Toggle Abilities - Why They're Disappearing | League of Legends 

Wish it was still like this cause shit's just annoying now

The good old days

I played league for years and the toggle I miss the most is Warwick's old bloodscent. It was similar to the new one but being able to turn it off sometimes made it easier to ambush people. Example: Most of the time I played league I played ARAMs. I played them before they had their own dedicated map! When they added the Howling Abyss one of the biggest differences to the custom aram lobbies was the addition of bushes in lanes. People knew the enemy was probably in the bush but sometimes you could get in there without anyone noticing and turn off Warwick's bloodscent. Then you could hide and ult out onto someone near death and get the kill or (if you were tanky) maybe ult out onto the carry or whoever to start a teamfight. New Warwick's bloodscent has a nice psychological terror to it but I do miss being able to turn it off for the sneaky plays.

Frozen Mallet Ashe support.

@@darkwatershadow Old WW bloodscent had a max range, which was why you could turn it off since if it was always on you'd know where WW was at all times. Current WW bloodscent DOES NOT have a max range.

yep same. Boop :'(

I wish they would have given him a version of the stars as his q instead of the voice bit. have them come out when he uses q and only stay out while its on. I think they really took one of the most unique champions in the game and made him feel like just another mage. Yes he is easier to understand and play, and yes he is actually probably healthier for the community now. However he just feels like any other mage now his game play is just about scaling to the point where you are an unkillable game ending monster where as before his kit had so much skill expression, a good Asol could win you a game in 20 minutes by taking over the whole map and always being at optimal damage range in fights while dodging skill shots. He was so fun and unique to play, now he just sits somewhere next to veigar and victor in the competition for best mage dps for the meta.

I don't honestly. I love playing the new one.

I am tired of people saying this. You didn't even played him

@@metalllich3493 I PLAYED HIM UNTIL THEY REMOVED THE W TOGGLE

not only that i think the swain model just looked great even if u compare it to today

True, but it felt crazy to play against ngl

Imagine if Sion's passive toggled anytime you use an ability and could only be toggled off by dying, triggering his passive once more. I can taste the blood...

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeelmq​@@yarakhan9306

Don't forget hwei, he'll still he frequently OOM even after tear and manaflow band are fully stacked

At this point they could just remove the mana bar and call it a day. The fact that some champions have the privilege of not having mana costs is so tilting to me.

​@@hirvo6899 Orianna and Hwei are very mana hungry, luckily by the point you reach late game when you're running oom you get global blue buff

Skill issue ​@@davidepicchiotti9989

[Cries while being ganked by Yone, Yasuo, Zed, Akali...]

Yeah. I've been an Anivia main for twelve years and where to place the storm for minimal danger to you over maximum danger to the enemies is the hardest part of playing her to me (I tend to play too aggressively because of my experience, admittedly), which seems to not be a sentiment that people with less time on her understand in my experience, probably because it takes mastering the Q and wall to see how the storm makes you a danger to yourself even if you know how to use it well. I notice a trend with some champions being a slightly different version of others (examples would be Poppy+Skarner and Xayah+Kalista) and old Aurelion Sol was definitely Anivia's counterpart just for that. Put the storm a 'safe' distance away from yourself and it zones people straight into your face like AS's W stars did. It's a shame she's not very popular because she requires a slightly unusual way of thinking to play well. I've been scared for years that she's going on the chopping block for a rework too because of it, if nothing else because 'cerebral' champions are going out of style, but let's hope not---They're all charming to have!

@@Veldrusara I think she's quite an effective battle mage, similar to the likes of Ryze and Brand - which is from my experience is a dying archetype as they're much more difficult than juggernauts/slayers (skillshots and spacing) while sacrificing range (marksman), in-combat sustain (lifesteal, practically every slayer now) and most importantly mobility. If anything, they should buff Anivia's W and make it so that her gameplay revolves around making terrain and cornering - already what she's doing, but more specific and better.

@@hqhuy931 I'm curious what kind of buff to the W you'd suggest. I would say that her gameplay already revolves completely around the W, since it blocks off all routes of approach or escape except the ones you want so that you can narrow down where you'll be throwing the Q to. I think they experimented with the idea of being able to draw the wall on the floor (I don't think the idea got past their imagination though) a very long time ago, and that was about as fancy as they could think to make it without modifying the rest of her skills to play around it which wouldn't be good. They'll never buff it but I wonder what you have in mind. It synergizes so well with Qiana, Skarner, Poppy, Vayne, Akshan and Trundle in a huge way that adding any more to it knowing that potential would require them swinging the nerf bat at up to everything else. But! Daydreaming is fun!

@@Veldrusara I am kind of imagining the wall be formed slightly differently where it slightly shoves in one direction when you put it down (towards anivia default maybe) or slightly curve to make it harder to get out of the wall trap - minor adjustments but makes her much better to play

​@@Veldrusara Feels like her w sould get some sort of anti-jump mechanic sometimes. Of course, riot is incapable of coding something like old azir r, but if her w created an anti-jump area like slSinged it'd be so cool(and broken as shit).

