Tim Ballard Update - The Husband's Tale [RFM:310] 

The abolitionists is so bad. It’s the worst most amateur thing I’ve ever seen. Everything they do is a failure.

Isn't this exactly what we should expect from a religion that teaches its mediocre men that they are gods in embryo?

So well said.

Replying to help RFM! 😊

Great books!! LDS system is not Christian but very cult and nuts

The fish rots from the head down.

I've read "Piercing the Darkness." While I believe there are demonic forces, having seen the eyes of men who appear possessed or perhaps innately evil, and having seen some other strange things on the other than perceived-as-physical level, there are just a lot of bad men in top-down authoritarian institutions. We might be talking about central banking or something like Enron, but then throw this authoritarian perversely sex-obsessed religion into that authoritarian hierarchy and make women lower than dirt, lower than their male children and then you get something like Mormonism. I'd suggest reading Machiavelli, specifically on the combination of religion and tyranny.

Thom Harrison and Visions of Glory, as well as "The Isaiah Institute" is how all of these are connected. Basically Thom Harrison got his ideas from the Isaiah Institute and "counseled" people such as Tim Ballard, Jodi Hildebrandt and Chad Daybell. This is not going to stop until someone takes them down. Look up Blaze Thibaudeau and how his mom and Uncle kidnapped him. It's ALL CONNECTED

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It’s reducing for me as well as I struggle to find what I consider an appropriate amount of empathy for these victims. Like the Franke’s, people can be both victims & not nice persons. These folks were truly victimized in a very personal manner. They won’t just lose money &/or be embarrassed. For the LDS ones, they’re likely to lose everything-their families & entire communities.

@@caseyjude5472 If you have been LDS you can completely get how people are caught up in cause and manipulated but that women became her poor ex husbands abuser too it seems to me. My revulsion for Joseph Smith has grown when you read these accounts of contemporary spiritual manipulation.

Men need to have a little self respect. So many men are like this and allow themselves to be treated like crap and will self sacrifice EVERYTHING!

Almost anybody can be brought into complicity with almost anything. A lot of mainstream corporations have security consultants who are much more skillful than Tim Ballard. Blaming those deceived by him because they were deceived by a less skillful conman isn't quite right.

@@TribalCashAA immoral (not in an exclusively sexual sense as it’s used in church) actions are not excused in my opinion by someone being tricked by a con man. She was a victim of what she alleges is true of serious crime that was done to her without her consent, this shouldn’t give her a moral licence to mistreat her husband and family. Obviously if what is alleged is true she is by far not the biggest villain in the story but she screws everyone in her life around.

Wait till you hear about this dude named Joseph smith. He would go around marrying women, but instead of taking them on missions he sent their husbands out instead…much more efficient in my opinion. He also married underage women/girls but unlike every other cult lead…I mean new religion founder he did so purely for non sexual reasons. Also some angels/swords/God stuff. Wild things. Wild things.

@@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112 🤣

@@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112 Well played. Tim Ballard really is a dollar store Joseph Smith. An apprentice compared to a master.

Tim Ballard thinks he is the Davidic Servant, plus will become President of USA & Prophet of the church.

It's like being under a spell. It's like the Faerie Queen in Shakespeare's, "A Midsummer Night's Dream," who falls in love with what she thinks is a beautiful creature, but when she awakens it's just a repulsive clown wearing an ass's head--which describes how I perceive images of T. Ballard.

@@wolfpowers36 Not a bad visualization. Every time I have ever seen Tim though, he looked more like an ass wearing a clown's head... and the tightest pair of pants he could find without being actual yoga pants.

He was probably more excited b/c she is married. He seems to have enjoyed humiliating people.

Alcoholics Anonymous is doing just fine

​@@KendraAndTheLawas someone in recovery i approve of this pun❤ but completely agree with OP

In his communications with Nephi, he said president of the church, US senator and President of the United States.

He certainly acts like it. Same spirit

Maybe he thinks he’s Joseph Smith reincarnated lol 😂

@@slconley I bet he does believe that about himself. Reincarnation or no he does have Joe Smith’s inflated ego, predatory predilections and scam artistry down pat.

