I accidentally found a Byzantine church near my house about a year ago. So I been going there frequently and I quite like the Byzantine Rite, even more more so than the Novus Ordo.
@@pvdp2 No but close to it. I altar server at a TLM most of the year and go to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy in the summer. I am a convert and was baptized and confirmed in the Novus Ordo. Ever since then, I have rarely gone to a Novus Ordo. I cannot stand the modern songs and the Talmudic prayers and the obvious Freemasonic influence of Bugnini. The TLM and ESPECIALLY the Byzantine Divine Liturgy feed my soul infinitely more than the modernistic Novus Ordo. Only go to the Novus Ordo when I need to go to Confession or I have no other possible option for Mass. The priests there are orthodox it's just the Mass itself.
I was baptized in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church because my parents loved the liturgy. We moved to a different part of town so we started going to the Roman Catholic Church nearby, where I’ve received all my sacraments, except baptism. I am extremely interested in maybe mix it up and every now and then go to an eastern Catholic Church. Thanks for all this amazing info.
A dear friend of mine was the pastor of the Byzantine Catholic Church during Covid. He bought 200 gold spoons to ensure communion could be given. I need to ask him what he’s done with them all.
@@johnpalomo1688 correct...but the bacteria/viruses on the sacred vessels can as they are not valid matter for consecration and are therefore not transubstantiated.
Thanks for sharing. Roman Catholic here very interested in the Byzantine Rite, I look forward to experiencing it with an open and beginners mind but will certainly feel a little more prepared taking into consideration your tips.
Grew up in the Byzantine Ukrainian divine liturgy. Been to other masses and outside of the Latin Mass, in my mind, nothing else inspires true reverence like the byzantine. You can look up the use of a Pyk for receiving communion. Its a small container about the size of a small pocket watch. Have it blessed and you are good to go. We used them during those dark days and they were wonderful, however they are best when the communion is under only one species, not both (meaning only the body of Christ, not blood, ie dry communion). Priests use them for transporting hosts to sick or dying people.
@@JohntheSonofThunder I'm going to have to try again. I went and they didn't have it. So I missed my Sunday obligation. I'll let you know. Next time I'll call to make sure😁
If you contact a Byzantine church, usually they are happy to give you a full explanation of the Liturgy and the icons in the church, as the congregations are generally small and they rarely see new people.
@@JohntheSonofThunder I will do that thank you. It's in a small chapel at a Roman catholic church. I can't wait to get to actually go. Well nervous but excited.
My family originally came from the Byzantine Rite but they changed and I was raised in Roman. I have a pulling to go back to the Byzantine. Glad I found this, and where can I find a Byzantine Missal for myself??? thanks
You can find a Ruthenian Byzantine missal on the Byzantine Seminary Press website. Your best bet is to go to a Byzantine church and ask about a missal. They may let you borrow one of theirs.
I go between my traditional Latin Parish and Byzantine parish and so many in the Byzantine Church has made science and the CDC their gospel, plus there's a major attack on traditional Latin mass and traditional parishes so I'm trying to go there as the government will probably leave the Byzantine Parish alone
Yes, Byzantine churches vary greatly as to their adherence to the virus religion. It is great to attend both the TLM and Byzantine Liturgy to network with these people. It never hurts to be prepared for worst-case scenarios, like another shutdown or Rome banning the TLM.
@@JohntheSonofThunder that's why i go to sspx ...I'm struggling with some things that have been revealed in the Byzantine parish... the parishioners... i need to ignore the disappointing people that make up the parish.... go just for the sacraments, prayers...
I'm planning on doing the same thing, I'm attending RCIA at a Novus Ordo parish right now, they're wonderful people but the liturgy doesn't speak to me the same way. What finally convinced me to convert was the beauty of the liturgy. I had been convinced of the doctrines and dogmas for close to two years. But I heard a Gregorian chant one day, and then I looked into Traditional Latin Mass and felt that I should convert. But I have recently come to realize that I don't need a Latin mass to find a beautiful liturgy. The Byzantine Church has a gorgeous and reverent English Liturgy, there is one Byzantine Catholic Church in my entire state, and I'm blessed enough to live 35 minutes away from it.
@@brandonashley5872 That's lucky. I'm in RCIA as well at a Novus Ordo parish and while the people are nice and traditional for a NO, I love the Byzantine liturgy a lot more but the closest one to me is two states away, and the second closest is across the Canadian border in Calgary!
Byzantine/Greek Catholic and Eastern/Greek Orthodox have the same theology and practice except the former is in communion with rome while the latter is in communion with Constantinople.
@@cipfernandez5435 thank you! I'm convinced that the Catholic Church that my Grandparents loved and taught me to love is not the Catholic Church that I'm seeing in the New Mass! I feel a deep prompting to switch to a TLM but I am discovering one needs to pray and be wise about the decision ! I'm drawn to SSPX-MC but still hesitant and can't get a clear answer on anything from anywhere! I actually gain more ground by sincere laity posting comments on similar experiences in their own journey!
