My son still drives a 2011 Mazda 3 5 door. The thing is still going strong and he drives it like a sports car. Told me my 2018 Nissan Murano is too "floaty" 😂
I had to 626’s and two Millenias in the 90’s and early 2000’s. There was a time when Mazda was going to split off and make a luxury division like Honda and Toyota but that never really materialized. They have the gravitas to do so even now. If Hyundai can do it with Genesis I don’t see why Mazda couldn’t do it. This would be a good starting point,
I checked 2 kia dillerships, and both wanted 8k on top of mrsp price and some useless packages on top of it. So mazda end up quite a bit cheaper to buy.
Wow, they are still marking up vehicles? Idiots that are paying these “mark ups”. The days of these mark ups will be coming to an end. Interests rates are too high right now. Not the best time to purchase a new vehicle.
@ZipNoBluff I forgot to mention that I live in Canada. It might be different in the US, but still I was very unpleasantly surprised when the manager started pushing story that they were selling fewer vehicles due to supply shortage and he needs to keep the business running.
The Mazda 340HP in its base trim (Turbo S) is my choice for best overall value at $51,750. Also has better acceleration, MPG and looks versus the Telluride IMO.
Agreed. CX-90 has more class than the Telluride which is just a nicely appointed budget bus. Whatever the case, some factors are missing and/or mispointed. These guys are pretty good but definitely have room to improve.
2 of the 3 things ur considering is pretty irrelevant in this segment. Stop using ur performance/driving experience prioritized mindset to rate large family subs. That's idiotic as hell.
I currently have a 2020 CX9 and love it. I've owned several premium vehicles including BMW's, MBZ's, Audi, Acura, Lincoln, Toyota's and the Mazda has been the best overall and zero problems in 50k mi. The CX90 will likely be my next vehicle.
Definitely CX-90 is superior to Telluride. More stylish, faster in 0-60, better fuel economy and agile handling. Only less is cargo capacity. If you want a wagon that can carry more stuff, then go Telluride.
This comparison is a bit odd, the Telluride is way better than the CX-90 on paper although there are features that Mazda has the advantage to the Telluride but was missed out to mention, like the Driver personalization and turning radius. The comments of your audience is completely the opposite, they favored if not most of them to the XC-90. Me too, would prefer the CX-90 all the way whatever advantage the Telluride has it.👍
Reliability is an important issue and the warrantee is a bit deceptive. The reason Kia has such an extended warrantee is experience has shown that consumers will need it and certainly use it during that time. I really like both of the Kia/Hyundai SUV twins but the Mazda, built in Japan has really raised the bar on this segment. The state of the art factory it is built in has also raised the bar on fit and finish to an almost unheard of level, leapfrogging even Lexus. The panel tolerances from nose to tail beat the very best from Lexus and that is saying something. This does not happen by accident and shows a massive effort on the part of Mazda to be a world class quality manufacturer. If they show the same attention to the powertrain and other components we may see Mazda at the very top of the JD Powers ranking throughout their model range in a few years. Personally I think the Mazda styling is pleasant but the Korean Twins are more interesting. Still I am very impressed with this new Mazda.
You are so simpleminded u don't even understand what longer warranty entails. Companies with issues won't provide long warranties since they will go bankrupt. Also basically the entire car is new for cx90 and it has a turbo engine. Youre so cluelessshould just refrain from opening ur mouth.
It might have been a better comparison to compare the Cx-90 to the MDX. I'm still amazed what kind of interior you get on the Kia. It's almost like Honda designers said. "We give up" when they designed the new Pilot. While nicer than the old Pilot. It's still playing second fiddle in the band. Not good for a brand-new design.
I feel the same way about every new Honda except the Civic. The Accords is ok but the rest of Honda/Acuras new interior feel built to a price…the Integras interior is a travesty. It’s 95 percent Civic
How does this show bias? This was an objective review with the specifications and features laid out for you… the Mazda is great but the features and what you get for your dollar in the Kia is remarkable.
@@Dellonidas i dont doubt that the Telluride is a better value...the Koreans are really good at giving you a lot for the money. I owned a Palisade and it was a great value for what it was...but the refinement of the Mazda is just so much better IMO. I've driven all of them and owned one (the Palisade) if I were buying today I'd take the CX90 over both of them in a heartbeat...my actual money is on the CX70...is suspect it will be smaller, more nimble, more fun to drive and cheaper. I no longer need a third row so the CX70 will be win-win for me.