Absolutely, Lisa. It's creepy how he weaves incidents from JS's life into his own. My visceral response to Ballard is like my knee-jerk reaction to evangelists and telemarketers. I can't stop thinking, "You're almost certainly nuts but how nuts? Have you actually come to believe your own schtick?"😕

Not if you are working for your boyfriend

He might have sprung that on her once they were abroad and she had no choice. I'm just guessing based on nothing but my knowledge of manipulative men.

@@wolfpowers36this nonpayment went on for well over a year. You’d think she’d catch on.

I hope this comes out in court somehow for the entire world to see. It will certainly test the concept of separation of religion and state.

Katherine is lucky this is coming out now before Tim did any nefarious thing to her. He was already telling these women he would marry them if Katherine died.

@@vmskating9028 Yes, it gave me chills when I first heard that he was telling his wife that the women were in love with him and wanted to kill her. It sounds like someone setting things up so the wife would get killed and one of his alleged victims would take the fall.

Has Katherine made any recent statements? Is she horrified , or still "standing by her man"?

@@merrielltuttle3994 good question. I haven't seen her respond yet, but I expect that someone is watching the divorce court filings.

This is not MK ultra level. This is ham fisted manipulation. His targets were women, who were very naive and likely very gently protected, for their whole lives. They had no defenses. CIA level manipulation is not at all obvious.

To me, "We're going to save so many kids!" is the angel with the drawn sword here

The wife alleges that Tim told her he would put a bullet in his head if she left OUR. So Tim was both Joe and the angel. The sword was updated to more modern technology.

@@goatymacgoatface6544 The corollary to your statement is: Think of all the kids we Wont Save If You Don't Cooperate. The sword is swung.

Goes to show if those tactics can work now. It definitely worked back then.

Your ignorance is showing

I just looked up "Promise Keepers." Yikes! Thanks for throwing that in to your comment. I'm going to read some more. Of course, you are right that there is a sense in Mormonism that non-members are dirty or bad. There is a smugness among Mormons because they believe themselves somehow chosen to know the one and only truth, which is Mormonism.

The description of Promise Keepers is much like Mormonism: Promise Keepers is an organization of fundamentalist Christian men who promise to keep their wives and daughters in servitude. Women are expected to obey their husbands, their male professors and male employers. Even if women can see that the men have made mistakes, the women should carry out their orders and leave it to God to put things right." That is from their Wikipedia page. In Mormonism women are to obey men. Of course, the women will still be blamed for everything. Nonetheless, this expectation of obedience of women to men persists. This extends to female children and obedience to men. What a lovely organization to grow up in as a young girl--I know. And I escaped as soon as I became an adult and went far away to the big, wicked city and didn't go back home until my family finally left the Church, too.

Maybe some kind of fraud ?

I wonder if Sean Reyes is too far in to press any charges

AND the fact that the woman this lawsuit seems to concern, used no discernment. Isn't that in itself a biblicat value to have? Although it seems she struggled with the option of going on an operation such as the ones Tim had initiated, it would ALSO seem that, being a Christian, that she would have had a strong hunch that not only would she was not "qualified" to go on this operation, but when he apparently mentioned already that she would have to be part of a "couples' ruse", why then didn't she decline and tell him to find someone else more able for the position? So that's where my doubts come in, It's almost like she rendered herself powerless to turn it down, which I don't think is the case. I would never have allowed myself to be used in that capacity at any job; undercover or not.

@@lisaclark4550 Mormons are only Christian on their outside candy-coating. On the inside it's the dark nougat of pure black magic. It is a cult religion based on Medieval occultism and only gives the veneer of Christianity. In the religion, men are authorities and women are to obey. That is the religion. This is in Christianity, too, but it is extreme in Mormonism.

@@lisaclark4550 Also, good for you for not letting yourself be used like this. But, you have to know that Mormons and Mormon men are masters at manipulating and Tim, in his "getting to know" this woman phase, found all of her vulnerabilities and used them against her. The CIA recruits from BYU's campus in Utah because the people are programmed and programmable and understand how to use whatever existing programming a person has. For instance, someone who went to Catholic school as a child would have certain programming and that can be used to manipulate them. If a person had something else in their personal history, he would be able to use this.

