Time Team S15-E12 From Constantinople to Cornwall, Padstow, North Cornwall 

That's really neat :)

It got me through the quarantine. It's great show.

I'm still watching....can't get enough.

Its so soothing :)

Day 2 form me :D

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Doom Bar is a very good pint.

Doom Bar is a good Cornish pint.

It's probably served "on the rocks"?

I'd drink it :)

If Lellizzick isn't an ice pop it should be.

Beautiful map!!!!

Go for it!

_You will,_ *Tom,* _you will._

Personally, I'm waiting to use the line, "I've been slapped around the face with the wet haddock of reality." That was architectural archaeologist Jonathan Foyle in S15E10, "Keeping Up With the Georgians."

@@haplessasshole9615 He's cool! I've noticed interesting asides or comments from him that were almost sarcastic, even rising to the smart-ass level, that were very surprising coming from a Brit. I even looked him up but he didn't spend any length of time in the US. He's refreshing, anyway!

@@eboracum2012 Who, Jonathan Foyle? Yeah. I'd like to be around if he and Paul Blinkhorn ever wound up on the same dig. It would be worth the sweat and blisters to sit at a table with them on the obligatory Evening of Day Two Pint-Fest. They are two hilariously funny guys. Then, when Sir Tony's around, the banter gets even livelier. He's a catalyst, that man is.

Well, some have said it but it was usually after they retied or were elected out of office. LOL.

This is what happens when idiots vote for *reality TV stars* instead of people who are educated in politics and have *real* leadership qualities. That happens because the general populace (like most people who hire others for jobs) think that the most important thing is the applicants popularity, not their ability. If people were wiser, they would respect honesty far more than popularity. Because those politicians who do admit they are sometimes wrong, are far far Far more honest than those who continually deny they have ever done anything wrong (everybody makes mistakes, that is a fact). Those people who never admit they are wrong, are outright bold-faced liars.

@@aylbdrmadison1051 This is what happens when a set of people find that the world has changed far more than what they are willing to prepare themselves for that change then turn around and blame those that have prepared for the change in society then have some idiot that thinks he can remake the world although if Adam & Eve had a better idea at the time what would happen if he bite that apple that just maybe he shuld not bite that apple. And of course there is always an element of the righteous wanting to punish those that they think are going in the wrong direction. The real clincher to getting back to a sense of reasonable logic is that the righteous start to abandon any sense of what is being done is fundamentally wrong and they should not stop projecting that on those that disagree with them or look different than them. But, there seems to be that string of a television and a reality "star" involved. Like a person selling a $ million of something, never having a background in that product and then all of a sudden a trailblazer.

@@aylbdrmadison1051 So what reality series did Obama, Bush, Clinton or JFK star in?

@@volundrfrey896 None. But, Clinton and JFK were close. The darkside of Camelot was a great book on JFK.

@anthonybrownhovelt - Then sailors who used that beaching technique would be VERY dependent on local knowledge in order to get unstuck. Example - beaching on the highest tide of the year would leave them actually high and dry for the next 12 months unless they could get a 100 men to help them dig out and haul their vessel to water deep enough to float in.

Look at all the places of the ancient past that were associated with the sea that no longer have frontage on it because of silting or the meters of soil that have to be removed in order to get to the archaeology? Remember that everytime your mother tells you to sweep the floor! LOL>

It was due to Dunbar sands (to us Cornish, Doom bar to everyone else), moving. We get really severe south westerlies, and believe me when a storm hits with a south westerly behind it, it moves huge chunks of sand down here. I'll show you a modern version of how sand gets drastically moved here in Cornwall. Ever seen a sand cliff?? Well here you go... i2-prod.plymouthherald.co.uk/incoming/article1016225.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/SWNS_SAND_CLIFF_02.jpg It happens a lot down here.. There are villages in Cornwall that have small little beaches, that can have all the sand stripped down to the slate and granite bedrock in one evening. Then re-appeare next day or couple of days later, just as if nothing had happened. lol... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11363263/Cornish-beach-is-washed-away-overnight...-then-reappears.html Dunbar sands is constandly moving.. The channel has moved at least once in the last 50 years. The powers that be were going to dredge it a while back, but in the end it turned out to be to expensive.

They don’t. Full excavations can take years. These guys are nothing but a survey crew with a great pr firm.

