Tilta vs SmallRig for the Blackmagic Pocket 4K and 6K

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Should you get Tilta or SmallRig for your Blackmagic Pocket CInema Camera 4K or 6K. IN this video I share what I think are the pros and the cons of the two systems. On SmallRig I really like having access to the nato solutions that let you really quickly change your setup. Tilta on the other hand have a few grew great battery solutions. Especially I like the focus side handle that lets you put in a Sony NP-970 battery and a Samsung T5 SSD. You can also control your Tilta Nucleus Nano with that handle.
Both systems are great but both do have their strengths and weaknesses as everything always does.
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@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Which system do you prefer?

@KtmDesignz 4 года назад

Smallrig, tilta is just like apple

@knocknapeasta 4 года назад

@@KtmDesignz If Apple were into tech-future army attire

@123steve123handsome 4 года назад

tilta

@christopherseansimm 4 года назад

What is more stable and lighter to use ?

@123steve123handsome 4 года назад

@@christopherseansimm tilta is better quality. And as for me, the heavier camera and other stuff, the better picture from hands.

@ChannelWright 4 года назад

Great! This is just the video I was looking for - thanks!

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Cool to hear!

@falconawesomeness1141 4 года назад

Awesome! Thanks for the informative video. I have both one for the 4K and the other for the 6K. Best cages for the BMPCC4K and 6K on the market.

@TheLostKuma 4 года назад

Thank you for making this!

@TMWPolishTwin 4 года назад

Good stuff! Keep those videos coming! :)

@AustralianImage 4 года назад

I use a mix of SmallRig, Tilta, Camvate, Fotga gear and they all work together. The notable thing is that Tilta seems to be somewhat design specific while the others are more generic, allowing easier mixing and matching. I'm a bit more partial to SmallRig gear as they offer far more accessories and, as you note, are far more responsive to making new gear. My Tilta Nano works perfectly with my rig and everything is powered by a V-lock, Nano, monitor, mics, camera and even an LED light. On another note, I'm surprised that so many are adding extras that make the BMPCC4K/6K wider than what they are. This really does make for a less balanced setup over one that's longer, where you can hold your arms close to your body and improve stability. P.S. the lip sync was off.

@tombufton3655 4 года назад

Australian Image as the base cage is the tilta or the small rig you use?

@SimpleSandalsMedia 4 года назад

Another great video!!! Thank you!

@Mike0193Azul 2 года назад

Very helpful comparison thank you

@FAMEAcademyNY Год назад

Thank you. Tilta is on sale today I may grab one. I guess they plan on releasing something new.

@Aaron_Smith_OM 4 года назад

I use both tbh. I have the SmallRig cage for my Pocket 4K with the focal reducer bracket. It was the only good cage option back when the camera first came out. Then I got the Tilta cage for my Pocket 6K because it came with the side handle and I use it to protect my cables on the side of the camera. Pretty much it's a shield rather than a handle for me. haha! Thanks for uploading Arber. Stay safe and healthy!

@marcopervo 4 года назад

The Smallrig half cage is great for compact handheld shooting except for that Glock'ish hand grip on the T5 side-handle. It just needs to be filed down for more defined finger slots and a rosette to adjust the angle.

@freshmediaconcept 4 года назад

Dope video

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Thanx my friend!

@RedEyeJedigaming 3 года назад

I would go with Tilta just because they make robust products and their Blackmagic pocket 6k cage is awesome and can support lots of add on features. I also love small rigs clamps and other small accessories so I mix match both and make a awesome looking pro rig.

@lasseoglaend4795 4 года назад

I chose the Smallrig halcage with quick release plate. Makes it easy to go from cage to gimbal in less than a minute. Tilta looks great though. Fantastic introduction video...

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Thats a killer feature of the SmallRig half cage! Not many think about that feature =) have a great day

@raymond2009yu 4 года назад

Thanks for the comparison. Does the Tilta side handle comes with the wirings for the ssd and npf battery to camera? Does it heat up with prolong recording to the point of not comfortable to hold? Thanks ahead for answering my questions.

@FergHyde 8 месяцев назад

I'm not in a position to make a call on Smallrig because I don't have any of their gear, I'm solely in the Tilta ecosystem and I love it.