Their problem is not their case its the state in which they chose to file it in imo, big mistake and I wish they could’ve figured out a way to do it in a different state because it’s definitely an uphill battle in Utah if you’re even given standing to file, big mistake imo. We’ll see…

It looks like, as of just 2019, adultery is no longer illegal in Utah.

They’d better have receipts and screenshots to back up their story. Tragic. The way her family turned on him is awful to top it off.

@@DancingQueenie That’s what manipulators do best! Just awful.

Sean Teyes is not likely to pursue any charges, imo

You mean just like Joe Bidumb.

True ... I had so many people in my newsfeed say if you are not for this movie when you're one of the traffickers!!!!! Ridiculous ... I just had a bad feeling about this movie turns out I was right not to mention I know what goes on right here in the USA with children being abused and violated. I don't need to go watch the whole movie about it, and traumatize myself, and feel even more helpless about what I can do.!!!!

@@MeToo-py1tqhim too !

@@hollys1159 Right? Where are the kids separated from their families by his buddy trump? Working in slaughterhouses? Picking apples? Tied up in somebody’s basement? But then he can’t play Rambo and go to spas all day with “escorts”.

You are like a person from a different planet who doesn't know how human psychology works. 😏 Well, different planet, or a religious bubble, the effect is pretty much the same.

It's a wanna be James Bond LARPing group with a Mormon twist that uses "save the children" to actually make money and enable it, because we are all suckers (some quite literally, evidently, from some of these accusations) for saving kids. Quite insidious.

Exactly 💯

That's the impression I got throughout, based on both statements. At some point early on, unless his wife has the IQ of a brick, the "it's for the children" thing should have stopped working, unless she wanted to use it as an excuse for bad behavior too. Tim was the stereotypical, quintessential "bad boy" that attracts some women like bright lights attract moths. Every time that guy apologized for being suspicious, apologized for not being totally agreeable, constantly made excuses for his wife being under Tim's influence...I had to restrain the urge to smack my own head in frustration. The guy is seriously in denial. The fact that he also pretended that it was his wife who was paying for Tim's activities and her dates with Tim ("for the children"), when it was really him, the husband, who was directly or indirectly, since he apparently was on the hook for the CC debt too...just makes him all the more pathetic. The wife was clearly into it and was enjoying Tim's James Bond/Bond Girl fantasy just as much as Tim was, if not more so. Playing the role of the reluctant cheater for a good cause, always saying something like "well, if it's for the children..." is ridiculous. She was constantly taking Tim's side, contrary to all the mounting evidence and so many red flags that her life with Tim must have looked like a CCP rally in Beijing. She even turned her own family against her real husband to "protect Tim" (and actually her long-running affair with Tim). The sad sap husband also found out quite quickly how much he really wasn't considered "family" by her family. (That said, since the sad sap was constantly apologizing to everyone for things he shouldn't have apologized for, he was his own worst enemy.) He's that terrible thing that no decent man wants to be in a marriage with a woman he loves....namely "just a good provider" while the wife longs to be with a "bad boy" for excitement...a good provider who will help pick up the pieces after her exciting adventures with the "bad boy" come to their inevitable nasty end. I don't know if there's much hope for their marriage in reality. The trust is broken. But this sad sap also seem like the type who will just strap blinders on and sweep everything under the rug, if she'll play along and pretend like she really loves him...until she meets the next "bad boy"...then it will just be another rinse-and-repeat cycle.

@@TEAM__POSEID0N I felt that frustration listening to this as well. I lived through something similar. It’s isolating and makes you question your reality.

Last thing we need is another world religion

@@jamestrek2570me too minus the martyrdom & birth of another religion. Fortunately his business associates at OUR seem unable & unwilling to work that hard for a grift when there’s easier ways.

@@jamestrek2570 especially one as creepy as Mormonism…🫣

I noted that too. Very strange.

