Tips for Better Wing & Clay Shooting - Lead

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Many shooters we encounter have trouble grasping the concept of lead needed to hit a moving target. There are different types of lead and they all have their place in wingshooting. Let’s go through the 3 main types of lead to help you get a better understanding of how you can establish lead with a shotgun.
Swing Through or Pull-Through
The shooter mounts with the gun behind the target, then accelerates the gun through the target, pulling the trigger when the right amount of lead is achieved.
Pull Ahead
The shooter mounts the gun on the target, then accelerates the gun forward of the target, pulling the trigger when the right amount of lead is achieved.
Sustained Lead
The shooter mounts the gun ahead of the target, matching the target speed, pulling the trigger when the right amount of lead is achieved.
One thing that is important no matter which type of lead that you choose is follow through. Follow through is the continuation of your swing after pulling the trigger. Follow through ensures you don’t stop the gun as you fire. If you do stop the gun as you fire it will reduce your lead and result in a miss behind the bird.
The other big question I know a lot of you have is, when do I know I have the right amount of lead? That is a great question. When you throw a ball to someone that is moving, how do you know where to throw it? Or when you are catching a ball how do you know exactly where your hands should be and when you should close them? There is really two answers, one, your eyes see and then your brain calculates the speed, distance, and direction of travel and then you hands and body respond to the data to move where they need to. We have that natural ability in us, but of course, just like any sport or activity; it needs to be practiced to increase the skill level.
We know that is can be very frustrating to get out and practice and keep missing targets without knowing where you are missing. There are a few great options to help with this. First, grab someone that is an experienced shooter to come with your. An experienced shooter should be able to help you see where you are missing. You can always hire a shotgun instructor or coach. A qualified instructor will cost you some money but will save you a lot of frustration. I also want to mention one other too. Winchester has developed the AA Traacker round that allows you to see where you are shooting. Instead of shooting round after round guessing and getting frustrated use the AA Traacker round.
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@kenstirling5348 3 года назад

I was shooting skeet one day at a local sporting club. I was missing behind behind behind over and over and it was definitely a problem for me in skeet shooting in general. An older guy in my group that was very experienced told me to intentionally miss the target in the front. He told me to lead ahead just to where I thought I’d miss ahead. I pulled ahead and kablammo that bird shattered. I then realized that I needed so much more lead than I had thought. This is a great way to learn how much you need to lead. Miss ahead and then back it off if you need to.

@trevor19qhshe 2 года назад

Same thing happened to me yesterday. Iv never shot skeet before. Only shot trap. I was shooting and missing behind every shot. He told me aim further ahead than i think and i finally hit it.

@brucebarnes9638 Месяц назад

Great video to better understand leading a moving target. Having hunted upland game birds for many years this information is spot on!

@akawireguy1197 9 лет назад

This is the best video on lead I have seen. Listen to this man if you are a novice shooter who doesn't understand lead. Lead is not a feet and inches proposition. Rather it is a yes/no proposition and when you reach yes your mind will pull the trigger with no conscious input from you.

@co8539 7 лет назад

AKA Wireguy it is a good video for people that don't shoot at all. But for an intermediate shooter that's shot a couple hundred clays it really didn't provide any useful info

@gouldshooting 7 лет назад

You are right! You can't make a short video that is good for all levels of shooting. If you are an experienced shooter, know the types of leads and how they are achieved, this video won't be a big help. We are currently working on creating some really awesome content for the different levels of shooters. Stay tuned. SG

@itzmilkybot5313 6 лет назад

co8539 woah! Can we get this guy a medal already?

@lancekindle7699 2 года назад

Very good video. I've bird hunted hard for 25 years and learned a few new things from you thanks

@eqlzr2 8 лет назад

I've shot a lot of skeet, and I have to say I hit best when I come up to the moving target from behind, swing through the target smoothly, and pretty much pull the trigger just after my barrel swings past the target and is ahead of it. When the target is passing me at right angles, I hesitate a bit longer to fire after the barrel swings past the target. In many cases, it actually feels like I'm firing when the barrel is aimed at or just ahead of the target with little actual "lead".

