Time To End The GOAT Debate

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Ken Climo is a 12x world champion and arguably the GOAT of disc golf.
But as Paul Mcbeth has continued to pad his stats we now have an argument for a NEW GOAT...
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@discgolfcontent Год назад

Do you guys agree?? This comment section is about to be dangerous! 😈😈😈

@DarttheLegend Год назад

Imagine if Climo got to play disc golf every day like McBeth. The fact he worked CONSTRUCTION 40 hours a week and still has so many stats over mcbeth should alone be enough to say "yeah Climo is so obviously the GOAT" If the disc golfers of the 90s in their prime had the opportunities for sponsorships and salaries as disc golfers do today, copy and pasted into the modern era we would see Barry Schultz, Ron Russell, and Scott Stokely playing at the level of McBeth, Wysocki, and Lizotte, and Climo would still be a lone pillar on a tier higher than them just as he was in our real history. I have always disagreed with the "more skilled players" arguments based on all those factors including the ones I didn't mention but were mentioned in the video.

@daveblessing12 Год назад

Comparing pdga ratings of different eras is a meaningless measurement. The strength of field is part of the rating calculations and not as many competitors are boosting that in Climo’s era. Many would say that’s all the more reason he’s not the best. This is a separate point and a fair thing to discuss.

@brandonstevens1832 2 месяца назад

I mean.. if anything, players are much better as there's a massive pool of players comparative to the 90s. Player rating is determined by how well other players play, so the "he had these discs" argument is awful. So this further illustrates how much better Paul is than Climo. This isn't even a debate. No offense to Ken, but his biggest competitor was Scott. And Scott was never the caliber of anyone in the top 50 today. Courses are much harder, take much more power, and requires extreme exertion on the body to throw max distance shots with drivers. You need a 500ft hyzer to birdie a lot of par 3s on tour today. Ken is and was amazing.. and he's probably more comparable to Wysocki (outstanding peaks) than PMB who is easily the most clutch player of all time.

@vcuteverything Год назад

Not only is Paul the GOAT, he's also one of the best ambassadors for this sport. Just a great representative of disc golf.

@tattooedjohnson Год назад

Bag kicker too. We all love playing with bag kickers.

@herbstomp003 Год назад

riiiiight because paul has worked so many jobs while on the pro tour...... you realize Ken had a full time job throughout his entire disc career? Ken is easily the better player complete with way more accomplishments than mcbish will ever have

@markmcgarity Год назад

no he isn't, likely you have been playing for 5 years and all you know is mcbeth. when he wins 12 worlds i will agree with you

@easy3discgolf144 Год назад

It's impossible to compare eras. Way too many variables. Ken was the goat of his era. McBeth is the goat of his era.

@pmac7641 Год назад

But this era is objectively better than the previous era, and it isn't even close. It's not Climo's fault he played in an earlier era, and if they switched ages, maybe it would be the opposite - but the truth is, prime McBeth dominates prime Climo.

@easy3discgolf144 Год назад

@@pmac7641 you're probably right. But that's the problem with the debate. It's impossible to test and know for sure. I say just let each goat of their era be the goat. They are both great players and made huge impacts on the game.

@pmac7641 Год назад

@@easy3discgolf144 I mean - I do get your sentiment, but I think it's telling that half the people argue McBeth is goat, and about half say "can't compare eras". Almost no one genuinely agues Climo was better, because it's objectively verifiable that Paul shot better rounds.

@jorgedomenech2153 Год назад

@@pmac7641 The Champ was where he needed to be. How old was MacBeth when the champ touched his shoulder??? he passed a great instinct to a young player called Mc Beth... they are of the same... each the better of the sport. Discgolf that is.... but what you fools dont realize... that the Goat was #1 PDGA "Steady" Ed Headrick . End of conversation, Sincerely, LOCO 10545 Bad Banana Ranch!

@skeller61 Год назад

I have to say, since ‘goat’ stands for “greatest of all time”, saying either was the “goat of his era” is an oxymoron.

