To Be (or not to be) a Woman | Kathleen Stock Interview

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Kathleen Stock is a professor of philosophy who has taken quite a bit of flak for questioning the radical trans rights agenda. In this interview, we discuss her perspective on the problems with "Self ID" and what's happening to women in the rush to forward the trans agenda.
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@DonnaBrooks 4 года назад

Interesting that she mentioned Pride being commodified & something everyone wants to attend. Fun facts: I'm lesbian. I live in a big city. I haven't gone to Pride in probably 15 years. My hetero, biologically female (I refuse to use the term cis) housemate goes every year. A lesbian friend of mine also goes every year. A little over a year ago, when I first became aware of this dangerous trend, I tried to have a conversation with her about how trans ideology & self-identification is negatively affecting biological women. It didn't go well. I agree w/ your guest. I don't understand why people vehemently defend the "rights" of trans-identified people yet don't consider the ways they violate the rights & wellbeing of biological women. I can't help but see sexism as playing a large role in it b/c the people making the demands are biological men. You don't hear about FtTMs demanding access to men's sports or dressing rooms. I am actually feeling less safe as a lesbian woman now than I did 20-25 years ago. (Edited: I made too many changes to list the edits here, but I edited it as soon as I posted it, before there were any "Likes".)

@enzowilson345 4 года назад

Difficult to get into sufficient depth on a comment thread. I would say that I think most men I know agree with the Kathleen. I get the feeling that mtf attack women/lesbians because they feel their identity is undermined by their existence and questioning. I think some of this reaction is externalised insecurity. I'm not sure if there is any light between that and misogyny. I think she's spot on, at least on this subject.

@sarawhitmire7967 3 года назад

You are right on! I also am a lesbian and so far removed from the LBGTQ "community". What a joke

@HkFinn83 3 года назад

Is there any example of a trans woman assaulting somebody in a drawing room? I’m not saying you’re right or wrong I just would like to know if this has any base in reality or it’s just perception.

@annejohnston8696 2 года назад

@GNC_FN Métis aka 2Spirit Métis I understand a proportion do just that!

@devin_3875 2 года назад

@@HkFinn83 a drawing room?

@angelagreen242 2 года назад

Outrageous how this intelligent, articulate, reasonable woman has been treated. What a huge loss to academia.

@johnchappell4492 5 лет назад

At some point the adults are going to have to step up and start saying...."No".

@SoyDuckHot 5 лет назад

When the normies start saying no, it will probably be too late. The sjw always appealing to authority are tools used by the elite to gain more power.

@elinorlongman3354 5 лет назад

Kit McKillington: lol"

@gregoryallen0001 4 года назад

and let me guess.. you're the adult right?

@redfaust8189 5 лет назад

Great interview, Benjamin! Kathleen was very interesting and articulate on these issues. I'm soooooooooooooooooooo glad that you are doing this series. You are exploring the heart of the most pressing cultural conundrum that I've experienced within my lifetime, and you are doing it with some of the most fascinating intellectuals and cultural commentators that I've heard on these issues. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

@marcosantos3381 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for this! I lived in the same city of this brilliant woman and studied at the university where she works at. The way she was treated was disgusting, transtrenders tried to have her fired and shout her down in every possible way. It's disgusting.

@KMF-nj8kr 5 лет назад

The unintended consequences of good intentions seem to always get ignored

@KMF-nj8kr 5 лет назад

@@benisrood I have seen some Sowell interviews always meant to read some of his writings but never got around to it. Didn't realize he said something similar about good intentions but seems like him. Thinking of checking out more of his interviews if not actually reading his works. He's very smart and interesting. Just kinda fell off my radar until your comment. Thanks.

@fruhbisspattv5259 5 лет назад

Yes, you are right. And taht´s a much bigger problem in our society as most people recognize.

@chagal3299 5 лет назад

She's seems incredibly intelligent and compassionate! Good interview, again.

@ChangeMatt 5 лет назад

Great interview Benjamin and very enlightened guest. I think we are just beginning to realise the ramifications of how quickly the ground has shifted. Your work is really making me think

@YxiSylvia 5 лет назад

Women can't even get birth control over the counter yet in Canada without having a pap smear and doctor visits. I can't even imagine being able to legally decide to be something else without any recourse.

@VladVexler 3 года назад

Very lucid and enjoyable discussion with dear Kathleen. Thank you!

@STOPjammietime 5 лет назад

Thanks so much for this series Ben. You're, to my mind, the first centrist man to address it thoughtfully, respectfully and with a truly open mind. It's greatly appreciated and a huge service to society.

@estelaluciau.v3450 4 года назад

Thank you, Dr. Stock. You have intellectual and ethical integrity and it shows. This is a really interesting conversation. Take care. :)

@lewreed1871 3 года назад

I absolutely LOVE Kathleen Stock! Thanks for this. She really should be pope.

