Actually, nice Old Lady's GOSSIPING UP A STORM on their Apartment Building Stoops. Drinking Small Asahis, Sapporos, & Sojus. WILL BE THE ONE'S TO PUSH BACK THE MOST ! They will absolutely VILLIFY ANY COP who attempts to Ticket, Fine, or Scold them !...Local Tokyo LDP will likely get Classist and insult said Old Ladies & Retirees and further screw up !
The "Shibuya Meltdown" may still indeed happen; the ban is on 'drinking in public' not 'being drunk in public' - so there is still plenty of opportunities to meet people who are already "gassed up" as it were. Especially if they are slamming down beers to keep from getting their drinks confiscated.
just drink in a pub. most countries dont allow public drinking. whats the difference between drinking outside and drinking in pub. i agree with this. because now we wont have so many drunken idiots in the street
@@gamer4ever838 The difference is that it costs ten times more and you're in a stuffy room having to wait for the waitress, etc. Sitting in a beautiful park with great weather is just better in every way. They have loads of spotless public toilets everywhere in Tokyo as well. The drunken idiots or sleeping people won't magically vanish either...
Yeah go inside your hotel room. get drunk. then go outside and wander around. This is what all the broke tourists will do. Other people with actual lives and arent broke while on vacation will just do what everyone else does. want to interact with people drinking? Go to a bar.
@@gamer4ever838 in perth, australia, bars are about 2-6x more expensive for most types of drinks, especially spirits, vs buying at a bottle shop. but buying drinks in a bottle shop is already about 3x more expensive than american or european countries with comparable income due to the taxes and import fees. the end result is that a 30mL shot of spirits costs ~AU$10 which is about $6 USD. 1L bottle (33x 30 mL serves) is usually AU$50-70 ($33 - $45 USD). you are paying >6x more to drink in a bar. I looked it up and in some US states you can get an entire bottle of vodka for the price of 1 shot of the stuff in a bar in Australia. It might even be more expensive in the eastern states than perth, and dont get me started on airports (2x price of bars. - I looked it up, one spot in perth airport is doing stein mugs of tap beers for ~AU$30 ≈ $20 USD for 1 GLASS.) most normal people who dont spend wildly would limit themselves if they know they have to drink in a bar simply because of the cost. thats probably what the law is going for.
@@DerRabenbarde I get that, but this is just the way the government is going about addressing the issue in the first place. I mean, if you have a suggestion that could result in a win-win for all parties involved then go for it man. They go for an approach like this because being nuanced and pedantic about a place as a big as Shibuya would require too much manpower, funding, coordination and all that jazz to be efficient and effective with it. Might as well just ban it altogether for the time being
Sydney guy here with a fridge full of Asahi and burst out laughing when you mentioned Aussie's drinking from like 10am and my eyes darted to my windows clock and it literally clicked over to 10am. Beer'o'clock has just started.
It's fine to drink at home in Japan. The problem arises when people seek loopholes in the law to cause trouble in public places. Joey seems to be encouraging this behavior.
@@DaftRaincloud Your thinking is completely mistaken. You've been brainwashed by Joey's biased videos, haven't you? The measures taken by Shibuya this time are experimental. However, if there are many people looking for loopholes in the law, this regulation could be expanded nationwide in Japan, and restrictions on foreign entry could become stricter.
@@theshadowman1398 Sadly doesn't work that way Japans local police commonly target people that look like Joey This puts biracial, and mixed japanese citizens at more risk then they are already placed in Japan isn't so fortuanate to be as centered in that manner like in the US
Poland did that maybe around 10 years ago and didn't change anything. There stil lare drunk people walking around and making noise, they only get drunk in bars, pubs and clubs.
With police being reactive to foreign looking citizens this is sure to isolate them more from society despite being natural biracial or mixed raced japanese citizens
“If there is a rule most Japanese people will follow it” except when talking about traffic laws, both for bicycles and cars, mostly I just see them ignoring it, especially outside of the main centers 🙄
@@longiusaescius2537 How about places like the suburbs and smaller cities. My city is 2 hours outside of Tokyo by train, and people CANNOT drive here. I watched a person literally crash into the median and then drive off in their busted car.
@@Hugo-pj4bm arterial roads should have a single one way car lane, tram lanes on both sides one contraflow, 7ft wide bike lanes one way on each side then 15ft wide or more sidewalks. Most people should use walking and railway tram & subway instead of bikes or car
You literally have to conceal or put your alcohol in paper bags to drink alcohol. I'm not surprised but recreational drinking bans are pretty common around the world.