@martingriggs6362 Год назад

Why are we comparing Paul and Kenny? Why not Ricky, or someone else? I will tell you why - Paul has 6 world championships. He is one of the most winning players right now. You can't end the debate between these 2 players because numbers don't prove anything. Strength of competition also means nothing. It's all speculation. Player ratings weren't even around till 2002. Paul is being filmed all the time, Kenny was filmed every now and then. You think Paul is the GOAT because he has better numbers right now, and you see how good he is on your screen, so what? Unless you can make Kenny 20 years younger, or take Paul back in your time machine then this "debate" is useless. I started playing in 1981, I watched Kenny live & in person. I say Kenny is better than Paul. Because the number of world championships is why Paul is in this conversation, Kenny is still the GOAT.

@jonnyboy7885 Год назад

Paul is the GOAT, hands down!

@henrypoth369 Год назад

Seem like most of the video was on player rating. I know it's never been brought up, but like in chess there's a thing call RATING INFLATION! The more competitors you have the rating system gets inflated. Just skimming through some of these comments. Climo would probably have been a better ambassador if he was getting paid like the current pros are.

@96stealth Год назад

Don’t know and don’t really care, but you may have just defeated you’re own argument. KC working a full time job and playing at that level is unbelievable. Think of how much harder they all had to work on their game. How good would other pros in sports be if they had to work full time jobs on top of playing their sport? Honestly Paul probably is better, but not by much considering he has no other worries financially. The last argument I’ll make is being able to play well under pressure. Something that can’t really be measured. KC is probably on par with PM in that category. Not really fair to compare a guy who played disc golf as a secondary job to a guy who only plays dg for a living.

@csag5193 Год назад

Climo did this part time, Paul does nothing else.

@herbstomp003 Год назад

Ken Climo by so far it's not even comparable. Ken had a job during his entire disc golf career, but Paul doesn't do anything other than play disc golf. Ken is easily better in every sense of the idea.

@go_dawgs Год назад

Let's let Paul finish his career........then everyone can compare...

@pmac7641 Год назад

Paul could retire today and he's still the GOAT.

@ryancollins5111 Год назад

Climo IS the GOAT.... I'm sorry but it's not really close. People are picking Macbeth cause that's who they know but I followed both and KC was more dominant in his era which is the only metric that should be used when comparing players from different generations.

@brandonstevens1832 2 месяца назад

I've watched both and Ken never had to struggle for much. His competition would struggle to place in the top 50 in today's game. If he played in today's game, disc golf only, without a job, he'd likely have 0 World Championships. Not a knock to him, just a realization that today's players are much better.

@orionmyth 9 месяцев назад

Young folks these days are confused about the "all time" part 😅

@joeblow2426 Год назад

This debate again…is not really a debate because you can’t compare the eras, as has already been said. It was a different game in Climo’s era: shorter courses, single chain baskets, mostly backhand play, and fewer, slower discs with so-so less consistent plastic. In Climo’s era, they played a finesse game meaning you would have to throw your disc with a certain speed and angle to get the line you wanted, given the wind and weather conditions. They also had few discs to choose from. That meant that one disc would do the job of many by today’s standards. And the stable disc they had in their bag could quickly become understable after a few tree hits because of the poor plastic. The pros were always searching for those good runs of hard to find overstable discs because discs in general were so inconsistent, much more than today. When they found one, it was like finding gold, and nobody was giving away good discs as they were so hard to find. Because the discs were often understable, the player were experts at the anhyzer and turnover shots, especially in the woods. And they could improvise with the “wrong” disc when they had to. Sidearm or big distance was not considered necessary. When Stokley played on the tour last year, players said he still had big distance and one of the best sidearms in the game. He had these same advantages when he played in the 1990s , but he could never beat Climo. The single chain baskets would spit out several dead center putts every round. And this is with the general use of the softer loftier spush putt because a spin putt would spit out more. A big putt would have a hard time staying in the basket. That’s why it was often normal to lay up when putting outside C1. So, could McBeth or the players of today beat Climo in the 1990s? Not happening. Just as Climo couldn’t beat McBeth or many of the players of today. The game is too different in each era. To compare, conditions and skills have to be relatively the same and in the Climo / McBeth eras they are not.