In terms of performance, yes, the Mazda blows this out of the water. Certainly not in terms of utility which is ultimately what people look for when shopping for a midsize SUV.
So the conclusion i’ve come down to is that CX-90 really focuses on luxury and powerful while the telluride aims to be premium but also be very spacious as well.
I was shopping for knife. Cheap overpriced undesirable knife from China comes with 5 year warranty. Quality knife from Japan comes with 10 year warranty. Mazda comes with 5 year warranty which even poorest Quality car comes with. Hyundai-Kia comes with godly 10 year warranty! Twice more reliable than Mazda! Until Mazda proves its quality with 10 year warranty, Mazda is just an overpriced undesirable junk.
The Telluride aims to be a disposal, FWD 💩box with an interior that’s nice enough and a warranty long enough to sucker people buying their colossally inferior product
@@BC08 that’s the thing about the Korean companies. Nice features and interior, no reliability and definitely made to last till warranty expires. The Mazda despite being a mild hybrid will go past warranty.
Lol it some many lies on here Kia reliability has pass Honda and Toyota Lexus. It's more older models still running. Stop the cap. America makes shitty cars and now the trucks are crappy overpriced junk.
I think if the CX-90 is a hit and becomes an in-demand vehicle, Mazda will be marking them up like the Telluride. Dealers can’t help themselves. I bought my 2021 Rav4 Prime for MSRP in 2021 when it came out and qualified for the $7,500 tax credit. Many Toyota dealerships didn’t know what they had on their hands with the Rav4 Prime when it came out in 2021. Fast forward two years later, the same dealer is selling any of their rare Rav4 Prime vehicles that they receive at $10,000 over MSRP. I believe that’s the average over MSRP for Rav4 Prime vehicles at the moment.
Why award Teluride all those extra points in the end when we all know that buyers easily pay $10k over msrp at the dealer. At that point, Turbo Cx-90 Premium plus @ $52k is a better buy, even with 280hp engine.
That’s the entire issue I have with the whole comparison. It was blatantly obvious at the end when those extra points were added that a better comparison would have been to wait on the base 3.3 Premium Plus trim. Just seems like they rushed to get a comparison out just to have one out instead of properly comparing trim levels that compete with each other better
The refreshed fascia of the Telluride is worse looking than before. The new headlights are nicer. Overall, the CX-90 is more upscale looking, both interior and exterior, than the Telluride. The Telluride looks somewhat outdated now. The CX-90 wins this comparison easily when ride handling, power, fit and finish are considered. By the way, there was another RU-vid video in which the reviewer measured body panel gaps. He said it's the tightest (between 2.8 to 3.3 mm) and most consistent throughout the whole vehicle he's measured, including many of the high-end luxury ones. That fact alone speaks volume about the build quality of the new CX-90.
Telluride is the choice if you NEED a 3 row. Mazda is the choice if you just want those extra seats in a pinch. That inline 6 is amazing!! 🙌🏾 Are they still making a 2 row - CX-70 I heard at one point?
I think ya'll should have waited until you could test drive a base 3.3T Premium Plus against a Telluride and do the comparison again with cars on the same roads at the same time. No doubt the Telliuride is roomier and a better valiue, but I just dont buy a 6 point spread between the two. When the magazines do a comparison we'll see if the Telluride remains on top. As someone who has owned a Palisade and has driven the new Mazda CX90 3.3T Premium Plus my money is on the Mazda...it feels more refined, it has better interior materials than the Palisade (which has always been nicer on the inside than the Telliuride) and it will probably be faster and get better MPG. Ill give up a bit of space for higher refinement, better materials, better looks (the pre-facelift Telluride looked better than the facelift IMO), better handling and Mazda reliability. The areas where Mazda dropped the ball for me are infotainment and the lack of a remote engine start feature on the key fob. Telluride just looks dorky in comparison to the new CX90.
I owned a Telluride before and the fuel economy was mediocre especially with my mainly local driving (about 18mpg). I would have chosen the CX90 PHEV all the way if I am given a choice between these two. In full disclosure I currently own a Kia Sorento PHEV prestige AWD with 68.5 mpg which is hard to beat.
How do u like your Sorento. I have a 2019 model and I really like the new model but I'm concern about the 4 cylinder being too weak for the size. Is it loud?