Banning drinking to a legal hardworking adult in public is mearly a distraction that puts responsability on the wrong people. Their authority should have reformed, not their people If like in europe Japan encourages paper bag usage- the local police (as joey has stated) would disproportionally target biracial, mixed, or ("""foreign looking""") Japanese citizens it's a holistic issue Which is why it's hard to explain with little words or without getting off topic and recentering But sadly it would feed into the discrimination natural japanese citizens experience- isolating them if it's further implemented nationally
@@tapper9151 People still drink through loopholes For example in Europe people use paper bags In Japan though, the police are reactive over proactive so if the paper bag method were to implemented, as Joey stated before- the police disproportionally go up to ""foreign""-looking individuals such as himself This puts bi-racial, mixed race, or ""foreign"" naturalized Japanese citizens into another precarious situation They already get their transportation passes and IDs checked disproportionally as well It sacrifices the ease of life for the citizens instead of placing the responsibility on the local authority
I'm from the US and when I was in Japan, I drank when I felt like it..with my jet lag I'd wake up at 2am and went to the closest Torikizoku to drink and eat. I never really drank in Shibuya but I'd get smashed at Yoyogi Park in Shinjuku from Jim Beam highballs and then hit up my favorite pizza spot "Lads Dining". I was by myself and tried to be mindful of others and not act out, but it also lead me into lots of friendships by drinking at random times in the day.
Banning nighttime alcohol sales in Germany reduced simple assault and aggravated assault by more than 8%, alcohol-related hospitalizations among adolescents and young adults by about seven percent, car accidents by 20%.
Didn't the japanese government say in recent year young people aren't drinking enough. Governments love to have this fine control over people. Similar to how in Calgary Canada the mayor told everyone to drink beer to conserve water (this is not an exaggeration, she said this....... they are going through a 5-6 week water shortage)
@@MizuShinobi303this is likely the case. In reality the majority of people drinking late night on the street are Japanese and they too are littering and making a mess in general. Tourist are largely there to go to bars, restaurants and clubs because they have money to spend. Japans economy is not doing well so many of their youth can drink for much cheaper on the street. The Japanese govt even encouraged the youth to drink more just a couple of years ago to boost the economy lol
Drinking in public in Japan really sucks. I had a drunk old man literally throw his full strong zero can at me for no reason. And all the drunk people in public make places feel unsafe. I support the ban. Drinking in public is the worst part of Tokyo. So glad I moved away from the nightlife to small town kyushu.
I go to Shibuya most weekends and over the last few weeks I’ve noticed lots of cops and security guards walking around with megaphones yelling at people who are drinking on the sidewalk
I believe they assume that people drinking outside leads to drunk behavior outside which is false because people cna still get shitfaced inside, and then go have a "meltdown" outside.
and if anything, people who like to get wild or just lose their shit more easily when drinking if anything- would avoid the streets and stay behind closed doors because out on the streets, especially in japan, the police will quickly be called on you if you're giving anyone trouble, but in bars and such, you're more likely to be tolerated.
Yea I see a lot of comments saying this is a good thing and will increase public order lol it won't really. This is just to make people drink in bars and spend more money which is more money for public officals tax revenue.
Correct sir, thats how it is pretty much everywhere. People get shitfsced inside and go ham in the street afterwards. This law will not change a damn thing, except for maybe loitering.
Many countries like for example Lithuania in EU have complete public drinking bans - that is one can only drink at home or bars-restaurants. It isn't especially outrageous or anything and keeps public order.
Not when it's engrained into society and they are the country that made a word for passing from overworking Do they want their public to keep finding reasons to not find it all worth it? All they're gonna do is make it sneakier to do but it's not addressing the actual issue which has been the trend in Japan for years
@@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138 Lithuania is probably top5 in the world in alcohol consumption and public drinking is still banned. Japan merely adopted the alcohol, Lithuania was born in it.
@@Rainnnny And? Japan founded the word for overwork and ie. It's no competition about drinking- this is about citizens finding a reason for the next day after their hardwork The fault shouln't be placed on their citizens, this should've been the local authorities better initiative, not another burden for their locals
@@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138 Ever heard of whataboutism? The fact that it's already a regulation in quite a lot of first world countries, and nation-wide there on top of that, means there's a lot of data to go by. Meanwhile, this time it's just a regulation for a very small area in Shibuya, yet people are acting like their own freedoms are being taken away, even though many people here aren't even personally affected by it since this is a channel for an international audience.
