I am not the biggest Tom Brady fan at all lol. But I can say I'm so glad that I grew up watching him and Peyton battle it out for so many years. Brady and Manning are 2 of the greatest QB's of all time.
At least Eli Manning held his own, an took control of both Superbowl wins against New England!! So no need to hate on Eli, he's a HOF QB if 1 is the best rating out of 100 to be a hall of fame QB Eli is a 99 but he will still make the HOF
once the two retire the nfl wont seem right for a few years, especially for the patriots. i cant imagine a pats team without brady. 2 of the greatest of all time playting in the same era
Why compare them? Both are going to the hall of fame without a doubt and both will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time. I'm a pats fan but i have a ton of respect for manning and his accomplishments and I hope he wins it all this year.
@@cameronclark3927 It's the only stat that matters. If you aren't doing everything in your power to win a Super Bowl, then what's the point? That means I want the guy who wins the big game and performs at the most critical times.
I don't get people that love Peyton Manning and hate Tom Brady and vice versa. I'm a Tom Brady fan and I think Peyton is great too. Again... I think lots of Peyton fans feel the same way about Brady. You don't have to denigrate one to lift the other. They are both awesome.
they are both great guys and even better qbs, however arguments start when trolls on the internet try to place manning's career and credentials over brady's. it's not even a contest..
I hate the arrogance Brady shows... Besides he is a crybaby when gets hits. As a player, I admit he is a great player... In other areas, he lefts lot to desire
When I get married and have kids someday they will ask me wow you got to see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning play and i will say yes those were the games everyone looked forward too the week before the most anticipated game that got the most coverage probably the most tv views and probably one of the NFLS most legendary matchups like next sunday Brady and Manning Bowl 14 coverage started tonight already
I'm a pats fan, and I respect the hell out of peyton.. both are definitions of an NFL quarterback. classy, and about their business. wasn't alive to see Elway or Montana but I'm truly blessed to have witnessed these two guys play.
What a classy guy. How are you all going to sit here and say brady had better weapons to play with then manning? Thats complete garbage. He has brought his team to 5 SB's, won 3 and is basically carrying his team to a 7-3 record this year. Give brady the recievers manning has and garuntee he will not only break records, but make the ignorant nfl fan base look stupid like he has for all these years.
What receivers manning has lol, demarious thomas and eric decker, who jumped from 80th and 100th place over all for receivers, to both being in the top ten when manning arrived, the only credible receiver manning has is welker, and where did he come from, julius is a rookie who wouldnt even come up in the topic of talented receivers without peyton throwing to him, the same colts team that nearly went undefeated in 09 went 2-14 when peyton got injured, well sir lol the weapons he had!!!
james layton You're a complete fool. Manning had Marvin Harrison, Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Stokley, Dallas Clark, Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, for years, played in a dome against the shitty AFC South (texans play inside, jags/ten nice weather for years, has played three more seasons than Brady. Had Tony Dungy (defensive genius), Dwight Freeney Robert Mathis Bob Sanders on D... And no, Rex Grossman is nowhere near the QBs Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme were... Not even close. Kurt warner was a 2x MVP.. Carolina almost beat NE in that SB and McNabb was a perennial pro bowler. Rex Grossman was about as bad as Mark Sanchez. Tom Brady won SB's with no name talent and no running game- David Givens, deion branch, troy brown, this year guys off the street (Kenbrell thompkins?? aaron dobson?? ) Gronk is it... and he's only had one HOFer his entire career- Randy moss for 2 seasons. Brady has done WAY more with less talent around him and Belichick is not this genius everyone has made him out to be. He was an average-shitty coach with cleveland, and became a "Great" coach when Tom Brady became his QB. He sucked as a head coach in NE with Bledsoe as his QB. Case Closed.
Mike Hamilton big Lol, you did not just call austin collie a somebody and deion branch and troy brown nobodies, I wouldn't even bother debating football with someone like you haha, dallas clark, is he still alive, are you noticing a trend with manning's receivers, they all turn trash without him, manning makes his players HOFers, your going to tell me the 2011 2-14 colts were a team full of HOFers, you must be high or something, THEY WENT 2-14, the same team, exactly the same team that went to the sb at 16-2 with new orleans, they would have been 18-1, just like the 07 pats if caldwell didn't sit the starters in week 16 against the jets, take peyton out of the lineup, then you really know what he had to work with, all of these great players you listed were built by peyton, the numbers clearly show it, how do you think these receivers like thomas and decker magically make the transition from top 100 receivers to top ten when peyton shows up, do the math!!!
james layton lmao that is funny. He made his receivers into HOfers, that is complete bullshit. Decker and thomas were good even when they had tim tebow. The fact is peyton is not a better qb then brady. Regular season is an argument BUT both regular season and playoffs tom brady is superior. Is reggie wayne, harrison, garcon, clark etc better than troy brown, branch, givens? Absolutely so they are, AND tom brady beat manning 10-4 in there meetings. Brady is the best ever. Period.
all these hate comments toward Brady are amazingly hilarious.. thank you.. this is your contribution to the drive for five!! lol motivation.. and you still hate him because hes great.. hes the best to ever play the game.. period!!