@satoshimoshi946 Год назад

Ha!! Sick vid!! Literally just left a comment about this on a diff video of yours 😂

@davidsonmcmurray Год назад

That thumbnail is amazing

@Chubbydippin Год назад

Ultimately this debate doesn't really matter. Russell vs Jordan isn't really a good comparison. Basketball is a team sport. It's more similar to Woods vs Nicklaus. Comparing the eras is like apples to hammers. Paul benefits from plastic and disc changes and more money on tour leading to having the leverage to make it a career. Ken seems to get penalized for fewer great competitors in his era which I don't get. How is that His fault. So since Wilt Chamberlain played against less talented defenses and players, is his individual dominance less impressive too? Had there been more and greater competitors for Ken, the game would've become bigger sooner. If the game was more popular when Ken dominated, he would have made more $$ and been able to make it a career too. Paul has been a almost impenetrable wall his fellow tour players have had to reckon with for a long time. And yes, Paul changed the game. Flipped the plastic script to new heights for sure. Let's not forget though, there may have never been the emergence of a player like Paul if it weren't for Ken. Ken paved the way for Paul and so many others. Without Ken doing that to Begin with, this debate would never have happened. For that reason, Ken The Champ, is the greatest in my opinion.

@atranger1944 Год назад

Climo because they don’t build em like they used too

@joelea12345 Год назад

World titles are the most impressive. Climo is the goat

@Notimp0rtant523 Год назад

Kenny did more with less.

@mobigsly9595 Год назад

The Bill Russell Jordan comparison is no good.. basketball is a team sport.

@toddkauk6099 Год назад

Climo for me

@mawage666 Год назад

So what you're saying is, if Ken Climo at his absolute best had a time machine and traveled into the future to 2022, that he would get destroyed by McBeth? But also if he trained 24/7 like today pros and had access to today's discs, he would then likely be on the same level as McBeth?

@joeblow2426 Год назад

Right. This is a definite “what if.” What if Climo went back to the future as a child and developed a consistent side arm, a spin putt, used better and more types of discs, threw at multi-row chained baskets, played longer more challenging courses, and developed a modern, more reliable throwing technique? Or, what if McBeth went back to the past as a young man, never having played before, taught himself to play backhand only, learned to play a finesse game throwing a few stable and understable discs with mostly poor inconsistent plastic, spush putted at single chain baskets, and played on short courses? Then you could actually make a fair comparison between the two. (Good luck with that.) Statistics are much more meaningful when conditions are relatively the same. (Numbers can also be manipulated to project a desired outcome.) Clearly, in this comparison playing conditions are not close to being the same. The game in the two eras is too different.

@nicks6313 Год назад

Ricky W is way better and way more consistent than Paul. Everyone just loves to ride pauly lol

@jeremykisling8292 Год назад

Climo is the goat 💯 No questions asked 👍

@henrymanahan2764 Год назад

consider the courses they were playing. Yeah they had less disc technology but they were playing shorter courses. Different eras

@robertthunder2762 Год назад

I wish climo would get into the commentary booth or at least make himself seen.

@Discsforbaskets Год назад

Another reason he isn't the GOAT.

@toyz1784 Год назад

Would have been better if your graphs showing player rating used the same scale on the rating axis. Throws off the visual comparison 🧐

@BeeeBeez18 Год назад

The problem is... You'll never know.... But! Kenny did beat paul on a few occasions. Also, I think in 2016, kenny avgd. 1019 that year.... Not to mention the 1030 1040 rounds he played. He hit a couple 1050 rated rounds in 2015 a few times also. I think the consistency was falling but put that into perspective. He's playing at a high level towards the END of his career. I dont think he beat paul in that 4 yr stretch where he won all his titles... but again... He stopped playing soon after ... I think it's safe to say that they would have insanely good match-ups if Kenny was in his prime. This is 10 years AFTER Klimo won his last world title in MPO. And still put up insane numbers against good competition. His only tournament is 2017, and he avg. 1022. And Paul won with an avg of 1059. But again... That was kennys only sanctioned event that year. And hasn't played since. It's hard to think about because I think Paul is better. Ken Klimo was doing very well at the end of his career though, and I think if Kenny was in his prime, then his numbers are going to have a significant increase. I think people don't give Ken the respect he deserves. And just looking at how he played and when he played, not a lot of people recognize how good Kenny really was.