No. He misspoke.

Me me me! 😇

@@DancingQueenie please do it!

@@slconley i just might. Going to the legendary parade in Greenwich Village where an angel would need a flaming sword!

Technically, it was a "drawn sword" when Joseph Smith was trying to persuade a young lady to be his next harem acquisition. The "flaming sword" was when Adam and Eve got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. But the flaming sword will always be more graphically interesting than just a drawn sword.

I will be something similar maybe Voltron the 5 Lions assembled and with the sword

My thoughts exactly

@fredtheflash4805 There are also questions about to whom that money was paid since there were non-profits and for profits, which appear to funnel money right back to him and his family members. That said, I agree with the original commenter in that I don't trust a single charity. I won't voluntarily give them a dime and I think the whole concept should be looked into.

He says in the statement they lived within their means until she started to pay for the various trips away for her and Tim Ballard. She maxed out credit cards which in part she was reimbursed for. The husband worked for a bank.

@@debbieshrubb1222 What Mormons do u know, especially in Utah, that actually live within their means?

​​@@ericnelson9100 I know many Mormons, even in Utah, living well within their means.

​@@ericnelson9100 The wife, and husband were not Mormon.

@@ericnelson9100 this couple arnt LDS. (I do know many extremely frugal LDS Mormons and others whose lives are a shit show).

I hope so about Catherine but I'll bet she sticks it out with him regardless of what comes out😢

With that many kids if she doesn’t do it now she’ll be living in poverty for the rest of her days

@@hollys1159why yes she will. These wives in the church will stick it out because of the temple covenants when they were married and sealed in the temple, no matter how ugly things get in this life.

@@hollys1159 Probably. They’re sealed forever and maybe got the vip second anointing - and Mormon women are encouraged to FORGIVE everything.

He is excommunicated. Church is doing good PR by not publicly announcing it…church knows a not small percentage of their customers are extreme right wingers and they will be publicly accused of being Peter Files if they come out too hard against Tim Ballard.

As a non-profit, O.U.R. has to release their financials. Tim Ballard claimed he made $14 million on his for profit ventures in 2022.

Sadly, it does seem like they're trying to save money on legal fees or something. I'm getting "fresh out of law school" attorney vibes from the quality of work indicated in the filings. Hopefully, for the plaintiffs' sake, it will be enough to get the cases initiated and the quality will improve going forward. The statements sound more appropriate for press releases aimed at swaying public opinion (and they do a good job at portraying TB as a nasty piece of work). But for the more analytically minded public and for the purposes of determining liability in court, they're really going to have to up their game with regard to supplying objectively verifiable factual evidence. Maybe they're actually angling for an early settlement.

@@TEAM__POSEID0NYeah, I suppose that is true, I'm really not sure what the end game is here. From AA's part it sounds like she wants the board of OUR to be held responsible for knowing but not intervening, but she did also mention unpaid wages and potentially wrongful termination multiple times. From the (ex?) husband's part, I'm not really sure what the goal is, but you're right, it does sound like a press release piece.

@@HoosierDaddyActual I'm not sure what you mean by that, custody of which children for whom?

Reading between the lines, if he still has all of the phone message texts, witnesses and so on, he may have enough for an alienation-of-affection claim against TB and the people who knowingly worked with TB on that "project". His wife probably doesn't have much of a claim for herself, unless she can prove that she's a gullible moron who should be regarded by the court as a vulnerable child herself who was preyed upon by TB. That would be an interesting angle. TB taking s e xu al advantage of adults who are mentally in the same position as vulnerable children...and doing so in the name of rescuing vulnerable children.

Do you think he’s got enough for an “alienation of affection” charge? Other than reimbursement for monies (& interest for lateness) proven;y spent on Ballard & OUR, that seems to be the only chargeable offense

@@caseyjude5472 I hope there is enough but I looked this up, and this type of case is hard to prove and win in court

@@caseyjude5472 The complaint says Tim only paid part of victim's credit card bills.

This was recorded recently. What made you think it was recorded in August

Sorry I thought at some point you said you were filming in August, you probably said October