I think something to be considered for such rules would be terrain piece size Some terrain pieces might be modular with small chunks (about the size of an infantry model or several) being removable without damaging the physical terrain model, but on the other hand there might be entire buildings all as one piece that would either require removing the entire building or not removing anything at all And then there’s just permanently attached buildings/cover built onto the playing surface
@@specs.weedle True. Removable terrain worked with Epic, but those were basically square boxes. Beign what "official" terrain costs don't see players buying two pieces of terrain for one feature.
The fact most of the titan weapons dont just have the ignore cover ability is strange. This Plasma Decimator can melt a lemun russ in one shot but crumbling stone ruins are protected by the Emperors light apparently.
Me and my buddies once tried pitting an entire 2K army vs a single Warlord and see who killed who first (no objectives or anything). It just ended up in a draw, we also didn't have an actual Warlord so we used a big Megatron toy instead 😂
I'd think anti vehicle and walker weapons would take it down quickly. Admechs time to shine! We're good into knights. I'd think Titans would be similar.
I plan to 3-d print my own titans when I get my printer. I have a homebuilt Emperator Titan in my garage. It's 8' tall (so approx 2.45m for my non-american friends). I built the frame, then glued parts of terrain and bits and such onto it. The best part is, there is two keeper pins under the arms on each side. You can pull them, and fold him down, pull the cathedral on top apart (it separates into like 20 buildings) and add the terrain you want for a game, and you have a playable tabletop. I want to move him to my shop/studio before we open. But it's heavy, and easy to damage. It's mostly wooden dowel rods and PVC covered in Styrofoam, which is then covered in plastic and paint, with no place to put a dolly, unless it's standing up. And that's how I learned why we build big projects on location.
@@Hag_Hunter I believe it has been purged by the inquisition. You'd need to track down the creator and ask to buy it, or find someone generous enough to share.
Titans are the one type of unit that really should have the original Titanic rule where they shoot line of site regardless of terrain. It made my Warhound at the Tacoma GT last year actually have a chance to do things. And it could still be shot at! Very fun games were had that day, even if my list was terrible because of the cost of the titan!
If you wanna play titans for real, get an Ork Stompa. It's the size of a Warhound Titan but only 800 pts and the kit is cheaper than a single large Knight. You won't find it in any winning tournament lists but it's actually playable and affordable at 2000 or 3000pt games.
Played a stompa in a 1000 points tournament. Won against the serious list but lost horribly against another meme list. The guy ran 3 dreadnoughts and a land raider. He had less models on the table than me😂
Had a huuuge heresy game with a warlord titan once. This was back when the Warlord was new and it still had huge destroyer blasts and the guy who brought it said he would probably never use it again. Combination of the stress of being worried about it falling over, plus the fact that it basically one shot everything it looked at, taking several knights off the table per turn. We had several Primarchs in that game and they were irrelevant next to the warlord. Whenever the warlord felt like removing Primarchs from play it could do so easily. I don't think we even removed a quarter of it's hull points by the end of the game because we couldn't get enough anti-tank in range. Some blood angels jump pack deep striked with melta bombs, most died to screening units before they could charge the next turn, iirc they did the most damage to it but even then it was minimal. In that edition at least, a well supported titan on a big enough board was basically untouchable, you would need another titan or a dedicated titan hunting squad like a bunch of baneblades, but even with that, the warlord can just focus whatever is threatening it and remove it from play. I think the Warlord in this edition is pretty tame in comparison. Sure it's hard to kill but the lack of blast template weapons means it struggles to kill a lot of units. The old blast template Belicosa Volcano Cannon could kill multiple knights in one shot if they were too close to each other, or just delete clustered infantry. Now the Volcano cannon is killing what, on average 1-2 terminators? woopdy doo. Final Thoughts: I think if a titan feels like a titan like it did in old heresy, it's suuuuuuper unbalanced and is only fun against other titans (at which point just play titanicus), but if it performs like it does in current 40k it's underwhelming. Maybe there's a sweet spot in there somewhere but I'm not sure.
Don’t know too much abt the older versions of 40k but i remember when they had a shidload of voidshields that regenerated if u didnt collapse them completely, titans are so cool!
I think having a modifier on the blast special rule would help a lot too. So have blast 1 be 1 extra attack per 5 models, blast 2 be 2 extra attacks per 5 models. Then make most titan weapons blast 2
@@Beans29477 Yeah the version we fought still had the old style voids. AC12, any glancing or penetrating hit destroyed 1 void so it mitigated damage from D weapons. End of each of the owning players turns, they rolled for each downed shield and on a 5+ they came back.
Oh yeah and in combat you could only hit it on a 6+, super heavies and gargantuan creatures on a 5+, is was immune to haywire, dangerous terrain, and non-shooting psychic powers. Oh an it's melee attacks used large blast templates. It also had a 5+ invuln on top of it's void shields.
I played a Ta’unar titan in a mont’ka list at the 2024 Dallas open. It did better than the rest of my army on average… such as deleting mortarion in turn 1 in the first match. It was fun and though it’s much weaker than all imperial titans it’s so much cheaper. 500 $$ including weapons, 790 points. The molds for the model are from 2015-16 and overall quality of the model parts was excellent except for the large rail gun, which was slightly warped when it arrived. I always wanted to own an imperial titan but the price puts it out Of reach.