By the time when I will be visiting Japan, all the "tradicional" and "hot stuff" will be banned for tourists and the worst part for the japonese people themselves...🤦♂️
It makes perfect sense. Look up ANN news clip 渋谷の路上飲み実態 about 路上飲酒 and you see there's just loads of foriengers treating Shibuya like a trash bin leaving empty cans on the street and making a lot of noise. It doesn't even feel like Japan... They can go and drink inside and be civil. Japan is not a place for those type of personalities, if they want to drink and make 騒ぎ on the streets they can go to Ibiza or something.
one thing that can help is to require a VISA for USA citizens traveling to Japan. That'll weed out some of the more trashy tourists. Right now anyone w/ a US passport can enter Japan for 90 days. Not sure how it works for UK and Australia.
Idk I seen a lot of news of people vandalizing and doing weird things to structures with importance as of recently. People have gone crazy to have number go bigger online.
In America some cities have "entertainment districts" where you can walk around with a beer or drink from the local places or during festivals. It's to encourage visiting these multiple local businesses. It's usually not a particularly large area from the ones I've seen.
This makes perfect since in my opinion. I don’t know why you would want or allow people to drink outside of an establishment or home. Drunk people are usually hazardous to themselves and those around them. Especially in social areas alcohol consumption should be monitored by bartenders and those responsible for selling/serving alcohol. As where people buying alcohol from stores don’t have restrictions on when where or how much they drink, WHICH IS DANGEROUSLY STUPID. So yes these people should be limited to only being able to consume inside of their homes or social establishments that allow drinking.
California. It’s illegal to drink in “public”. You can’t have an open container of alcohol. $1,000 fine. State park campgrounds are ok to drink if you stay overnight.
In my country, a lot of cities passed public drinking ban ordinances. These ordinances are rarely applied and even then only on rowdy tourists. The locals and the police (who are also likely locals) know all the culturally acceptable ways of drinking in public and those get ignored. I presume similar will happen in Shibuya where the police is going to ignore two grandpas sitting on a bench in the park sipping beer. As for why only in Shibuya, well the Shibuya Ward Assembly only has jurisdiction over the Shibuya Ward. Tokyo has devolved almost all rule to its wards so I'm not sure if the Metropolitan Government can even do anything regarding drinking in public.
You are effectively saying "Public drinking leads to more child birth." Seriously? You can probably count the number of Love Hotels in all of Shibuya on one hand. These people wouldn't be able to afford hotels if they can't afford a seat at a bar. Does the sex have to be public too? And are these the ideal people and the ideal circumstances for a child's conception?
@@DGen7 Japanese citizens are finding less of a reason to be alive and present and their population is showing that Banning drinking to a legal hardworking adult in public is mearly a distraction that puts responsability on the wrong people. Their authority should have reformed, not their people If like in europe it encourages paper bag usage- the local police (as joey has stated) would disproportionally target biracial, mixed, or ("""foreign looking""") Japanese citizens it's a holistic issue Which is why it's hard to explain with little words
I'm from a country of raging alcoholics where public drinking is illegal all year round 24/7 [aka you cannot have an open beer outside a private residence or licensed establishment] and there is a boatload of alcohol [and testosterone] related violence in the streets even with nobody physically drinking outside. I don't know who thought this was a good idea, but they need to do more research especially case studies. Though strangely most of the violence or accidents happen between 12am-2am [when most establishments legally need to stop selling alcohol] - in both "areas for working adults"m tourists areas & university areas. [our legal drinking age ahs been 18 for the past 30 years, before that it was 21].