@terminator1716 2 года назад

Yes I agree. But I think that this gay gives a theoretical lesson really good for teaching not for practicing.

@littledaddynesbit4193 2 года назад

...one of the best videos on technique for consistently hitting clays. But beware, even experienced shooters struggle to see where you're missing, especially if they're not stood directly behind you....also, the amount of perceived lead will vary depending on how fast your swing is. My lead picture is short because I accelerate the gun quickly, station 3 on the skeet range looks like about 18" of lead to me where as I've heard "around 3 feet" on so many videos...

@joaquinvalente8796 Год назад

When I shoot skeet stations 3,4,5, I only lead 18” and break them all .

@RetrieverTrainingAlone Год назад

Excellent! For crossing shots, I shoot best with sustained lead, matching the target speed. I think I shoot sustained lead best because the target visually appears much slower with sustained lead. For incoming overhead shots, I shoot pull through the best...butt, belly, beak, bang where the incoming overhead target is about 45 degrees . For crossers more weight on front foot, for incoming overheads more weight on back foot.

@janaslechtova5504 2 года назад

Awesome explanations of everything! This is just what I was looking for as a beginner!

@jonbiasetti7037 Месяц назад

Very, very helpful, as usual. Many thanks!

@toddhowe2004 6 лет назад

That was a good video. We all watched the video because we’re not great shooters. The great shooters already know about lead.

@glenmcclure7785 7 лет назад

thanks.very helpful.just started shooting Skeets about a month ago. plus all the people that I shoot with give me pointers.just finding that feel to it I recon.

@rustyjohnston6044 3 года назад

Thanks for breaking things down so simply and directly, really helped alot! Awesome video bro!

@Shotkam 8 лет назад

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@ryankraft6856 9 лет назад

Great video, thank you. Maybe I can outshoot grandpa when he challenges me to a clay shooting!

@scottleggejr 5 лет назад

I don't know about you, but my grandpa grew up in a time and place where if you missed, you didn't eat. He had to be wayyyy past his prime for me to outshoot him. Now I hope he's watching down on me cheering on my hits and giving me confidence on my misses. Many broken clay to you and your family 😁

@thomasdaum1927 4 года назад

As a shotgun instructor ( trap , skeet and sporting clays ) I find it difficult to convince new shooters to lead station 4 and 5 enough, they just don’t believe there is that much lead at 22 and 21 yds. And the tracker wads are a great teaching ade!

@Mike41919 Год назад

oh I know what you mean....I got a shot kam and my goodness I've have improved because i see exactly where I was when I pulled the trigger

@thomasdaum1927 Год назад

@@Mike41919 👍

@rickkrenzelok5518 3 года назад

Great video! People tend to over think these things too often.

@chriskoort5717 3 года назад

"You need more lead" We all do but the shops are empty.

@KolyaNickD 4 года назад

A lot of talk about instinctive lead. This is true for closer shots but on long shots it's almost the opposite - you need to be pointing right into the empty space in front with an almost measured lead and it will indeed feel wrong at first. Another thing, on a fast crossed with a long track - trail behind it until you want to take your shot THEN swing through... this gives much more control and the faster swing can cut your lead right down.

@hanlonkitto 3 года назад

Really excellent. Thanks

@graysona1800 7 лет назад

One way I kinda learnt how to lead a target was grasping the concept of "Airshooting" in an awesome free to play shooter game called Team Fortress 2. Airshooting (or airshotting as a lot of players call it) Is shooting any target that is in the air and moving with a projectile like that different classes have and hitting the target in the air. (I.E. the soldier's rockets) What is critical in hitting an airshot is knowing the speed of the projectile, which if the game is played for long enough will become second nature. The next critical thing is the path that said projectile will take. The most common projectile used to airshot a player is the "rocket" Fired by the soldier class, after that it is the "pill" or "Grenade" Fired by the demoman class (Demo for short) and after that it would be the baseball from the scout's sandman item. The sandman (Which has a baseball the scout can launch) Shoots very differently from the rocket launcher due to the sandman's ball having a curve in it's shot where the soldier's rocket are straight and don't change their path. the hardest part in all of this is figuring out whether or not your target will air strafe. (Airstrafes or airstrafing is done by holding a and looking left or holding d and looking right, this allows a player to change their direction in the air which means that not only can players dodge rockets, pills etc. on the ground by moving away from their path, but also in the air) Sorry if this is long, but this is what got me into the idea of "leading".

