The Problem with Autotune on TikTok 

Melanie Martinez is a great example of how to use auto tune

I loved your ad transition!

You got an awesome singing voice at 14:41

Why your rooom always looks like you just moved ?

Respect for the hella smooth ad transition, damn Gabi!!! You have no idea who I am but you are literally the female version of me. Nice job slipping in the "Ancient Aliens: The Ultimate Evidence" reference by the way. Keep being awesome💪 Ps. Bass guitar in the background is SOOOO 😍😍😍 Pss. Im not creepy, peace and love from Richmond, VA

Singing skill is directly proportional to your distance from the earth's core

Because mainstream top 40 told them so

To look "hipster"

It seemed so natural to me that I never questioned it until this comment. I sit on my piano or on top of my desk when I sing. I have never questioned it. I think it might just be love of drama?

It's just a Tik Tok thing. People try to look as whimsical and whacky as possible for entertainment purposes, I guess.

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this made me cackle

@@ville__bot btw don’t believe him

​@@neff6185I reported it for child abuse.

@@Yodalemosdon’t do that you’re flooding the child abuse report with false reports just report for spam

Hi Elyse. 💕👑

ELYSEE HIII

I mean it's internet, it's almost all lies it's hard to find good content now it's way worse with tiktok and everything (love your content tho)

"Of course its authentic, it's made with real vocals"

"Try our new Mac and Cheese pasta authentico! Made with real cheese!" Kind of vibes LMAO@@TAP7a

Good one 🤣

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Downright hilarious

And that’s not what perfect pitch means. You could be a terrible singer and have perfect pitch

Goin thru this rn lol its even worse cuz im half deaf so these covers make me feel so insecure bout my voice :/

that's why i love isolated vocals or diy music or the earlier music of artists. it's realistic and it kinda calms me down and manages my expectations

something funny about that is sometimes this type of thing creates a weird phenomenon where musicians end up developing certain stylistic traits when they practice or perform, directly as a result of hearing technically enhanced music. Best example is extreme metal drummers. Drums became so heavily quantized on records that people ended learning to play that way. Modern metal drummers are atomic clocks now, super precise with little swing. Neither good nor bad, just an interesting observation

​@@xsubjxwhat does "little swing" mean?

Exactly!

many such cases

Some of those makeup tutorials are downright frightening too. It's like "watch as we transform grendel the witch that eats children's souls, into gal gadot, using only the power of 500 dollars worth of makeup."

Or those perfect bodies achieved with plastic surgery?

I'm a natural beauty who never wears makeup... I look like Chewbacca's cute sister, but I am real.

Or the software available to make a girl look really pretty on phone chat. It's fake and dishonest.

I see what you did🤭

Amen. I never realized that social media really was affecting me like that, by setting unrealistic expectations in my singing.

It not unreachable... Most people just don't put in the effort to reach it. So they rrsort to autotune and photoshop lol. But many photoshopped body are 100% attainable.

Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.

​@@EbonyPope I agree with you. I mean, it's a good tool for tweaking minor things here and there from an otherwise good take, but I hate it when it's used for faking talent. We live in a time, where it's more important to get instant attention than getting recognition for actually being good at something. Less people are willing to put in the effort, because faking it is so much easier.

@@zamppa1 I would argue not even for minor mistakes it should be used. A mistake is a mistake. If it's life tough luck if it's in the studio redo the take until at least passable. If not just accept it not being abel to turn out perfect. What is this obsession with making everything flawless?

t-pain's cover of tennessee whiskey is INCREDIBLE he's so good. i would've gone into him in particular more in this video but it would've gotten off topic pretty quickly

​@@itsgabibelle it's absolutely fabulous! That and the medley where he sings soulful covers of his most popular songs❤❤

Agreed. In my opinion, imperfect voice sounds even better. Sometimes the little mistakes sound good!

​@@NeidenHalffur I love when artists voices crack live, especially during emotional songs!

@@HighAsHeckPriestess SAMEEEEE I love how you can sense their feelings! I love it when they keep that in the studio version, it is rare but it happens

One problem I have with pitch correction ESPECIALLY in a choir setting is that it's often...less perfect. It's one thing to tweak notes that were sung slightly off pitch, but not all chords should be locked into equal temperament by software. Really good choral groups will intentionally sing some chords with intervals that line up with the overtone series (equal temperament approximates the overtone series, but some intervals like the major third deviate quite a bit). This tuning is also one of the things that gives barbershop singing its characteristic ring. I wonder if this is the thing you're noticing that's missing in autotuned harmony.