@kingalysterianlion5542 3 года назад

Hey! Great video. I’m looking at buying the bmpcc 4 & 6k. Do you think it’s a bad idea to use both systems together?

@weightlessfilms5651 3 года назад

Great comparison! Is the tilta side handle compatible with the Smallrig BMPCC 4K half cage?

@ryansulak 4 года назад

oh wow you have the new DZO film cine lenses? I know its off-topic but can you comment on how you like them or not? It's a manufacturer I'm unfamiliar with so I havent heard if they are solid buys or bad quality. What is your review? I would love to see a video on that. I just purchased an Oly 12-100 f/4 IS for travel but those DZO lenses look great

@NewerSing 3 года назад

I get my power solutions from Tilta and grip from Smallrig. Tilta has some camera specific baseplates that I don't own or want to buy. Nato rails are also really good, some other companies such as Wooden Camera make NATO rails accesories

@AllThingsFilm1 4 года назад

I like my SmallRig cage for my BMPCC4K. I have plenty of access points for accessories, which I'm sure Tilta has as well. But, for being a cheaper choice and equal quality in build, I stand by the SmallRig. I do like Tilta's V-mount solution that attaches underneath the camera. That is something I am considering on getting. Plus it will work with my cage. So, a win-win situation.

@dominikradecki7574 4 года назад

Does the Tilta HDMI 90 degree adapter fits(the screw's) on SmallRig cage? or 8Sinn? I like the idea of this adapter rather than SmallRig HDMI USB-C clamp.

@sayhellojordan2671 4 года назад

Are you able to use the under-housed V Mount battery plate as well as the side focus handle at the same time? It looks like the slide into the same slot.

@sean... 4 года назад

Thanks Arber, just 1 question, what sort of Gimbal would you suggest to use with the Tilta rig ?

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Either the MOZA Air 2 or the Feiyutech ak4500... the feyutech has a dual handle that is stellar!

@MMickayla626 4 года назад

How many of you combine the brands together in your rig? Is it mostly one over the other? And also which are the accessories you choose to interchange? Thanks. I love the look of Tilta, not sure how much I would want to mix as far as the looks of each brand go. Personally, I am leaning towards using Smallrig based on my research so far, but the electronic features of Tilta are pretty killer.

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

I mix quite alot to be honest. The look some times isnt great but most of the I dont care, thanx for your commet =)

@imdavemtz 3 года назад

Do you have a video on what accessories are compatible with each other

@Praxiszooms 3 года назад

(Your Audio is roughly 4 Frames to late. RU-vid automatically moves Audio 1, 1/2 frames to the left. So you have to recompensate for that in the editor beforehand.) Apart from that nice video :)

@iamchristianconcha 3 года назад

Hi Arber, first of all amazing videos, maybe you can help me, do you know if the nato handle is compatible with any tilta nato rail incorporated on their cages? could you please check this? thank you so much in advance

@brasiossegujja9656 4 года назад

Arber Baqaj what do you think of the feelworld f6 plus

@jesusodremanpost Год назад

Hi. Happy New Year for you and, thank you for this video review. I want yo ank if you have used the smallrig monitor's sunshade , with another rig like smallrig's mid cage or another. I realy apreciate the smallrig sunshade, but I'm afraid it's not compatible with other camera mounts. Thank you again. Best Regards

@ArberBaqaj Год назад

Hi Jesus! yes that's really unfortunate =(

@dareckmaurice9435 4 года назад

Great vid! Question - I would like to get the Small Rig Cage and "add" the Tilta Finger tip side handle focus, - Can I Do that?

@ghhg244 3 года назад

No I looked it’s a specific mount

@dareckmaurice9435 4 года назад

Can you rig up the SMallRig Cage - then "Add" the TILTA side handle(follow focus)?

@JoATTech 3 года назад

You can do it with Type II of the handle, but it will be very far from the cage because you have to use ARRI rosette to mount it. Does not seem to be comfortable.

@ElayneOkaya 4 года назад

Hey Arber. Great videos. Is it possible to use the Tilta F970 battery handle on a SmallRig cage?

@EpithetMusicTV 4 года назад

I also have this question

@Hiimbald12 4 года назад

Elayne Okaya yes

@Adrilevy27 4 года назад

Same question here :)

@JonathanDavisKookaburra 4 года назад

We were on a budget, so smallrig is more than adequate. Tilta does look pretty cool, but I wouldn't rush to change just for that reason.