Loni B lol nice joke. He plays 6 more games than Marino or Montana did and he can't move and he is a choke King. And the reason he has so many haters is because he has been caught cheating twice, and many players in the nfl believe that he cheats now.
pro - agar shows their intelligence level.. the investigation the NFL held never proved anything nor did they reveal what their "proof" was.. and no one in the NFL believes he did anything wrong because he didnt.. the only ones who believe that are dumbass fans who dont know shit anyways.. and yeah hes a choke artist?? funny.. hes in his 7th SB this year.. and what else did you say..?? oh he only has 6 more games than Montana and Marino.. but hes not done either!! Montana and Marino are!! every game he plays makes that number grow.. use your brain and not your ass for thinking, okay..
I'm a Cowboys fan, but both these guys are making history one game at a time. Peyton Manning breaking all-time records, and Brady and his team winning four Super Bowls (tying for most Superbowl wins) .. Y'all are too worried about who's better, when why not just enjoy both of them playing? Stop the comparison, I'm sure the two don't mind each other.
Maybe we should be a little more like the two guys themselves? They admire each other, whilst being fiercely competitive. They remain humble whilst wanting to win and beat each other. They behave with class, dignity and are respectful whilst being two of America's top sportsmen. There are so many stats, some subjective, others not, and anyone knows stats can be used to tell the story we want - MVP's v winning %, Superbowls v TD passes etc etc. Both outstanding players and people it seems to me.
You are absolutely right, Adam. In private conversations I have often said, "I hate Brady," or "I can't stand Belichick." But I also say very often, and mean it, you have got to admire greatness, and Brady and Belichick are both great at what they do. And really they are nice people, people you would love to be able to sit and chat with. We throw around words like "hate" too much. But there are other words we should purge from our vocabulary, too --- all negative words and ugly words that can hurt or offend anyone listening.
Mary Cage Couldn't agree more Mary - Peyton got one up on TB on the weekend - though I still marvel at how the Patriots even got to this game given the season/injuries/player departures they have had! SB should be very interesting - cheers, Adam.
While I am a huge Peyton Manning fan I do see a mutual respect that these 2 players have for each other. You never seen them tear the other one down. They hold each other in the highest regard and that is what really counts not who has the better stats or more rings. Tom Brady is not my favorite QB but I was rooting for them last night even though I am a Bronco fan. You can compare these two until the end of time and either way they are both 2 of the top QB's of my generation at least and definitely in the top QB's of the entire program. They both have strengths and weaknesses. They have good seasons and they have bad seasons. Brady was out with a knee injury and Manning was out with a neck/nerve injury. Both came back better and have definitely worked to get to where they are today. But lets not forget the other players on the team that also have a hand in team victories. Sure the quarterback has an extremely important job but they couldn't fulfill that job with out the other players on the team doing their own jobs. My personal opinion is that they are equal in a sense, one is better at one thing while the other is better at another.
***** The fact is Brady and Manning are friends. QBs in the NFL have a kind of fraternity. They talk to each other off season. I may be guilty of stereotyping but QBs have a certain type of personality. Laid back and and studious. Not prone to be flashy.
We, as fans, should all be thankful that we get to witness not ONE, but TWO all-time great quarterbacks in the league at the same time. Football is awesome, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning help make it awesome. The end
they're both great players, and instead of recognizing the fact you're watching two legends that are arguably the best ever at their position play in the same era, you're just constantly bitching about who's better. Enjoy the time that these two are playing, because it'll be a sad day when each of them retires.
I honestly like Tom Brady, and peyton manning, i guess it's just the fans that ruin tom, and the patriots for me. but i guess so are almost all teams fans.
+Isaac Sugg I'm a die hard Patriots fan and have a lot of respect for Peyton. He's a hell of a qb and i'm honestly sad to see him leave the nfl. I'm going to miss the Brady and Manning rivalry. Because no matter what team won,it was always one hell of a game. I agree though some fans do get annoying,but every team has their annoying over the top fan's. Just wanted to say not all of us are like that. Cheers!
I agree. I loved Tom Brady until the offseason they beat Seattle. Seeing the way they praised him and bashed Peyton rubbed me the wrong way. I've rooted against them ever since. Bronco Fan.