For all my fellow Hive Mind devotees out there, the Hierophant is actually quite exciting in this edition. The loss of overwatch was quite stinky (it got to use it for just 1CP, and deleted whatever it shot with its Flamer and high volume of cannon shots) but even now it’s still pretty great value for its cost. Very tanky, especially with 5+ FNP in Invasion Fleet, not to mention loads of sustained or lethal hits with those bio cannons. It has a lot of great units to support it as well. Pair it with the Neurotyrant and Neurolictor and then it REALLY goes nuts!
I wouldn't worry about it, they're probably about to retire titans to 'legends' status and rule that you can stack 37 Primaris lieutenants on top of each other instead, as long as every Primaris is a different type.
Recently printed a warhound on FDM for a grand total of £15 (about 1 spool of filament) Honestly wouldn't ever have considered owning a titan but for that cost was too tempting. Quality is decent too.
The Avatar of Khaine nearly solo'ed a Warhound in a game I played recently. We laughed as freaking Howling Banshees peeled off the last couple of wounds. I was so hoping the Titan would blow up, but it didn't.
*sigh* need to buy more Baneblades then if someone decides to bring one. Unfortunately I do not think many will ever do and the scales on which their weapons fire are Apocalypse only. Warlord Titan with a weapon that fires 280" or 7.2 METERS away is simply way too funny.
The sheer fact that it would only take TWO Eldar tanks (Scorpion tanks have 6 shots with S18 and AP3 for 5 damage each with their main gun) to feasibly take down anything that's smaller than a Warbringer in a single turn is kinda...pretty convincing to not spend the money on these when I could have multiple tanks for the same cost in game and irl
@@Klierowski dude, those 2 tanks almost cost as much as a titan and have effectively no other guns. It makes sense they could take a titan down. God, Marine players are so whiny.
I have the tools to fabricate one from aluminum/other metal and I am so tempted sometimes. Put together a skeleton, chop down and affix some plates, and maybe cobble/scrap together the weapons. It might end up looking a little ork-y though lol
I came up with a game mode that uses normal mission rules, but each player rolls a dice to determine what the Titan does. Then killing the Titan turn 3 and on counted as a gambit. It was pretty fun and had some cool moments. We played with a Warhound, but bigger Titans might be cool.
'It has a 480 inch range - if you have a table that big...' That's 40' (or, I don't know, 12 kilometers, maybe? Whatever the metric conversion is...). You could have the Titan across a large room on another table, and still be able to hit. That's hilarious! My dream is still that one day, Titans will be made of plastic instead of resin - cutting the cost, and making them more accessible... :)
@@darkdialga777 My brother and I once moved the furniture out of the living room and used the whole floorspace ("Apocalypse" wasn't an official game yet, but that's basically what we were playing). Not a gymnasium, but probably as close as I'll ever get... :)
My buddy and I are printing twin warlord titans. It’s been like four months and we’re still painting and assembling. Protip, the legs are had because life is a balancing act.
As someone who plays apoc almost exclusively (our last one was 300k+), with 2 maniples of titans (1 warbringer, 2 warhounds, 1 reaver, 2 warlords, my apoc group has peeps that range from warhound and warlords). We generally dont lose Titans until the beginning of round 3. Yes, you can , min-max a list to kill Titans, but that just means my other teammates can score and hold objectives. (We've won a few games even when I've lost all my titans due to us actually playing the scenario). I have had one of my warlords abuse that high oc when i stormed a center objective and put my foot on top of it. No one could get i to 3" of it, so my warlord last standed that objective for the win, fun cinematic moment.
Love playing my warhound ngl. People love it soo much; just warn your opponent before you being one, but because it’s not a strong choice it tends to be more of a laugh!
I do miss when you could take warhound weapons on the carapace of the reaver, I would like to see some of the titanicus weapon options transfer to 40k.
good to know that you now actually can play a Warhound alongside a 2k point army. I was only able to find old forums where the warhound titan was like 2000 points and the reaver 2400 points
I have a Warhound. Bought it for my Imperial Army, since it takes so many points i got it with Inferno cannon and Turbolaser destructor. Jack of all trades, master of none lol.
@@TheAtomicSpoon I mean for use in 40K. As in, stuff like the Spartan, Rapier, Sicarans etc. You know, the stuff that's cooler than the Primaris vehicles.
We never use them in normal 40k games, also we have plopped a warlord in the center of the table as an objective and whoever has OC on it can fire it that round. Apocalypse tho! theres nothing like 6 warhounds, a couple of reavers and warlords smashing everything in sight
I'm just wondering how big the old Emperor Titan would be in 40K scale. I used to have one in the small scale game before I moved up to the bigger 40K scale.
My reaver will have its 1st outing in 2 weeks at a narrative apocalypse event, I've only done 1 homebrew game with it so far and found it did terribly 😅 since the event doesn't have a points limit and instead uses what you can control in a fixed 1hr turn I'm bringing 15k of gsc, guard and knights, so there will be plenty of chaff to destroy before the walking throne of my glorious Patriarch is taking damage. At last years event, i lost 2 questoris and 2 russ's round 1 so this time I'm bringing more than double + a titan just to be sure...lol
Kind of really silly how we have this supposedly balanced tabletop game and the largest model you can possibly get is A: often not worth it to bring B: stopped by random humans standing in it’s way
If I've got a spare liver, lungs & pair of kidneys available to either sell or trade for a couple of Titans would I be able to get one or a couple. Just asking for a friend.
Maybe not with 2000 point games but i feel like it would be fun to run them in 3000 point games and of course you’ve got apocalypse in which case i hope you’ve got deep pockets 😅