@knocknapeasta 4 года назад

Except you could look like a sniper from a post-apocalypse action war film

@jessegalan9728 4 года назад

This may be a stupid question but I’m very curious and I’m asking anyways, can you mount the Tilta Side Focus Handle onto the SmallRig rig? My cage is majority SmallRig and that’s just for affordability.. but i really like that Tilta handle over the other wooden one.

@SebastianBogensperger 2 года назад

This would be very interesting for me too :)

@MajorTVOriginal 3 года назад

I‘ve always used Small Rig and I‘ve always been a big fan of the gear they make, but let’s be honest: Regarding the BMPCC 4K/6K the Tilta-Gear is unbeatable

@EugeneMaynard 4 года назад

I have built a beautifully compact and balanced rig with Smallrig parts plus a Nucleus nano (for mainly zoom use). I feel that Tilta make excellent rigs but they are more appropriate for a one camera system as their parts are quite proprietary, so if you one day change cameras most of the parts will not be able to be used on many other cameras. You hit the nail on the head with the use of nato rails, this is where Smallrig, for me, is more modular and they have every part you can imagine to help build a rig that is more tailored to ones differing needs. I see so many rigs that look so unbalanced, unwieldy and not very practical for all types of use with quick alteration for differing shooting styles. As a shooter as opposed to a gear head, I need an extremely modular set up that can be stripped down and built up in many ways for many shooting situations. Smallrig’s liberal use of nato rails, Arri connections and bar holes on cages and handles enable a rig to be built to the specific size of hands and reach of fingers, there is a solution for almost every shooting need, they will even work together with customers on a collaborative design to solve a problem. Tilta make an excellent purpose made take it or leave it solution, it would have been great if their battery and motor control handles could have been easily mounted to other cages without structural modification. I love their nano so much that I shall complement it in the future with their M system but Smallrig and possibly 8sinn will be my rig supplier of choice for the time being. 😀🙏🏾

@lilmikemikesix 4 года назад

You don't have to buy into all of the Tilta accessories. You can also buy nato rail adapter to mount onto the Tilta cage. Both of these cages do the exact same thing and are capable of doing the exact same thing. Tilta just has a few extra proprietary parts that are useless with other cameras. But both have a ton of mounting options and it comes down to what you choose. I have both and I build using rails and rail mounts that way I can always use my parts. If a part is proprietary then I don't buy it unless I feel it's worth it. For example, I absolutely hate the small rig cable clamps for the hdmi and usb c connector and I absolutely hate the small rig t5 holder because the levers bump into each other when I turn them. So buying the Tilta ones feel better for use. I absolutely hate how the baseplate is on the Tilta Standard Baseplate because it makes you buy a expensive dovetail plate to get access to the quick release lever. But you can always buy any other base plate that you like and use it. If you end up with proprietary parts then that is because you didn't do enough research before buying.

@Weird_Quests 4 года назад

What lenses would you recommend for the BMPCC4K? I'm getting one soon, just going back and forth on what lenses to get for it? Not sure whether to get a speedbooster or just an adapter - defo gonna be getting vintage glass and cine-modding them though.

@cinevideo-nl7245 4 года назад

One lens to check out is the Canon 10-18 mm lens, which is good and affordable... Remember that the BMPCC6K has a super35 chip, which is aps-c like, so you can use aps-c lenses, which are called EF-S in the canon universe.

@moetarded7757 4 года назад

Camera gear is such easy talent to work with sometimes!!! Lol

@mhshah7 4 года назад

Please review tilta side focus handle

@MiguelHidalgoTN Год назад

What is the lens you use with the Tilta mount camera?

@dimondcrafts1 4 года назад

Great video man!!! I’m just a beginner in videography and recently bought bmpcc 4k which cage would you recommend for beginners? Thanks!

@johanjanssonmedia 3 года назад

Cheaper version

@Krakadillaz 4 года назад

Great review Arber. Tilta forever!

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Tilta is great =)

@Krakadillaz 4 года назад

Are you sure about R/S function in next update? Hope BM will add it

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

@@Krakadillaz Not at all, its just me hoping they do =)

@Krakadillaz 4 года назад

@@ArberBaqaj thank you. I saw that you use new lens 10-20mm )) One question about it, what would you prefer: Metabones 0.71x + Sigma 18-35mm or DZOFilm 10-24mm? In first option we have 1 more stop light and Super 35 but in second option - it's cinema lens.

