Tim Hardaway and Allen Iverson have beef over a signature move 

Tim Hardaways tombstone "It was a carry"

Iverson did some great trolling in the later years, carried it to the hall of fame was a 10/10 line

This was a fun episode; unique in that it wasn't hugely personal but more of a philosophical "beef" than anything else. That stands out a bit, and as a bit of a basketball nerd myself, I found this specific video particularly enjoyable. Fittingly enough, I picked up on where this was going very quickly because I recalled Isiah Thomas talking about crossovers on an NBA TV program one day where he specifically contrasted Hardaway's and Iverson's signature moves. He referenced the whole idea that Tim's "Killer Crossover" was low and tight, while Iverson's take was higher and looser; I don't think Thomas necessarily called or even implied Iverson was carrying, though, as I recall him being overall complimentary at that moment. But this is all to say that I particularly enjoyed seeing these three individuals tied together to this topic, and I was totally unaware of Hardaway's long-standing gripe on Iverson's crossover. It DOES makes total sense, though. As always, great stuff!

Isiah Thomas put it best. Tim Hardaway’s crossover is a textbook crossover that stays within the box. Iverson’s crossover was outside of the box and had a shake to it. Both were great.

Tim Hardaway is underrated, especially when the best handles of all time is brought up. Tim had one of the most elite crossovers of all time. Grant Hill had a similar cross and would catch the best defenders with it.

I get why Tim is mad. All his career he was forced to dribble and do crossovers correctly. Technically speaking Iverson carries the ball, which is why early in his career he was always called for carrying. And then suddenly, the league relaxed the rule. Think about how many traveling calls can be called in todays game if the NBA was as strict as they used to be? What once was against the rules, is now "ehh whatever", hell I'd be pissed too. I understand Tim

This was a one sided beef 😂😂😂

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Allen Iverson didn’t have a beef. He never cared. Tim was taking shots at him since his rookie year. When you “beef” it has to be “two” opposing not one hating lol.

9:33 "...Hardaways holy war against false crossovers." 😂love it.

Tim’s my guy, as Isiah was before him. Tim and AI are two distinctly different players and should not be compared. Tim was a PG who could score, and AI was a scorer in what’s considered a “traditional” PG build. Tim definitely deserves more props, especially the way he rebuilt his in-game reputation after the knee injury.

AI and Tim had some of the most iconic crossovers ever but to see them having beef about which crossover is better is something we expected coming. I mean Tim's killer crossover is clean while Iverson's crossover looks great but there have been accused of handling too much or travelling or something.

This seriously needs a special time slot on ESPN.. i know espn sucks but it’s for the amount of views it can get. This series is detailed, professional, and backed by a ton of research. just amazing stuff.

Allen Iverson was global phenomena ! Whenever I think Philly basketball I think Allen Iverson. I cannot really explain The Answer's impact in and out of the Basketball world

Glad Tim Hardaway finally made the hall of fame.

Amazing video content as always. This channel is the top sports journalism channel on the internet. Thank you for your hard work y'all. 10/10 as always.

I really do wish the NBA would be a little stricter on carries, double dribbles and travels. The rules/officiating let the offense get away with far too much these days and there's really no need when players are so talented and offenses are so efficient. We gotta pull it back a little

its a little bit of a beef over the written/unwritten rules of the game but it's also heavily Tim Hardaway desperately clinging onto the biggest part of his legacy, bc deep down he knows (even if he'll never admit it) that if his association w the crossover is forgotten, HE himself will be forgotten and he's been fighting that fight for years.

Nba refs calling carrying is a foreign concept these days

Senna vs Prost, or Schumacher vs Hill Beef History would be awesome

Finest crossver vs streetball crossover both affective

I’ve been highly impressed with this series but you guess just presented gold to the masses. Please do more 90s beef 🔥🔥 NBA, MLB, NFL

I think we can put this to rest. Hardaway had a perfect crossover for the 70s to 90s NBA. You go back earlier and he is getting called for traveling too. More so than Analytics/Spacing, we are living in Iverson's NBA. We still see more influence from him than any other player right now. Anyone who dribbles and puts moves on people, just look like they are trying to be AI while benefiting from him blazing a path before them. Yes Tim, you have an amazing crossover, people still do it. But AI changed the game.

Being a quick and fast 5'11 guard that played D, I had to perfect dribbling to beat larger defenders to the basket. The A.I. crossover never failed me and was never called as a carry but that Hardaway crossover they never so coming only because I could shift momentum so fast while doing it. Both great moves.