@Steve-hv1bg Год назад

Its funny you show a video with Brodie and Paul interacting

@cliftonluce1534 Год назад

I’ve got a 12x KC pro roc and 12x KC champion Tbird in my bag no Mcbeth disc

@sammyboyyy 8 месяцев назад

gotta get you one...my favorite disc of all time is my 12x Wraith but i have a lotta mcbeth discs too!

@neilmilroy2093 Год назад

Not to settle the GOAT debate but I want to see prime Climo vs McBeth on a technical, wooded course like WR Jackson, Northwood, parts of GMC, MVP Open courses etc …head to head in the woods, I’m taking Paul. Seems like a lot of the courses in KC’s era were open fields, sloping golf course style holes and I would want to see them head to head with more technical, scrambling golf, with a wider variety of needed shot shaping selections. I’d take Paul over KC in the woods. I’d be interested to hear others thoughts on this. ***also, I think Ricky Vs Paul stats are different comparison than Ken Vs Paul for example because the same era Vs different eras…Ricky>Paul in a lot of tournaments except the big majors…where it counts more…6x Worlds, USDGCs > Ricky’s recent Elite Series wins or even DGPT…Worlds I think is the biggest stage of them all…6x in Paul’s era as opposed to Climo’s is more impressive to me AND let’s not forget Paul has been in the Top 2 at Worlds for the last 10 years

@DarttheLegend Год назад

You may not have been around back then, so I forgive the ignorance but I was around for disc golf in the 90s and disc golf was almost EXCLUSIVELY played in the woods back then. When USDGC first started in 1999 was when “open courses” really started to become a concept. Old school disc golfers hate open courses.

@neilmilroy2093 Год назад

@@DarttheLegend nope! I wasn’t around back then! I only started playing disc golf a few years ago. I’m just going off of the videos I’ve seen of Ken Climo playing! Those were all open courses or at least those holes. Thanks for educating me!

@cadevaughn7596 Год назад

When will McBeth and Tiger play together?

@robertkitchens6341 Год назад

Best disc golf viedo iv ever seen

@chrisgirth7373 Год назад

I dont think there is a fair answer because there is too much "what if" to debate. Climo is a legend regardless and Paul is amazing in his own right. Can't we just say we will never see the level of domination Climo displayed in the 90s and that Paul is the best player post Climo?

@nickbaker5296 Год назад

your x axis on the ratings comparison is crazy misleading - I completely agree Paul is better, but I think looking at the variance of each player rating and having a unified x axis scale would be more pure imo

@nickackerman3998 Год назад

I was looking for this comment

@macthemurse Год назад

Let's see a match between the two!

@orionmyth 9 месяцев назад

The title of goat always falls to the veteran. To be the goat means you've been in the game the longest

@addone2745 Год назад

PM is the GOAT.🐐 Not even close. you could take any top 25 PDGA player fom today, an they would dominate in the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. The sport just wasnt the same. the courses were very easy an alot simpler. Somthing also can be said of the lack of OB in the earlier days, it was simply alot easer to score a higher round. Aslo Todays day an age of talent is Iron on top of Iron, zero room for error. This era of talent is full of yong, athletic, tall 6' plus players. Compared to then it was a bunch of part time contractors and plumbers doing it as a hobby. you cant say the sport realy got competitive untile about 2010.

@mitchadam9602 Год назад

very true

@DP-yu4rr Год назад

climo ALL day long

@gilbertnunez4512 Год назад

Bill Russell is the goat!!