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

@@Krakadillaz they are so different, the sigma combo gives more light but the image of the DZO lens is just lovely =)

@whengrapespop5728 3 года назад

To me, the Tilta looks more gimmicky, with its logo and color, but I’ve used it a lot, and I know it’s good. Haven’t gotten the chance to try out the SmallRig yet.

@pixelpreaching 3 года назад

Great video! Question: I have the Tilta cage (Basic kit with top handle + LWS baseplate). Will any of the wooden Smallrig handles attach to the Tilta cage? I use a Samsung T5 so the NATO handle with the SSD holder would be nice. Or maybe the Smallrig Universal Side Handle? I love the wooden aesthetic and I have no need for the battery grip or the focus control stuff with the Tilta handles. Thanks for any help you can provide!

@mike.thomas 3 года назад

Smallrig makes quite a few handles of different sizes and designs, and a few of them simply screw into the 1/4-20 holes dotted all over most cages. It’s worth just trying one out, IMO. I can attest to Amazon’s great return policies as I build up my rig. I send back as much as I keep! Maybe more?

@mike.thomas 3 года назад

Oh, and as he mentioned in the video, you could also attach a NATO rail to your Tilta setup and then the Smallrig NATO handles would also attach (but extend out from the cage a little bit more).

@MoseLaura 4 года назад

I would choose the smallrig because of the looks only. Tilta is just too much! But I would prefer a cage that wasn't building the camera even wider. It could instead wrap around it in the front somehow :) I like the whole package to be small!

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Very true, the camera tends to grow a whole lot when accessorizing, that’s one thing that I don’t like either when it grows to much sideways... 👌

@isaacbedford3644 4 года назад

In my experience the focus handle didn’t work very well and kept making the motor reset the lens focus randomly compared to the original nucleus n handle. Does anyone have a solution or a similar experience?

@raulestrada6866 3 года назад

I’m already on my second one. It seems the micro usb connection on the bottom is not very strong so if the cable gets jerked or something it can ruin the whole port altogether which causes the motor to keep resetting

@joshdiditt 4 года назад

Can i use the small rig baseplate ( the plate that holds the 15mm rails) with the Tilta cage?

@danilo_z 4 года назад

Love your Videos man! I‘m currently considering switching from SmallRig to Tilta and trying to figure out how to make a rig that allows me to switch from tripod to handheld to shoulder rig to gimbal. Do you by chance have any experience with that?

@KONDORBLUE 4 года назад

Check this out for a versatile rig that allows fast configuration changes! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C76ylBWWpFs.html&t

@maxvoorde409 3 года назад

Do you know if the nucleus nano side handle is compatible with a small rig cage?

@JoATTech 3 года назад

I wonder if there is a way to attach this Tilta side handle to smallrig cage (half cage). I know there is version with ARRI rosette, but with this one and smallrig cage you end up with handle located 20cm of the cage :).

@ericcoen8894 3 года назад

What’s your base plate for using those 15mm rods?

@RodieOsc 4 года назад

Im trying to have a rig for Gimbal. and I know the camera is kinda bigger when you put the cage so i want to make an easier balance. which do you recommend

@nicoferrari628 3 года назад

Which gimbal

@kleykov 4 года назад

Thanks for this comparison! But what about handling? Are they both comfortable in the hand? How easy or hard is it to reach all buttons?

@elijahuy6329 3 года назад

Might sound like a silly question, but can you mount small rig parts on a Titla cage or vis versa?

@StevenHarrisforthewin 3 года назад

Yes.

@ianmartin2924 Месяц назад

Help! Does this side handle work with the nano ii motors? I bought this handle and a nano ii x2 motor kit, but the motors are USB-C and the handle is micro. I want to plug it in an test it, but not sure if it will break it.

@ArberBaqaj 29 дней назад

Hi! I’m not sure, it won’t brake if you have an adapter

@iamchristianconcha 2 года назад

Can you use the smallrig handle on the Tilta body?

@gaboguerra950 4 года назад

Question: using Smallrigs V Mount base, can you still use 15mm rods ?