It's all about the Killer Crossover

Perfect timing, got a video to watch while I’m getting ready to go study 🐐

I love how in the highlights u can see a lot of the inspirations guys who are in the league now took to make the dribble moves and cross overs we see all the time now

AI got that move from his teammate and he gave him the credit on multiple occasions

Always love Seth's stuff in SB

Ahhh waking up @ 4am and watching this while eating breakfast is first class big ups from Australia

You got to admit Tim's crossover is cleaner

I was literally thinking about beef history today

This was good. One of the best i've seen in a minute.

You don’t kno how influential that crossover was coming from Tim Hardaway…all little guards practiced that crossover up & down the street it was a must too have that in your bag…AI took it to a completely different level that slight bend & hesitation took the crossover to a whole another level…its crazy how many forms the crossover took but this was the true essence of ball handling 🙌🏾🫡‼️

I can’t help but laughed whenever Tim says “carry”. Love this video.

"Taking someone to school," in Hardaway's useage, means "to school someone" (i.e., to Teach them).

Well this was randomly awesome

Just took off my Step Over Answer 4s and cleaned them up and was man you know I got to watch this.

I’ve had the pleasure of meeting both of these gentlemen in my life

Finally! Been waiting on this since 1998.

I've been following Allen Iverson since I saw him as a freshman at Georgetown. He learned that crossover as a sophomore and was dominant as a freshman without it. Everyone plays the game the way they call it. Every Tim Hardaway spin is a carry that no one called. Today you can switch pivot feet after a drive. They change the rules to create more highlights and grow their business. Like they told Tim when they traded him, "It's a business."

Nowadays you can put the ball in your check in luggage and take a plane to the basket.

Iverson's was a carry as legendary as it is. Hardaway is textbook perfected.

This video just popped up without me requesting it, and I already gave it a thumbs up. I love the content you guys make could you please make a video on Stephen Marberry and KG

Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division Untitled: Reggie Miller Untitled: Ken Griffey Junior Untitled: Jim Kelly Collapse: Early 90s Bills Untitled: Red Sox Players (particular Yaz) Prism: Steph Curry and all those mid major players Rewinder: The Catch By Willie Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Bonds breaking the respective HR record Untitled: Don Nelson

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The closest thing to to Tim's crossover is grant hill's and it's smooth

It's a little sad, as I've grew up with Timmy and AI trying to mimick both their moves. Because for me, regardless of the "carrying" debate, their crossovers are fundamentally different. UTEP Twosteps is about dancing on your rhythm so you trip up yourself when Tim change momentum from under you, while AI's crossers are more a misdirection, exaggreate and linger on one side just to drag it back to cross you up. As a student of both of these masters, I think both should be praised.

Question: if you have giant hands like Jordan or kawaii is it still a carry if you dribble then palm the ball from the top(with your hand on top of the ball) and just hold it there, instead of just bouncing it back down like a regulat dribble???

You do good work, and have a good voice. You should get some personal recognition.

Nice and well put together episode. I now ask is the cross over still being utilized in today's game? I see more of the euro step than anything else. Is the cross a missing art?

Tim was my first favorite NBA guy. Great video. Love the old school vs. new. Two HOFers…

This channel is slept on too much

I was Timmy’s team mate at UTEP. Although he didn’t create it, he did teach both Tim and I how to cross over dribble. That players name was Jeep Jackson. UTEP’s starting point guard, not Tim.

The breakup of Run TMC needs to be better documented

Love how hbomberguy´s video has all of youtube grab by the balls so hard that every single channer now is citing correctly. I know that secret base has cited before, but the impact that that 3 hours long video had is unbelievable

This felt more like a weird rules episode than beef history.

Really liked the music on this

Timmy didn't carry the ball like AI did.

Love your videos. Love them more at 1.5 speed.

Love all of these. Not trying to disrespect but can we dive into some more hockey beef? Loved the old ones you guys produced. If not still gonna watch the channel anyway

Hardaway used his killer crossover to get to the basket and in the early 90's he was explosive.

Well done as always. Now that they are terrible and BB is out in New England, may we see the return of a new Collapse for the Patriots? I’d love to see that one, even as a Pats fan

Untitled: Eric Lindros would be a awesome episode

Like a sibling rivalry

This is accurate in my observation. NBA and in pickup games in the late 80's/early 90's no one carried. Around late 90's/early 2000's at the park, I started noticing more carries, not just with the crossover; actually had a short fistfight over a hard foul when one defender complained the ball was being carried. Last time I played in a league around mid-2000, it seemed to be accepted that on certain moves carries were being allowed. Later saw my friend's son in a high school game and carries were the norm. Same happened throughout the NBA over that time.

We need that AI vs Jason Whitlock beef.