@brandonstevens1832 2 месяца назад

The GOAT of being on a superteam in a 6-8 team league with one round before the "Finals". You're one of them "Robert Horry is better than Kobe, Jordan, Lebron, Giannis, Jokic" guys lmao

@HonduDan Год назад

Climo is the GOAT, without him, there is no McBeth. I love Paul, I think he is right up there with Ken, but you cannot deny the importance and dominance of Ken Climo.

@Discsforbaskets Год назад

Without him there's no Paul? Gotta elaborate on that cause that makes no sense. Climo wasn't responsible for mcbeth getting into disc golf.

@HonduDan Год назад

@@Discsforbaskets Climo had a big hand in growing the sport and popularizing disc golf. Can't deny that. Had Climo not have brought more of a spotlight onto diac golf, it likely wouldn't have gained the traction it had when Paul started. It's all hypothetical, of course.

@SildarHazelshade 2 месяца назад

People still argue all the time about whether MJ was the goat. It is far from something "we all know" that MJ was more dominant than Bill Russell. I'd even say McBeth is far more dominant at dg than MJ was at basketball, and even that isn't enough to say McBeth is clearly the goat over Climo. In other words McBeth and Climo both have stronger claims to disc golf goat than MJ has to basketball goat. In most ways, the differences between the two eras kind of balance out. The other competitors that each had to dominate all had the same conditions imposed on them in their respective era. Climo courses were easy, McBeth courses are hard. Climo discs were crap, McBeth discs are great. Climo disc selection was few, McBeth's is many. Climo and the old guys were working stiff hobbyists, McBeth and the young guys are 100% pro disc golfers. Climo's collective knowledge of the game was small (the game was relatively new), McBeth's is big. The difference that doesn't balance out is number of competitors. More guys getting into the sport and playing in any given tournament is going to make it harder to dominate. And McBeth had to beat more guys than Climo. So his numbers get more weight. But, as the table shows, Climo's numbers are higher. So it ends up being really close. As of now I think Climo still takes it. And I think if you had him and McBeth start in the same era I think Climo would be more dominant by the time both players finished their careers. But McBeth's career is not over yet, and every potential win is only getting more valuable as the sport grows....

@DP-yu4rr Год назад

rating does not count. 1000 back than was like 1030 today

@robertkitchens6341 Год назад

How dare you disrespect climo the goat

@sethpeake Год назад

I agree with ya!.

@Barbariandisks Год назад

Climo is what now, masters division or senor masters? I think he's around my age, and I'm 55

@DarttheLegend Год назад

He’s 54, but he can’t play tournaments anymore because of an irreparable hip injury several years ago

@danieljittan1279 Год назад

its not even a debate

@ErnoAlias Год назад

Paul is the Goat. He is just from another planet.

@tattooedjohnson Год назад

Paul probably beats Ken heads up...but Ken set up the entire sport to be this popular! He's number two behind Steady Ed!

@Discsforbaskets Год назад

How did Ken set the sport up to be popular? He wasn't ever a big personality from my understanding, just a good player.

@tattooedjohnson Год назад

@PK KP He legitimized a sport that got zero respect as a sport. He gave the entire competitive community a square target to go for. He put tournament play on the map being dominant. It's like saying Bill Russell was trash because he wasn't LeBron. NO KENNY NO PAUL...happy discing!

@samhowl1152 Год назад

The real question is not whether Paul Mcbeth is better, he is. The real question is, would Paul Mcbeth the disc golfer exist without him?The fact that he would not, arguably makes Ken Climo the greatest of all time.

@ShawnSchulz Год назад

I don't think Climo is his dad. :)

@hyzerfl1p Месяц назад

IMO it’s still Kenny! Paul is a close second

@ETXB Год назад

Paul's stats speak for themselves but Climo's have a bunch of what-ifs. Hard to compare different eras, especially when they're so different.

@stpftw1 Год назад

its like comparing Gretzky to Mcdavid.

@Monkey-biz Год назад

McBeth, and probably nobody ever this dominant again... well maybe Buhr :p

@DoubledsFOD Год назад

Paul has my vote

@DrFrisb Год назад

Video ends at 43 seconds.