I am a CX5 owner and have absolutely loved it since the moment I got it! I am leaning towards the CX 90 and one important reason for me is that you can place two child safety seats in the third row because it has the proper tethering hooks on the back of the seat. The telluride has two hooks, but one of them is in the tiny center seat, making it impossible to place two full-size car seats right next to each other. My goal is to carry my grandchildren in the third row and still have room for other family members comfortably in the second row. I’m driving the CX 90 today and can’t wait! Thank you for this great review.
Yes, the Kia is less costly, but for me, I'd still choose the Mazda. RWD, turbo inline 6, and a luxury interior environment in both look, feel, and function help to understand some of the cost differences. Then there is the driving experience that erases any doubt which is the better. The 2023 Telluride's styling is less premium, IMHO, than the '22.
Both are very nice, but personally I would choose the Mazda. It just looks so upscale and high class. Mazda's been killing it! I really hope they put this engine and adjust the tuning to make a kick ass Mazda 6
You can have the extra inches of cabin space, oh my, Telluride touch screen( which is dangerous during driving,), three row back seat(maybe small children, very small). These are a part of the list that in no sensible mind out weighs the most important part of car ownership. The Dive! The Mazda has that in the bag. It's Japanese, which stands for reliability and great resale. Don't you care about gas, especially today's gas prices. Mazda beats the telluride there too, Even going quicker in the process. Who are these reviewers??? I'll tell you, there complete amateurs that know nothing. There simply biased opinions that get these reviewers free passes and lodging from Kia corp. That's all it is folks.
I agree with your assessment. I purchased a 2024 Telluride October 10, 2023 after only having the truck for 10 days the transmission went out. In the process of Kia purchasing the truck back. I should’ve gone with the Mazda in the first place.
It seems that Mazda focuses more on so-called enthusiasts (reviewers) than regular customers. 1) They don't provide real safety tech, claiming that the driver needs to drive the car. This is essential for regular customers who require safety features as standard , and only japanese not to offer them as standard. None of these reviewers really care about it , as all they drive is for an hour or 2 for a video . 2) The interiors are super claustrophobic. People need space and roomier cabins. 3) They make the steering harder, and these reviewers go gaga over how nice it is to have weight and feel. However, most people need a light and easier steering. 4) The light interiors are a favorite of these "enthusiasts," but its a nightmare for families, particularly those with kids. Finally, are they cheaper like a Subaru or Nissan? The answer is a loud NO !!!!
I suspect there won’t be much cross shopping between the two. The CX-90 seems to be more akin to the Acura MDX, the Turbo S as a discount Type S of sorts.
I suspect there won't be much cross-shopping because people won't see $9,000 worth of advantage to buy the Mazda. Even before this review got to price, the Kia was already 2 points ahead of the Mazda, and that was despite the Mazda's healthy power difference. Comparing the Mazda to the MDX is one of a few scenarios: 1) admission that the all-new Pilot is woefully unprepared to compete with the all-new CX-90, 2) downgrading the premium Acura brand to a competitor with mainstream Mazda, or 3) mainstream Mazda is punching above its weight class thinking they can bring a $50K vehicle to the premium segment where everything else (e.g. Lexus, Audi, Volvo, Acura, Cadillac, etc.) is actually a luxury brand. No other make is trying to sell their mainstream brand as a upscale brand. The last to try (VW in the early 00s) ended up with cars that everyday buyers found unnecessarily expensive, albeit more interesting, and they ended up dumbing-down their vehicles to today's mediocre Atlas or Tiguan.
@@doug6191 I definitely believe the CX-90 to be an Amati offering in an alternate universe. So comparisons with Acura/Infiniti /Cadillac/Volvo are more than logical in this context. The only downside is a ‘pedestrian’ marque. The Pilot as always will sell just fine in its current state no matter how short it may be on features vs CX-90/Telluride/Palisade, likely for the simple fact that it’s a Honda product. I’m a Honda/Acura buyer and have been for the last two decades. That said I like Mazda and hope they do well with this product.
The comments here are wild and many Kia haters too, lol. Kia have been kicking a$$ for couple of decades now, their numbers are facts. Kia sold three times more cars than Mazda in the States. OVERALL, Kia builds better cars, with better quality, better fit and finish, and most importantly, far lower pricing to consumers. A mazda for $61K, it's a robbery.
That's what I thought of because there are features of the CX-90 that wasn't mentioned like the driver's personalization that only Mazda has it in the mainstream brand or even some German brand hasn't.
