelty is as ridiculous today as it was during his lifetime.

@@IvanSN Prejudice against those who differ in appearance is human nature. Tons of research bears this out. Racism is just one example of this prejudice, and it existed long before the concept of race was codified. Those who look, sound, or act different are foreign and dangerous. Those who look, act, and sound familiar are safe. It's an innate human trait, and probably one that had survival advantages in the past.

@@sophielatterno6364 Prejudice is innately a human quality, but it doesn't innately define humans. We are more than capable of overcoming our prejudices

@@IvanSN Racism hasn't existed before the concept of race? That's... simply false lmao

It's chilling really

nah, it´s a cultural thing. People in Indonesia loves "beating" notes, the instruments are tuned in a way that they have dissonances less than 1/4 of a tone, so the people hear the "beats" between two notes when 2 musicians play at the same time. And of course their scales are different (the same happens with Arab or Turkish music and the maqam system. For westerns ears it sound "out of tune")

God, tell me about it

the internet is also a place where people like Adam talk about subjects like this and spread their passion and awareness about such singers

No.

Yo omicron love u Btw stop commenting on nusic theory videos and star uploading vids😠🤕

Well, she ain't living her life, she uploaded it to the internet. When you put something out in the public, you better expect at least a little negative feedback, especially if you're doing something against the cultural norms or whatever.

Yes, this is just how I felt when I heard it. I don't know a lot about music or anything, but her harmony adds such an edge of desperation to the gentle sadness of the song. I love that in places fiftyshadesofswag is overtaking the original. It feels like two people reaching out to each other, the original is delicate longing, while the harmony is anguished and determined, and at "locks in" they reach each other and come together.

Totally agree, I don't love dissonance in everything, but on a song about the world falling apart and love ending it suits it perfectly to realize in music form the emotions and make you resonate with them

It sounds lovely for me

@@PabloEmanuel96 this ❤️

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

It’s like everything has to be covered in sugar and sound smooth at all times

meanwhile metal can't get ENOUGH of it minor seconds, sharp 7ths, diminished fifths, etc. I've seen metal people add "dissonance layers" on top of their riffs as well; so woo!

because it sounds like literal shit?

if music didn't have ANY dissonance, there would basically be no point in listening to it at all...

@@expilectakunai difference between dissonance and trash

same thing as saying "you have the wrong opinion"

"correct" anything in music is pretty hard to listen to people talk about. Correct for the song maybe, correct for a specific genre maybe, correct overall? Never.

its an empty phrase because harmony is not a singular answer. this is phrase is of course used to describe the intervals that sounds better according to the maker. harmony is an opinion not a fact. and in my opinion it sounds pretty good the way it is.

Oh well, using that particular phrase instantly shows you know S**T.

I take it you are annoyed by Western classical music up until Debussy, then.

Literally my thoughts as I watch the whole vid

and chickenthighs 😂😂

or how people just butchered music terminology they didn't know to harass this girl like-

Welcome to Gen Z on social media. This is said as someone from Gen Z, social media is fucking unbearable any time somebody makes something that could even be perceived as a mistake.

​@@blarghinatelazer9394 It only seems like Gen Z because those are the people that mainly use tik tok. Seriously, go to any music video popular with any other generation on youtube and you will find smug people being unbearable. It's how a lot of people act behind the protection of their computer/phone screens. Human nature transcends arbitrary generations.

@@harryiii3361 It's easy to behave like an asshole when there's no risk of being punched in the face.

@@harryiii3361 boomers have awful takes on music so I agree with you

Fr

To be fair all of europe has a quite diverse sound. From bulgarian like in the video. To hungarian. Greek. Spanish. Just a whole lot of sounds. I think a "germanic" sound is what most westerners think sounds good

F*ckn Jake

@@larsheuker that was informative, thanks

this made me cackle 😂

Apparently he believes that they only hate women?

@@jaimeduncan6167 I don't believe that was what he said.

@@noahmay7708 IF the reason they piled on her is misogyny then yes, that is what he say. Misogyny is real, so for example, if they called her the c word clearly that is a misogynistic attack, or they say stuff like "only a woman" etc. He could have say "she was insulted and degraded including misogynistic attacks" that will be different and I guess (based on my experience) correct. The examples he quote were from people telling her that her art was ugly, and that happens to men and women, and if one put his art online it comes with the territory. I agree that not pushing the like button is more than enough but one know how it goes:haters gonna hate.

@@jaimeduncan6167 again… that is not what he said

@@jaimeduncan6167 I'm pretty sure he just meant misogyny played a role in people's hatred of her singing because for some people that'd be like the cherry on the top, for instance thinking she isn't as attractive as the girl on the right and/or her singing voice isn't as elegant as the girl on the right and/or her singing came off as obnoxious instead of attractive and other misogynistic reasons like those, and those misogynistic reasons further justify hatred towards her singing.