@Scarlett_999 3 года назад

Ms Kathleen Stock is simply wonderful 👏. Thank you

@EM-cg4iy 4 года назад

Wanted to learn more about Kathleen Stock, googled her and OF COURSE you have already interviewed her! Another great guest, and good job Benjamin!

@galacticusX 5 лет назад

Can we smash the like button please? How much better can this interview series get?

@BenjaminABoyce 5 лет назад

My humble thanks, GX

@davyprendergast82 4 года назад

@@BenjaminABoyce maybe you have some influence in academia or followers to help prevent this attempt at getting Stock removed from a debating panel? twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1196413700598464512

@James-ip1tc 5 лет назад

There’s actually a good analogy regarding transgendered people and self identification and it involves being disabled. If I’m disabled I cannot self identify as being disabled. I can’t just go run out and say well I am disabled so I want these accommodations and these benefits from the government or from private companies. If I’m born with a disability I have to prove I have a disability to gain access to they are in accommodation. So if you are a transgendered it is perfectly except a bowl for society to require a process whatever that entails to validate you are in fact a transgendered person.

@melindabar 5 лет назад

It's weird how self ID has become the standard so quickly in some places.

@mancheezethegreat8617 5 лет назад

Who gets to say who is a real trans and a fake one?

@marcosantos3381 5 лет назад

You know that many of these transtrenders also identify as disabled too? They usually self diagnose adhd, autism and even physical disabilities!

@mancheezethegreat8617 5 лет назад

@@alegriart Oh I know what you're saying and I agree with it.

@davyprendergast82 4 года назад

@@marcosantos3381 there is actually a school of thought suggesting that being on the autism spectrum is one reason for people wanting to be another gender

@liammccann8763 4 года назад

The word 'community' is being slowly crushed by the proliferation of the 'self'. Observe how the word 'self' now positions itself; self ID, self respect, self esteem, self awareness.......The word self has pushed itself to the fore. This also applies to tech; I-pad, I-phone, I-mac. I, I, I, me, me, me. Ne Timeas.

@davidprince1138 3 года назад

Most definitely, the trans activists are a very narcissistic and self driven group.

@jayjaydubful 3 года назад

I really, really like & respect Kathleen Stock. I cannot understand how she attracts the vitriol she does as she is very accommodating of trans, & I think in aspects too accommodating. She buys into the language (eg referring to Susie Green's son as her 'daughter' and veers away from seeing/recognising the darkness, misogyny & sexual pathology in the TRA movement. I see the political strategy of this but I think that any capitulation & compromise feeds the beast & undermines the argument.

@falconb8t750 3 года назад

I can never get enough of your content. I like watching some of your older content because it’s still very relevant

@sincerityissacred5101 Год назад

Brilliant interview with a terrific advocate. Minutes 42-48 are SO informative. This video is 4 years old, and it would seem that this situation has gotten worse, not better.

@collegesandcannibals241 5 лет назад

Good one. Kathleen is a star.

@cord11ful 4 года назад

I look forward to Kathleen's book on what it is to be a woman, expected to be out in 2 years. By then I expect it will be a revelation! Perhaps we will be the cool new edgy Identity - making it into adulthood with all your bits intact will be a major talking point at parties.

@peavy6106 3 года назад

52:00 "...and then they'll give me a fucking medal!!" LmAo! Congrats on the OBE Dr. Stock, what a difference two years makes!

@dianamutimer4716 3 года назад

How ironic then that her University has betrayed her and refused to congratulate her. How mean.

@dahlilance6087 5 лет назад

On the subject of force and coercion, within the last two years I have become increasingly aware of the lack of support for families surrounding the LGBT+ community. Specifically, if a married person comes out as gay or trans only that person has support. Of course everyone has the freedom to make their own decisions, I wouldn't change that. However I am seeing a climate in which spouses are not permitted to express grief over the end of the relationship or in one particularly troubling case, a wife who is straight is being placed in a position of being identified as a lesbian when she is not one. Her husband came out as transgender quite suddenly and began transition therapy quickly after. We live in the US. Initially the trans spouse accepted that the children might still acknowledge them as dad, there are two young children one of them ASD. This family is getting no counseling. For the non-trans spouse, seeking counseling herself might be seen as a micro-aggression and trigger a dysphoric episode in the trans spouse and could be used against the non-trans spouse in court as proof of domestic violence should divorce ever become a possibility. Of course divorce could only be broached by the trans spouse. I wondered if this sort of thing has been discussed or looked at.

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

On the lesbian front I question any transsexual that says they are lesbian. I think they might just be AGPs but I could be wrong.

@JohnWilmot1179 3 года назад

“How to overcome the cotton ceiling”?! Is it something that we are really discussing?! I mean, are they serious?! This is disgusting.

@xf7040 3 года назад

Yeah, it's fucked up... saying it another way, cotton ceiling = breaking down women's defences

@izzyfox7575 3 года назад

Yes. Five years ago I had a male housemate defend the concept of the cotton ceiling to my face.