Great video guys. 1 critic, the scores kind of need a weight measurement like you did with the price. Warranty means more to 99.9% of people than adaptive headlights, same goes for fuel economy. Thanks.
Good review albeit a little biased in my opinion . Love them both, but it’s Mazda for me! As for me I prefer the style & luxury of Mazda, where you two look much better in a Kia in my view. Lol. That’s is to say at this point in your life I don’t see you driving a CX-90. Different demographic I guess.🤷🏾♂️
One of these cars feels and drives like a high end German car, even at 10K less than the one you guys compared. One of them is a fake rugged looking grocery getter, for which dealers are brazenly ripping off every soccer mom they can for “market adjustments” way over MSRP. My local dealer has a 44K MSRP Telluride adjusted to 51K. And low 50K ones for almost 60. Anybody who buys one of these during this price gouging is nuts. Meanwhile, the same vehicle without the fake rugged sheet metal across the street at the Hyundai dealership in only gouging people a little bit. Mazda doesn’t allow dealers to sell for over MSRP. That’s the kind of company I would rather deal with. Really the only notable thing better about the Kia IMO is the warranty. And there’s no denying, if you keep a car a long time, that’s a very nice advantage. And with a Kia, you’re probably gonna need it. The real outstanding value in the Mazda is not at 60K. It’s when you keep it 46-50K. The 280 HP is still plenty of power and at that price point there’s nothing that can come close.
I agree with everything you said… except for Mazda not allowing cars to be sold for over MSRP. Every dealer in the Charlotte, NC area had at a minimum a $1,000.00 mark up. The other two dealers had $2000.00 and $3,000.00 mark ups respectively. Which is why I went to Vic Bailey Mazda in Spartanburg, NC and purchased my CX-90 PHEV for $1,000.00 below MSRP & the $500.00 military appreciation. That particular dealer doesn’t do mark ups.
Too many points for capacity and storage on the Kia. More subjective points as some people don’t care about the touch screen. I prefer objective metrics such a a smoother inline 6 engine vs the V6. I’m surprise you guys didn’t discuss the performance of the transmissions. The Mazda actually lost a point for having 21 each rims which most people would definitely rather have. I think the curb appeal of the new Mazda is hands down way better as well.
Beyond the hype of a new product... I've owned several Mazda through the years and was waiting for the CX-90 for the past three years. After test driving both cars myself over the weekend I can tell that as nice the Cx-90 looks, it is overpriced compared to what the Telluride, Palisade, Pilot and Pathfinder offer, with less features than the Koreans and much less space than any of these. Aside from the 6 cylinder engine, this SUV in base trim better compares to the Kia Sorento, and yet the Kia offers much more value... It now has a turbo 6 cylinder engine... Yet it offers the same power as the Koreans' inline 4 cylinder 2.5T. It has a larger information screen, yet it is limited to touchscreen while speed only. It now comes with a panoramic sunroof, yet it is the smallest one in the market. It now has third row vents, yet it blows air to your knees... It is much larger than the CX-9 it replaces, yet it's interior space is the same... Mazda needs to pick a lane as it doesn't compete within it's category , nor matches the BMW performance. Overpriced, even before the ridiculous dealer markups.
it actually is neck and neck with the x5 .. just shy as the x5 has better launch control and cx90 has none. Watch the drag race video. Also you will end up with less problems with the mazda experience and better resale value over the Koreans, that I can guarantee.
For the most part, this is a quantitative type of comparison: you have it, you don't have it, or you have more of it. This type of analysis has its place for sure. I just don't like the idea of giving the Telluride an extra 0.5 pt for every $1000 the CX-90 was more expensive. So what would be the Telluride's point total if you compared it to a Land Rover or an X7?
Feel free to ignore that value section at the end. The emphasis everyone puts on money will be different. We're just doing our best to adjust in a reasonable way.
@@CarConfections As one other mentioned. I think comparing the CX-90's Turbo Premium Plus trim (instead of the Turbo S Premium Plus trim) would be a bit more accurate. As the Premium Plus Is much closer in price and you have almost all of the features as the S Premium Plus (just a dip in horsepower/torque). But it's ~5-6k cheaper.
Japan > South Korea. The Mazda will outlast the Kia by years made in Japan still matters in 2023. The Kia is nice don’t get me wrong but how long will that nice last Kia looks like a big hunk of plastic and feels as such on the exterior. You get what you pay for.