I guess I should also add that I really don't mind a lot of the uses for pitch correction - it's just one of the many tools in modern music production. But it can really take the life out of certain types of music.

I've worked for a sound design company that auto-tuned songs for a major production company (rhymes with pissney), and we were specifically instructed not to auto-tune the choir parts too heavily because it can easily sound off, unnatural and phase-y since you don't get the *chorus* effect from a choir when everything is pitch perfect. It's interesting that a similar video hasn't been made about the culture of pitch-correction in children's cartoons and the like since auto-tune is also heavily used here... but I guess that's the difference between amateurs and pros. Pros know when to dial it back so that it's juuust unnoticeable enough for a general audience.

Yes. The people in these videos sound horrible. Thinking this sounds good is insane to me.

​@@Ojja78Agreed. They sound "clearly talented", in a way that kind of makes you hear what "should have been", instead of "what was"; but, it's just too annoying, knowing what "should have been" got replaced by unnecessary editing.

Studio Quality? Not really. Smashed, brickwalled, edited and pitch corrected to oblivion. It sounds bad. Really bad.

NO SAME I WAS PRACTICING EVEN HARDER AND BEING HARDER ON MYSELF FOR THAT

Every time I sing I get so discouraged bc of this (I’m not a good singer, but I’ve been trying to get even decent and tiktok isn’t helping)

Same. I actually just knew such thing even exist today from this video 😅

They wouldn't be on tiktok if they were actually good. Dead giveaway

@@SlashCampable not really- yes it is common knowledge that social media is deceiving. However, it can still be hard to distinguish between certain forms of entertainment on there like singing, playing an instrument or so on. It still catches people off guard regardless.

Two worlds colliding!

It's not just the incorrect usage but the fact that they are basically lying to their audience by acting like they don't use it/hide they used autotune

Hi Troy :>>>>

@@anarecinos1590 are they hiding or just not announcing it?? No one complains when models don't disclose if they're wearing make up, why give a shit abt auto tune? A.k.a. a literal tool.

@@ember9361mods are expected to wear make up horrible analogy

Which is why I often hate a lot of common "solo" acapella videos where it is just one person and it is clearly pitched corrected so it sounds so uncanny.

@@parkerpope1163don’t know too much about music as I’m still learning, but how do you have a solo a cappella. Isn’t the only difference between a cappella and choir a lack of instruments?

@@luckystarplays1837 the videos of people overlaying different parts of an acapella arrangement but it is just one person.

@@parkerpope1163 ohhhhh. Gotcha.

And barbershop harmony sometimes even detunes some notes just enough to get those harmonic textures. Its really neat

Current culture? Lmao "you're just jealous" has been the comeback of faked video supporters since like 2006

This also goes kind of interestingly in the other direction. Alex Rudinger is a professional death metal drummer who plays with almost perfect quantization because he grew up listening to heavily edited drum recordings, and forced himself to practice until he could sound like that!

Alex is 32, you sure you're not thinking of Clay Aeschliman?? I don't think those early 2000s metal bands like SOAD, Slipknot, Lamb of God, and A7X quantized their drums, and I know Clay said that very statment in an interview before.

@@xSaintxSmithx Nile or Ulcerate would be closer to what he was talking about if I had to guess

​@@andrewibarra3101I get your point, but that's something almost impossible for a singer to do in every note, every word. I mean, it's not natural. So yeah, I get the point but it's not comparable.

​@@illotree a natural talent is absolutely a thing but its often confused to things it is not. everyone has their 10 000 hours. absolutely everyone. the scenario here is that some just can read the roadmarks better than others. still has everything to do with the 10 000 hours, but some can progress on that road just "better" due to some advantage. i´m still shit myself, but these days some disagree due to advantages i´ve gained from my eartraining.

Or the fact you can literally hear the auto tune....

