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"Disc brakes allow the bike and wheels to be more aerodynamic." Yeah, right. What about the extra spokes to structurally support the rims, is that more aerodynamic? And rotational drag from the disc and calipers? And wider is faster? It's not science they're selling anymore. It's now gone to selling snake oil. Glad there are some frames out there that brakes the mould of selling snake oil. Haha

and I go for Peak Torque 180 mm adapter :)

I just can't believe we got some actual Hambini ride footage

I think those shifters could be installed lower in the handlebar, and be more streamlined with the rest of the bar. In the sl7 photo, they are way too high.

As an owner of both a Time VXRS (rim brake) and a Giant TCR Pro (disc), I can say that I can tell the differences in the rides. The Time is superior for longer days in the saddle, but the Giant accelerates better. Both handle the curves with aplomb as the geometries are very similar. But as I'm in my 50s and not lining up for the TdF anytime soon, I don't really care about any aerodynamic losses from the discs. The braking performance is better in all conditions and especially great in the wet. Also, having been a wheel builder for nearly 40 years, I can tell you that you can have lighter, stronger wheels with discs as the rim doesn't have to do a second job that requires additional material and strengthening. That also lowers the rotational weight for climbing and faster overall acceleration. But I'm just some punter that likes your videos.

Nice thought but they don't have a presence in France any more

@@Hambini hehe. That was the best I had. Long day. 👍

😂

They threw in 5 minute closet visit with Liz Hurley to seal the review

@@Hambini that'll be why mine has a "made in European union" badge on it and a cheeky little tricolor? 100% get what you mean about build quality though

I picked up an ADH21 last year after warrantying my Canyon (BB shell warped) and the difference is noticeable. Canyon feels like made of plastic, ADH21 is stiffer than

Doesn't get much simpler than a bicycle for transport.

@@slownoah423 Really... A BB shell gets waroed. Wow.

@@Reanimator999 yep it ovalized and even wrapping a BB with 1mm of tape, I could take it in/out of my frame with just my fingers. Canyon over the phone told me "how surprised they were because this NEVER happens" hahaha sure...

How light

He's an amateur at this game 🤓

Or follow his advice to go with 105, in Di2 there is no cabling or jxn box as the levers are bluetooth connected to the deraillers, but your frame has to be disc ready.

@@tednruth453 good one 😂

"Hambini on top of Liz Hurley" being now the new industry reference for speed? One of the best review so far where you can just feel the sheer passion with the rant toned down a bit.

i heard mapdec say spins up really well the other day, spins up well is prob not the wheel but the weight nd any wind direction like

Pity no pictures. Sounds like a KILLER bike. Enjoy.

Have you compared it to another bike of yours? Dont underestimate the power of belief. Placebo is real.

@@PhiyackYuh yes. I have 5 road bikes. 2 disk and 3 with rim brakes. I mounted all of them and the Time is, without any doubt, the one that presents the best quality of materials and in wich the measures are true and correct

@Jamison Roberts Which model?

Hambini's engineering analysis really convinced to get Time bike as my next road bike as well. Simply because I didn't want to waste my hard earned money on crap quality bike pretending as high quality bike. I got myself TIme Izon which is the predecessor to Alpe d'huez. I got it with good deal ($2K USD for whole bike) with power meter in great condition. So what frame color did you get for your Alpe d'huez? Mine is black with clear lacquer coat.

@@Reanimator999 You are right, he ruled out all the other Brands I was looking to. BMC, Cervelo, Scott etc. The first Time Hambini mentioned Time on his channel i started my research about RTM, the braiding they do and the whole process and was hooked. The frames are not very easy to obtain in Germany, in fact I had to buy the frame without ever seeing it in person or trying the bike. My Frame already came made in Slovakia and is the all flat black model. That was the only bummer for me, you don't see the beautiful Carbon Weave, but there was no choice. Took the Aktiv fork as well, because I am not a big weight weenie. Had it built with Ultegra DI2 Groupset, DT Swiss PR 1400 Dicut Wheels at around 6000 Euro. Not a bargain, but 2 years ago it looked really bad for Time so I was in fear they go out of business completely so I took the frame. But not regretting anything, it is beautiful.

@@masatsune3493It is beautiful bike. Well, Bianchi has that famous green color I like, but a paint job alone can't prove the superior quality. It was a good call to take the Activ fork. My Izon has Activ fork too and I still need test it on well paved road, not on pot-hole filled streets of San Francisco. Just like you, RTM is what convinced me to get Time bike. About the flat black color, I think it's not a bad idea to do custom paint or custom vinyl wrap. Their frames are already sold in red, blue, and other colors so why not?

I commented "So if the maths are correct, this newest bike is 700% stiffer than the same bike from 6 years ago, if marketing is to be believed..." *Crickets*

@@JackofNothingess don’t forget that the bikes should be lighter than air by now as well

Congrats for owning a bike for that long.

What a beautiful endorsement. Riding classic Time Sprint pedals. Super. One day they’ll go on a Time bike. 🙏🏼

I think he just did. The impression I get is that, for most of us, you'd have to spend far more money than you would ever want to to get a "good frame" from an engineering perspective. With the unfortunate caveat that there's no guarantee spending a ton of money will achieve that. In that sense, buy a Time if you have the money. The rest of us can rest easy knowing that, unless the BB or something else is massively out of whack, we won't be able to tell the difference if we get a £600 frame anyway. e.g the cranks in the BB in my bikes spins freely and the BB doesn't appear to be getting excessive wear, the frame hasn't cracked or fallen to pieces. Ergo I consider that a win. Would someone like Hambini taking a closer look, using proper measuring devices tell a different story? Quite possibly. But am I going to spend £3.5k (which their website says doesn't include tax or import duties) to get something like the Scylon that's nominally engineered better? Not a fucking chance.