@@CKY1942 I also at the time drive an 2022 Acura Mdx but plan to get a Mazda cx90 when the lease is up. Sounds like you have a Kia product and you like it which is good everyone has their own opinions on everything. My opinion is Mazda is a superior car maker then Kia by a long shot.
Telluride might be a good vehicle, but I am just not attracted to it. The front end is pedestrian looking, bland, just no style to it...and for those reasons it was not on my list when I was in the market three months ago. Number one on my list was the QX60, but I also did like the CX9 but I wanted a V6. I ended up with the MDX, although it wasn'tmy first choice. While not as luxury looking on the exterior, I fell in love with the cockpit sensation when I was behind the wheel of the MDX, a feeling I didn't get in the QX60. And the MDX had enough blend of sporty and attractive exterior that satisfied me. I also added a couple exterior accessories to it that elevated its exterior look. As of yet, I have not seen another MDX in my area that has these accessories on them. So for now, I fel unique. As for the CX90, it is too bubbly for my taste. It has a bloated look. Needs some more angles to truly make it special. It it had the front end of the CX9 it would be a winner. I love the CX9 with its stately appearance. I am always doing a double take when one drives by.
Yeah but nobody is buying Mazda 😂😂😂. Something is wrong with them. Stay away. Hyundai-Kia is world's 3rd largest automaker, challenging Toyota for #1. Buy what others are buying!
The Telluride is incredibly good, especially considering that it’s been on the market for a few years. A better match price-wise for the Telluride is the CX-90 Premium Plus, which comes in at about $54k. But the margin of victory would have been even greater for the Telluride. Phenomenal job by Kia! The Kia advantage that matters to me is the seat comfort. The thigh extenders, a major Mazda omission, make a huge difference, especially on long drives. At the end of the day, though, I would go with the Mazda because it looks more special. In typical Kia/Hyundai fashion, the refresh has made the Telluride less attractive. Those amber DRLs were so emblematic of the SX, but Kia got rid of them. The previous SX wheels also looked better, even though I am not a fan of black wheels. Finally, the steering wheel of the Telluride is a big deterrent for me. I still have not gotten used to its design. So, as great as the Telluride is, my choice is the CX-90.
You're 100% right. I have the thigh extenders on my 2019 Kia Sorento SX and I never really thought much of them until I tried them. Now I won't buy another vehicle that doesn't have them.
I agree, the steering wheel on Telluride is vague and not communicative. Kia vehicles I drove in the past had better steering and subsequently felt lot more sportive. For me, that numb steering in telluride kills the advantage in smartly utilized interior space on a telluride.
Kia has more to offer than Mazda: 10Y warranty, stylish look, more cargo, 3 seats on the third row compared to 2 seats in Mazda, more legroom in the 2nd and 3rd row compared to Mazda, touch enabled-screen which the Mazda doesn't offer, and you pay 10K cheaper the price for Telluride.
My Telluride of choice is the SX Prestige X-Line. Mazda offers so many powertrain options that this top trim higher performance CX-90 is hard to beat though. I'm curious to see how the lower trim 280hp CX-90 motor competes vs the Telluride's 3.8 V6.
I love the comparison videos you create. This comparison was really fun for me (I'm in the hunt to replace my 2022 Limited Tucson Hybrid with a 3-row). Although a long way out, I've deposited $500 with my local Toyota dealer to get my name on their list for a Grand Highlander. My heart is passionate about the CX-90 but pricing and smaller cargo space (will use as a work vehcle) keeps me engaged to the Grand. I expect the Grand to have a mpg rating in the low 30s and pricing to be comparable (?).
The CX 90 still has 332 pound feet of torque at 280 HP. It’s very quick. Compared to a dated old naturally aspirated V6 that makes, what, 260 pound feet? Not even close. And then there’s the gas mileage. Again, not close. You’re gonna struggle to get 20 mpg combined with the Kia. It’s a mid size gas guzzler. My 2016 Highlander Limited with the V6 does better than that.
Great videos. Could you also include highway/city assist features in your comparisons and reviews. I feel like your reviews are more comparable between vesicles, but would like to know more about some features and their usability. ie lane keeping if it actually good or too late to respond/if it centers well in the lane or not, ACC - adaptability on how aggressive or comfortable it is at following cars, if it smoothly breaks or is jerky and brakes too late, lane change assist, etc