Well, SOME performers can do that I believe. Michael Jackson, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga the one Super Bowl. I’ve seen at least one performance from each of them fully dancing and singing. But they are INSANELY talented singers and very hard workers to get there. They have like superhuman breath control to do that lol

@@mattbarachko5298 they are great but not perfect. The zero cents thing is hard. Even vibrato will make that line wave even when in tune

@@Launibu yeah but it’s honestly preferable not hearing perfectly in tune notes. More human. You almost never hear Freddy Mercury singing out of tune but if you load a vocal take into Melodyne you’ll see he wasn’t dead on the notes

@@mattbarachko5298 I do agree. I would prefer non perfect vocals as long as it's live.

I was thinking about that too with the car videos. You're not getting a recording that clean with a giant, curved pane of glass in front of you.

Yeah it’s deeply obvious (if you know about acoustics or editing, I mean) how hyper-edited the whole thing is yet it’s presented as if this is raw video of them just hanging out and deciding to sing for fun. The dissonance is incredibly annoying if not straight-up unethical. I’m so sick of Tiktoks presented as candid when they’re staged, edited, and not at all honest. It’s modern day equivalent of magazine photoshopping everyone into uncanny perfection in the 2000’s. It just tricks the average person into feeling lesser than.

Sorry for commenting as I watch, but that’s probably why they cut mid-chorus. It “feels” more authentic that way, if that makes sense. Like they just ‘happened’ to catch it on camera, you know?

I hate that these people are selling it as real, like what happened to old covers in a bedroom with a visible microphone? Autotune would've been more forgivable in that scenario.

I use to say “anytime you see a microphone, there’s the potential for the vocal to be edited, or lip synced”, and that’s not even true anymore lol. I use to looove seeing my favorite bands doing acoustic videos and live performances that weren’t touched up. It was great to see how these humans sounded naturally. Not in a judgy way, I just love studying that stuff and it also was like having 2 versions of the same song, the perfect version and the human version. Now everything is touched up because it has to be or else people who don’t understand comment about how the singer sounds bad live. I’ve seen singers who are in the top 5% of singers in the world be called not that good for performances that weren’t edited. And look I’m not saying the singers themselves are bad for following the trend. Hell, I’m a singer in a band and I run tuning live too. But I’m not trying to fool anyone. I’m not shooting videos in my kitchen pretending it’s live when it’s not lol.

because im too lazy to learn music editing

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Being called a hater usually means you're correct though

Any artist who uses autotune is a joke

💯👏 that’s my pet peeve with autotune

@@tiffanywyatt5137i get what you’re tryna say but just so you know almost every artist uses autotune. thats why mixing and mastering is a job.

@@tiffanywyatt5137You need to move on from the past bud

Using autotone is like a filter. It look nicer but the mirror tells you it's a lie everyday. So what's the point in making a sound so perfect if it's not you.

I think the problem is the stigma on the flip side. Like I would totally do steroids if I wanted to look like The Rock and I would be shocked if The Rock didn't ALSO take steroids (in addition to what I'm sure is a stringent exercise routine)... but if The Rock came out and said "Yeah, I get hired to do roles because people like my buff body and I help achieve that with steroids" I think his career would be over... even though we all know it's true. Taylor Swift can't come out and say "oh yeah I pitch correct my music because I want it to sound perfect and sometimes my voice doesn't do what I have in my mind for what I want the final product to sound like" I think people would turn against her (though, actually probably a bad example considering the loyalty her fans have for her... but maybe Adel or P!nk or something). I realize the need to recognize the purity of the sport or the purity of the art but also recognize that a lot of the art ISN'T pure and that we should have an open and frank conversation that. Because even when we think someone is doing sports "pure" they are actually spending money to train at high elevations and then hooking themselves up to oxygen and doing creatine or whatever is the not-illegal supplement of the moment. In music these people who "aren't autotuning" are still manipulating the music and/or recording right up to that line.

@@teamcoltra sounds like a you thing. I love being human and if we could see how lucky we actually are to be “flawed” at all no one would do that stuff.

@@teamcoltrapitch correction + picking the best takes is industry standard, what would be more disastrous would be lip syncing (not just backtrack) on tour

@@spacebar9733 but that doesn't even hold up on logic: We started with singers who were not pitch correcting or using creative editing. Every singer on Earth by default sings uncorrected. The market has said "we prefer the artists who enhance their vocals" if it didn't they wouldn't be so popular. Even the examples people felt betrayed that this group of kids on TikTok who they liked actually autotuned their music... But when they thought it was natural they liked it. This group is succeeding where others fail because despite us saying we don't like it our collective preference is clear.

Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.

Who?

@@haileygrace1924i assume cady

Yeah true, but I do think it actually sounds great (I’m assuming you are talking about Cady/Angourie) and also, she has admitted to being very insecure about her singing compared to the Auli’i and Renee, so there is probably some autotune on there. Next time I hear it I’ll listen closely, but I don’t remember it sounding robotic

Pretty much every character in that movie had their vocals overproduced and compressed to hell. It sucks that this is the norm now in popular music.

@@GuntWastelander i’m biased as fuck (and they for sure auto tuned it in a way that kinda pissed me off) but the girl who plays regina is a very naturally gifted singer

PEDs?

@@helsbelsss Performance enhancing drugs (e.g., steroids)

@@helsbelsss PED stands for performance enhancing drugs

Performance Enhancing Drugs ​@@helsbelsss

@@helsbelsssperformance enhancing drugs

really? its been a trend for 20+ years lol

I make beats in FL Studio and yeah it's pretty much everywhere 😂

@@TheBanana93 It been a trend but the software has never been as accessible as now as well as we're seeing it a hundred times more because of the constant barrage of social media content being thrown at us.

In my experience it's almost always present in any professional or complete production. But it's a matter of how much. 10-20% correction on some notes it's normal. but the entire song at such an intense level is bullshit and not normal. Or even just, a professional musician with records and shit, I don't think shorts that are intensely auto-tuned should be posted tbh. Shorts should be for your unrefined voices. If you need to auto-tune for your productions cool but idk...shorts aren't albums.

99.9% of modern pop is autotuned, but its less obvious because the producers know they cant go absolutely nuclear on the autotune because most people will notice it

I’ve only taken voice lessons for about a year, but yeah I noticed the poor technique right away. The neck tension is what stood out to me (because that’s my problem)

Another voice teacher here… Agreed. My kids come in expecting to belt perfect high notes while they’re all crouched and crunched, with a barely-open mouth the way they see on TikTok. We have to spend a ton of time correcting physical habits AND their ideas that they’ll never be as good as the person on screen. 🫠

Yup, as a former theater kid and a nursing student I called BS the moment I saw them hunched over like gremlins. You need good posture to get good breath support, this is vocalist 101.

I am a coach who specializes in belt technicque and yea... theres a few of them who I can clearly see are hurting their voices.

YES! Same here! It's so frustrating as a voice teacher trying to instill healthy technique and encourage students to find their own beautiful voices. WE know this is fake, that these performers are deceiving their audiences, but so many of our students hear them and just get so discouraged, even when we explain all of this to them. It is like photoshop for the voice and it makes me sad to see it becoming so rampant.

Or when used to change to a really deep pitch like JID on the intro for “Westbrook”

I mean "sound good" is a bit questionable lol

Yeah, when I think of a good stylistic use of auto-tune, the intro to 24k Magic comes to mind. It's clearly pitch corrected, and nobody cares because that's the point. It adds a cool electronic note to it, that you wouldn't really get without it.

Kanye West did this best on his 2008 album 808s and Heartbreak

this! autotune is a tool, not a crutch

Do people have to be so dramatic with their hands and shit when they sing? U sound like you know your shut and I can't stand that passionatr/dramatic bs

😂 Facts 🎉

I mentioned Adele was singing prior to losing weight and climbed up on the higher plank and her whole rang and voice changed to where she went meta and said "Yea im a big ass girl who's out of breath, be patient" 😂😂😂

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed this 😂 I'm not even a singer, but I thought it was very sus when they climbed up there!

That's Darren Criss from Glee. Honestly, these is the least worst thing that EXTRA AF theatre kid has ever done.