Ngl, this law feels like a bandaid solution. Like, yeah, tourists are there for a good time, and when alcohol is involved (especially if alcohol is cheaper and more readily available than it is in their home country), they can get pretty rowdy so it makes sense to try and mitigate that to less busy/crowded areas to minimise the potential damage and public disruptions caused (though the fact there's no penalty isn't going to do much). But as someone who has lived and worked in Japan, there is a wider problem with the drinking of culture of Japan if they really wanted to address public drunkenness (including the "Shibuya meltdown" phenomenon), perhaps they should start with the work culture and the expectation that workers do an abundance of unpaid overtime, with a poor work-life balance often leading to mental health problems that can contribute to addictions like alcoholism; something which could be achieved through increased amounts of paid leave, tighter laws requiring paid overtime and harsher penalties on companies for breaking those laws. They could also start working to destigmatise mental health and make treatments more accessible so that people aren't turning to alcohol and other addictions to cope (additionally making rehabilitation treatments more accessible for those who are dealing with these addictions). They could also address the mandatory drinking sessions that workers are expected to have with their bosses on a regular basis which can be mitigated through stronger laws protecting workers against unfair dismissals, so there's less fear of repercussions for saying no to these drinking nights. Another commenter mentioned pulling alcoholic vending machines in Japan; while many of them were pulled from the Olympics, these vending machines still exist, so putting a ban on them which will decrease the accessibility of alcohol in public spaces for both locals and tourists. You could also stop konbini's from selling alcohol in these areas so that people drinking will be limited to licensed bars and restaurants, which will also help surrounding businesses. If they really wanted to, they could also advise businesses to cut people off after a certain number of drinks in order to mitigate excessive alcohol consumption. I know Japan is very resistant to any kind of structural change, but I feel like these kinds of solutions would be so much more effective than just simply slapping people on the wrist for drinking on the street within relatively small area of commercial ward that is literally known for its nightlife.
I agree, thank you for informing us Though I appreciate the extreme content of information- i know others are quick to avoid reading it due to the length You having anecdotal evidence being a previously living in Japan individual should give them more reason to heed your concerns- though i cannot say they would unless it were to be more consice I also hope Japan will reform wisely for their work environment- it really would help their economy
I mean, tbh its very hit and miss in the uk but many major cities have areas where street drinking is banned and carries a fine if you’re caught. Overall though there’s no national legislation banning it, its down to individual local authorities and occasionally municipal transport groups. For instance you can drink alcohol on most trains in the uk but its prohibited on trams in Nottingham and on services provided by transport for london
Kind of reminds me of how they limited alcohol content of beer here for the longest time. Therefore making alcohol drinkers merely more broke to achieve the same amount of drunk and more fat from the empty calories. How did that make anything better for anyone? Even the beer companies weren't having it because then they have to process the beer further to drop the alcohol adding further cost and labor. Prohibitive measures never help solve drug and alcohol related problems and often just create new ones. We already have history to tell us how this works.
I'm sure the public order will deteriorate. Shibuya used to be a student town, but now it's full of foreigners like Roppongi before. Roppongi used to be the number one illegal drug town in Japan, but now Shibuya has become the worst illegal drug town. nuts.
Roppongi has been successfully cleaned up through the efforts of residents. Now, Shibuya feels like it's not even in Japan. It's become a place even Japanese people try to avoid if possible. This is a test case to observe the situation, and if it doesn't improve, stricter laws will likely evolve.
@@mk_gamíng0609 What is your basis for saying 99%? While I won't deny that most incidents involve Japanese people, it's a fact that safety has deteriorated, especially in recent years. One contributing factor is tourists who have learned they can drink on the streets. Comparing Shibuya from a few years ago to now makes this obvious. I've seen it firsthand-have you actually checked for yourself?
I'm guessing from what they are trying to accomplish is that they don't want what tends to happen when people are allowed to drink "in public". As a country that has a community that tends to take a lot of pride in their communities they probably don't like the mess (trash and people) that are needed to be cleaned up when people drink in public. When you are in an establishment you are likely to have far less issues with people making trouble in the community as they will do their drinking and then mostly just go home directly after. It makes plenty of sense to realize that people who are drunk in public aren't in the right mindset to keep up community standards, this means they need to impose on others to take care of them and their messes. Honestly, maybe don't just sit in the middle of the sidewalk or wander around with a group of friends getting drunk in public. Go to someone's house, go camping, etc. (and maybe have a designated sober person to clean up for the group), but don't make yourself a nuisance for others. Coming from having lived in the States all my life, this attitude just ends up making even more of a mess than you already have to deal with. As far as tourism goes, if you are spending your entire time getting wasted when you visit another country... just stay home and do that. If you want to enjoy another country/culture don't treat their communities like you are going to Disney World where you can act up and someone else will clean up after you. You should be on your best behavior when going to another country not your drunkest.
Uh, is it not illegal to drink out in public in a lot of countries? I know its a stupid law. Since you can buy and drink unlimited amount of alcohol if you are outside on private property.