@beatrixkiddvideo2404 5 лет назад

Benjamin, I appreciate your series on this topic. It’s a shame about the woman-hating subscribers/male commenters, though.

@deplorabled1695 5 лет назад

Some of these people are your allies - the left hates you, the right stands with you - but you cannot bring yourself around to grab the extended hand of friendship. I am a right-centre guy; I have watched the radfem dialogue regarding men for a decade, and there is a lot of misandry - just as there its a ton of misogyny around from all spheres. Transcult should be a apolitical issue - but it's nearly only the right that is standing up. Glad to see Glinner on board, but he (like you) continues to alienate and pathologies people across the aislie. Where we have common ground we should be pragmatic and not idealistic.

@TheNightBadger 5 лет назад

_" It’s a shame about the woman-hating subscribers/male commenters, though."_ A shame about the 'male commenters'? More of a shame about comments like yours...

@beatrixkiddvideo2404 5 лет назад

Deplorable D It’s not as though I don’t understand the politics of strategic alliances; it’s that I can’t get on board with right-wingers who believe women should be under men’s thumbs, who oppose abortion or lesbian rights. I watched Julie Bindel do speaking engagements with Milo Yannopoulis, I saw what she was trying to do, but women have to fight for women’s rights and ONLY women’s rights. Getting in bed with misogynists doesn’t benefit women.

@chagal3299 5 лет назад

Benjamin! Could you please have on Posie Parker/Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull? PLEEZ

@margochanning6868 4 года назад

@@alegriart In other words, she doesn't agree with you lockstep. You confuse the term, "intellectual" with pseudo intellectuals. I actually take quite a lot of exception with Posie Parker but I doubt for the same reasons that you do.

@youcantdiealonewithcats 3 года назад

It's true she's not an academic or intellectual like Kathleen Stock here. But that's part of what's so appealing and admirable about her. She represents the Average Jane, if you will. A woman. A mom. (which isn't to say that moms cannot be academics or intellectuals, but it's not a representation of the larger female population that goes unheard). I personally disagree with Posie on several things, she doesn't identify as a feminist and yet she IS one, by being a woman fighting for she and her daughter's and all women and girls sex-based rights. I appreciate and admire that she won't just *shut up*, which is what The Powers That Be want.

@davidprince1138 3 года назад

I have the greatest respect for her. She is a strong and brave woman who is actually well spoken if you have seen any of her many interviews. She has gone toe to toe with trans women trying to destroy her equipment. She is absolutely focused on her fight and will take to the end.

@chelseapoet3664 3 года назад

@@alegriart you don't have to be an intellectual to be an interesting guest. When you say 'to be polite' it seems like that your comment is a kind of disguise for your real opinion that she is not intelligent, with which I would disagree.

@Thatssomebadhatharry1 3 года назад

@@alegriart well to be polite your views don’t even matter if you are happy throwing fellow women doing their best down the river

@kittykat896 5 лет назад

I wish Kathleen named the title of the book she's reading on Conversion Therapy of homosexuality in the early 1900's. If anyone here knows of some literature on this subject, it would be vastly appreciated.

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

44:30 so I think I might disagree with the Dr here. So I believe sexuality and sex and the concept of gender are tied together. Now there are a few homosexual transsexuals like myself but if the majority like women I question that as there might be a rather large group of AGPs just trying to tap an untapped market in a sense with lesbians. I mean they would have a better chance with bi women but instead they choose lesbians specifically. That makes me suspicious and I think it does need to be explored more.

@Pihasanddunes1 4 года назад

Respect to Professor Stock for continuing to fill one of the key roles of academia, to critique society and its discourses, especially discourses that become fixed and normative (and potentially oppressive.) Zero respect to those who instead of attempting to engage her ideas, or the ideas she agrees with, just try and shut her down.

@janmariolle 2 года назад

What a difference a year makes….Professor Stock has been through hell. I’m back for a second listen. Wonderful interview.

@Lloyd2112DT 5 лет назад

49:50 I find it completely baffling that people would assume that someone is bigoted because they don't find a certain person attractive. Sexual attraction is a completely subconscious process, not a conscious rational process. Just because I don't find a particular trans person attractive doesn't mean I'm transphobic. People too often forget that multiple things can be true at once... 1:03:50 See "This Video Will Make You Angry" by CGP Grey. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rE3j_RHkqJc.html Tribalism in the age of social media seems to result in strange feedback loops that stoke the fires of outrage and make people more polarized. I think ultimately the trend is unsustainable, and we'll either figure out how to self-correct, or the systems will end up tearing themselves apart. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

@melindabar 5 лет назад

I like the direction you're going in with these interviews, finding mature discussion with other people interested in resisting the rewards brought by angry unnuanced blather. I think it will have a positive effect even if it doesn't generate as many views and likes.

