Happy New Years guys! I hope you guys had a good time and stayed safe. I'm sorry about the mic quality being weird this episode. I'll try my best to fix it but not really sure why it was different than normal.
Huge growth, congrats on that. Really like your approach to playing the game. Humble and asking questions rather than arguing with people while you're learning. Keep it up.
Keep it up mate. Love how you don’t let the toxic players (m+) deter you from finishing your keys. Doing a 20 at your ilvl is insanely impressive. I’m always helping lower guys push their keys. We need a better community in retail wow.
Love the videos and challenge! For oakheart, you can range the breath frontal. It’s a bit tricky with pally compared to vdh since they can leap the distance. But if you divine steed away right before DBM says the frontal is coming then you can out range it. Tricky but doable with practice. As for Chronikar, recommend saving a wod proc and 3 holy power for double wod along with a defensive. Tanking is tough role, especially with pugs. Props to you on getting the 20 in the end!
Dude AT is the pig killer for real I'm making pally this expac and prot specifically so i 100% know how you felt learning to tank as a pally. You're amazing man keep on keepin on and thsnk you for the content.
That would be Pawn, if you download it then be careful since it uses stat weights that aren't the most reliable source for what is actually the best upgrade
For Chronikar what I like to do is to stack my word of glory twice, once with the stacked up one and the other one with 3 Holy Power, I also use Bastion of Light there to make sure I do not run out of shield stacks. Also, from my experience, start using defensives more freely, don't be afraid to use them, majority of them are on a very low cooldown and, use wings pretty much on every pull when available, Guardian's and Divine Shield's cooldown are getting lowered while you are doing your basic rotation and spending Holy Power. Also it is important to test out the flow of the group and see what they are capable of, go big, do not be scared, sequence your defensives and you should pretty much be able to live through anything. Hope it helps!
Thanks, I might try out some different talents for Fall to try to make that fight a bit less stressful. I totally agree that on fort week it can be a good idea to go big on the first pull to test your group and I've slowly gotten more confidence to do so
Go for it, the game feels pretty forgiving to new players in my opinion and the only time it can be troublesome is with alts unless you put lots of time in them!
Woo been looking forward to this! @13:00 it was definitely the imps that pulled they are annoying af, im guessing it put you in combat so your trinket or weapon enchant or something did damage. I main warlock and it happens all the time there cos of stupid imps lol
Yeah, the rogue even called it and said before the shroud to pray for the imps not to pull but oh well. I'm glad I know that now for when I play with demo locks
For that first boss in Fall I’d recommend learning when a tank buster is about to happen (maybe getting WA for it) so you can use a defensive before hand so when he hits you with it you take minimal damage which gives you time to heal the heal absorb. I like to use either AD or just pop Guardian right before and if need be bubble if I’m strapped on CDs. I also make sure I have a few holy charges so when I do get that heal absorb I use WoG instantly and it usually takes 90% or more of that heal off already. That’s my recommendation
With the healing absorb on first boss of fall you get a debuff that makes you take a ton more damage (+200%) and the debuff cant be dispelled until the healing absorb is gone, so you wanna heal yourself as much as possible and pop a defensive for sure to make it easier for the healer but they should also be ready for it when it comes or you just die in higher keys.
The best way to not expose your back while tanking is by utilizing strafing. You can strafe directly away from a mob and the game still registers this as you facing the mob (and you don't have to do the slow back pedal). If you run directly away from a mob without strafing, your back is turned.
Do you have a weakaura to track consecrate? I don't see one in your ui but I may be blind. For Oakheart you can pretty much tank the breath without a defensive and then save your defensives to rotate them on grips. At higher levels (beyond what you'd need for 3k io) the breath will hit you hard and then you can do a trick where you actually run away from it to avoid it entirely, but for now I wouldn't worry about that. For his grip rotate your wings, ancient kings, and ardent + tyr, then bubble or lay on hands in a pinch. Lots of bosses will have tank busters that require you to rotate your big defensives so learning a rhythm for your defensive rotations is important. Also, you can use abilities in the grip so it's good to pool holy power for wog while also saving a free one to use during the grip. If the grip moves you out of consecrate you can replace it. Lastly, by standing in the roots he puts down players can make them go away, blessing of freedom is super nice for this to get fewer adds. I wouldn't necessarily freedom yourself and try to run over roots because it might lead to weird boss movement, but if you have a person in your group willing to run over them you can use freedom on them.
I learned the blessing of freedom trick from another paly and that is life changing since I thought you could only use it to get rid of 1 but you can get rid of tons. For my consecrate I have just been tracking it with my main paladin WA that shows it on the top left. It tells me how much time left and if I am out of the range of it when it is active
at 9:34 as prot pally you always want to drop consercration no matter what. The DR it gives is assentiel to help midigate those big hits. The DR that conssercration gives for standing in it scales with mastery, rn most prot pallys in high keys are running the stats value of Haste > Mastery. with verse and crit being second to Ilvl. As much as possible you want to drop consercration aspecially if you know a big hit or a lot of damage is going to happen.