Just imagine all the prep they have to do in order to do these pre-history episodes. They have to find a piece of ground with a history, Put in all that stuff so that when the diggers come round to look for it they find it in stages that the bradcast looks very compelling, and on and on. That is a lot of wrk! LOL>

@@tompahdea9263 And some of those people have a great imagination! I mean, thinking up a whole empire and its history - *_WOW!_* ps No, I didn't think you were serious. 🙃

@@tompahdea9263 - Scoff if you like, but there had to be a ton of behind-the-scenes activity - - - from evaluating proposed sites, to extensive research on the chosen site, designing and filming all the side-bar knowledge-enhancing pieces (the map in the sand being an example), to trucking all the people and equipment to a site, to setting up tents or engaging local hotels and inns, to providing food and sanitation services to the site, to merely laying cables and setting up satellite dishes, sound equipment, and lighting. (Whew! The cameras aren't even rolling yet and I'm exhausted.) Then post-excavation activities like breaking down, packing, and trucking away all the equipment, Returning the site to pre-episode condition, post-production editing and adding animations, then marketing with TV trailers and a merchant website... This one show supported many different activities and trades AND expanded human knowledge while they were at it.

They have a new crowd sourced Time Team show on RU-vid with many of the original people.

I was thinking they wouldn’t need to get deep keel Spanish galleys in there, just some shallow ship to shore transport for easy coastal trade. I’d imagine anybody doing consistent trading with Britain would take its rocky coastline into account. And as for the shoreline, wouldn’t take much to build a jetty that likely wouldn’t survive to today.

@@johansmallberries9874- Or the jetty could now be buried in sand.

Maybe. If it were a port I'd have expected *Stewart* to have said so.

I thought that is exactly where they did dig?

I think the over-stretche the "port" - what if only a handful of ships called each year (summer)? What else but agriculture would the local people live off for the rest of the year? And would Carthagenean, Roman and Byzantian copper and tin buyers really trade with a bunch of subsistence farmers? To me it is far more likely that the various finds were simply "leftovers" from when ships called to buy copper and tin from whoever sold or supplied it, the l"eftovers" being traded to the local farmers for food and drink etc. You could probably get very drunk and or have a splendid night at the cost of one samian bowl or a few roman coins. Had it really been a bustling port, the layers of refuse/finds would likely have been much thicker - look at a place like York which had a similar longevity as a trading place (Roman through Viking/Norman times) and note the thickness of the layers there.

@@noremorsewoodworking2258 2,000 or so years ago a *British* port was rarely very big but any proper trading settlement by the sea is a port _by definition._

@alanrtment porter You're a _bit_ late - but any support is better than none! 😉

+widdershiznit Hahahahahaha....

+widdershiznit SO you're saying this was Pre Cornish pasty ? That puts it very early.

+kha sab Oh, aye. Indeed! And so exciting! I'm afraid they surely had anchovies as a topping. Perhaps this is where the fishing came in to play.

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Mick has a great sense of potential that he provides the programme otherwise who in their right hed would be willing to go out into the country without conveniences and spend 3 days trying to find a pile of stones and a beautiful tiled floor?

Any archaeologist worth their salt would be flattered to be considered for a single time team like dig.

@@tompahdea9263 - Oh, they had conveniences, alright. They were just off-camera, though in some episodes, you can see a food truck or the like. But they were there. They were always showing the computer tent with all the electronics gear and cabling and back-ground personnel. These were probably the plushest digs many of those archeologists were ever a part of.

Indeed it was, I spent a lot of time there myself in those days. Is Rick Stein still charging a week's wages for a two course lunch ?

@@Kevin-mx1vi Im not sure, I havent been home in 15 yrs, my uncle used to have a fishing boat at padstow, half my family lived down that way

They arent all from thr same period, there are many hundreds of years on top of each other

...he got there eventually, from map to chart :-)

@Ross Meldrum They had bronzed bodies from taking off their unironed clothes because the stoners creased up laughing at them.

Adam Mangler hot rocks and potato juice? Or maybe they wore them till the fell off!😂

I love Phil, he's totally awesome! But Francis is far wiser to more often say; _might, could be, or probably._ It is a simple fact is that we will always find more, learn more. If we keep our minds open to this obvious fact; we enable ourselves to learn more about anything and everything.

Phil isn’t right or wrong because he’s a simple laborer. Francis is an actual giant in the field-internationally as well as the UK.

...it's nobody's business but the Turks (for those who don't get it, that's a line from a They Might Be Giants song)

@@Jigger2361 it is very much everyone's business

@@stiannobelisto573 ...it's a line from a song - They Might Be Giants

I flew into Turkey in 1957 and left 1958.