@hreedwork 5 лет назад

Ben, you did it again. Roped us into an hour+ esoteric interview that was utterly fascinating 😎

@HaloSmyth 3 года назад

In a lot of ways race can be much more abstract than gender. If I have a black mother and white father and look white but identify myself more as black. What race am I? Who gets to decide if i am white or black or have white privilege of black victim status. With gender you are either male or female or in VERY rare cases something in between

@YxiSylvia 5 лет назад

I'm Canadian, and just after new years there was an article that came out called Meet Our Women Of The Year: 32 Canadians Who Absolutely Rocked 2018 (No. 17 of 32) and there was a transgender man on that list. It really pissed me off. Women are working hard to get recognition in their fields and this 'guy' dressed as a woman was on our list. I'm not sure why that is but I do not feel comfortable with it. www.chatelaine.com/news/women-of-the-year-2018/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

@clickaccept 5 лет назад

Women stood by and watched, occasionally cheering, instead of defending their fathers, husbands and sons, as every institution turned into a machine to attack the masculine and the traditional patriarchal structure of the family and our culture. Where is your famous female empathy for these "men" who have degraded and transfigured themselves, because they're not comfortable being a man. Oh thats right, if empathy conflicts with self-interest, its always self-interest that wins. As a traditionalist I agree with you that transgenderism is awful. But so is the incessant sickening celebration of "stunning and brave women". Stop reading such puerile lists and remove your support from progressive media that produces them.

@user-ld7uj9pv8e 5 лет назад

And in the US. A wealthy, privileged, white male Jenner gets a major award as a courageous women... vomit.

@user-ld7uj9pv8e 5 лет назад

@@clickaccept Somewhat demented argument.

@clickaccept 5 лет назад

@@user-ld7uj9pv8e Its a description of many men's lives. I'm sorry the world (in particular female nature) isn't how you would prefer it to be.

@raydiantlabyrinth6345 4 года назад

Yea, when Glamour Mag did this with f***ing Bono (when he was philanthrowashing DAPL investors during the peak #NoDAPL, no less), it really pissed me off, -no, it did far more than just piss me off. www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2017/02/08/buffet-gates-foundation-bonos-red-and-the-dakota-access-pipeline/ -I mentioned this is the tail end of the article. Wish I could have highlighted it standalone instead of at the end of a 26 page article, but the investigation takes that long and it was that big of a scandal. The article also got me censored on F***book with no violation of their terms of service.

@DR_Neal_Rigger 5 лет назад

Gotta tell ya.. The spiral of this demographic is beyond ridiculous, and has no destination.. but whatevs..

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

So in the bathroom because we are not a large population I don't think its right to push a cost onto business owners that might not have the funds or space to create a new bathroom. Now on sexual assault spaces I think having a space for trans woman is reasonable. That is one of the areas of concern GC feminist have a very honest argument because some of us don't pass and ptsd is a real thing and you don't want to force someone to face that before they are ready and actually have the coping mechanisms to do so. Granted as long as self id exist and just calling anyone trans exist I get the outright ban.

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

Oh on the prison thing I had a friend who worked at a prison here in Texas and they had a pod that was for gay men and transsexuals without the surgery so idk why the U.K. does not do that .

@QuatMan 5 лет назад

I am enjoying this series so much! I am a heterosexual, cisgendered woman who shares a LOT of the same concerns as Kathleen, as well as some of the other people (usually biological women, regarless of sexual orientation) featured on this series. So happy that someone is giving a platform to those of us who aren't really able to just blindly accept transgender rhetoric and the scope of its implications in the lives of biological women.

@simgrmehmej8075 2 месяца назад

Her willingness to accept collective responsibility as valid just toasts parts of her border argument

@Knuck_Knucks Год назад

Playing some catchup. Good chat. Thx! 🐿

@stephenhicks7632 2 года назад

Aww. I love Kathleen. This now looks so quaint. "Academic freedom." They fucked you over... Stay strong, sister

@fujoshipeanut5074 5 лет назад

You can't identify as black... ...yet. Give it time.

@benjaminlquinlan8702 5 лет назад

Fantastic video as usual

@micksc1 5 лет назад

Prefixing all genders with XX or XY seems the way to go here

@reidosarous 5 лет назад

What is this, a early 2000's video game lobby?

@BaronVonTacocat 5 лет назад

I don't _identify_ with that. I don't _identify_ with the new _cis_ prefixes either. It seems like a passive aggressive way of confusing people even more. _Sis,_ is short for _sister_ or _sissy_ and "cis" is pronounced the same, to me it'd be like demanding that females have to now call themselves _bro females_ from now on. SMH #EuphemisticHomophonesAreGay

@ToyokaX 5 лет назад

@@BaronVonTacocat Yea, I don't agree with the "cis" labeling either. It feels derogatory. Not saying I feel offended, but it does piss me off when I hear someone being labeled or called "cis"-gendered. Like, who are you to say what someone is, while maintaining your own virtuous position as someone who is supposedly "oppressed" and mis-labled?