2:42 I had this as a poster from a german basketball magazine...decorating rooms of me for years ;)

we want a saban rewind!!! better yet a full length doc

The epitome of “you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song”

It's interesting all these years later to look back and say "oh yeah, traveling and carrying the ball" 😅

Awesome episode but when are y'all going to do a collapse episode espicially a NBA or NFL one

UTEP two-step was smoth because it was so fluid. Hardaway would come down the court and hit you in motion. He would hit you from a standstill and go to the rim. AI had to set a guy up with dribbles and guys running to fake a screen, and he did palm. Still, both were fun to see. Tim broke Stockton down in a classic shake that legit forced the Jazz to send help the next time, Iverson made Jordan look like a mortal on his. In the end though, I'll take Hardaway, the move was smooth and quick, he generally wasn't faster than his opponent, that's why it was so nice. AI could've blown by his defender without crossing over.

Tim's crossover is the more fundamentally sound IMO His crusade is as much as an indictment of the NBA's relaxing the rules on ball carry as his criticism of AI and rightly so since if NBA were as forgiving during his time he would have been much bigger than his career turned out. Heck can you also imagine Isaiah Thomas having the benefit of leeway AI had, too?

Utep two step is a work of art

Now this I never heard of

Great video, great story and a way to stir up some great conversations! Iverson did carry the ball, on occasion. As long as the hand isn't actually under the ball, it's not a carry... but where's the clarification on what "under the ball" is, right? More than 50% of the hand below the equator of the ball? How are you going to possibly measure that at game speed with everything else going on? Maybe someday we'll have an electronic ball with sensors over every millimeter of it to tell where the hand is on it and the ball turns red when more than half of the hand is touching the bottom half of the ball! I liked how Isiah put it on NBA Oprn Court: players like Tim and himself dribbled "in the box" and Iverson opened up and played outside of the box. I had seen other people do a wife, outside of the box crossover before Iverson, but the disadvantage was that it wasn't as fast. You could totally juke someone with it, but unless you totally shook them they could recover. Iverson was so small and fast he eliminated that disadvantage... but just watch the legendary crossover on Jordan: MJ had enough time to recover, was still in front of his man and got a really good contest on the shot. And this was on post-baseball MJ, who obviously was younger and faster every year before that. But look at Iverson's body movement in that crossover... he's got a little shimmy there to help sell the misdirection. Done right, that helps give a few more milliseconds of an advantage, as does his speed and ball control. Plus being barely 6'0" and having a low, fast crossover, even if it's wide, the defender has to reach real low to try and get their hand in the path of the crossover to deflect, which gives yet another advantage. Another neat thing, as I write a whole freaking novel here, is that neither Hardaway or Iverson really utilized the use of angles the way modern players do. That next level of crossover is completely independent of body movement and directional travel. It's not just a setup to create space for a drive or pull up, now it's like modern players have a separate joystick for dribbling movement and another for their leg movement. They can literally go anywhere they want and utilize that movement really well while doing whatever they want with the ball in the process. The natural progression of the crossover is so much fun to see.

I guess we can all be happy that Tim didn't start calling The Answer slurs.

“Iverson crossover, cheese doodles, grape soda.” -Pun 😂😂😂

UTEP 2 step! Loved Run TMC in the early 90s.

😂❤ love nice friendly beef. Allan is a gentleman

Isiaah always in the middle of something stirring something up. LLOLLLLL

Still waiting on that Dana White/Oscar De La Hoya Beef History video!!

2 Step Timmy For The W‼️

Never thought I would ever see a beef on who can dribble better lol

"I carried my crossover all the way into the Hall of Fame. So, there you go." Just. Damn.

I actually liked Tim Hardaway a lot and always thought he never got the recognition he deserved. Now I see why.

Wish they would cover the battle of Tobacco Road beef?

Tim Hardaway & Nick Van Exel have the same crossover signature but one was a lefty version of the former. I would say their crossover influence didn't come from Isaiah Thomas but all got their crossover influence from Pearl Washington out of Syracuse. Pearl was from Brooklyn, NY

Both took there version of cross straight to HOF bit one became a cultural phenomenon

Not a fan of hardaway, and I always loved watching ai, but tims right about this. And now we basically never call a travel unless the refs are in a bad mood.

You call that in pick up I'm leaving with my ball lol that's petty as hell

It would be nice if you did some British ones. Vardy versus Wayne Rooney Nigel benn versus Chris Eubank

Tims crossover was smooth , like in run n gun 2

This is gonna be fun

Hardaway would perfect that crossover at Rosenblem park on the east side of Chicago on 75th & Euclid. My dad would take me to these games every Sat! Didn’t know it at the time, but it was EPIC!

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Timmy said years ago that he got the "killer crossover" move from Dwayne Washington from Syracuse...was watching him in a game on TV.

Impact/coolness aside, which should have nothing to even do with it, yeah, most of those went into the call of a carry/travel.

Just commented on Hardaway’s most recent IG post and asked why he’s obsessed with defaming AI’s crossover… his response(s) were telling