Shredder McScumbag Peyton and Eli have 4 together.. Brady has 4 by himself.. Lol so whooooo is better?? yeah, i can say it.. Brady is better.. the SB rings speak for themselves.. js
I forgot to mention the following when comparing the 2008 Pats and the 2011 Colts: The 2010 Steelers went 3-1 in their first four games without Big Ben, and still made the SB.
Why does there even have to be an argument about who is better? They are both great QB's. Any team would be lucky to have either one of them. Brady has been surrounded by better teams and coaching throughout his career. Manning has literally carried every team he has ever had. If you want to define how good a QB is on how many rings he has, then yeah I guess Brady wins, but again, football is a team sport, Brady didn't win 4 Super Bowls, his teams did. Manning is smarter but Brady has better instincts. Although I will say Brady's body seems like it will last another 5 years while Manning is pretty cooked.
Are you Forreal ?? MANNING carrying whole teams it's the other way around look at Brady he takes no names out casts turns them in to pro bowler all pros stars on offense an still wins when it matters he clutch he comebacks no matter the score you look at manning he's the only dude to have 9 one an dones in the playoffs an having 1st round byes he's a great qb owns all the stats but when the chips are down an you need a come back he's a choker in big games he goes to Denver they give him every one he needed D.Thomas J.Thomas Eric decker Wes welker good o line an sanders but he get to the bowl an has the biggest Super Bowl collapse ever decker J.Thomas both balling out for they new teams too so it wasn't him whole made them good
+G Giovanni both are almost equal in different ways, but you make it seem like Brady hasn't had Hall of Fame receivers and legendary defensive guys ? ? i'm just saying it's not like Brady was playing with the bad news Bears
yea , i wouldn't put one over the other, especially not now, looking at how they both faired against seattle, i jus find brady usually gets the nod, but its mostly because of the rings, but to me they don't mean much cause like ya say, teams win rings. I think it's hands down a draw, i mean jus look at the rivalry, it seems they just go back and forth, every time brady has an epic season, manning follows, sure brady's got it done more, but so did eli, that don't make him better. Just look at the pats undefeates team, were they really any better than the colts the following year, caldwell pretty much gave away peytons undefeated season, if he left the starters where they were, you have a team with the same record 18-1, with a sb loss. Also the whole "manning had more to work with is not even arguable it's completely false, because how do ya justify virtually the same teams going 11-5 (pats), and 2-14 ( colts)... just minus the qb's...idk to me manning was much more crucial to hus team than tom was. That cassel team had the highest record out of any team that didn't make the playoffs, just cause the luck played the seeds out that way, ya can't call cassels season a blunder considering he makes it and possibly takes the division in any other year, but the 2-14 manningless colts...ahh yea, you can call that one a blunder, i mean jeeze they got murdered by the saints like 62-0 that year lol and imo cassel was no higher of a calibre than painter, theyre both pure garbage. I think it's fact that pats had the better team beyond the qb's, but idk , some still try to call that 2-14 team of pro bowlers that were mostly created by manning good lol and there are some who even come up with the non sense theory that they did it intentionally to get luck, because they knew peyton was going out bahaha, but i don't even entertain that crazy theory. I think it makes more sense that they were just garbage without manning, just seems to add up more lol...wish i could discuss thus great rivalry further...BUT ITS GAME TIME BABYY!!! WOOOO Lol
+james layton as has been known by everyone in the league, Colts were completely tanking to get the number 1 pick. They gave up 63 points in a game early in the season & analysts afterward said "ok they're not even trying". Pats were 18-1 so 7 fewer wins. Colts were 10-6, so 8 fewer wins. And then are you going to tell me a rookie QB came in & was better than the legend Manning?? Again, look deeper than outside appearances
They both are great. And maybe they should consider themselves lucky, that they play in the same era, in the same conference. This competition surely helped them develop their play respectively.
@Greg Hensley: I completely agree. I'm a dedicated Manning fan, and though Brady is a rival Quarterback, I have a lot of respect for him. If Peyton can respect him, then I'll accept that fine example. I wish all fans could learn from these two Quarterbacks and stop the hating.
you all argue about this like they pay your bills or something haha both of them are some of the greatest QB's in the history of the NFL. In what way does one QB being better than the other affect your life? I am a hardcore sports fanatic but all of this useless bickering back and forth gets really annoying.
its called banter mate, if you were truly a 'hardcore' sports fanatic you would know what it feels like to be passionate about certain players/teams ahaha
In his 10 trips to the playoffs, actually, he's only had to play a Wildcard game 3 times, In 05, 06, and 09. That's pretty impressive. His playoff TD-Int ratio is 42-22, nearly 2-1. As for individual accomplishments, he's been Super Bowl MVP twice, league MVP twice, and is the only player to ever be unanimously voted for league MVP. He holds the record for most touchdown passes in a single season (50) And is the 23 time AFC offense player of the week (a league record) among other awards.