@BaronVonTacocat 5 лет назад

@@ToyokaX : D

@BaronVonTacocat 5 лет назад

@Ted Ingalls Agreed.

@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj 2 года назад

It's a shame that Dr.Stock was forced to resign as a professor. That university lost a brilliant mind. She seems like a great teacher. Most professors these days don't want the "wrong" kind of discussion and it's refreshing that she allowed debate in her classroom.

@jessicawollstonecraft348 5 лет назад

Self ID seems almost perfectly designed to kick up this exact fight and distract from the real problem...that there is a distinct lack of resources for adult, potentially trans and trans, patients. There are not enough qualified medical professionals to make diagnoses, skilled GRS surgeons, or points of access. Resolving that, though, would cost *actual money* up front. Whereas, the costs of Self ID won't show up until we're way down the line.

@BenjaminABoyce 5 лет назад

Interesting take.

@jessicawollstonecraft348 5 лет назад

@@BenjaminABoyce Really? Throwing the malcontents a few scraps from the table to keep them busy with infighting, distract from the real problem, or bleed off resentment is standard operating procedure for authoritarians.

@mancheezethegreat8617 5 лет назад

Self ID is where this HAS to go because the entire concept transgendered activists want us to BELIEVE and VALIDATE is a LIE.

@miriamlana833 3 года назад

Thailand shows us how a "trans mass market" with self-ID looks like. It works with reasonable costs, and so it will work in the West. The cost of hormones and specific surgery and than only councelling not deciding psychologists will fall, there will be no few "money makers" like today in the West. In some decades, trans people will be as normal as cis people, and they all trans and cis will laugh about our today issues with trans.

@edoboleyn 4 года назад

“We need people who will take shit from 360 degrees.”

@tomhansen6115 5 лет назад

Have you thought about having Karen Straughn on?

@BenjaminABoyce 5 лет назад

I'll ping her again. We had a conversation in 2017 you can find by way of web search.

@thebibosez7949 5 лет назад

* Straughan

@arktana 5 лет назад

Oh, please not her. She is everywhere, she spews hate towards women (which draws in all the MGTOW types, who sponsor her) then she gives a platform to all kinds of crazy fascists and white supremacists, like Stefan Molyneux.

@sunbro6998 5 лет назад

Really? All the talks I have seen her in she quiet intelligent and reasonable.

@thebibosez7949 5 лет назад

@@arktana Nowadays when a someone like Karen calmly advocates for actual, legal gender equality, all kinds of feminist loons get deranged. Well, even more so, tbf.

@anomietoponymie2140 5 лет назад

This was a bit unfocused. I was able to follow the discussion because I am very familiar with Kathleen’s Twitter and the essays she’s posted there and I have been following you, Ben, since your first videos about Evergreen. I know what’s going on in Britain with the proposed changes to the GRA, the Gender Recognition Act, I am familiar with the charities Kathleen spoke about, such as Mermaids and its leader Susie Green... and so on. I’m unsure a person less familiar with all of this could have followed the discussion.

@whatamievendoinghere5804 5 лет назад

Anomie Toponymie unfortunately I agree. She seemed nervous.

@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals 3 года назад

And rights of spouses to disconnect from this narcissism of the M2F husbands, the effects of this on children of, in light of sea change in what the families of transsexuals experience. I know, I am a Trans Widow. My lesbian friends back then told me they just were not comfortable w these dudettes.

@howmanybeansmakefive Месяц назад

Interesting to see how Stock's ideas have developed over the years since leaving Sussex/Post-Cass. I feel like now sh'e'd definitely disagree with herself at 39:27

@williamjoyce4313 5 лет назад

I'm finding it very hard to not just focus on the mini-Boyce in the corner the whole time

@johnchappell4492 5 лет назад

He's mocking Big-Boyce by mimicking every thing he does...but backwards.

@williamjoyce4313 5 лет назад

@@johnchappell4492 Yeah, that's fuckin little brothers for you.

@williamjoyce4313 5 лет назад

Just to clarify, "fuckin" is an adjective in my previous comment, not a verb. I barely know what an adjective is, so it might be something else, but you get my gist. No fucking is happening.

@emilyb5278 2 года назад

I'd be interested to look into the phyciatrist that are mainly men sometimes religous men,who are often misogynistic and gender normative in their treatment of patients, how its effecting the trans movement. I know in the last few years or so religion in the UK has started to be implemented in hospitals as in heads of churches coming in to hospitals and trying to get patients to become Christian. And also they don't like women or men who don't conform to gender stereotypes. When girls were having their nales painted a man wasn't allowed to paint his and doctors and nurses often tell female patients to put makeup on to feel better. It's not extreme but I've heard some claiming to be phycologisys online telling people gender norms like girls liking dolls and pink in normal and boys that like to dress up in so called female clothes etc is not normal when we know its totally normal I wonder how much of this sexist and religious agenda is effecting gay people who often have mental health issues how much they are being influenced into believing yes because you have no interest in fashion and pink things and like women that means your a boy and we can surgically put you in that category as it suits the current obsession with gender separation and a return to 50s housewives. As we can see the men's movement like manestfere etc are obsessed with getting women back into the gender normative of the 50s. Because its a disturbing amount of men that want this and some are lawyers, phycistrist, barristers etc.