I hated it then when they were doing it, and I hate it now when tiktokers do it

I was a fan of pentatonix back in like 2012, but It was always funny to me how Kevin (the beatboxer) would be filmed performing into a single mic, but the beatboxing itself sounded like a fat, stereo, professionally recorded drum kit. Was always the least realistic part of their mixing

their vocals always sounded so straight, flat and lifeless. idk how anyone ever considered it good live singing

@@meriwoo7382 Tbh, Pentatonix are insanely talented, but the mixing and mastering of their songs always feels too much to me, and the bigger they've got, the worse it's become. Just way too much gloss to the point where their songs don't feel natural at all.

oh fuck you’re right 😭

Rewatched this exact spot 3 times cuz omg comedy

It definitely made me cackle out loud in my car 😅

Made me both gasp and cackle 🤭😂

I feel that so hard. My unpacked moving boxes made it months in my bedroom 😂

@@lerat5978exaclty 😂 it’s so nice to see a RU-vidr that keeps it real

@@lerat5978 except for her bilocation popping out of the back door

The boxes are probably staged... to look like not to care 😂

It's definitely not a backdrop and she doesn't try to climb onto anything 🙏

Surgery or ozempic. You are so right - perpetuating an unattainable standard, our perception of the standard of normal shifts, and that just sucks for all of us.

​@@bonesonstones1Unattainable? By what metric?

@@ohreally1997unattainable meaning most people can’t get the exact build they want naturally even with intense muscle training

literally drives me nuts as a singer since no one sounds like that irl and all the comments of those tiktoks are just compliments when they likely have put in less work than most live performers

​@@ohreally1997unatainable because you cant work well while starving yourself

It aint meticulous, they just import the audio and slide pitch to max accuracy

i dont think they care enough, its probably when they didnt get the perfect note length so they just mashed two takes together

because they are still rookies. and that's ok

upvoting like i know what this means

Honestly I'd bet you money they don't really know anything about vocal editing beyond the fact they can slide the notes around. And someone armed with that power and no knowledge on how to use it right I'd bound to make something that sounds awful. Lessons from my production degree years lmfao

It’s also not something everyone knows is even a thing. The kitchen having reverb I mean

@@DeathnoteBBalso, one of them holds a speaker in one of the videos 😭

​@@ville__ bot alert

right? it's so unrealistic

@@ville__ dude wtf I've seen you in the comments of at least 4-5 different react youtubers. are you trying to be the bot version of just a guy with a mustache or something?

This is what people need to realize! They are actually great singers! People are using this to justify calling them talentless but nah folks. These people can SING. You can't sing like shit and make it sound this good with any tech

Exactly. Imo it doesn't add anything but rather takes away from their natural great human voices with personality.

Just like how filters are in selfies.

They are better without

​@@artiepov512 so their voices suck and sound nothing like that?

Agreed

You should check out Caroline Polachek's album Desire, I want to Turn into You

​@@Stormy_Cloud That album is a pop masterpiece!!!

Like Tom Waits?

@animeroxxie she's even better in concert. I saw her twice. First time as an opener for Dua Lipa, second time as headliner. Now she is in my top 5 favorite artists.

100% If I take a photo of someone in grindgy lighting that makes them look pale and tired you bet Ill put a lil warm filter on top to make them look like WHAT THEH ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE which is often much better than the unedited photo shows.. but Im not about to change their actual face/skin/whatever

Yassified 💅🏾

yup!! like it's fine to use it to remove a couple pimples and make the lighting look better but when you start actually changing people's features esp without disclosing it is when it becomes a problem

​@daaishifeeling so glad to see this, I feel like I look significantly worse in photos than I do in person. There's so much added texture on my skin which like naturally yes I have texture, but I've never had a lot of acne or scars. It enhances things that are there but you wouldn't notice if you were looking at someone in person. And the post processing it what does it, I look fine in the viewfinder but then when the photo is enhanced after I take it, its all grungy. So sometimes I will smooth my skin in places that are unflattering. Or even out the tone in places. I see no issues with anyone adjusting the photo to be a more accurate representation of what features you would actually be looking at in person rather than highlighting any kind of texture or redness that you wouldn't notice at ALL if you were there irl

THISSSSSS

The cringe is unbearable. If cringe aggression isn't a thing, then I'd like to introduce it. I'm nowhere near a singer, but this type of stuff makes me really angry because I do enjoy music and singing.

My choir teacher hated when we crossed our arms when singing she’d flip seeing this bad posture

@@no.reply_my choir teacher literally stops class to fix everyone’s posture. 💀

@@no.reply_ THATS WHAT IM SAYING MY SINGING TEACHER WOULD FLIP

It also has a lot of between notes (idk what you call it) like it doesn't go straight from a f# t D, not staccato, but your voice has to adjust up to it so the wav would have kinda curves on them

It should be a crime 👿

Take me to church is one of my favorite songs of all time. I've listened to it no less than 400 times and I RECOILED when I heard it because it sounds so flat and lifeless. Take Me to church is Not a song to autotune.