@HankTheTank23 7 лет назад

Do you even shoot in real life?

@graysona1800 7 лет назад

A good deal, actually. once every weekend and I load during the week in my spare time... of which I have a lot of. eventually you run out of cases to load and look for something else to do that won't rot your brain y'know?

@baderhazena5732 6 лет назад

Dear first of all i would like to thank you so much for your good information and your great info , kindly if you can help me for my question . At soon time i bought benelli 828u and i am left handed . it already comes for right handed ? if yes please tell how i can turn it to left handed . Thousands thanks . Bader hazena

@smokinghotimages66 8 лет назад

Nice video, you guys are great and very entertaining.

@IEraiderfan 9 лет назад

Great tips thanks for the video.

@claykinter4483 6 лет назад

I’m thinking about join my school ffa and doing trap shooting I’ve done a little bit of it and really enjoy it thanks for the info will use it in the future lol

@Snurker 8 лет назад

I can't give any tips on how much lead you need to have. But i just pull through clays, birds, deer etc and the shot goes off automatically. It's all in my head and happends through muscle-memory.

@rogerpace9322 8 лет назад

Very true... and if you are interested... I have a video on lead...how much and where...stay well...Roger

@MsEdwardking 7 лет назад

thankyou for the vid mate. Well done keep it up :)

@bradyguegold8944 3 года назад

You said mate the Chicka Wow Wow

@roughout 5 лет назад

What brand/model is your clay thrower?

@brianellory28 4 года назад

Thanks , very clear comment .

@buckdownscanada9946 6 лет назад

Can you demonstrate the reach around

@b4rt3k25 3 года назад

What camera/set up is being used to record the view down the barrel? I want to record like that

@b4rt3k25 3 года назад

@Hunter Greco thanks. I've had some cheap camera glasses but no where near the quality that's in this vid. I'll have to do a better research. Thanks!

@issameQ Год назад

If you eyes are focused on the target and the gun shoots where the eyes are looking, how can you shoot ahead on the target?

@markchambers2812 7 лет назад

What is the shotgun you are using and barrel length ? Thanks mark BR , La

@nicholaspoma9086 7 лет назад

I have a winchester SX3 as well, what barrel/mag clamp do you have on this gun? Does it have a swivel stud? I've been looking for a clamp and I don't see any specifically advertised for my gun. Thanks!

@gouldshooting 7 лет назад

The barrel clamp that is attached to our magazine tube extensions does not have a stud for attaching a sling . We are using all Nordic Components magazine tube extensions and accessories. If you are talking about the standard forend for your gun you should be able to order one from a local dealer that has a swivel stud in it.

@nicholaspoma9086 7 лет назад

Thanks! I found one with a swivel stud but I ended up not liking it because when the sling attached it wears on the barrel and mag tube. I might reinstall with some sort of rubber or leather pad to prevent this. I use the gun for clay only so the sling isn't high priority but I'll let ya know what I come up with. great video and thanks for the reply!

@TheIbi1983 6 лет назад

Thanks mate. Really appreciate it.

@a112k 9 лет назад

Nice video, can you please share specs and accessories for your gun, model, barrel length, magazine extension etc. thanks loved the way it looks

@normansharp5183 8 лет назад

4:42- Whoah! My wad just flew 3 feet behind my target!!

@dsr20631 8 лет назад

*high five*

@shanematthews5126 4 года назад

Of course it did. Your wad slows down much faster than the pellets.

@shawnbarry3893 5 лет назад

Thanks dude 🇺🇸

@DakTirCue 6 лет назад

Focusing on target and leads makes a lot of sense but Why do they put beads on the gun if you are not supposed to be looking at the barrel?