@georgesrobitaille3767 2 года назад

Interesting how this becomes relevant 2 years later

@SoyDuckHot 5 лет назад

Benjamin, you mentioned something about going to a really progressive school, that’s interesting you should make a video about it :/

@anomietoponymie2140 5 лет назад

kit sandlebar His videos for the first year of his channel were about nothing else. Catch up.

@SoyDuckHot 5 лет назад

Anomie Toponymie Lol I’ve watched almost all his videos and he is my favorite youtuber, I’m just messin’ around.

@Pihasanddunes1 4 года назад

Also, kudos to you, Benjamin, for a host of interesting, challenging content.

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

37:13 so I find this interesting about myself but I've never questioned what I felt or that I liked males. I questioned what caused me to harbor feelings that my sex was all wrong and I was suppose to be a female. But liking guys or how I felt was solidified by 10 to 12 years of age.

5 лет назад

Man...we are fucked....

@BlackBeltMonkeySong 5 лет назад

I love how people in the humanities are constantly talking about how important they are: like there's no self-serving bias that's evident.

@MarciaMatthews 3 года назад

Prof. Kathleen Stock, did you quit Twitter? We miss you.

@MrAristaeus 3 года назад

“Out in Britain, England”... Not a good start!

@lennymclean. 2 года назад

Last month I decided that I was going to start identifying as a 6ft4" tall man.

@jgwphilly1969 2 года назад

“Race” is not a biological reality but sex is; that’s the difference.

@baconsarny-geddon8298 Год назад

You believe that having dark/light skin, curly/straight hair, wide/narrow nose, eyes that do/don't have epicanthic fold AREN'T "a biological reality"?!? Besides, they don't claim to change their SEX; They claim to change their (evidence-free, 100% undefinable) "GENDER". Which they claim is "just a social construct", and not biological, either. So whichever way you slice it, whether race IS or ISN'T biological, BOTH ways are equivalent to the trans issue (because "gender" ideology is a self-contradictory mess- "Gender" both IS and ISN'T inherently linked to real-world, evidence-based sex. "Gender" is 100% nurture/learned, coz "just a social construct", but ALSO 100% nature/innate, coz "born this way". Where drugs/surgery AREN'T neccessary to be trans... unless the person is an unconsenting child, when it suddenly becomes URGENT to chemically-sterilize the child, because "just a social construct" has somehow rendered the child's 100% natural, healthy puberty to now be "wrong".)

@enoughstuffff 5 лет назад

Two Benjamin Boyce's for the price of one. If only mini-ben had a better background :(

@N0die 4 года назад

How many times do I have to bring up the fact that WPATH dictates that only gender affirmative measures will stand? A clinical criteria is to be done away with.

@alex-qd6of 5 лет назад

Every other day feminism is a great idea. Ask subscribers to pledge to read as many posts from one side as they do from the other.

@lesliesykes-warren5664 4 года назад

another fascinating interview - please no more self-serving meghan daum

@philipmoss4027 3 года назад

What makes her self-serving?

@baconsarny-geddon8298 Год назад

The idea that you can opt out of being "a woman"/"a man" makes about as much sense as being able to opt out of your age, race, height, or species. (Sex-independent) "Gender" DOES NOT EXIST; "Man"/"woman" have ALWAYS been defined by evidence-based SEX, not make-it-up-as-you-go, 100% evidence-free "gender". "Gender" is (at best) a faith-based religious belief, and should be treated like any other religious belief.

@ruebenbentley4260 5 лет назад

Ben flexing on us with the airpods

@Argeaux2 Месяц назад

Wow. You have to be really out of touch not to realise that England is part of Britain, not the other way around.

@DonnaBrooks 4 года назад

I don't think gay men have the least oppression in the LGBT community. In GENERAL society, bi people probably have the least oppression b/c they can be bi & still be in a relationship w/ an opposite sex partner. You could be bi your whole life & never date someone of the same sex. The point of coming out isn't always just so you can be honest w/ your family when you bring someone home for a visit. Everyone has their own reasons for when & how they come out. Unfortunately, bi people often faced bigotry FROM gays & lesbians BECAUSE they have the option to hide while still having a companion. I'm lesbian & I never did understand that particular bias.

@mancheezethegreat8617 5 лет назад

Stories have patterns. Archetypes have no meaning in this discussion. We don't need them.

@missynorris2055 3 года назад

She looks like Jordan Peterson's sister.

@BaronVonTacocat 5 лет назад

She seemed cool.