Me too, and I said the same thing after the 2009 AFC championship game. But people tend to be dazzled and amazed as Peyton rolls through another MVP regular season... only to come up very small in the penultimate moment of the biggest game of the year.The pick-6 in SB 44 was a perfect example of his choker DNA. Then we saw it again this year as he threw a pick-six, fumbled, and threw the Brett Favre-tribute INT in O.T. vs Baltimore. That was the 2nd time Peyton went 1-and-done with the #1 seed.
Spygate is the only excuse people make who cheer for shit teams in the NFL. There were several coaches who are retired that said they tried that every week. Like him or not Brady is a winner and is a very humble guy which people hate him for that. He is a nice guy who is great at what he does. P.S without a circus freak catch and a welker drop Brady would have 5 SB championships.
Vitali97 I don't know about that Vitali97. SBXLII: Despite David Tyree's circus freak catch, the Patriots defense still had a chance to stop Eli Manning and the Giants offense. You forgot to mention Steve Smith's third-down catch on 3rd-and-11 on the NE 25 which sets up Eli to Plaxico Burress. SBXLVI: Even if Wes Welker made that catch, he would be tackled at the 20 and the Giants called their final timeout with 4:00 left to go. What would happen next? A possible turnover while trying to melt some clock and/or score more points a la Jerome Bettis' fumble against the Colts in the 2005 AFC Divisional Playoff which could've cost the Steelers. Also, Rob Gronkowski, banged up ankle and all, was still in the vicinity of the hail mary bomb. And both times, Tom Brady and the Patriots had the last possession in both Super Bowl's 42 and 46 to reply.
#Vitali97 you are the man! lol if you look up the top 10 luckiest plays of all time guess who made number 1? the Denver and Patriots game showed that the Pats are better off without Welker before OT he dropped a pass that was a potetential first down play and would have gotten them into FG range he didnt get the nickname butterfingers for nothing
Should have won 5 lol but its okay the fact that Eli has been (Eli)minated from the playoffs for the second year in a row shows the truth about him 5 interceptions in 1 game come on give me a break what a joke lol
***** Yeah, Eli Manning has his third NFL season of 20+ interceptions. But I also know that the Giants have 8 NFL Championships despite not having a dominating decade nor repeated as NFL Champions/Super Bowl winners. Not only that, Big Blue is the only team in NFL history that has at least one NFL Championship/Super Bowl title for four straight decades.
CaptainAndMolly And I also know that the Patriots have a 3-4 record in their Super Bowl history including two losses to the G-Men that made history for the wrong reasons. SB 42: Third team in NFL history to go 18-1 in a single season, but the first to never win it all. SB 46: First team in NFL history to lose a Super Bowl to a team less than 10 wins.
I'm aware of that, my point was Brady landing all the way at #21 after just 8 full seasons is incredible. None of the other QBs in their top 25 would've made it that far after their first 8 seasons.
Case in point about Manning. He has a 30-13 lead in the 4th qrt with 5:35 left and what does PM do...??? Run the clock out NOOOOOO.... He rares back and throws a 35 td pass to break bradys record. Once again he pads his stats and been doing so throughout his carreer. He will NOT retire until he owns ALL of Favre's records {save INTs} It's ALL about "Manning"...
There is a difference between choking and having a bad game. In both SB losses, Brady had a bad-to-mediocre game, being dominated by the Giants D-line all game long, and yet he lead them to a go-ahead TD before his defense choked.
2 MVPs, 2 SB MVPs, #8 all-time in completions, #9 all-time yards passing, #5 all-time passing TDs, #3 all-time passer rating, #9 all-time comp%, #2 all-time INT%, 8x pro bowler, 2x all-pro, 5,235 yards in one season (2nd all-time), 50 TD passes in one season, highest TD-INT differential (334/123), most TD passes in a playoff game, holds over 40 NFL passing records, never completed less than 60% of his passes in any season, most consecutive attempts without INT, 48 consecutive TDs (#2 all-time),
Can't believe people are arguing on who is better, sure, they are the same position and sure they were rivals but the way they play is incomparable with each other they are both amazing quarterbacks, they are people not bragging rights
Man I always disliked Tom Brady but colts and patriots rivalry was great when Peyton played forever a Peyton fan forever a colts fan and forever a Reggie Wayne fan
The era of success is making deep playoff runs and winning their division almost every year. You're right it's a team sport, but Quarterbacks LEAD their teams, and, in the modern NFL, play the most important position. Brady has led his team to more wins. Manning might put up better numbers in the regular season, but Ray Lewis put it best when speaking about Brady (Paraphrasing a bit) "You think he has to make this incredible throw into cover 2, but instead he exploits the weaknesses."