@@julianlaresch6266 what you described are called embellishments. so yes, you are correct

@@xAxCx I think he rather means things like sliding up or down to a note, where there's moments when you are in between pitches.

It’s just you

i agree w/ u

@@agirloncrack4413 hundreds of people liked their comment so clearly it's not just them

Exactly, I’ve always hated the perfectness of the auto tune sound

I have no problem with autotune, but it has its place. The same is true for processed drums, for example. EDM, trance, and dubstep etc. use percussion that's exactly on beat, and if it was even a little bit off it would be weird. In genres with real human players, you want the slight imprecision to make it feel organic, usually. Even then, there are genres (mostly modern ones) that benefit from the unnatural perfection that can only be achieved digitally, which trades the organic feel of human familiarity with the out-of-this-world perfection of computers. (This is for example the case in certain modern metal productions that have lots of layers and intricate parts). It's all about when it is and isn't appropriate to use, as well as what you personally prefer.

True dat! Seriously!!!!!

@@poptartbarbie Then you should expect to be exposed and criticize on tiktok as well. Don't expect people to not dunk on you.

You do know that AutoTune does nothing for people that can't sing? They still must have insane voices to make it sound like that.

@@xXKariXxOS this is only partially true. They only have to be able to hit the pitch, but they don’t have to have “insane voices” like you said

​@@WilshaffnerYou kinda do have to be really good. There's a lot that goes into sounding good besides just pitch, and like you say you need pretty decent pitch to sound good autotuned anyway. That said, nobody is saying these guys aren't great singers, it's just they are dishonest, and as stated in the video, just use pitch correction really poorly.

Exactly, and it’s the reason why live music sounds so much better than an album track. I think this is also true for other things, most people would prefer homemade food that’s imperfect and different with each bite as opposed to a consistent mass manufactured food product. Variation and expression is a wonderful thing.

@@CosmicBrain21 I completely agree with you! It's the thing that makes us human ^^

Yes, because otherwise it lacks soul…

I feel like everyone grows into it. As a kid it didn’t bother me but one day I woke up and things sounded more nuanced.

Not to name drop but this is the reason I can’t stand listening to artists like jacob collier where everything sounds so perfect and refined. Like I recognize the talent but it sounds like music made for a music class instead of something made with emotion. In general, let things be imperfect!

I want to learn how to sing well so bad but I don't have the funds to be tsught yet. It IS super discouraging wanting to be good and trying to hit the notes we hear on our favorite songs. There are some singers out there with beautifully strong voices that aren't as popular. I wish we could hear the real voices more often in songs.

@@abinnohr6497 if you want to learn how to sing comfortably there are some really great videos on RU-vid that teach breathing/breath support 😊 start by learning how to breathe properly to support your voice. There are also some good videos on vocal warm ups, you'll want to make sure you're warmed up before you do any major singing (like stretching before you do exercise). On top of that, just sing! Practice makes perfect 😊 Try not to focus on how things sound, but instead on how they feel (Do you feel tense in your shoulders, tongue, jaw? Does your throat feel sore or strained? Etc.). Singing should feel comfortable, not tense or sore or strained. And be kind to yourself. We're our own worst enemy, and if you let ego get in the way you'll never improve.

it's sad that autotune is to voices what photoshop is to bodies. Nobody should compare themselves to digital nonsense, nobody sounds/looks that good, not even the ones you're comparing yourself to.

I do

​​@@abinnohr6497the thing is to find and learn to love the singers who don't use autotune. Or at least not to that extent, although for me that type of music where autotune is used is generally something I hate from the first few seconds. However, those good singers aren't often nearly as popular and I honestly want to hate on the autotune-addicted ones just sp that the actually talented and well-practiced ones get more recognition

That's pretty dumb. Why would autotune make them sound nasaly? Nasal singing occurs when the soft palate, or vellum, is lowered, allowing air to escape through the nasal cavity. Nothing to do with autotune

@@RonnyDoployeah but they’re trying to learn off of autotune, and not a real singer. That can become a genuine issue

​@@CorBAnMonrOE I don't see how though. The way autotune is used subtly in most music, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