Best thing I’ve learned as a tank is to also influence your pulls based on your team comp - long CD kicks? Try to pull less that require more of them and so on so forth.
As a balance druid main I agree, I've noticed that usually boomys and warlocks have a lot less frequent kicks so Throne of the Tides for example can be tough
I play tank pala for AD i bubble after the second soul to destroy as much as i can for spider, and use freedom for the vines affix and everboom flower debuff bc it is slow and increase dmg to u. One more thing eye of tyr put debuff for enemy so make sure they are close to u. GL with the road to 3k i like the idea.
@ 14:43 the DH died bc he ripped threat on a couple mobs and got melee'd to death. He could have used a personal but it was pretty quick and unexpected. True he was bursting, but this is 100% your fault. But you're also correct in your assessment that you were being greedy with your cooldowns. It looks like you're a few seconds into the pull and neither Sentinel or Eye of Tyr are on cooldown. You ought to be cycling through your cooldowns, especially considering that Prot Pally spec into plenty of CDR on nearly all our defensives. Also it's Fort week and this is a dangerous pull for your ilvl. The boss fight coming up doesn't really require you to save anything for a particular mechanic, especially on Fort week. A couple more general tips: As Prot Paladin u should be taking advantage of the ranged silence from Avenger's Shield. If there's a caster at range that no one else wants to kick I always throw my shield at them as soon as it comes back up. And as a tank u may want to update your nameplates as its difficult to tell what you do and do not have threat on.
I had no idea about the CDR until about a week ago. I was watching some footage back and you are totally right. I am trying to use them more sparingly now. I think if I keep a closer eye on my dps player's cds hopefully I will be able to predict when they will be getting lots of threat. Thanks for the tips!
@@newmenn No problem! I hope it didn’t come off as too harsh. I just see people in my keys hold their CDs for sometimes double their cooldowns. The base CD for Bubble, Kings, Wings, and Ardent are long enough that ppl try to save them for an emergency but CDR gets them up nearly every other pull. If ppl just used their CDs to mitigate the damage before it gets critical or melt mobs before they become dangerous, these emergencies they’re worried about would never happen. This is a general tip for anyone who reads this comment.
Don’t forget that the ring is super cheap to craft maybe under 700g and it doesn’t count towards your embellishment limit if you just craft the raw ring with a drac for perfect stats
For guides if you are new to a class I would check out wowhead and youtube. For which class to pick out of those 3. They are all good to great in terms of how they are in the meta. Demo Lock is really strong in raid and the other two have great AOE (Monk) or Survivability (Paly). I would go with which one you enjoy most since all 3 are good at the moment
At 12:59 look at the warlocks health bar. For a split second you can even see the damage number pop up on the bottom of the screen. Warlocks pet pulled and they aggrod him and killed him. Then went on to the rest of you.
On Oakhart just use active mitigation and save your big defensives for when he grips you, that's all I do atleast however I'm a Blood DK but the general idea is still there.
Yeah, I think it was a low key problem where I wasn’t aware the best situations to use my cooldowns so when a tough boss happened I wasn’t prepared to use them
Really random but I really fuck with your UI setup, do you have a sort of export or something so I could try it out? I'm relatively new to wow and trying to find a comfortable UI setup
At 12:55 you didn't pull that first pack, it looks like your warlock pulled, the damage you dealt was your ursine vengeance trinket which procs damage when your or an ally takes damage. Sometimes your party members are gonna mess up and you can only control what you can control. Only tip I can think of to minimise the possibility of it being your own mistake in the future is to use a smaller mount for this shroud, pretty minor but it helps in a lot of cases for being more precise with movement controls so you don't get stuck on walls and know exactly where your character is. Also looks like you had some lag similar to in the everbloom at 13:05 where your allies kinda teleported around a bit, might be worth looking into troubleshooting your internet especially for a tank in high keys in some situations a missed gcd or two can be a party wipe. Keen for these videos man, it's cool to see your journey, keep it up.
Thanks dude! The small mount is a pretty cool tip that seems small but could be really important so I will try to remember that. As for the internet situation, I am supposed to get better internet soon but the new provider has been saying that for a while. I think the winter has really slowed it down so praying I get it sooner rather than later
Just pausing to comment that you can use freedom on the dreadpetal lashers in everbloom, the stacking dot they put on you is a snare, so freedom removes it, and is a huge mitigation tool there. *Edit* I see you make note of it in a later Everbloom run, was just commenting on the early one seeing you waddle around and take a lot of damage, heh.
6:50 you can outrange the breath and take 0 dmg as pala use your horse and run away right as your bigwigs/dbm timer says its going to cast in about .5 seconds
also if you drop your consecrate right under the boss, youll be in it for the grip and will get the DR, and also in higher keys think of sentinel as a defensive and not an offensive 90% of the time
9:41 you should use a defensive before that heal absorb because I believe the absorb is based off of the initial hit. More DR you have the less the absorb.