@benjaminlquinlan8702 5 лет назад

If you need to make and argument about a piece of fiction that changed our perceptions of male and female - have one to hand. It makes it look like a kinda weak tea point.

@deplorabled1695 5 лет назад

We need a few boosts for your subscriber count - I'm talking to you @rubinreport @benshapiro @Timcast @joerogan Honestly the best channel I have subbed to in the last 3 months.

@mattiOTX 4 года назад

37:45 my thoughts on that is you should question it rather thoroughly. It should also be with someone who is rather skeptical because the gender confirming therapist have never actually studied the satanic daycare case where the kids were telling cops things and the cops were giving positive feedback of certain subjects and then asking leading question. By the end multiple daycare teachers were sent to prison over nothing because the children were trying to get a positive socual response and then the leading questions by the cops expanded the fantasy where kids were having nightmares. The children are trying to confirm the positive feedback they are getting from the gender confirming therapist and it pushes them onto a path they never should have been on because they don't question any real question its just do you feel like a girl or boy. I never felt like a boy or girl and I dont know what that means. I would have to exist as multiple people to know what being a boy or girl means. I know I felt my body was wrong and I knew my sex was suppose to be female and that my body was deformed and even my 2ndary sex characteristics my brain sees as deformities. Its not suppose to be there and my brain screams it out at me.

@JS-zy6pw 5 лет назад

Lol. Last comment was very revealing

@margochanning6868 4 года назад

Maybe Kathleen Stock didn't anticipate this slippery slope phenomenon and fallout but many of us did.

@nancyrobertson9256 3 года назад

Fifty years ago when I was in college, my friends and I speculated about what the future would be like. Some of us thought that the sexes would get all mixed up, and that terrible things would result. We were right.

@CheeseSteakJimi 4 года назад

And it came to pass... they started eating their own

@aj7aj 5 лет назад

Steven Terence Wood

@johnadams2063 2 года назад

Why does everyone gotta be gay or a lesbian or a trans?? Grow up no your not

@Doutsoldome 5 лет назад

14:45 "(...)what I think happens is *_a small proportion_* of academics have over prominent effects (...) it only takes *_a few_* people to chill the environment." 15:38 "(...) there's *_a remarkable number_* of people that want me to shut up." Sounds like she is aware of more people causing trouble than she is willing to admit openly in an abstract manner.

@Teddypally 5 лет назад

Your previous guest, the bitcoin guy, I found to be intellectually developed as he was able to forecast (response, react, act, plan, forecast), which to me is the highest mode of understanding I am aware of. This guest is still in the response mode. I posted this in another thread, "The issue is the cognitive bias called the belief bias. Ordinarily, the mind makes sense of what it observes and then applies this to abstract thoughts. This sense is called logic. If one has an abstract belief and then attempts to make sense of it and apply that sense to ordinary observations it results in not-logic. "Cause, like, when you start learning about systems, everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time." - Anita Sarkeesian - founder of Feminist Frequency." At her age, to still be in the response mode, to me, qualifies as having a broken mind.

@Captain_MonsterFart 5 лет назад

Yeah no shit! Finding opportunity in a crazy new technology.....or having to figure out a self defense posture from invading, manipulative men. Completely different places to be. Completely different reactions. One is a ray of light, one is a swampy quagmire. I bet you aren't always at your best, either!

@Teddypally 5 лет назад

@@Captain_MonsterFart How about having to figure out a self defensive posture from invading, manipulative, crazy new technology. You can gain insights into your own bias just by switch words around.

@beatrixkiddvideo2404 5 лет назад

Wow, check out all the unbiased, objective, logical, self-congratulatory, holier-than-thou, more-rational-than-thou men in this comments section! Fancy that they congregate all in one place! Reminds me of going for a pint at the uni pub during my undergrad.

@Teddypally 5 лет назад

@@beatrixkiddvideo2404 I get the metaphor. Yeah, it is like listening to people having a drunk conversation. It's less fun if you're not part of it. :)

@beatrixkiddvideo2404 5 лет назад

Oh, honey. It’s sweet that you’re trying to be patronising. I’ve had so many, many tiresome conversations with so many, many tiresome “logical” undergraduate, graduate, PhD, and all other forms of The I-Just-Discovered-Kierkegaard/Kant/Nietzsche/Joseph Campbell/Fill In The Male Theorist And I Can’t Stop Pontificating Über-Rational Dudebro, I’m immune 😁

@KMF-nj8kr 5 лет назад

1:00:14. Rapidly Rabid Radicals

@yagoa 5 лет назад

I have high regard for her observation of the feministic contradictions she brings up but, my contradiction counter goes off scale when I listen to her for more than 10 minutes...