I recommend researching why it's illegal in many countries but permitted in Japan. It sheds light on a unique aspect of Japanese culture. Unfortunately, Joey seems to lack that knowledge.
If it was getting to the stage that alcohol was causing a massive problem in Shibuya, making weed legal or at the very least decriminalised would’ve been a great option. But unfortunately the 1980s attitudes to drugs still remains.
That's not gonna stop it dude You're suppose to go drink with your boss- its engrained in their culture that there will be drunk people on the streets, not they're just gonna be sneakier about it and it's not illegal to be drunk in public
I mean honestly, I think like there won't be less drunk people on the street (the people will still get drunk), they just won't get drunk while being out on the street I think this ban will do little, but I also think it is not a big deal as a lot of places ban drinking in public, or drinking outside of restaurants areas (yk if you can sit outside and stuff) So imo not a big deal and it will just make it so that establishments will make more money when people go drinking inside lol
Japanese salary man lying in their puke on some streets during evenings and nights is honestly so bad that majority of Japanese think something should be done about it.
Exactly, people who get so drunk that they can't walk properly shouldn't be drinking in the first place. It's incredibly annoying when they start fights on the streets or behave in other disruptive ways. This is my personal opinion as a Japanese person.
@@gotakazawa408 Well this law isn't going to target that issue It's gonna target tourists, biracial, and mixed individuals disproportionally due to local police culture They aren't stopping not minimizing drinking, they are stigmatizing the bottles; They aren't stigmatizing the beverage There are bars and alcoholic vending machines they could have regulated, yet they chose the adult common spaces at their sacrifice That's what i'm trying to say If the paper bag method were to work then Joey shouldn't be disproportionally targeted for the same action
in the istanbul, governorship banned alcohol in street parks beaches, etc. (outside except indoors that allowed to sell alcohol and home) they say there is a penalty, but they are not allowed to do this. They can't say to the police that they want to put penalties to the people that drink alcohol, constitution doesn't allow this. So where drinking is popular people will drink but except that not too much people drinks alcohol outside in turkey but if they want they can. Example they put some rules with penalties because of covid, police gave penalties to the people that does not want to wear mask etc. But 2 years later they refunded all penalties because they didn't allowed to put rules with penalties like this they needed to put this rules via parliament but they didn't.
The issue with this ban is that it's distracting us from legislature paying mind to the wrong issue- they're also putting the responsability on their citizen while their local authority aren't spending their working hours effectively Japan isn't Europe- a lot of things point to that. Explaining them all is unvieling Japans specific type of corruption
My apologize I have the right words for my concerns now "Japanese citizens are finding less of a reason to be alive and present and their population is showing that Banning drinking to a legal hardworking adult in public is mearly a distraction that puts responsability on the wrong people. Their authority should have reformed, not their people If like in europe it encourages paper bag usage- the local police (as joey has stated) would disproportionally target biracial, mixed, or ("""foreign looking""") Japanese citizens it's a holistic issue Which is why it's hard to explain with little words"
@@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138 Thank you for the clarified explaination. You are right, Japan isn't Europe and as such the ban might have negative effects not often seen here.
Literally. In the US alcohol isn’t in 7/11’s you have to go to a liquor store! And depending where you are it can be pretty out of your way. It’s as easy to get sake in Japan as it is coffee lol
@@mario98730 USA and sweden are probably the only countries that have these liquor stores, why cant you just buy booze at the supermarket or convenient stores on the go...
@@Jellyfish60 Sweden's liquor stores are a government monopoly though (literally speaking, the store brand is owned by the Swedish government and is the only liquor store allowed in Sweden), so grouping the liquor stores in the US to the liquor stores in Sweden isn't really correct per se. They're two very different systems.
The law here in the Netherlands is confusing. National law leaves it to municipalities, which can decide that if and where they allow it. Some places may be very strict, and some not at all.
7:52 I think that s exactly why, they do not want to hurt Japanese people imho but they want to have a say whenever TOURISTS misbehave, NOW they will have a bigger range to actually have the pretext and do something I guess. whenever another r cist f er appears. and there is also the offset of Japanese people being less rowdy, cu zthey follow the rules anyway. ( not like they were rowdy probably )
Prohibition never works. I don't drink anymore myself, but have fun trying to tell people who are already drunk to do something they don't want to do. People will still be able to go to the bars, drink, and then leave drunk, and I suspect that those are the people who will be drinking outside afterwards
Just been drinking in the red area last week and a cop came up to us and just told us to be careful after drinking alcohol. Didn’t know it was not allowed to drink there. We as well drank in front of the Shibuya station police booth and they didn’t mind. But also we ve been chill and relaxed, so that might been a thing for them as well.