Ill 100% watch and sub to this channel if he makes one xD

You know what? That actually sounds like a good idea :o

​@@VarsVerum yeah like how lux's Q roots everyone she hits or how vayne's W has an active please please please talk about all of them in a video ❤

@@ReflinWulf Or how Diana's ult isn't instantaneous, felt so much whiplash playing League Diana after using Wilf Rift Diana for over a year.

@@VarsVerum Did you say "Amumu and karthus project an aura that damages every BADDIE within range" Seriously, Did you just say baddie.

Average Karthus player is just R and E abuser, nothing else. Some actually can pilot the champ and those are usually more agressive players that love to invade and duel but those are rare. It's shit design if a skillshot on a supposedly skillshot champ is just luxury.

@@lunacy5510 I can taste the salt from here

For Singed, there’s also a toggle bug where if you cast another ability at the same time it doesn’t turn on and you either realize it’s off too late or forgot.

It would still have the same problem. Turn on when fighting, turn off when not, very braindead ability.

It's what it dues not hell slot of mundos don't even use it

if he takes dmg with it on, he'd never have it on

Heres an idea He deals damage around him (and himself) and gains tenacity like the old one, but after 3 seconds he applies grievous wounds to himself until he turns it off. That would incentivize using it sparingly at the right moments. Maybe you can even do something like, he loses 5% healing and shielding power for every second its up, until it's turned off

He used to lol​@@stonecat676

the ultimate getting them to W range was really interesting i didn't main him or anything but do like playing mages from time to time

Asol was pretty much removed from the game. What we have now is not asol, but a different champion entirely. At least champions like fiddle and Evelynen kept a resemblance in their rework. Asol’s only resemblance to his old self is his ability to fly through walls. Which 30% of the roster can already do.

The reason could be anything, but in theory it does make sense to make something that you have no reason to turn off a passive, but they kinda have a habit to turn skills into passives what the character looks like Ash's arrow seems to be always on ice but why doesn't it slow? Graves weapon is a shotgun but it's now always a pellet round? I've seen better "Ashe's" in other mobas, like Garo in Heroes/Honor(name depends on region) of Kings, HoK also has a better graves named Liu Bei. They also have a better more fluid Morde named Hai Yue just look up "New Legendary Skin Hai Yue" Now I may look like a League hater but u know I used to love League, when they make good decisions like Arena or URF it's temporary, but when they made bad decisions like removed chest from BP and removed all rerolls -- it's permanent. Like most if not all of their employees, we need to move on.

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old sion & aatrox be like

@@CarmenLC except has no access to lifesteal, he has to exit combat to use his self-heal so its less of a stance swap like old Aatrox

Yessir

I’ve always found that Dota operates on if everyone is broken no one is mentality. After all can you imagine a league champ with a global teleport as a basic ability.

@@Sir_L.Wallace Whoever designed release Twisted Fate apparently could.

@@Lodit24 Look into Nature's Prophet and Rat Strats guy can global teleport every 20ish seconds and builds boots that let him TP to minions and he just bounces back and forth across the map spawning mini Ents that are as tanky as canon minions. Easy top ten ways to make the enemy tilt.

​@@Sir_L.Wallaceyou forgot one thing. Counter pick and counter item exists in DOTA 2. These do exist in League like Serpent Fang or Quick Silversash. But in DOTA 2, every items serve as a buff to oneself, whole team (aura) or a counter against certain match up. This applies to heroes as well

Vayne has smth like that in wild rift, so does tf, unironically. Not toggles but passives

Well Sivir and Cho'Gath greatly benefit from the change, with the added the Autoattack reset on activation. You can see reworked toggle abilities have been split into two groups: Passive vs Active. Passive abilities like Sion and Ashe were so powerful, you had no reason to toggle off except for cost, so they removed the cost and lowered the power. Then abilities like Sivir, Cho'Gath, Mundo, Udyr were contextually strong, but still weak in general, so they focused the power into immediate activation. Reworking in "Opportunity cost" that OP mentioned.

I think they changed it in their big marksman update, where Graves was turned into a semi melee and Kog'Maw would have double attack speed during W.

@@Kuptain it was before that, closer to the Soraka update

would be nice to have aghanims scepter and shard equivalent

Zoe who can use hers in every ability

Udyr doesn't have ult, he has 4 basic abilities. But they updated his code a few patches ago and now Ultimate Ability Haste works on his passive, and using awaken abilities proc items that proc on ults. (Malignance works only on Q and R)

It wad just examples mate

@@JackDaniels-ct5wz the whole video was examples mate, and?

​@@sponjikthe point being that it is not a list of ALL the abilities