Absolutely correct observation. And what an odd error for this show.

Of course they are visible of Google Earth. The Martians have been coming here for generations!

@STLbtgrl - I have always wondered about that, too. Did they have a rack that set the amphora into to keep them from rolling around in the hold and smashing? We need an "Amphora 101" episode.

No. Good lord.

*Jim Thompson* I'm sure they would _if_ they felt that such investigations would not be dumbed-down, trivialized and commercialized by the TV companies.

granskare ... and the point of your comment is what, exactly? Because it has f-all to do with this video!

@1stDigitalNomad - Storms aren't all THAT super.

...or a cyborg

And deemed "something religious", which is always used when they haven't got a clue about what they've found :)

Ritual

It's the other way round. Higher sea level means LESS ice at the poles. Global warming nowadays will mean less ice and, consequently, higher sea levels around the world.

Bruce A You are correct, but there's more: The sea level was a bit higher then, partially due to crustal compression by the immense weight of the glaciers, as well as from meltwater. The crust has been rebounding ever since, slowly pushing the land higher. Some of this effect has been cancelled out by modern polar melting.

+Bruce A sea levels change due to either more water (duh) or Glaciers pushing down the land. It is doubtful that there was a glacier large enough to push down cornwall at that moment in time.

Hoverbot1TV; If I understand what they said, it wasn't the sea level so mush as the depth of the sand/silt/mud in the river bottom. They augered through several meters of sand before hey got to the silt of 2000 years ago.

Sand and a piece of round wood would drill through quite easily would have thought. It's a method that's been used for centuries. :D

June of 2013. RIP!

Thank you. He was gone for awhile and then he's there as an observer. I thought he was dead before these episodes. Thank you for informing me. I will miss his rainbow clothes.

his jumper was buried in a time capsule

Peggy Jenkinson i beleave it was in session 20 he passes but not to shore on the day i just wish this show was still going i loved watching it but in happy to c u.tube has every session from 1 to 20 plus all the specials they did

I loved mick to the end of my days

Nope, it's just another of his little pre-set tricks to get the experts to explain. He fairly often expresses "doubt" about identifying finds.

Are you 'avin a laugh? Is he 'avin a laugh? I love this show and the archeologist . It's a show designed for the beginner and also children. It's been said many times "it's archeology for the beginner."

Are you 'avin a laugh? Is he 'avin a laugh? IT'S NOT b.s. Tony tries to get explanations in the simpler terms for all segments of the viewers. it must be working because they have been on the air for way over 20 years.

@@janetrapoza4142 - I find him to be a big turn-off. He was obviously in over his head. I watch "Time Team" in spite of Robinson, not because of him.

Because two days isn't long enough...

*Rachelle Brooke* The three days is because of production constraints like money and time. _All_ the archæologists had full-time archæological jobs.

Migrate?? Haha make that invaded

They call it Turkey because many viewers might not be familiar with Byzantium or Anatolia. Saves an unnecessary digression.

Wow! Back to spelling class for you. Not to mention grammar and punctuation.

MrBluesWife Maybe not, whole ass.

@paulypizzaful - Grammar and spelling are your friends. They certainly are for those of us who tried to read your screed.

+Fox1nDen The difference is sea level over the last 2000 years is about 25cm-50cm. Not a significant difference when vessels would have had a 3-4m draught. Yes, things could have come overland but sea travel was much more efficient. The sea was the highway in antiquity. The show doesn't go into the boring details but these folks have a few hundred years of experience between them and dating evidence from things like pottery are pretty accurate. The materials, the consistency, the styles and such all changed over time and those dates are well known.

+Stannous Flouride identifying when something was made is fairly easy in a small pond like British Isles where history has changed often, no quibble there. I just know a coin dated a certain date does not necessarily have to have been deposited with a group of other coins anywhere near the year it was made, as people who collect coins know. if a coin collection including coins from a 400 year period had been scattered, for example, by plowing, over a large area, that would not in itself prove people had lived there the whole time mentioned on the coins. It might mean the coin collector had built a great group of coins and some later farmer scattered them over a field unawares. Numismatists know exactly what I'm saying. I have found very old Polish coins in a field in northern Indiana but the chances of it having been lost from a collection are much better than that someone from Poland lived in what is now northern Indiana in the year of its date. The other thing I'm saying is people outside of the real finds tend to try to make boundaries between categories way more inflexible than they are, and in that sense I agree with Mick completely. Britons lived like Romans to keep up with the Joneses and to fit in with Roman political system of delegation to the locals, and maybe even into the Roman period lots of rural people preferred to live in roundhouses common to ages before. People are not as ridden by our categories as we sometimes assume. I have great respect for the professionalism of Mick and Phil and the specialists. They don't jump to conclusions as often as Tony does for example. Thanks for having the conversation. If we can't watch new Time teams we can talk about them...