Tom Brady is 11-5 vs Peyton Manning Tom Brady has 4 rings. Peyton Manning has 1 ring. Tom Brady just took down the same Seattle defense that destroyed Peyton Manning. Regular season stats don't matter. Tom Brady is better.
your comparing a team effort tom brady is not the better quarterback he im not saying he is bad he is amazing but his stats dont add to peytons no where close Peyton is the GOAT period. he has ever stat in the books superbowls is a team effort when a team loses everyone blames the qb idiots.... its a TEAM GAME
When it comes down to it, who would you rather have on your team? When it comes down to winning, making players better around him, competitiveness, being clutch and can shoot the ball better than any quarterback. Not to mention went to the superbowls more times than anybody in the last ten years. Not taking anything away from peyton, amazing quarter back but he is also tied with brett favre for the MOST playoff losses in history. Tom can get it done in any circumstance. THE BEST ever.
Bottom line: In Indy, Peyton had 2 future HOF recievers. In Denver, he has a top 5 reciever and a top 5 tight end. He also had a former 1st round running back. Manning's number 3 reciever (Welker) is better than the Patriots number 1 (Edelman). We all saw what Tom did with Randy Moss, a reciever who the year previous had 500 yards with 3 tds. He multiplied Moss's td count by nearly 8 and added 900 yards to his total. We've seen what he's done with a healthy Gronk. Maybe Manning has more pure physical talent. But no one in pro sports can match Brady's fire, his desire to win. Brady always has that chip on his shoulder. He elevates his game when he's most needed. I don't think that the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl last year to an absolutely suffocating defense. But Tom would never buckle like Peyton did. When it matters, Tom shows up. When talent is around him, he makes them the best in the NFL (Moss, Gronk, Welker). The game last season against the Broncos when they came back showed what the difference between him and Manning. For whatever reason, be it the weather or the bright lights, Manning just didn't show up. And that will never happen to Tom.
His numbers were pretty damn good during the championship runs, and, like you said, he was throwing to nobodies, so that only strengthens his ability to get it done. It's beginning to get comical how far people who hate Brady are willing to go to discredit him. 2 NFL MVPS? 2 Super bowl MVPS? Most playoff wins by any QB? Sporting News' Athlete of the year? Highest winning percentage of any starting QB? The yardage,, the stellar TD/int ratio, completion percentage... Just accept it, he's great.
In Joe Montana's decade run of 1980-89, he was: #1 in passing yards in the regular season, #1 in passing yards in the postseason. #1 in completions in the regular season, #1 in completions in the postseason. #1 in total TDs in the regular season, #1 in total TDs in the postseason. #1 in games won in the regular season, #1 in games won in the postseason. ...all while maintaining the lowest INT%.
if u like brady u like kobe cluth perfroms in playoffs if u like manning u must like lebron rape in regular season buh choke in playoffs depends on you what you think matters most.
I've always been a Brady guy, I think he is everything you want in a QB. But it could go either way. What Manning does better than Brady, Brady is not very far behind & what Brady does better than Manning, Manning is not too far off. For those that say "look at the stats, Peyton better" Tom has thrown 27 more TDs & 41 fewer INTs than Manning since 2007, he's right there with him stat wise & in some cases better. "Well Peyton has the career passing records" Karl Malone has more points & rebounds than Michael Jordan, is he better? And Favre had most of the career records before Manning but no one was saying he was the best all-time. "Tom's played with great teams, that gets him his 4 rings" Great point but Manning has played with plenty of great players on both sides too. If your team is good enough to compete for the #1 seed as many times as Peyton's (& Tom's) have, you're not lacking super bowl talent.
+Npartin1 Two words, Dan Marino !!! Favre broke Marino's records by playing more years/games !!! Then these two break records with new QB rules. None of these QB's had the arm and accuracy that Marino had and if given a defense he would need more fingers for SB rings !!!!
+redhead5150 I'll give Marino more credit for the "if only had better defenses" theory than Manning. Some of Marino's playoff losses were high scoring, majority of Manning's low scoring
+redhead5150 and I agree that QBs of this era are benefitting from rules that heavily favor the offense. That's why Brady for his career is 2.85/1 TD:int ratio & last 8 yrs it's been 3.9/1.
Those Brady vs Manning duals was some of the best football I ever witnessed. Definitely the best two to ever play the game in my book. How often does the best two come along in the same generation?
I will quote Bart Starr... " How well do you play when you HAVE to WIN...? " Manning plays well when little is at stake, but not all that and a bag of chips when it's all on the line... PM is 9-11 in the playoffs... I''ll take Starr's 5 rings Bradshaw's 4 rings Montana's 4 rings or Brady's 3 rings over all of Mannings individual awards... He throws every play to pad his stats because he's out to break all of favre's records. I'd still take Favre... Put a pass rush on Manning and he folds like a deck of cards...
