Thanks I really appreciate the feedback and the comment. I do put a lot of effort into trying to get fair and comparable data in multiple ways, so glad it's appreciated 👍
@@Mussii compelty depends on your delivery and miss. Speed is pretty irrelevant. As I said I'll be putting the GT2 in my bag over the GT3. As if I went GT3 id have to play the 10* which looks more closed to my eye. So playing the 9* in the GT2 looks much better and I actually prefer the way the 2 sits and looks 👌
@@epgolfstudios thanks for your prompt and detailed reply, much appreciated and yes it makes sense! I have an issue with less loft though, I'm a good striker of the ball but my ball flight is really low, so I have opted for GT2 11* with Ventus Red + 6S, if needed I will put the loft down to open up the face tad bit. Please advise
@@Mussii sounds like he right move if you've got a low ball flight. But my main advice would be make sure you get fitted properly, it's a lot of money to gamble with 👍
@@epgolfstudios fitting is always the best option but unfortunately it's not available anywhere around me that's why I have to make the best guess possible with the information I gathered from Internet and your extremely helpful youtube video
Let’s get lots of subscriptions for Ross, each of these videos take at least 8 hours work, for very little reward from. RU-vid, get the subs up, and that will increase at no cost to us. Frankly, these videos are fantastic for golf nerds and those in the market, unbiased and not a sales pitch, rare in the YT golf creators of today
Thanks Pud! Yeah exactly that. These are currently done outside of the 55 - 60 hours of fittings i do per week. So getting more subs and growing the channel so we could look at some for of sponsor,s like clothing etc, could pay for me to take time away from fittings and produce more content. That's what i would like to do as I want to get more out I just don't have enough time, even working 7 days a week until 9/10 at night. But we'll get there.
I went from a TSR2 10* setting C3 to a GT3 setting A4. The TSR2 has a 40g Helium Nanocore A flex shaft @ 46”. The GT3 worked best with a Helium Nanocore 40g R flex shaft at 45.5”. What I saw was about a 2mph increase in clubhead speed with the GT3 and 4-6 yards more distance. I did try the A flex shaft in the GT3, but I had a tendency to leave the face open and hit a high push fade. That was also my miss with that shaft with the TSR2. I did hit 2 of my longest drives ever on the 2nd and 8th holes with the GT3. 238 yards on the 8th. For reference, I am 71 and have an ~85 mph swing speed.
As long as you have a well fitting TSR2 (or just driver in general for that matter) a lot of people I see are in completely the wrong loft / head design to optimise their numbers. But yes absolutely right if you have a TSR that's optimal for you then it's a brilliant driver and you're better off working on approach and short game absolutely.
Another excellent comparison review, while I do appreciate that there is considerable variation in swing speeds between golfers, I much prefer when you swing the clubs at your normal full speed as these tests provide more accurate results of performance, ideally it would be better to have slower swing speed golfers to test clubs swinging at their own normal speeds.
Really good video! How do we compare the GT2 driver with other brands? Is it more like the Qi10 Max or Qi10 "standard", Darkspeed Max or Darkspeed X etc
@@CharlotteK2008 personally I would suggest this comment is pointless. If someone can afford to buy a new driver and they want to then that's completely their own personal decision. It's their life and their money. Please don't spread negative and meaningless comments on this channel.
@@CharlotteK2008 Golfers like shiny new things, remember all clubs are effectively on rental, as they have a residual value. I just purchased new irons having been fitted with Ross, i sold my old irons that i had used for 12 months, i got 85% of what i paid for said irons, and the new irons cost the same, so the 15% loss is across two sets, reasonable rent in my books.
As someone who fits clubs and relies on new products being better year after it's nice to see your honest review. Unless I needed a new driver, I don't think I'd upgrade for 1 extra total yard.
We try and be as honest and unbiased as we possibly can. We sell honesty really. Even when we fit we are completely open about the data and how it compares with the customers current club. Definitely means less sales and it certainly won't make us rich! But honesty is always best
@@HRGunn that's obviously a part of it for sure but theres should be a lot more consideration than just those factors when doing a really thorough fitting
I appreciate the effort put into these video tests. It is interesting to see the incremental increases in speed and forgiveness in the new offerings. I can see why average players with a TSR in the bag may be justified in saying the changes are not worth the expense of getting a new GT. But, since I do not have a TSR, I would definitely raid the piggy bank for anew GT2. Especially as it compares so well against the Ping 10k
Best equipment channel on YT! Finally an open face in a sea of draw bias! 🤸Thanks for doing your normal speed at the end per my previous comment. 🙏 The views go up and you can take this amazing striking out on the course more for us to see. Switch these drivers at the turn while getting to play some golf. 💯
The face looks great. Whilst I appreciate the lower swing, I think head to head new v old should be based on what you can get out of them. The slower swing should be reserved for new v new on newer clubs…clearly just my humble opinion 🤷🏼♂️ Regardless, another great delivery 👏🏻
Seems like the strike on the GT veered more low. I think this is because of the higher headlight making the shaft play effectively softer thus causing more upward flection before impact = lower strike. Higher swing weight could also explain the right miss.