@thehiddenmatrix8401 5 лет назад

Dak TirQue I've shot without one, you wouldn't think so but it helps a lot more than it would seen to

@MultiPowerlin 4 года назад

The bead helps for the eye to find the center of the gun

@littledaddynesbit4193 Год назад

I know of a few World Champions who have admitted to removing the bead..it helps when you're learning to mount the gun to get consistency but otherwise it can be a distraction, especially to beginners who try to "aim" and measure lead with it...

@rolyatknarfable 8 лет назад

Thanks. Occasionally we incorporate clay pigeons at cowboy shooting matches and I rarely make hits. Will try focusing on the target and swing through. Easy....right? Haha

@rogerpace9322 8 лет назад

when shooting clays do not over think the shot or be hesitant...just say to yourself "see clay...shoot clay" and you'll be fine

@aqibali3906 Год назад

i am quite confused.some hunters say that a going away bird is always rising so u must aim above the bird.onthe other hand,some other hunters say that a going away bird is always straight so aim right into its body just like a sitting bird.still others say that u must aim just below a going away bird.this is really confusing can anyone guide about it

@billkilkelly6133 4 года назад

Very good video

@MASTRR0SHI 9 лет назад

this is what i dont understand (i am new to the sport by the way), if your eyes are supposed to remain on the target the entire time, how do you know how far your barrel is leading by/how do you know where youre pointing? i was told never to look at the barrel and to always remain on the target. confused!

@patchess5488 9 лет назад

Agood thing to do is unfocus your eyes from the gunsight and focus them on the target so the sight should be blurry when you are ready to take the shot youll notice you naturally feel where the gun is pointing

@petterbjrvik4089 8 лет назад

What many forget is that a proper and consistent mount of the gun is the first thing you need to work on. If you mount the gun the same way every time you don't have to "look at where the gun is pointing", your body points the gun for you. For this to work, the gun has to fit you properly.

@rogerpace9322 8 лет назад

you are absolutely correct!

@graysona1800 7 лет назад

From my gaming experience, it's the same as learning how to airshot in a game called Team Fortress 2. Seeing the crosshair and the other player in the air is something that can be critical and you need to have a consistent mouse sensitivity in order to know where the crosshair is or will be. Another thing that players do is instead of using the default white crosshair they use a bright green, bright pink or any crosshair that definitely stands out to the background so that when they know how fast their target is travelling, they just need to use their peripheral view to put the crosshair into place.

@patchess5488 7 лет назад

Grayson A if only we had cross hairs for sporting clays

@fawadali4285 6 лет назад

Very helpful love it

@Benny_From_NY 6 лет назад

Great video

@benfromsk7740 6 лет назад

There are 4 distances of lead. No lead, a little lead, a little more lead, and a lot of lead. Best way to figure this out is practice.

@TheYjmfan 3 года назад

That’s a beautiful shotgun what make is it?

@eltonroberts8817 3 года назад

Nice video the Winchester shells with cored wads? Are they only on line

@Norm100ful 2 года назад

This is an old video. I still have a box of those shells, but I haven’t seen them for a couple of years. Sounds like a good invention, however I could not see the wad. Maybe have a spotter behind you and it might work. What is amazing to me are shooters that can actually see their shot stream.

@totaldla 9 лет назад

Although it requires a lot of practice, it wouldn't hurt to show what the leads look like at different distances and speeds.

@rogerpace9322 8 лет назад

I have a video on lead...how much and where...it might help...stay well...Roger

@bobbymalta73 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@evanhb49 6 лет назад

When i shoot clays; my sight is right beside the target when i pull the trigger most of the time. i see that doesn’t work with doves.....

@PNW06 3 года назад

What’s a nice cheaper shot gun

@waysraasch7590 7 лет назад

Good job Gould bros can u make more lesson vids

@americanoutlaw7999 4 года назад

Thank you

@ultimatestewart1581 9 лет назад

Wow u guys r great at shooting I hope someday I can shoot as good as u guys!

@howardlaunius7484 5 лет назад

good video!

@TheBigSquidAZ 8 лет назад

thats a beautiful weapon. what kind of shotgun is that?

@thepensmith1 8 лет назад

it's a winchester SX3

@nickhoneycutt926 6 лет назад

What gun does he have? Sorry if he mentioned it in the video

@huntingandfishing1079 8 лет назад

Nice gun

@우스우-v6y 5 лет назад

best of best brother

@Raevenswood 5 лет назад

do you always shoot trap with a 3 gun shotgun?