@@RonnyDoplo​​⁠These autotuned people are incredibly straight-toned (and also singing and belting incredibly high) for the most part because of the autotune. As an undeveloped teenage voice, I would theorize that the easiest way to imitate that tone and style is unhealthily using a lot of nasal tonality.

i won't lie, it is really really fun to mimic the sound of auto tune lol i sing along with "the 90's" by finneas eilish to just do that

On point! I mean...the masters were really fooled by edited products...😃

"Vocal coaches" on yt are really just people who just learn to sing themselves. Basically like "life coaches" who barely get their life together and now want to teach others lmao

I have as much disdain for those videos as I do the ones titled "musician reacts to hearing [popular thing that often is decades old] for the first time". Reaction videos are some of the laziest things on RU-vid but these people have to add lying to the mix.

​@@LuisGustavoSOit's true. And that goes for almost all, "X profession reacts." If they were really any good at what they do, they would be doing it on a professional level instead of doing RU-vid. There are a few who are legit, like the music director for the Seattle Seahawks (drumrolltony) but he's an exception to the rule.

​@@joustingkingcheck out drumrolltony. He's the only person I think does it well. Because he literally infuses his professional experience to the music he listens to. He obviously does not need to RU-vid (he's the music director for a literal NFL band). Seeing someone at the top of their game, instead of some amateur, break down popular music in real time is great stuff. It's not just, "oooh that was great! I feel something!" He talks about techniques in a way that musicians appreciate. At least I do haha.

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@@oneproplanet Yes, you're correct in that the function is appreciated "sin", similar to how cosine is abbreviated "cos". However, the full name of the sinusoidal wave is sine! Hope this helps :)

abbreviated* not appreciated haha

I was gonna comment about the Gunnar guys vibrato

it feels super forced, to clarify i mean they probably did sing it irl but not correctly, but i wouldn't put it past anyone to just edit it in

LMFAOOOOOO

Thank you for studying music amd keeping stuff real in a world thats quickly transforming

It's not even just voices, the loudness wars mean that this happens to instruments and essentially all parts of every song

EXACTLY! Those overly-polished notes remove any ounce of human emotion in them. I always think an imperfect voice is better (just so long as the person with an “imperfect” voice can actually sing).

I’m also a SCHOOL TRAINED audio engineer here and yeah these guys are trash. I mean like that girl Natalie climbing on all that shit like a cat I’ve been running across her TikTok’s for a year or so and man… she really really and I mean REALLY tried to sell that shit. But as much as they go for the visuals after throwing auto tune /melodyne they fuck up on the littlest rookie shit like little splices in the audio and you can hear artifacts in there too. Idk what they tryna do but they can’t fool me it looks stupid 😂

if you're talking about the first clip, the guy in the middle I am almost positive is Darren Chris from Glee and he can do some pretty awesome work

People tend to think other people think the way they do. So it makes sense, because to you, and every other naive believer, that level of dedication to a bold face lie is ridiculous and unnecessary.

Same here. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I’m often frustrated feeling like my control and technique etc must just be so lacking and that’s why I can’t execute “perfect” notes, and they’re just that good.

Just remember that some people will do anything when they are desperate for views.They’ll abandon morals and ethics for that influencer money.Its not surprising that they spend a few hours editing a 15 second clip.

Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.

@@FaithinChrist3xTrue, I once tried to photoshop my face, one picture takes three hours, and I wonder if I do that to every picture how much time will left for eat, sh’t and sleep, then I gave up selfies as a whole.

Even with no pitch correction involved, I kinda hate when people keep randomly singing in situations that don't call for it. Somehow it ALWAYS feels like they are just trying to show off, and it comes off as obnoxious to me

Bruh i thought they genuinely have a good singing voice, never thought it could be autotune😢

No fr they way they move their hands and bodies is so overdramatic like even singers don't do that shit as much. And the crawling on the counter like seriously what the fuck is this middle school theater class bs

​@@whydoimevenhereThey are all great singers. Everyone uses a degree of pitch correction these days, they just use it poorly, and try to pass it off as natural... That's the issue.

@@Mejoree113 Agreed, it’s not that they can’t sing, it’s that the reason why they’re singing with the covert pitch correction in casual looking settings is to show off as an ego stroke and get amazed reactions, but still pretend that it’s just off the cuff heartfelt passion so they don’t look desperate. They’re seeking attention and praise but they don’t want to LOOK like they’re seeking attention and praise

On point!