You don't think he throws more to make up for Denver's weaker running game? That's not a possibility? He's out there to win games and everybody knows that he has heart. Personally I believe there's a very little chance that he is out there for stats at this point.
The best part is that the guy that wrote the November 2009 S.I. article about Peyton (Peter King) was on the 7-man panel of sportswriters who came up with the all-time top ten QBs: 1.Montana 2.Unitas 3.Brady 4.Graham 5.Peyton 6.Elway 7.Marino 8.Baugh 9.Favre. 10.Bradshaw. I just happen to agree with most of that list.
All you uninformed people who is talking that Peyton has better weapons is full of crap.....post both Thomas's stats before Peyton and during Peyton. ....also Eric Decker. ...and Emmanuel Sanders.....I know you won't because it shuts your foolish argument down.....Peyton makes receivers great. ....simple as that......
DopeAsCopeBrother You shut the F up fool.....D Thomas first two seasons were without Peyton. ....he had 834 total yards in those 2 seasons.....smh.....I have nothing else to say to you.....you are either a liar or a troll saying he had a 1000 yard season before Peyton got there. ....
Mike Hamilton I didn't know Peyton Manning played defense and special Teams and caught the ball and was a pass. Rusher and kick returned it. The Broncos lost 43-8 not Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning did lose 43-8 but you are saying it as in he is the only one on the team. Was it his fault that 3 pro bowlers were out? Was it his fault that the Seahawks made a kick return td? Was it his fault that Demarius Thomas fumbled the ball? Was it his fault that his o-line didn't do shit and let the defenders get to him after 2 seconds ?
I love how you cherry-picked that "since 2006" stat. Hey, I can play that game too. From 2001 to 2006, Brady had 3 playoff games with more INTs than TDs. Manning had 4. Whoopee. But one of my favorite Manning stats is the 3 TDs-to-7 INTs he put up in his ONLY super bowl-winning postseason. Worst TD-INT differential in NFL history by FAR.
the funny thing is as much as us football fans argue about whos bbetter between brady and manning. the level of respect they display for each other kind of reminds of magic and bird
You guys don't like Brady because he can win with rookies that get hurt and can't even catch a ball. But he still comes out with a 12-4 record with Weller gone and gronk lmao haters? No wilfork no mccourty no Taliban no Mayo common now lmao..Manning is good but he also has Thomas Decker welker so think about that one.. look at both these qbs stats and clearly Brady has a better career stats with wins and loses.
I get that, but just because it's all a matter of opinion doesn't necessarily mean it's pointless. It's the single greatest QB rivalry in NFL history. It deserves to be debated.
As a Cowboys fan I couldnt help but notice the ticker about Jones/Ratliff scuffle in the locker room. If that doesnt sum up the Cowboys situation, then and now, I dont know what does.
joesakic91 Ya, well they're also the only team out of the 4 major North American sports (NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL) to start a season 18-0. If they did win that game, 19-0, they would've been the greatest team in SPORTS history and this Manning/Brady debate would be completely over, but hey, it wasn't meant to be right David Tyree?
Mike Hamilton Yeah, the 2007 Patriots would've went 19-0 and also went 4-0 in championships in a single decade tying with the 1970s Steelers and 1980s 49ers, but also had an undefeated season to go along with it, but they came up short. Yeah, some Patriot fans will brag about going 18-1, but they also forgot there were two other teams before them that also went 18-1 in the 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears, but those two teams are considered to be two of the greatest single-season teams behind the 1972 Miami Dolphins because they won their Super Bowls to go along with their 18-1 record. And yeah, you can bring up David Tyree all day long, but you should also mention Steve Smith. He caught a critical third down pass two plays after Tyree's helmet grab to set up Eli to Plaxico Burress.
You were right about the 2008 Pats, as they played a weak AFC West and NFC West, and had the lowest schedule strength. The 2011 Colts, OTOH, played a tough AFC North and NFC South, and were tied for the 3rd-highest schedule strength.
Manning just threw TD pass #49 on his 624th attempt of 2013. Brady threw his 50th TD pass on his 573rd attempt in 2007. Just sayin'... Brady > Manning.
james layton LMAO!! Holy shit, dude... All I can say is this: Manning has just knocked one of the NFL's great QBs off of his throne with that 51st TD pass. And no... I don't mean Tom Brady.
james layton Oh really? Because you forget that career-wise, Chad Pennington and Kurt Warner both have a better comp% than Manning. I guess that means they were "better QBs", right? LMFAO!!! Total fail, dude.
Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning. I dont give a shit. Dont use the "Peyton has broken all the records argument"...Brady does alot more with less weapons and has more rings....Peyton has been spoiled rotten with 1st round pick WRs & TEs everywhere he went
not to mention he is always on a pass heavy team. Tom Brady has a higher career winning percentage than him (than anyone). To me thats all that matters in the game
Rings are a team accomplishment. Individual records are an individual accomplishment. So no, manning is better. Also look at the colts record after manning got injured for a season, almost went 0-16, after almost going 16-0 with manning just the year before. Pats without Brady for a season... 11-5. Brady has Gronk ( can easily wind up being one of the best TE's ever) had hernandez, had Moss (second only to jerry rice all time) had welker (easily better then most first round receivers) So you want to try that dumb ass argument about the "more weapons" Manning had again? They both had their share of great players, made better by playing with them as QB's. Manning's better by far. That doesn't take anything away from Brady, he's still a great QB but Manning is in a league of his own. The only people on earth who think Brady is better are pats fans.
Lmao Brady had Moss and welker in 07 thats all he had then he had hernandez, gronk and welker in 12 and went to the superbowl with one of the worst defenses the superbowl had ever seen. yet still if not for the welker drop they would've won... Peyton Manning has Reggie Wayne and Harrison for how many years and wins one bowl against a sorry ass bears team with Rex Grossman as the qb and they still almost lose? Lets not forget to mention them losing to the saints because of manning throwing a pick six. Also lets definitely not forget to mention the 44-8 ass raping that manning got last year.... Brady 11-5 against manning only has a losing record to one team in the NFL. Has the highest win percentage of any quarterback ever and has the most playoff wins. Brady ruined the broncos D yesterday and Manning got shit on AGAIN. Brady is better and don't try to tell me julian edelman, lafell, and gronk are better than both damarius and julius thomas, wes welker, and sanders. Manning can have all the records he wants he wont surpass being better than brady
Joe Krankka Right.. brady's team was so much worse then peytons, i guess that's why they went 11-5 without brady and 2-14 without manning. So you can keep wanting to believe he had much better players all you want. As i said, the only people delusional enough to think brady is better, are pats fans.
Yep, and I kind of liked that list by NFL Network (came out just prior to the 2010 season). Manning made it to #8 after 12 full seasons. Pretty impressive. Brady made it to #21 after just his 8th full season. Very impressive. Out of the modern-era QBs in their top 25, Brady had played the fewest number of seasons BY FAR. It took Favre 18 seasons just to get to #20. And that was after 3 MVPs and a SB win. Manning after his first 8 seasons wouldn't have even sniffed the top 20.
Peyton Manning Is better than Tom Brady, I don't give a shit. Don't use the "Brady has more rings argument." Eli has more rings that Dan Marino, does that make him better? nope. Peyton is the best player in the NFL.
gourdo126 And I'm sure Peyton would trade his supporting cast and half of his NFL contract for that Dynasty defense Brady had half his career. Ask yourself who do Joseph Addai, Dominic Rhodes, Austin Collie, Brandon Stokely, Anthony Gonzales or Dallas Clark play for? No one that's who. Maybe Brady would be breaking records too with the kind of receivers Peyton has now, but he wouldn't have won one Superbowl let alone make two appearances with the team Peyton had then.
It wasn't just that year, it was his senior year too. In the '97 game, Manning threw a badly-overthrown pick-six that put Tennessee in a 14-0 hole. And in his final college game- the '98 Orange Bowl, he ended the game on the bench and was replaced by Tee Martin, who led the Volunteers to 13-0 and the national title just one year later. The Manning choke-artist label was born.
Favre was a 3x MVP, actually had won a SB, and held every single major NFL passing record-- and he only made it one notch ahead of Brady at #19. 2 MVPs and a few big passing records would not have been enough to put Peyton past Marino. No way.
Now that Manning has barfed all over his shoes and showed all the Manning worshippers how "great" he really is with yet another no-show, non-clutch, un-Brady like, epic failure of a performance in that incredible blowout and mega embarrassment of gargantuan proportions.....let's hope that Brady has a couple more super bowls left in him and at least 1 win out of them so that the coffin that is "Manning is as good as Brady" is not only nailed shut, but buried in cement!
I was with you until you said un-brady like are you serious? Tom Brady folded up against Eli two super bowls in a row. And another thing if Brady was going to do something this super bowl if he had been given a chance like so much people said he would have shown up. Then why did he not make it there? He was given a chance against the man who you are clowning right now. Drew brees has one of the greatest arms in nfl history and even he folded against seahawks. So give credit where credit is due. Seahawks just was the team to beat and lived up to expectations. Peyton Manning last two superbowls he went against two teams that has never even won a superbowl saints and seahawks which is why they had more heart and came out victorious. Seahawks was just more hungry Peyton is still one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. Oh and Brady hasn't won since like 2005. So when Brady actually wins then maybe your argument can be relevant.