Excellent video. Happy to be wrong about this, but that shaft was just not for you. Understand it's tough for you to swing slowly, but it seems like the variation was pretty wild. Gotta be the shaft, right? Well done, mate. Another banger!
I never games a titleist driver before. So far this year I gamed the qi10 and a triple diamond. I got fitted for the GT recently and it’s amazing. I see no way this won’t be in my bag for a long time
@@epgolfstudios Cheers mate hit that speed training. Could I quickly also ask how the ventus black and hzrdus black differ in ei profile? Apperantly ventus is extra stiff butt, medium mid, extra stiff tip. Relative of course. Is the hzrdus black the same idea?
@@joey5picks TSR is a brilliant driver. I just would never have gamed the 2 model personally because of the way it sat and looked. But I gamed the 3 model a lot
It seems like all of the drivers are the same except the TSR3 and the GT3 with the GT3 being a rather big step up in performance. Edit: just saw your summary and it seems ive been wrong. Thiught you were going to say theyre pretty close
I wouldn't say it's a "big" step up in performance purely as there's only so much they can do realistically. But with what they have to work with I think they've done a phenomenal job. They are just brilliant drivers.
Yeah in fairness with the prices now dropping off in the TSRs they are unbelievable value. But just make sure to be fitted otherwise you could be wasting dosh 👍👌
Great comparison. Would love to see a comparison showing the improvements between the 910-917 and early TS series versus the new GT. Same for other brands. I feel most people looking to upgrade would be coming from drivers 5-10 years old
PGA Tour players are good enough to have that luxury. When it comes to driver 99.8% of amateurs are super happy to strike the ball reasonably well and keep it in play. That's always goal number 1
Always love this channel cos there's no BS. Other dubious vids out there showing gains of 15 yards and I just ignore them to be honest. I think the TSR series is higher MOI across all models and with GT they're definitely going after ball speed. For the average player not sure that's a great thing though?
Thanks Griff! We try and be as open and honest as we can and test fairly. I think MOI as a number is a bit overrated if I'm completely honest. Very hard to say now much difference it actually makes. Well yeah I mean with the PMP that's definitely helped spread mass across perimeters which should help retain MOI while moving CG down and forward which will ultimately help a bit of ball speed and possibly slightly lower spin, both leading to a touch more distance. Then plus being slightly more aero. I think they've done about as well as they possibly could following up on the TSR which was an amazing driver
This is the most in-depth comparison of the TSR2 and GT2 drivers that I have seen! I really appreciate the fact that you did the lower swing speed to start the test, and then concluded with your normal swing speed, which allowed for a very fair test with similar results. I currently game the TSR2, and it is the best driver that I have owned. I used to game the TaylorMade drivers, starting with the M2 and M3, and have tested their newer models, but could never get along with them. I like the classic look of the Titleist drivers, but due to the marginal gains of the GT2 over the TSR2, I will continue to keep my TSR2 in the bag for the next couple of years.
Unfortunately not Will. When we first set up we did have everything for lefties. But where we are more specialist and have a large offer of equipment it cost us a lot to have that offering for lefties. In the first couple of years we only saw a handful of lefties. So it was essentially losing us thousands, so we decided to stop. Maybe when we get bigger and grow we will probably add it back 👌 probably looking at Precision golf is your best shout
top work again mate! Can see how much work goes into these. Great to see the GT looking like a solid improvement over the TSR - would you expect the gap to be a little bigger compared to the TSi?
Thanks Brad appreciate that mate. And yes I would. Again not an astromnimcal leap and for most amateurs it might be hard to see the difference. Which is why i go so in depth in these tests as it's the only way we can really tell if there is a difference.
Thanks JK! The fairways look lovely! But definitely a bit harder to make performance gains in such a small head. Be interesting to see if any launch and spin differences
GT - Wider dispersion circle and one yard longer total at full speed.... hmmm.... I'd say if you have a TSR2, you'd prob be a bit crazy to drop $700 for VERY marginal gain. PS: The MOI on the GT is lower too.
Dispersion is all me, nothing to do with the club. And I agree with you. If you have a well fitted TSR the extra you get out of the GT probably won't be worth the £579 to most. But that does depend on the person. Lots of people have plenty of fun spending money and that amount of money is nothing to them. So they may well buy a new one for 5 extra yards, plus better look, feel and sound. For me I wouldn't game the TSR2. But I like the GT2 so much it's going in the bag. So for me it's a pretty easy win for GT.
Seems like most of your toe shots were low. How was the spin on the high toe shots? It seems like some have had problems with the low spin/high toe miss with the TSR2. I’m curious whether the GT2 has a similar problem or if they fixed it. I liked the in depth video. It was helpful. Thanks!