Time Look

So a bunch of middle ages ass holes who screw their customers to the wall for every little minor procedure and then spend their ill gotten gains on over priced bikes.

How many of the clients are capable of working on their own bike(s)?

@@yonglingng5640 These are smart people, they can do anything they want to. Time is their enemy, that's all. (not the bike company)

@@yonglingng5640 Several were very handy, however, they also had a fleet of bikes so into the service room they would come... I'm talking about the highest echelon of bicycle consumers - to the point where we were receiving Pinarello bikes prior to them being released, the Campy 80th Anniversary grouppo being offered to them, first in the country type of clients. Sometimes ONLY people in the country type of clients

@@tomcassingham6322 At least you have a true high-caliber clientele. Where I live, none of the high-earning riders I've seen so far can conduct even a regular service on their own bikes, they only know how to wash them at most. Some don't even know how to remove a rear wheel. In my customer base, I only have one home mechanic, he just doesn't know how to handle the more technical stuff, yet.

I've always favoured regular internal routing over integrated internal routing, especially on older bikes or where performance isn't a very high priority. They're easier to pack for travelling too.

Very, very worth watching: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5bQQqJ3r20E.html

The best ride the ride you love. Keep rocking your MTB.

MTB performance has hugely improved over the last 20 years in a way road bikes haven't. I'm generally as fast on my 15 year old Trek Madone as my brand new Basso Astra, however when it comes to MTB I am just leagues faster on my 2022 Cotic Jeht vs 2005 Scott Genius - despite the former weighing nearly 5kg more! So while there's still a lot of marketing fluff (and some consumer dead ends e.g. 27.5" wheels) modern geo, bigger wheels, dropper posts, bigger brakes, 1x drivetrains, better tyres, wider bars etc. all add up to modern mountain bikes being much more capable than stuff from back in the day. Saying that we are probably at a bit of a plateau for MTB's as the marketeers are now all on the gravel bike train and all the R&D budgets will be going into those.... Probably by making them more and more like mountain bikes from 30 years ago - I can almost imagine the hype around the 2025 Shimano GRX 3x group set :)

You are right, it's a nice frame and well made but you can't discernibly tell the difference between this and a decent Aliexpress frame. Both will do the job sufficiently well in terms of what you can feel. You could argue the Time is over engineered or you are paying for European labour but fundamentally, if the test was blind. I don't think anyone would be able to tell the difference. If you weigh in the other things like what it looks like and the badge appeal, then it would sway towards Time but on a performance front, I stand by my comment and say you would be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference. Winspace review is coming up shortly, so that will give a comparison to High End direct to Market CN.

@@Hambini I think a lot can be said about buying into a reliable brand. It is a good thing that it is made in Europe, which support local workers and businesses. But you can also go to a shop and try the bike out. There is customer support and you local shop makes some money. You can't buy a bike from a picture on the internet. Stop buying them online and support your local bike mechanic.

@@Hambini I've been riding the Winspace T1500 aero bike for over a year now and I'm thoroughly impressed with its performance and value. So will be very curious to see your review on this one.

I'm surprised no one's taken a bunch of 'stock' bikes from various manufacturers, strapped a bunch of NVH sensors on 'em, then ridden the same long test route with each bike. You could empirically show which bikes are the 'stiffest' or 'compliant'. That'd actually be useful data. I suspect that NVH wouldn't vary much between frames...

The Trek issue stems from some fatso breaking his handlebars in Australia. It’s not built for 120kg riders.

I was obsessed with used Time NXS when it was on sale at a bike shop in Japan. Now, I'm with Time Izon.

Have you enquired with your surgeon and Time customer service to see if they can try and repair your bones with RTM tubing instead ?

Which frameset?

@@Edwin-fw4rh Alpe d’Huez w/Aktiv fork!

Time and Look are two* of the best manufacturers.

Newbie rider: "oh~~ yeah~~I'm going be faster with my latest disc brake aero bike " (under delusion and still not fit) Seasoned rider: (whips Newbie rider's a$$ with his 10-20 year old rim brake road bike) 😆

Good point. I hope Hambini is not a sell out. What a loss that would be.

If it wasn't scaled the visual difference to the eye would be imperceptible, even though the difference is still massively consequential when it comes to BB performance. This sort of scaling practise of graphics is pretty standard in the world of science and engineering communication, its purpose is to illustrate the data as hambini has mentioned in the past.

@@DomH1994The only three bikes I've ever owned with press fit bottom brackets were a Klein Attitude, a Time Fluidity and a Scylon. I have never had a creaking issue with any of them, and I didn't use anything but light grease on the surfaces. The precision matters a lot.

Is that clean?

And they allow for the bigger tire clearances that some people complain is lacking with rim brakes. I normally ride 28's but have been able to squeeze in a 30c tire on the rear of my DengFu R06. Helps smooth out the ride a bit.

Hambini has a French Bias. Time indeed make great frames. But see Luescher Teknik and how he talks about Look vs how Hambini does.

With all that fanfare, 3T only produced that much? Full of hot air to me.