It might have been a blessing in disguise. Imagine if things got out of hand and turned into a fight. They could end up spending their valuable hotel stay in a Japanese detention center.
Yes, it's quite a child-like interpretation to assume alcohol means you lose control of yourself or that adults can't self regulate There are ranges of alcohol from sake beers, heavy-heavy liquors Banning drinking in public to a legal hardworking adult puts responsability on the wrong people. Their authority should have reformed, not their people With the lack of incentives for adults to persist, removing a common space isn't very helpful If like in europe it encourages paper bag usage- the local police (as joey has stated) would disproportionally target biracial, mixed, or ("""foreign looking""") Japanese citizens which is the main issue of this law being implemented it's a holistic issue Which is why it's hard to explain with little words or without explaining other parts of their culture
It's way less annoying or disgusting than expecting everyone else to modify their behaviour to make you comfortable. Sorry but the rest of us aren't just minor characters in the movie of your life.
@@tcrime Name one negative side of banning drinking alcohol. Just one. I have had Jin, Vodka, Beers, Wine I just cannot wrap my head around the desire for drinking alcohol. Which is the deadliest of all psychostimulant consumption primarily on the basis of how common its consumption is. And in your argument, you were not able to name 1 logical/rational argument besides "i am an adult I do what I want" good for you mate.
Honestly, I prefer if people didn't drink in public. And by that, outside a bar/restaurant. It upsets me so much to see VVDVV selling beer in the parks. It's a park designed for kids. Kids don't need to see people chugging their possibly 20th beer. I long since stopped going because of that (among other things). Not to mention the littering. Had I not been vvearing tennis shoes vvhile vvalking dovvn the sidevvalk in my tovvn, I'd have glass in my feet. I still remember stores not selling alcohol after a certain time or day.
I live in Switzerland and I find this strange cause our countries are usually similar in how regulated they are. Its very simple what you have to do, penalize people if they are loud or causing disorder. In Swiss u can go straight to jail if you are too loud after a certain hour, its kind of like a noise law. Further, for loitering you get fined from 150 to 300 CHF. The difference is probably that Swiss will report you if they see you do shit like this. Probably the Japanese people wont cause they are inherently argument avoiders. So in that case more law enforcement officers are needed to check the area in later hours. That simple. There is no other way to keep order but by first establishing a strict environment by law.
Shibuya is the only one for now, but if things get worse, it'll spread to all of Tokyo. Shibuya is seriously chaotic-trash is scattered everywhere after people drink, and some even sleep on the streets. It's no wonder this is happening with tourists getting out of hand.
Before that, it would be quicker to regulate foreign tourists. It would be a waste of taxpayer money and restrict the actions of law-abiding Japanese people to spread and strengthen enforcement throughout Tokyo and across Japan. Foreign tourists are not bringing in an equivalent amount of money to Japan.
one thing that can help is to require a VISA for USA citizens traveling to Japan. That'll weed out some of the more trashy tourists. Right now anyone w/ a US passport can enter Japan for 90 days. Not sure how it works for UK and Australia.
Not everyone drinks or drinks to the excess that some people do and it’s disconcerting to have people actively drinking in public and being a nuisance. And the latter isn’t even stopped by this as you can drink to excess inside and then still end up outside being annoying.
This is an L take Joey, whether this new law works or not depends solely on enforcement, give enough tickets and people will know the government means business and wont fuck around to find out, also if you want tourist to follow the law then the Japanese need to take the lead because lets be honest, 9 out of 10 times when a tourist isn’t sure if he/she is allowed to do something, they look around and see if the locals do it or not.
I don't think you understand the political courruption in thier authority systems This is yet just an other right taken away from Japanese adult workers that really have been asking the question "what's it all for? cant have fun"
"That initial ban came in response to the increasing violence and vandalism on and around Halloween night in Shibuya" Yeah remember the last one in particular was SPECIALLY crazy
In Japan, alcohol consumption is allowed in public outdoor places like parks because order is generally maintained. It's considered the norm. While I understand that many countries do not permit this, the issue arises with the increasing number of foreign tourists who abuse this privilege.
the no drinking law is likely mean to add a extra layer of threat to being rowdy and uncouth. youre fine if you just hang out...but if youre crazy about it they have an extra charge
It's going to be one of those laws they're not going to enforce but they can use when they really need to do something. There's also the added effect of deterrence.