I fitted almost every day for 2 years with the TSR drivers and there's no issue with mega low spin off high toe. Well, not worse than any other driver out there. If someone suffers from a low spin high toe divey ball flight it's likely it's a closed face at impact which helps create the toe strike in the first place but also shuts down loft and creates even less spin. Any head would do the same imo. Is the GT any better. Possibly marginally but very hard to say for sure. But again there's definitely no issue with that from my opinion 👍
Nice review, as usual. Nice to see that Titleist was able to get incremental gains in all aspects compared to the TSR, but it will be also interesting to see how significant are the gains when you compare the GT to the older generations like the TS or the 917 series. At the end of the day, most of the golfers are not replacing their drived every one or two years, but more likely every 4 or 5. Are you planning to make also such comparisons ?
Yup, I had the 910 D2 and I play about 5-10 times per year so it didn't seem like a big deal to get a newer driver. But then I noticed that most people were out driving me by about 20 plus yards and no offense to them, but I knew I had a better swing and better contact than them. Finally got fit for the TSR3 and OMG did it make a difference. The technology drastically changed since my 910D2. I gained over 30 yards of distance and I am able to keep more shots in the fairway. I also am playing with the 695CB irons but I hit those really accurately so not sure if I will switch out those. But upgrading to a newer driver if yours is more than about 5-6yrs old I 100% believe it's worth it!! Thanks for the content, appreciate it.
I've tested GT2 and GT3. I have gamed a TSR3 since release and the new GT feels and sounds better. Also the new lines on the face help with alignment. Performance wise spin was much better on mishits than TSR. TSR and GT may look similar but great improvements have been made in feel, sound and performance in GT. All this together is more than enough reason to upgrade. Personally the better sound and feel alone are enough for me to upgrade!
imo the older Titlesit drivers weren't the best. So a certain improvement on off centre hits in terms of ball speed retention and spin retention. In terms of overall yardage it really depends what numbers you currently get out of yours. In terms of how well it's fitted to your delivery and what launch and spin characteristics you get out of it. If it isn't great you coud expect 10 - 30 yards. If it is good then you may only see a few....it really depends. But definetely as an all round driver they are a lot better now.
Great content as always mate! What do u think of the actual moi measurements of both GT’s being lower than the tsr’s? Saw it on another channel. I know moi isn’t everything, but I was shocked.
I assume it's as they have moved the CG slightly lower and further forward probably to try and increase ball speed and lower spin slightly. I think the actual MOI numbers means nothing tbh. Bit overhyped. It's just as good if not marginally better than the TSR
@epgolfstudios Agree mate. Moi is just one measure of forgivness. Unfortunately for me my GT fitting couldn't beat my TSR for dispersion and smash factor. Yardages/ball speed were similar. I was gutted 🤣
@@matthewthompson6329 😂 well at least you did the right thing and tested properly 👌 as I said in the vid, if you've got a well fitted TSR a lot of people probably won't see much in it. The honest truth is it will probably depend how good the swings were in the data sets. And that may flip day to day
I really enjoy this channel but ngl, this is the first time I've felt like I was being sold a used car. I've been a Titleist guy forever & play both the TSR2 & 3 and just tested both the GT2 & GT3. You hit the TSR2 lower on both the toe & heel & also hit it closer to the heel. I also have a launch monitor & granted how impressive your ability to hit both the toe & heel is, the efficency on TSR2 was impacted more severely. You know that & yet continued to suggest otherwise. Maybe it was an oversight but you appear to be a damn good fitter so... Anyways, my testing showed a fraction more club speed for GT, (as you mentioned, aerodynamics) efficency was a push & the GT was a fraction more suseptible to a left miss but fought it off pretty well. Hopefully no hard feelings, just felt like it needed to said. Cheers
Thanks, glad you enjoy the channel. Well lower in the face is more efficient than high, so if anything from an efficiency perspective that could hav even given the edge to the TSR. However high in the face is obviously longer because of the higher launch and lower spin. So swings in rounabouts. And yeah the TSR was a bit more in the heel but like 1-2mm. So about as fair as I could make it as I'm not a robot. Even with that my summary was still its hard to say if thee is a differnce on mishits. So i feel thats pretty fair.
@@ScratchWhoShoots80s yeah absolutely right. Can't really remember in the toe but in the heel I was definitely hitting it consistently above the equator with the GT and remember at least a few high toe
@epgolfstudios I'm also just going on the average strike from the screen shot. You seem to be a little like me & can hit balls forever. I only really commented because the toe avg had gotten much closer to the shaft you'd have been in broken shaft territory. Which again is incredibly impressive. I'm a bit older & was taught to swing down or flat with driver. I broke a few shafts learning to swing up. 😂
Absolutely, I'd love to do loads of head to heads, unfortunately I'm so busy fitting at the moment I haven't really got any time to do videos 😔 but I'll be doing my best to do some when I can
@@patrickbeach3070 oh 😂😂 sorry that wasn't very clear and normally people are pretty quick to comment when they haven't even watched all of the video 😂
Thanks for a great comparison for high and average swings just what I needed to see. Lots of coin to make a change without a very good comparison. Great work love your videos.