Literally what? The way all of that is in your head and not a reason to be angry at her?

What’s wrong with the first part??

That's exactly what I was thinking and I completely agree with the video that she isn't singing in the same style as the cover artist is. Her voice is more coarse, and while on its own I think it holds intense emotion, once combined it gives this very disjointed feeling. In the second verse her singing with the cover aligns and I think shows what the dissonant cord can really bring to the table.

4:39 explains why you feel that way, "lie with" feels a lot spicier

I like all of the parts

@@OskarSvan loud and annoying

But is Adam's explanation as to why it is sufficient?

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer yes, yes it is.

@@johnangelfritzbaylon5327 How? Because they are all informed by a meta-narrative that supports white supremacy? How does he know?

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer nah, just they're unintentionally holding on to what was enforced thousands of years ago. Hes just theorizing anyway, because none of those people who say it's bad can even say why anhway

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer it's not "bad" because it's bad, it's "bad" because it doesn't conform to rules that people have grown up with and had their tastes shaped by. And when they hear something that steps outside of that, instead of going "oh cool" or "oh weird" they act like she's in the wrong, that the music is objectively Incorrect the broader point is that some white european dudes hundreds of years ago decided what was correct/good and what wasn't, and their rules are still embedded in musical culture today. To the point where people with or without theory knowledge hanging out on tiktok are rejecting anything that doesn't follow those rules or fit with that style, all being the music police

Jazz is a black genre, black people are categorically excluded from "Western"ism, which is really just code for whiteness on purpose through centuries of racism. So, yes, from the perspective of Westernism, jazz is *at best* a joke.

@@pastellexists Wut? Jazz was made by Black Americans so they aren't Western while Country Folk made by White Americans is Western? You do know Jazz and the Blues which you may consider "black" is the foundation of modern pop music? You would essentially be cutting out a significant number of genres from being classified as Western because they are Jazz or Blues inspired.

yeah, he was probably trying to say western european

western isn't euphemism for "white", but Jazz was founded on negation and breaking the norms, as well as bold experimentation.

@@pastellexists Not considering black Americans western seems kinda... idk racist? Tad bit

Can't have dissonance in my straight pop background ballad about death by atom bombs.

its also about donald trump and theresa may being in love, which makes me as uncomfy as dissonance does so theres that lol

its so weird because reverb/dissonant remixes are HUGE on tiktok, its why the video went viral in the first place (it resonated with most users who got it shared on their FYP). The people flooding the comments with hate were just honestly jealous babies. I'm glad Neely decided to make a video on this

@@kamalei2888 nooo stop

Yes i agree

yeah, i think it went hard af. super powerful stuff

I was trying to put that into words, thanks for doing it for me 4 months in advance!!

Yeah I personally dont enjoy the first part of the harmony, but the end is fantastic.

also it's not meant to be a pro quality singing job, just for fun.

I actually assumed it was purposely crunchy at the beginning. Thought the "wide vowels" were her emphasizing that rub, kinda like a timbral stank face

I completely agree! In my opinion, conventional pop progressions (like the overused I - II - IV - V - I progression) are the bland 'just salt and pepper' seasoning of the music world. For this video, I would say the spice level of the harmony is like bird's eye chili. (because it's unfamiliar to the Western palate) You either grow to love it or hate it.

You don’t want a meal made entirely of spice though

maybe she should have sang an octave higher, like adam said

@@TheDionysiac Timbral Stank Face the name of your second album?

very satisfying release tbh

Yeah, it sounds super powerful. My only "issue" is the "lie with" part, it sounds a little off to me, but I like the rest a lot. Tbh, I like it all, but the "lie with" part the least, although it's growing on me whenever I hear it. ~~Although the way she moves her mouth as she's singing looks funny~~

@@konstant_ly for me it's just when she sings "that I'', it really sounds like she's out of tune (not because it's dissonance, it really is pitchy). Also, her voice is too loud and too sharp so it doesn't blend well

Right, I think its more about that payoff on the release and pushes through so perfectly.

That's the point of the dissonance

I'm a curious noob, can anyone please explain that clip for me?

@@cheesecakelasagna Well, I am not exactly an expert myself, but Schoenberg was a German composer who was one of the first to experiment with using the 12-tone technique. It meant that, in the piece, all 12 notes the chromatic scale are sounded as often as one another to prevent the emphasis of any one note. The dissonance that came along in his pieces also made his music sound quite 'unusual', in a sense. An example of this would be his 3 Piano Pieces Op. 11. It is an acquired taste, but if I was to recommend any of his music, it would probably be his violin concerto or verklärte nacht.