You assumed Tik Tok was real life?

This comment reminded me of the weird dichotomy between the generations in that the older generations don't understand the applications, though they understand the technology, while the younger generations understand the applications, though they don't understand the technology. My generation is somewhere in the middle of the two, and it's wild, I can tell you that.

Pitch correction is pretty crazy now a days. It can be setup live too, so you can pitch correct on the fly.

This is exactly why I’m concerned for this generation. 90% OF WHAT YOU SEE IS FAKE.

Which is why I'm not on it, you should try it sometimes.

@@Ten_Thousand_Locuststhis may blow your mind, but using youtube comments is participating in social media

@@MellowDadlol no it's not. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts Where do you think you posted that comment, buddy?

@@JanilGarciaJr a comment section. What's your point

seriously. the videos are so fucking cringe too.

exactly. I felt this way about these videos for SO long and didnt know how to put it into words

it’s not that they don’t have no personality, it’s that they have 0 artistic expression. Their videos don’t have no purpose other than getting views. And the fact that they’re not natural on the set up, sound, emotions and even their facial expressions just make it even worse.

lol my first thought was Emma Watson’s Beauty and the Beast 😂 Once you hear it you can’t unhear it

She was horrible! I love musicals and the animated Beauty and the Beast was one of my favorites... I was soooooo disappointed!

I forgot body mod includes lip fillers and such and genuinely had a second of "people are pretending piercings are natural?"

I forgot body mod includes lip fillers and such and genuinely had a second of "people are pretending piercings are natural?"

​@@aud7593yeah me too. Fillers fall into "plastic surgery" or whatever for me. mods is tattos and piercings

So you want people to tell you what surgeries they had every time they talk to you or want them to write it on the caption for every picture they take? This comparison is terrible

​@@PalitoSelvaticothey're talking about people who are being dishonest, when I post a picture of myself and I've used a filter to emphasize the shadows around my cheeks, that isn't setting and unrealistic standard. If I were an influencer who made a living off of my appearance and routinely sold a reality that wasn't true, it would be a wildly different situation.

This is a really great comparison

This. I was thinking about this during the whole video. There's no shame in people getting cosmetic surgery or just using digital tools or makeup to achieve a look, but pretending you didn't do it is the problem, and it's especially obvious when not done well.

EXACTLY. Well said; it’s accessible info for most people and she does a great job talking about why it’s so freaking annoying and not helpful

If you're an audio engineer and producer, wouldn't you realize that most of the folks she has a problem with in this video undeniably have good voices even BEFORE the pitch correcting? You can only make a terrible singer sound in tune with these tools; you can't necessarily make them sound pleasant. Even in her example where she sung terribly and "fixed" it, even after it was fixed it didn't sound good. The HUGE missing piece in this video is that most of these people actually are great singers who use pitch correcting for complete perfection. Even if that's "a lie," they are still great singers. I think a lot of humans just love to tear down the folks around them who have more talent.

@@amavasya5884 yea I never said they weren’t good singers and she made very clear in her video that these people are good singers too.

@@amavasya5884well said!!

​@@amavasya5884 Right after she does the bad singing and corrects it (at 14:25) she literally says you need to have singing ability to make pitch correction work, and then goes on to do another example where she sings well and finishes it off with Melodyne to demonstrate what the people she uses as examples are doing, and at 16:20 she points out that they're probably talented but that the fake spontaneity is disingenuous at best. I get that all our attention spans are fried by short form content but did you not finish the video before rushing to the comments?

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING 😭😭

I think people as a whole are obsessed with obtaining something or having something naturally. For example; having a pretty face, body, voice, literally almost everything. If it's not naturally obtained then it's not good, or something frowned upon.

​@@musto8071Part of the issue is the lying. It creates very unrealistic and downright unattainable standards. Kids are seeing this stuff and feeling like crap because they don't have the body or the voice or the life of strangers, but even those strangers don't have those things!! We're bringing up generations of people who are being duped and now have a distorted reality. It should be clear to see why that's not good.

Kids are going to grow up with AI- nothing will be obviously fake anymore

Remember when we found out T-Pain could sing without auto tune and he made amazing jokes about it 😂 it was sort of his thing at the time and people didn’t mind because he didn’t run from it and pretend he didn’t use auto tune