Yep, done on purpose so that just incase if somebody in game looks me up. They don't somehow find my other characters even though they aren't linked to each other
m+ this season is pretty easy, a good season to go for 3k, i have done +20 with pugs at ilvl 450, people dont mind helping if it your own key, GL with the challange
Not new to tanking but I haven't tanked in many expos and started it this season both tanks can do 20+ keys it's nice to control the group and know the chances or a wipe are slim unless I decide to take the risky pulls, with this being week 8 even pulling slow is fine as everyone is crushing dps usually by now with 4p even if they are low Ilvl the 4 piece is crucial. It sucks you got people like that, hopefully your videos get lots of views and people see this is not the mind set to have in mythic+ we are all there to clear the key, ideally time it and should work together towards that.
I couldn't agree more, I do really enjoy the fact that I get so much control over the key since I feel like in pugging a good tank can really carry a group because like you said you minimize the chances of a wipe and lots of the timers are relatively free
Enjoying this series as someone who's also trying out Paladin tanking this season - in my case, after years of healing rather than DPSing. Enjoying the videos but I will just add one small note of honest feedback - the wiggles! I think everyone does it sometimes, but the fast wiggles whilst you're fighting groups genuinely make me a bit motion sick if I'm watching the video full screen. Hard habit to break, and I'm sure I probably spam jump and move aimlessly when I'm healing and tanking. But the tiny back and forth wiggles are definitely a bit jarring if you're recording it. Other than that, look forward to these videos.
Nice improvement your doing very well considering your not used to tanking. Managing HP better and cool downs for efficiently. You shouldn't have to WOG yourself at all but that's a problem with your healer mostly. But you'll be blamed for dying in most cases even if it wasn't exactly your fault. I only use WOG on myself if I know 100% the healer can't get me and there are times were they blame me for dying on a normal sized pack based on them thinking I should keep myself alive but SOR is more important and as a tank I shouldn't have to be tasked with using most HP on healing myself, its an armor decrease and a DPs decrease and a lot of time I refuse to drop SOR to keep myself alive when the healer is in perfect shape. Using your defensives more actively and abilities on a better rotation will increase your dps drastically. I'm bursting over 500k and single 150k on my prot pally. Also you should never have to wait for healer mana. A healer is tasked with managing there mana pool and unless something crazy pops off they should be good the entire run. Many healers don't take the 2secs between pulls to get even just a tick of mana back by drinking and that's a fail on there part.
Very different doing +20s in the 450s vs in the 480s like most people pushin keys are. When you get another 20ilvl on you, all the weekly +20s will be smooooooth sailing
Fair point, since I have a rough idea of the item level I will need to get to 3k since I am pretty close on my main, I meant no good picks that will likely be around till the end of the series. Trust me if it was a hero track necklace then it wouldn't have been a question as to what I picked. Still praying for the Fyarrak trinket tho
I'm sorry about that, not sure why it sounded more muffled in my opinion so hopefully I can mess with how far away it is from me so it sounds better next time
As a healer main i could say that it is actually impossible to heal tank in current state. Everyone from the group constantly takes enormous amount of random damage from mob casts and tanks having 1.5kk health which is so much to top up. Also all tanks have really huge self heal, so i am not healing tanks 95% of the dungeon, just because for them to heal themselves take 5 times less time, then for me
I always throw a maintenance heal on the tank and that is it if I have to heal the tank a lot more then either it's a bad tank that doesn't like his defensives or he is overpulling
For Oakheart, he can be scary on Tyran weeks. Eye of Tyr him for the DR and pop Ardent or Divine Shield. Divine Shield and Ardent are pretty low CDs so don't be afraid to use them. Using bubble with Final Stand Talent also helps to aggro the saplings on the first Crushing Grip since they overlap. Your healer should be aware that externals are gonna be needed. Dropping your Empowered Consecration with Tier set directly under him also helps a ton when you get gripped. You can use Lay for the heal absorb in Fall and be fine for the first time it happens. Watch your boss timers to see when it's going to happen again because using your "free" WoG and WoG with 3 holy power will almost instantly cover it. Healer can top off the rest or you can.
I'm glad that this is pretty similar to the cooldown rotation that I used this week for Oakheart since it felt a lot easier when I planned it out and using both WoG made a huge difference since before I was only using my free one
I'm sorry about that, I had to turn it down since when I was recording it the volume was a bit muffled so turning it down made it more clear. Probably need a better mic LOL
Not sure this is considered a "Challenge". You're taking the top tank for high keys and just doing keys till 3k. Pretty basic and easy to do from a solo / random standpoint and doesn't require any help normally for anyone to do. An actual challenge would have been from a dps perspective with a bottom tier spec.
I despise people like you… if you dont like the idea of the video just click off and move on with your day. Cant even consider it as criticism as if anyone said that to you im pretty sure you would not be able to take it
Sooo….its not a challenge just cause it’s not meta? Idk about you but it’s probably more difficult to play meta specs on a role you aren’t familiar with than non meta but already a ton of experience dpsing….