@@michaelbelmontes4046 I'm a convert from methodist sect and I'm from the philippines in our country although our population 80% Roman Catholic all priest in our diocese even my local parish follow the novus ordo mass so I've never had attended a tlm or a eastern divine liturgy and I hope a priest would start doing so.
There are several videos about the SSPX on this channel. Fr. Z also had a good blog post about the SSPX that you may find helpful: wdtprs.com/2020/04/ask-father-whats-the-truth-about-the-sspx/
@Cip Fernandez Summorum Pontificum recommended that the laity who are interested in a Latin Mass ask their Priest to say one for them. This does not guarantee you a Latin Mass, if you find a group of lay people who are interested in attending a Latin Mass, that is a great start.
I have a question. I am latin rite but very new to Catholicism. I am church hopping because they all seem secular. They talk and joke about sports movies celebs ect. Even confession has me unsatisfied. What is your advice? Yes i have gone to traditional latin mass too
Nothing is going to be 100% guaranteed free from modernism, but the Latin Mass is a good option, especially the Latin Mass orders like the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King and SSPX if you have any nearby. Also, Eastern Rite churches like Byzantines tend to be better than Novus Ordo churches, but they are not located in every region. I wish you the best in your search!
I was at a Ukrainian Byzantine liturgy this past week where was it my first time hearing it in English, and I noticed that the words of the filioque were omitted by the priest and were actually whited out in😢 the missal, with actual without ribbon. They kept in the part where the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father but omitted from the Son. I'm extremely disturbed by this. That's a Ukrainian Catholic Church in Northumberland County. Do you know what's up with that? Did we suddenly decide that as long as they accept the pope they don't have to profess the same faith as us? Or that it is optional? I'm actually on my way to a Byzantine liturgy a different church for First Saturday reparation, so it will be interesting to see what they do there. I am really not comfortable going back to that other church because of it, so I hope it is not like this everywhere.
Whelp, I went to a different Ukrainian Church this evening, and while the liturgy missals also have the filioque printed, they did not recite it that way and left out "and the Son" again. So, I then went to Wikipedia and read about the filioque controversy and recent discussion, and it seems that Rome caved and let the East have their way at a heretical ecumentical meeting on Christian unity in 2003, and that both Benedict and Francis denied the filioque by not reciting it in the creed while participating in heretical ecumenical activities with Orthodox patriarchs. Because this has previously been declared as a dogma for the entire church, and because it is only in recent years that the false Church of Apostasy has compromised this dogma, I believe that we must consider even the Byzantine Ukrainians heretics and not truly in communion with the real Catholic Church - they're simply not professing the same Creed that we are and deny a dogma. As faithful traditional Catholics, I believe this means that we probably cannot take part in the worship of these heretics, as we have always been forbidden to do by the traditional Church, prior to the apostasy of ecumenism. This is extremely heartbreaking because I just lost my daily Latin mass at the Carmel in Elysburg, because the Fairfield nuns who owned it apostatized and sold it to the heretical, schismatic, blasphemous Coptic Orthodox Egyptians, instead of to Father Hewko of the SSPX Resistance. So I started going to the Byzantines this past week, for the sake of communing with Our Lord. And it was already awful, because they have no sense of Eucharistic worship and adoration and communion - they do not take time to pray to Jesus at all after receiving Communion and immediately stand and begin praying. So there's no real, true Communion face-to-face with Jesus going on there. And the bread is a crouton that immediately crumbles into a million pieces, which means that the real presence of Our Lord will disappear in your body within minutes at best. And now it looks like I can't even attend the Byzantine liturgy. Because like the Novus Ordo, they may be in communion with apostate Rome, but they are not in communion with eternal Rome. I'm sure that there have been saints who have died over the filioque. I think we need to believe in and practice everything the Church teaches and that we are not free to discard any particular doctrine or dogma that is inconvenient. I do not seem to be missing anything here, but perhaps I am.
That's because the original creed is used in Eastern churches. You will notice that the later Latin insertions of "God from God" and "and the son" are omitted from the creed stated in the Eastern churches. As a part of the union agreement itself, it was stated by the Orthodox coming into communion with Rome and accepted by Pope Clement VIII that we believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father as one source, rather than the double (in reference to hypostatic) procession, but we also believe that the Spirit proceeds through the son, as that is also biblical (see the Union of Brest for more info).
@@granmabern5283No, that's not the case. The Eastern Catholic Churches generally do not recite the filioque. We recite the original Creed, that does not include the filioque.
There is quite litterally 0 reason to convert to eastern catholicism unless you and your ancestors are from one of the few countries it’s been practiced (ie Ukraine,Poland,Slovakia,Greece).