To be frank, Shibuya's back alleys are quite littered with trash, cigarette butts, bottles, and empty cans - drunk Japanese youths still in their "salarymen" clothes. Friends and colleagues trying to help them out. A public drinking ban might remove the litter, but will not remove the latter - including the funny plastic bags of puke with apologise notes, because as non-Japanese I can totally get the frustratingly non-existing trash can in Japan that is too slow to change since Sarin gas attack almost 30 years ago. You might not be able to walk around with alcoholic drinks, but Shibuya is also littered with all kinds of Izakays, Karaoke bars, "Nomihodai" (all you can drink within time limit) till you drop kind of venues. So not a big deal for me. People getting drunk, wasted, passed out on the sidewalks, and being careless with their litter like cigarette butts will not be gone.
While we’re the topic, On a recent trip a month or two ago, i saw a a rowdy drunk dude get carried away by police at Harajuku station. Just an interesting moment from the trip.
Makes sense to do city by city. It's not like they are going for national alcohol prohibition, just local communities deciding they want drunk people in bars instead of wandering the sidewalk. No biggie.
@@pointless.speculations6741 It's illegal to drink in public, not to be drunk in public You're falling for the same issue a misread statistic can lead you too- a false sense of security through forged numbers/laws
Mallorca one of the mayor hotspots for party tourism in Europe banned public drinking and if you are caught you need to pay a fine up to 1500€. So yes it definitely can work if you have a punishment system not just the police confiscating the can of beer.
I mean, this is only if you insist on sticking to the tourist areas. Me and my friends in Yokohama on the other hand: This law literally has no effect. I get the message Shibuya City is trying to send here, but it’s not going to be as effective as they expect it to be.
There's so much more to this issue, pardon me copying and pasting what i've previously wrote"Japanese citizens are finding less of a reason to be alive and present and their population is showing that Banning drinking to a legal hardworking adult in public is mearly a distraction that puts responsability on the wrong people. Their authority should have reformed, not their people If like in europe it encourages paper bag usage- the local police (as joey has stated) would disproportionally target biracial, mixed, or ("""foreign looking""") Japanese citizens it's a holistic issue Which is why it's hard to explain with little words
Of course you don't AdrianAlexAnderveidt, because you couldn't care less for adults mental states and rights to self regulate in a country they already have to overwork themselves
@@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138 And you honestly think that the solution to depression or mental disorders is alcohol? Nope, it isn't. If anything stop drinking it's only a positive.
I feel like japan really suffers from the highly increased tourism. People are really abiding by the rules and were not ready for all those chinese, american and whatever tourists that don't do so. You see a new video every other week where there are new restrictions to this, bans of that and so on. You have limitations, high increases in prices, tourist scams and fees. I'm curious of what the average japan travel experience will look like in a year.
China and Japan have a longer history that they've sorted between themselves over japan and america This still really impacts people that look like joey Biracial mixed japanese citizens They already are quite exculded in society- this will not be helping
It's understandable. They are trying to clean up Tokyo for tourists and families. The Halloween party kinda ruined everything for Tokyo. That event really opened eyes to the public and put pressure on government to react. They did, as they usually do. The other reason is probably to spread business around to local Izakaya and restaurants rather than to convenience stores. Its forbidden to drink in public in America (super ironic considering drinking and driving is ok) Having said all that I doubt police will do much to stop it. Just like they banned headphones while riding bikes...if you encounter a strict police officer they will tell you to take them out. But most police will not bother because everyone still does it and it still doesn't really create many problems. Having said that, this is a purely Tokyo thing. I've traveled to all parts of Japan and major cities and only Osaka and Tokyo are the only places where people drink in public freely. It's legal where I live (Kochi) but nobody does it because there's a stigma associated with it. Tokyo is trying to create this stigma. One thing I think Joey should mention ks that this is absolutely not targeted towards tourists and foreigners... it's targeting young Japanese people and big groups of them that bum around drinking and laughing loudly and being general nuisances.