@discgolfcontent Год назад

youre one of them! 🤣

@DrFrisb Год назад

Statistics don't lie

@t____g____5606 Год назад

It’s ok. Keyser don’t have something called common sense. Brodie Smith would’ve spanked climo back in the day. Just watch footage. That’s like saying Joe Biden is cognitively sharp.

@martingriggs6362 Год назад

@@discgolfcontent I am one of them. I watched Kenny in his prime. I started playing in 1981. I have watched a lot of disc golf. Paul is very good, but Kenny is better because of his mental game. That's why the video ends in 43 seconds.

@EssentialDG Год назад

McBeth no doubt is 🐐

@dillonterry1 Год назад

Climo is the goat. Respect where disc golf came from. Paul is great but numbers don't lie. people will always be able to make excuses for why it's a newer player. There's probably a kid right now that will one day be a world champion and he'll be up against stiffer competition, he'll have more time dedicated to the sport and with better equipment and discs. Ken climo is the goat just like Michael Jordan is the goat of basketball .

@Discsforbaskets Год назад

By your logic, Bill is the goat not Jordan. Climo wasn't playing pros that had the dedication he had or the players today have to the sport.

@dillonterry1 Год назад

@@Discsforbaskets Sure.. but he also didn't dedicate near as much of his time or have near the level of disc options that Paul has. Paul is making enough money to do this for a living. Climo had a job and still dominated in his spare time. it's a fun debate to have but Paul still has some wins to stack up and many more years to play. so we shall see. Either way Climo is a legend and his records will stand. A goat is an opinion.

@jacob_coleman25 Год назад

U literally only stated why Climo was better. I don't get your point bro

@schilkeman Год назад

I think the level of competition says it all. McBeth all the way!

@joonaskuusisto2767 Год назад

One could device a metric which uses average distance to gain strokes from driving. Distance isn’t everything but given two players with equal putting, the one that throws farther with same accurary as the other will simply get better scores. I’m content that this kind of metric has gone up in years. Essentially it would say that in 90’s precision 300ft was enough to be in the mix. Now we are talking at least 400ft of shaped golf lines to get birdies and gain strokes. Then there probably already exist a metric which accounts for dominance. Often the more mature a sport is the more difficult it’s to dominate and there’s higher variance in winners. Dominant players could be called game changers as they take the sport to a new level. I’d imagine there’s a way of estimating players performance who plays in hard-to-dominate-era.

@larryfaust3907 Год назад

You can't compare discgolf to basketball So don't try. How about comparing discgolf to traditional golf......this makes more sense. So.... Who is considered the greatest golfer of all time? I believe the majority believes it's Jack " the Golden Bear" Nickaulus., With Tiger being 2nd. If they played against each other most think Tiger would best Jack. The same applys with these two. McBeth is hands down a better discgolfer and would come out on top more against Climo, but Climo is the GOAT!!

@dyvel Год назад

You will also have to consider the inflation that comes with development of new technology, new plastics new molds, need training regimes, knowledge etc. Maybe Macbeth wouldn't even have been close to climo in the 90's and 00's, when the game and the equipment was less developed? So maybe consider en normal distribution of professional players ratings and see if either player stands out when correcting for gained knowledge and better equipment. If no correction is made my suggestion is that every Hall of Fame in sports history should be cleared out because no players back then could compete with today's professionals.

@HaikesXO Год назад

Paul mcbeth is disc golf. Disc golf is Paul mcbeth

@WillEnj0y Год назад

It’s obviously gonna be McBeth. It’s like how Jordan was on a different level than those before him. The field is just so much stronger these days.

@CommonSenseCriticism Год назад

Nowadays, more players are 10 strokes away from the lead than were even in the tournaments in the early 2000s. It's different eras though, comparing them is pointless. Like you said, Paul has more discs and better discs to choose from. But there's at least 30 players that are just as skilled as he is in every tournament.