+Fox1nDen " _if a coin collection including coins from a 400 year period had been scattered, for example, by plowing, over a large area, that would not in itself prove people had lived there the whole time mentioned on the coins_ " do you honestly think these highly trained, experienced archaeologists aren't aware of such simplistic ideas ??

+Fox1nDen , I share your sea level dating question marks, was it lower or higher within the time frame of the dig?

rofl, you still blathering on about coin collections?

ed lechleiter ... my thoughts exactly. Especially with a sandy cove. I'd have a lot more respect for the program if they got rid of the vertically challenged one & the other two had haircuts.

He plays the guitar, which is why the nails on his right hand are long... it's just that simple!

Well, if it is a flat piece of paper on some surface isn't then a serviette rather than a photograph? Archaeologists have to get with the times before they are left behind. LOL.

Jakathera; and listen to Tony point out that bad guess. :-)

@thomasmoeller2961 - Grow up. There is nothing more sexy than a fully functioning brain.

christosvoskresye True, but probably used "Turkish" as a modern geographical term that the average viewer would understand, I would guess.

***** I'm not very optimistic about "the average viewer". But just listen to the first bit, "... this is Turkish, ...." There is nothing in that to indicate that Asia Minor was meant; a better guess might be that it was at least from the Islamic world. After all, they talk about all kinds of things being "Roman" that were never in Rome and were built by people who had probably never seen Rome, because at least the CULTURE was Roman. None of this was produced by the Turkish culture.

+christosvoskresye Unfortunately, had they been accurate and described it as Byzantine I think few people would have associated with that empire and instead applied the modern meaning as something complex.

Seems like you're intent on picking holes - this is a TV show not a written thesis. When they say "Turkish" they mean "from the region that is now modern day Turkey". The average tv viewer is likely to know where modern Turkey sits on the map especially since the audience are British. If you found a coin made in India in 1870 you wouldn' call it a British Empire coin - you' refer to it as Indian. If this show were made in the eastern Med the references would be different as the audience would understand the local history differently and that Turkey didn't exist when the pots identified were made. Got any more nits you want to pick ? This show is filled with people who are world class academics and experts in their field - be pleased such educational material became so popular in the UK instead of the usual ignorant rubbish that is on our screens.

History Fanatic It's too bad that the English can't, according to you, find Asia Minor on a map. It used to be taught in school. As for the "India" vs "British Empire" bit, you are totally failing to understand the difference between a geographic region defined by (among other things) culture and language as opposed to political control. Yes, it would have been silly if Time Team had said that the items from Asia Minor implied trade with parts of the world as far away as the Roman Empire (which controlled Asia Minor), because pretty much all the trade partners available, including those just across the Channel, were parts of the Roman Empire. India has had a distinct cultural identity for a long time, regardless of whether or not they were independent or even unified. The same is true, to a somewhat lesser extent, of Germany. It makes sense to talk about Latin America even though it is not one political whole. On the other hand, if, say, the United States were to occupy Japan beginning this year, reduce the population along the lines of what happened to the American Indians, completely replace the culture, and rename the island group "the State of Roosevelt", it would still be pretty stupid to talk about what Tokugawa Ieyasu did in 1600 in the State of Roosevelt.

there are parallel octaves between the melody and the bass line, which makes it sound wrong. You have a good ear, Clare! Cheers, Willem (composer)

*Roone Briley* The three days is because of production constraints like money and time. _All_ the archæologists had full-time archæological jobs.

In Cornwall it's thought to have been either looe island or st micheals mount ( on looe island, they've actually found stone boat anchors and Roman coins there, which lends to ships docking and possibly trading}, as diodorus talks of a natural causeway at low tide (which is possible in both places, st michael's mount still has one) and where it is taken from the mines to ictis to be traded with the ships. Interestingly enough the cornish name for st michael's mount is, Karrek Loos yn Koos, which translates to hoar rock in woodland. It wasn't until a number of years ago that they actually found the remains of a pre-historic woodland in mounts bay after a server storm, so it means that the knowledge of that was carried down through the centuries in our oral history. Interesting isn't it? I love my birthplace, it has such a rich history...

Selçuklu>ottoman>turkey