@ashleymutchie348 7 лет назад

good video

@limons7101 4 года назад

It's hard for me to lead the clay and shoot it

@StuartOliver83 6 лет назад

Thanks bud

@carboncopy2853 6 лет назад

I am new to trap. show me how far to lead the target in detail please !

@matthews88chris53 5 лет назад

Practice practice practice

@MichaelJordan-hn4zd 3 года назад

What gun is that?

@rickyboyz100 9 лет назад

My buddy doesnt want to watch my wad?

@camshaftshaft2711 4 года назад

My wife said the same thing lol ! She said you keep your wad out of my face 👍😎😎😊😂

@Lucky13Twice 7 лет назад

What brand of skeet thrower is that?

@gouldshooting 7 лет назад

Promatic. Thanks for watching! Steve

@marineoneable 3 года назад

I need some help !! 😱😱

@sofalugger 5 лет назад

Wads a MONEY!!!!

@ملكالبريةعمارالدراجي 4 года назад

أنا من العراق واتمنى أن أملك ونجستر الأمريكي

@supermanotorious 8 лет назад

looks like 25 people still cant hit their target....

@Benny_From_NY 6 лет назад

supermanotorious Hahah

@nicholasdiaz724 5 лет назад

234 people now. Jesus fucking christ.

@dufusfinder9771 3 года назад

401 now! 😂

@MrChrissy1r 4 года назад

On it, through it, lead it kill it, simple as that,, absolutely no need to analyse the "bird" just imagine they have just beaten and robbed your most treasured person,, hate it kill it!!.

@MrChrissy1r 4 года назад

Thank you for that, is there any way to send you a very quick simple private message as to exactly what I used to say to pupils?

@thectheb 4 года назад

But how much should I lead my shot

@PothocketsFPV 4 года назад

@@thectheb enough to kill it

@rareform6747 6 лет назад

She said your too young , you blew your wad ..

@jorgejesus218 4 года назад

I allways hit the tail and the bird keeps going its frustrating

@vincentmckenna281 6 лет назад

You can't use the same technic for different clays

@rzr8hunnid517 7 лет назад

Y a 3 gun shot gun get an over and under or normal semi auto

@ChamPainPapi97 3 года назад

Why did you not shoot some tho

@jeffreyelliott622 5 лет назад

Yeah I like when you said just lead that clay bird by one feet and when you kill'em they taste good and crunchy over an open fire !!!! Yum yum !!!

@1122rodney 4 года назад

If your shooting a duck aim at the head bottom line lol long story short

@parveenverma500 3 года назад

Hindi. Ma. Vido. Dalo

@TobysPeyton 4 года назад

this doesn't work that's so complicated you will never use that in a competition

@Shadow0fd3ath24 4 года назад

Thats how most guys in competition that lose do it so i agree

@neillandscape1376 3 года назад

4min of forced add before watchingvideo, not wasting my time.

@yeezus9 8 лет назад

I once shoot my skeet and it landed inside my friend's mouth

@johhnyapplesseed9776 4 года назад

Video was just plain confusing not helpful

@gouldshooting 4 года назад

Thanks for your feedback, sorry it was not helpful. We do plan on making a better video about lead in the near future. SG

@ryanang56 8 лет назад

why not use a sniper a short gun has poor accuracy

@MacMcLinn 8 лет назад

bruh

@jacquesherbst9233 8 лет назад

zGhostBlood__ WTF

@serhatkaradag9333 4 года назад

Dingil

@born2fap 8 лет назад

using airsoft on passing by cars. (LEAD)

@hartmutrichter2571 7 месяцев назад

Blah, Blah, Bla

@shawndarling5855 7 лет назад

At least there is no women in this video very educational

@Dadsman544 7 лет назад

this guy has awful trigger discipline.

@terminator1716 8 лет назад

No no no no no no......your swing through is false! you have to swing smoothly but rapidly through the target and skeeze the triger at the target in the movment. The lead is authomatic then. all this under 30 yards. For the long case the pull away method is better.