@TheGerthvader Год назад

Didnt represent the growth of the disc technology accurately. Climo almost swept the 90's in his prime. The wraith didn't come out until 05' and Ken also bagged a dd2 which is speed 13

@ralki15 Год назад

Ken Climo dominated a weak era, simple as that. His only closest threat/rival is Barry Schultz (2X World Champion, with only 1 of that in 2004 beating Climo at Worlds), but that's just 1 threat Climo was put to the test, but for every other player in Climo's era he just beats them with ease, whereas McBeth had to go up against loads of good players in his era, not just 1. That's the only reason why Climo's career statistics in all 4 category are so high in his era, especially his ridiculous 12X World Champion in his name that somehow no other player in Climo's era didn't even come close to 😆, which validates a weak era.

@thomasshileny4551 Год назад

Putting that Brodie Smith clip in was brilliant all things considered

@dylanleach3037 Год назад

Great take and great vid, Paul is the 🐐

@mitchellphillips4691 Год назад

People forget Paul has elite FH too. Kenny couldn’t even throw them much

@adamc2837 Год назад

Dude! If you are going to talk about ratings than you need to understand the system. The skewed the ratings system up after Climo left. Also Climo only had one or two majors a year. Climo would have like 40

@elliottloven Год назад

I'll just say this. Imagine McBeth played in KC's era, with the same work ethic he had. There you have the answer ;)

@Hondasannn Год назад

McBeast is the 🐐

@ViolinMustard-jo3hp Год назад

If Paul played back then he’d have 20 world titles

@aguila6162 Год назад

This guy's a stat dummy. He goes by stats ,he doesn't understand different eras. He doesn't understand the game . Michael Jordan was the biggest travel ,palming/ carrying basketball player of his time. NBA has changred the game for players like Jordan.

@CraigsCuts Год назад

This is easy. Ken klimo is bill Russell , playing a long time ago against short white dudes. Mcbeth is jordan. Growth of the sport is wild, big names and consumerism rampid . We are waiting on the lebron .of disc golf Gannon basically but he will need to prove it MCBETH IS THE 🐐 no doubt . McBeast , no one will ever shoot -18 at Milford toboggan course ever again

@DarttheLegend Год назад

I prefer the Jack Nicklaus/ Tiger Woods analogy. Jack Nicklaus is the GOAT but people think Tiger is because of recency bias, because they saw him play, and this is no different, Climo is on a level no mortal has ever come close to and made no mistakes during his prime years. Paul makes mistakes all the time

@chrislight4325 Год назад

Paul is the GOAT.

@gamergoohoo Год назад

The development of the backhand form and forehand form have also played roles in Paul being better than kenny. Paul was raised in a climate that better understood the game. Paul is the all time GOAT, but Kenny never got a fair chance at playing in our modern era. He would have been a completely different golfer, likely throwing forehands and playing full-time. No matter how good Kenny was, you could never justify that he was better than Paul. Different eras, different lifestyles, different game. Kenny was the GOAT of his era.

@PetersPan24 Год назад

Disc technology increasing player skill ceiling is mfg hype since 2008. Nothing since the Destroyer

@joonaskuusisto2767 Год назад

This is actually a valid point. One could argue that all distance drivers in pro players bags could be replaced with different stabilities of Destroyers. I also have hard time seeing how disc technology has evolved drastically since Destroyer and premium plastic. Maybe Blizzard Champ Boss is an example, lightweight speed 13 disc that can handle torque better than it’s weightclass but that’s it.

@bosoxdanc1 Год назад

It's Paul, and it's not even remotely close.

@rogerkoenigseder3745 Год назад

Larry Bird.

@chrisscheper7926 Год назад

Mcbeth no question is the goat

@sammyboyyy Год назад

McBeast is the GOAT

@JayTyrus Год назад

McBeast!!!!!

@R.M.DiscGolf Год назад

McGoat for sure

@Holycow723 Год назад

P Mc B is the GOAT! Look at how harder these courses are and the amount of amazing players. Sorry Climo...

@916solo Год назад

If you think Paul is the Goat, than why don't you think Gannon is the goat?

@shitbird9429 Год назад

He hasn't won enough or proven his longevity yet

@mbarrett99 Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6aVirSX1EdU.html is pretty much all you need to look at. Things like player rating or number of majors will always be subjective, because they are from two different eras and the sport has changed.