@aj7aj 5 лет назад

Karen White

@jCrItCh5 5 лет назад

Philosophies of indiketrination

@annarboriter 5 лет назад

Professor, do you perhaps think it's time to analyze how much feminism now promotes social problematics that only real feminists can resolve as a means of justifying #whyineedfeminism? Boyce, I thought you would ask her whether the compulsion to not restrict the definition of feminism label parallels the idea that feminists don't want an exclusive definition of woman to exclude transwomen.

@sarahritter9772 5 лет назад

We want an exclusive definition of woman and therefore an exclusive definition of feminism. It's these "male feminists" and cocks in frocks who scream "feminism is for everyone".

@annarboriter 5 лет назад

@@sarahritter9772 I wish I could indulge your tendency to blame all problems on men. And which 'we' are you using in your response? I'm guessing that you put yourself in the 'radical feminist' school of feminism, which is great, but it's not the only 'we' in the ideology. And I can assure you that plenty of women often use the formula 'according to my definition of feminism..." in order to distance themselves from the elements that they prefer not to be associated with.

@sarahritter9772 5 лет назад

When have I blamed all problems on men? Stop being paranoid. Feminism is a movement that deals with issues that disproportionately effect women. We talk about women's rights and women's issues. And with women I mean human adult females. I used to be a so called liberal feminist until I realized that liberal feminism only centers men who want to be women and doesn't care about the effect transactivism has on women's rights. Liberal feminists can't even give you a definition of woman. And it's not very feminist to threaten women who disagree with you or actually physically assault them and then justify the violence as "self-defense" against "misgendering". And of course many young women turn to that type of feminism first, because it's the only type they know. I was one of these women a few years ago. But words have meaning. I will never understand this whole "my definition of woman is..." "my feminism is...", "to me being gay means..." nonsense. If we all use words differently then we can't communicate anymore. I wonder why they can't just say they're trans activists? Although I'm not even sure if transactivism is the correct term, since they're definition of transsexuality or "transgender" is also completely meaningless and subjective. I wouldn't call myself a radical feminist, since that definition doesn't quite fit my believes, although I do agree with radical feminists on many things. I would simply call myself a feminist, and as a feminist I'm concerned about the safety and the rights of women that are currently under attack. @@annarboriter

@benaiahwright937 3 года назад

Does the average women hate (or at least resent) being female? This may not be the thread for this but still...🤔

@yarajoan841 3 года назад

No 🙄🙄

@sarahm9723 5 лет назад

This all strokes me as role playing for attention.

@torrasque0151 5 лет назад

Good shitpost there at the end Benji, and her reaction was very telling. Everything else has been mocked plenty by the commentariat. All I could think of when she mentioned the "Wamen and Equalities Commitee" was Bring Back Phillip Davies. And they should really rename it already.

@HkFinn83 3 года назад

I have this nagging feeling that most of these gender theorists - whether they’re ‘queer’ theorists or feminists or whatever, haven’t done the reading and are just sort of...’winging it’? There’s a huge canon of information in biology, zoology, anthropology, and human history, and they don’t seem to have read any of it at all? Or if they have they don’t reference or talk about it. If you’re going to study gender academically why not really do a scholarly study of social history and see if there is any gender relevant information. And I mean really study to the same standards as it would be studied in those relevant departments - don’t just start with a slogan like ‘transphobia’, or ‘rape culture’, and then work your way backwards cherry picking factoids that support your pre formed conclusion. These experts just don’t strike me as having much expertise if I’m honest; people who have a deep understanding of a topic are supposed to have a profound knowledge of all the details of their field. Too many of these ‘critical’ types seem to be simply projecting a list of slogans and jargon terms onto topics they have limited understanding of.

@connie_d 5 лет назад

lol Britain, England

@djisolated4968 5 лет назад

Did she actually and honestly complain that female only spaces are rare? How absurd.

@mpmblos2778 5 лет назад

Female only spaces are opened up to men who claim they feel like women. Once males are allowed in, it's no longer female-only.

@whatamievendoinghere5804 5 лет назад

In my local community they have a ‘men’s shed’. It’s a male run, male only group who runs activities and outing for men. There is no such equivalent for women. None. The local kfc has renovated their store and toilets so that there is now a toilet for men only and the other only available toilet is for men, women, disabled people and baby changing. So, female spaces ARE rare where I am, almost non existent in fact.

@djisolated4968 5 лет назад

Yall are insanely funny. It is not enough how corporations and government programs provide endless space for you but you also get online and pretend they dont exist. As a dick swinging adult I dont require specific spaces but yall do. Slow claps

@user-ld7uj9pv8e 5 лет назад

@Chris Lifts historically and currently there are many, many male only places.

@user-ld7uj9pv8e 5 лет назад

@@djisolated4968 cos y'all have plenty that you take for granted.

@yowut8075 5 лет назад

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@richardblinn4811 5 лет назад

I skipped around in this video and gave up on it. I just couldn't relate to her basic world view.

@detrean 5 лет назад

@Riding Dirty In Oklahoma I absolutely agree. Additionally he is being very human here. Most people wish to listen and learn from people they relate to.