@maxholt2869 4 года назад

that is the tilta v mount base and no you cannot. kind of frustrating because what if you want a v mount and the follow focus. I dont like putting vmounts behind my screen

@meraakifilms 4 года назад

Hi, can you please send me the details or link for cables that can be used to charge bmpcc4k from moza air 2 please 🙏🙏

@meraakifilms 4 года назад

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@FelixFukuyoshi 4 года назад

I got a small rig setup but only coz tilta took ages releasing their stuff

@Nature_Connections 4 года назад

So does the Sony NP-F970 power the camera itself, or just the Nucleus Nano? Or both? Reason I ask is because most reviews I’ve seen only talk about it as though it’s for the NN, not the camera.

@TheMengzor 4 года назад

You can purchase additional cable and power your BMPCC

@nicoferrari628 3 года назад

So im looking at purchasing a bmpcc6k. My main rig will be on my gimbal but im looking at a handheld one too. From a comfort perspective , im thinking smallrig because the nano side handle really would make it easier to hold, can anyone tell me if its worth spending the extra and just going tilta.

@luismaurizzio4236 3 года назад

I prefer wooden handles if you are shooting in a cold day in winter, none of those top handles seem great for that. I have to keep looking haha

@mike.thomas 3 года назад

Smallrig makes a top handle with wood underneath. It looked really nice, and I ordered one, but ended up sending it back because they have an all metal one with video start/stop button on it, which is important to me.

@ezdirok 2 года назад

can you use Tilta (or Smallrig) on both blackmagic 4k or blackmagic 6k?

@ArberBaqaj 2 года назад

Yes yiu can =)

@Filmmaker809 4 года назад

I chose Smallrig because nobody in the world was making cages for the GH5/GH5s with the XLR1 adaptor, except for Smallrig with their XLR helmet add-on.

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Very true, I still use that a lot! Great comment!

@Filmmaker809 4 года назад

Hey Arber, I know, I watched the video you did with the GH5 and I bought that Smallrig cage with XLR helmet based on your review! Now I have x2 for my GH5 & GH5s. :)

@geniusiknowit 4 года назад

so... all my magpul stuff will fit on the smallrig, eh?

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

Im not familiar with magpul but most skrews on smallrigs are standard, also the rods.

@sinnervinz3358 4 года назад

Someone can tell me if the smallrig cage is compatible with some TILTA Acessories ?? For example : The small rig cage can mount the TILTA SSD Holder ???

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

some you can and some you cant I am afraid, the ssd doesnt work on smallrig

@zyh8351 4 года назад

But NP-F battery only supports 7v

@mattcarlson12 4 года назад

Which one is lighter in weight?

@ArberBaqaj 4 года назад

About the same I would say!

@oleoskareriksen1512 4 года назад

I got the Tilta because of the cable management and ability to turn it into a half cage, but I kinda wish they had a more low key color option without the stupid logos and stuff. It kinda has the “gamer look” and it’s really tacky.

@justinhammondphoto 4 года назад

I was thinking of getting mine powder coated black if I go with it.

@mike.thomas 3 года назад

On the Tilta site there is often a black option in addition to “Tilta gray”. It doesn’t seem consistent, though 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Owen-ub3fv 2 года назад

I like the look. However I am a gamer. Lol

@intrinsiccinema7374 2 года назад

how do I attached the t5 to the tilta

@ArberBaqaj 2 года назад

I used a smallrig ssd holder

@lilmikemikesix 4 года назад

Do you know if the Tilta Standard Baseplate is compatible with the ARRI standard dovetail plate?

@freejay3 4 года назад

They both do the same thing Just one costs more.

@sylvainrenault 4 года назад

Not true, there is a huge difference : Weight !

@TreyDaze 4 года назад

sylvain renault Which one weighs more???

@sylvainrenault 4 года назад

@@TreyDaze The smallrig

@OuzRev 4 года назад

@@TreyDaze the heaviest the better.

@knocknapeasta 4 года назад

@@sylvainrenault Really?

@durrsky1515 4 года назад

Smallrig easy.

@michaelweichhardt 3 года назад

I like a professional look - and Tilta no does not look professional. I would never use that transformer looking equipment - prefer it simple like smallrig.

@Owen-ub3fv 2 года назад

Looks more professional to me. Just has some more obvious logo branding.