@@dzordzszs iirc that's enforced in Schoenberg's technique specifically by basically writing out multiple permutations of the 12 equal tempered notes. So when taking chunks of 12, every pitch will be included exactly once. I assume the joke is how atrocious this usually sounds to many.

@@jonathanscherpenbach9913 yes

If there's any takeaway from this video its go and listen to some schoenberg if you have not

yeah that’s my favorite part too!! so haunting. it’s gorgeous

Probably because it’s not “haunting” in a subtle way but sounds like it’s trying to achieve that effect in a very obvious and ham-fisted way. Of course nobody deserves to be bullied, of course dissonance can lead to beautiful music, of course we should praise people who strive to make art… but this tiktok was nothing special and I found it annoying after the third listen. I’ll defend the girl for being brave enough to put herself out there, but not for making good music.

@@charliesaint you sound like if somebody touched you, your skin would melt at the point of impact

@@solarprogeny6736 not very popular, are you

@@charliesaint I don't think "you're not very popular" is an exhortation you can reasonably make after writing a whole paragraph about how a Tiktoker's harmony wasn't subtle enough for you.

True lol

@Tournel Henry because of ADD brains like mine. I hate it, but it's who I am xD

It reminds me of those relationships when partners think they're on the same page but neither realizes yet that they're saying the same things but meaning something different- it's kind of an eerie subtle meaning

YES there is something very Sondheim to it! Eerie & sentimental at the same time.

Matches the seemingly sweet but ultimately dark lyrics as well. Without this harmony, it's just too sweet and typical.

i immediatly thought of a relationship dynamic in which one girl is soft and delicate and the other is dark and brooding. to me it definitely sounded like they were addressing each other. it definitely has that "beautifully tragic" sound

It is an emotionally rich interpretation: I really love this idea.

omg that video was so great

Yup, its not untrue. I guess thats one reason why so many of his fans tend to be musicians themselves. He has grown on me quite a bit, though his extreme genius was NEVER in question. A rare case where being such a know it all is mostly a good thing. 😂 & I had always thought my theory was "pretty solid" till I discovered JC.

@@realcygnus hes dope. Makes me wanna learn music theory 🤔

yes and no

@@yukitakimoto1668 No and Yes

Great point. I've seen another video with someone singing the same dissonant harmony, but it wasn't as loud as it was in the original. The quieter one was far nicer on the ears. Goes to show how important production and mixing is.

You wouldn't want an augmented octave to marry your sister.

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I shouldn't have, but I laughed 👏👏👏

what a lovely place huh?!

I was thinking the same thing, narratively works wonders, as it makes the line "atom bomb" even more impactful.

omg I know it just felt so dynamic

Jacob Collier does it on purpose. He knows exactly what he's doing and you can like it or not, but that is what he feels about his original songs. She's doing something "wrong" and she's not aware of it. That's the difference.

@@oalsecnev1 I know Jacob Collier does it on purpose. Hence the sentence before I mention him. I was implying that it's part of Jazz itself. I'm not sure she did unintentionally. She may not have known that it was dissonance but she may have just thought it sounded good which I tend to think it does. To me it sounds much more sincere and has more feeling behind than the normal harmony that the one guy sang does. The fact of the matter is, she was bullied because she used a non traditional form of harmony that people aren't familiar with which is not right.

@@McGriddle69 idk I don’t care about music theory but I think it sounds shitty

@@McGriddle69 well yeah, she could've done on purpose but I think she's didn't know she was creating a dissonance. I think it sounds bad and the reason it's just inside the name: it's a dissonance. I might find it interesting but it's just not pleasing to my ears, and Adam explained very well why. Of course, it wasn't fair bullying her.

I know man, where are the good old days when she would be harassed because she is fat?

Yeah, when she gets to "atom bomb" it sounds great, idk what it is about the first part that is hard to listen to. Maybe she's singing a bit harshly? The last part is hauntingly dissonant in a cool way.

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Hey give me your thoughts on this. What if she stayed on that one note she sang during 'lie' for 'with'? and then flit to a D, maybe?

@@esined2386 not sure if u meant me but i personally dont know anything about keys/notes/whatever u call it so i have no idea how that would sound :( but "lie with" is the only part that sounds pretty bad imo so maybe it would make the whole thing go together better? less of a clash?

@@chloe2270 Haha I left that comment out for anyone who'd give their thoughts! I'll try it out on the piano and see how it goes or smthn

Let's upvote this comment, please

And Georgian polyphony! Stravinsky's favourite.

Yes please!

Yes pls

Aram Khachaturian!

Bulgarian girls gave me Lost Boys vampire vibes. lol

Poor man just wants a tasty banichka guilt-free.

Jazz king of Bulgaria: Adam Neely