If the ban were to encourage paper bags it would target tourists and foreigners and bi-racial Japanese citizens Not to mention we can't really talk about immagrated Japanese citizens outside of the technical "citizen" or "foreigner" (heck i dont know, "foreign citizen?" but would we call Joey that?)
It's like how smoking isn't allowed, but in Osaka people do it anyway and no one cares. I've even smoked next to a cop. I hope Osaka won't be affected by this, having an after work conbini beer outside the conbini is a valuable luxury.
It’s okay, shibuya is pretty dead recently 😢 everyone does the old shibuya style drinking in ueno nowadays. The shibuya ward polis probably don’t want all the smoke that comes with the party life and is just creating plausible deniability 😅
In reality, there will likely be a need for stricter entry regulations for foreign tourists. Many of them fundamentally struggle to grasp the differences between "freedom" and "self-indulgence." Their adherence to the law is often questionable.
its no big deal. this is such a non-story its not even worth talking about...I had the opportunity to do that on my last 2 trips but just didnt....kinda pointless when you can just go into a bar. A tourist drinking on the street where you dont even know where you are and cant even speak the language that well just makes you look awkward and unwanted. The locals can get away with that because they live there. Its a good thing tbh. the area will look nicer and cleaned up. Hopefully they enact a penalty for foreigners.
It just makes it the Japanese citizens mess to clean up instead of putting the precedent on their local authority That's why it's an issue- gives another reason for their citizens to struggle with no reward
Just realized to highlight that foreign looking locals would be targeted It's still a harmful precedent knowing how the local police targets people that look like Joey or different in many ways
This is a slippery slope for Japan that I'm not sure they've fully thought through. As an American I can tell you these kinds of bans end up boiling down to enforcement bandwidth and willpower (aka force). Instead of having all of the 'meltdowns' in one convenient place that you can see and manage, you will now have it spread out just outside of this zone into places that didn't normally deal with this (as well as all the trash that goes with it). Also, on nights where there is just too many people to actually do anything about it, officers will have a choice: turn a blind eye to the majority of it OR apply an escalating level of force to the situation as people who are drunk and rowdy aren't too cooporative. I've seen a few police interactions in Tokyo in my time and they're usually a lot of cops standing around talking to someone trying to reason with them for long periods (don't get me wrong, I very much appreciate this), but to enforce a blanket ban on a large crowd, you've gotta bust out the riot gear at some point and start putting people in cuffs. I'm not sure anyone wants the second option, it's a bad look but it's the only thing you can actually do as a police organization when put into this situation repeatedly. It may take a while to get to that point, but you're pushing the needle in that direction if it's the officer's responsibility and these incidencts are still occuring year after year. Sorry for the long rant, but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.....if you just pass bans and leave it up to the police you get escalation instead of meaningful solutions. Maybe use that money to create secondary venues that you CAN control with big holiday parties to give people reasons to not congregate in one place, instead of trying to ban your way out of the situation. Just my two cents as a random foreigner who loves to party in Tokyo (as respectfully as possible).
Shinjuku started taking the same steps with banning around Halloween and New Year like it was before in Shibuya. Not going to take long until they also ban in the evenings in general.
im from europe and its not allowed to drink alcohol in public here, you can Even be fined for it. But honestly people dont really give a shit, alot of people do it here because the bar prices for alcohol are insane, or you just want to sit in a park and enjoy the Nice weather. If the cops come we just hide our drink or conceal it in an innocent looking container. So might aswell allow it, i find that these type of rules dont really work well in practice its basicaly a lazy solution to much bigger problems in society. I also agree that its weird af that its only being done in shibuya and not for entire Tokyo.
4:30 fiscalization 9:40 is harder to enforce and fiscalize a new law. Even harder if the zone is bigger, resources needed increase (advertisement, police, changes in infrastructure, changes in economy, etc). I agree that this doesn't work flawlessly, but doesn't mean it does not have an impact. If drunk people travel somewhere else and then come back, yeah they could be violent but it is less likely because the context is different. He/she is no longer in the place to party/drink but in a more regulated space. This doesn't mean it can't happen, but it does reduce the risk and can give useful data to implement in other zones later on. Slow expansion allows for population to get acustomed/ adapt to the new regulations. The analogy to Australia is in another context, does not apply the same. You say they expected to solve the violence related to alcohol, if that is true, it was an unrealistic objective. But if the objective is to reduce and develop strategies, is good. Hope that helps.