Tommy Brophy Thank you, thank you! I saw Revealing Jesus' post and said oh man, not another explanation I gotta make! Again I gotta correct all someone's total wrong points about the Bradster, one by one my goodness it's getting tiring! So thanx for doing some of the leg work but it looks like I gotta go talk to Jesus and correct the rest of them, anyway! :)
Revealing Jesus Yes, I'm very serious! Like my friend Brophy said and unlike the complete untruth of your statement regarding Brady's performance against the Giants, he left each game with roughly 4 minutes on one and roughly 7 minutes in the other BOTH with the lead and the D gave up the winning TD's to the NY Turds one on a butt munch play that had the worlds luckiest title awarded to it in Eli's evasion from a sack and the "rub it in loser" Tyree Velcro catch. And the other to a pretty good throw by (what have you done for me lately) Eli and an incredible catch by Maningham tip toeing on the sidelines and if you remember, Welker dropping a relatively easy catch from Brady that would've most certainly sealed the win for the Pats in the 2nd SB. Now, did you see any kind of Peyton Manning barfing or blowing of chunks all over his shoes from Brady in either of those SB losses? Did you see any dry heaving on the sidelines in a paper bag like Manning in this last SB? Did you see a pitiful performance from a supposed great QB with 2 interceptions one for a pick-6? NO, you didn't! So please take that analogy back and never bring that farce up again. Why didn't Brady make it there? Again, not because he puked all over the field like manning did but because he barely has a team around him. His best receiver is a 5-8 on a good day and no-one else. The running game was nowhere to be found. The defense is depleted, yet they did come back and beat the crap out of those same Denver Broncos a month before that after being down 23-0! So yes, he does lose every once in a while he is human but at least he SHOWS UP!!! That's the point! Best of all, is you just summed up the entire debate in Brady's favor by saying this - "Peyton Manning last two superbowls he went against two teams that has never even won a superbowl saints and seahawks which is why they had more heart and came out victorious." They had more heart! Is that the problem with Manning and why he chokes almost every time he plays a big game? Because he doesn't have enough heart to compete?! Well, there you go. You could never put him in the same room as the great Tom Brady!
***** Smitty, you da man! Thanks for that killer post and you laid it down pretty awesomely! Look at those TD-INT in the SB stats alone between the two and we're still having this debate?!?! This is why I make it a point to educate people (just like you did here so well, dang), because that stupid ass debate should never be a debate in the first place!!!!! And BTW, that first play with the botched snap and safety was completely Manningua's fault because the entire line moved and not just the center. Had the center moved only, then there might've been some miscommunication on his part and it wouldn't have been Barf Boy's fault. But because the entire line jumped with the snap, then it had everything to do with Manning blowing the play.....again!
GoMiGman Manning might not be the best after the regular season but I LOVE seeing Brady's face after he loses a SB. I hope I get to see it for the rest of his career!
The flip side to that is that, in every one of Brady's recent postseason losses, he's run up against a team with a very solid, physical defense that gets to him, gets him off his spot and forces him to make a lot of bad throws and bad decisions. Remember that 4th down play in the 2nd half vs the Ravens in the 2013 AFCC? Brady was starting to scramble downfield, and Ngata was closing in. Brady could've run it, but instead he just threw a duck into the end zone and nobody was even close to it.
That's the 2003 AFC Championship, and it relates to SB25, in which the Giants defense beat up the Bills' wide receivers and slowing down their "K-Gun" no-huddle offense. Polian was the Bills' GM during the first three SB trips (and was fired after SB27), while Belichick was the Giants' DC during that game.
True that. That comment pretty much sums up Peyton's entire 2006 postseason super bowl run. I was also happy when he won his 2nd super bowl. Oh wait....
and whether you like it or not, peyton's team started 0-13 and went 2-14 without him which shatters the notion that he had this great help around him. a team should never go from being a double digit win team to a near 0-16 team without a singular player.
Yes, Montana drove his team into the end zone for the win, Brady drove his team just barely into FG range for the win, and Manning threw a pick-six for the loss. Pretty much sums it all up. Yes, Manning has been the same since his days at Tennessee: You can always count on him to follow up a season's worth of gaudy passing stats with a horrendous choke in the biggest game of the year. Brady had the championship era 2001-04, then he had the monster stats/MVP/best Manning impersonation era.
tom brady is the only full grown man in PROFFESIONAL FOOTBALL that i have seen crying on the sidelines because his team was having a hard time.... just sayin...
Montana was the comeback king at Notre Dame before he was even handed the starting job. Then he won a national title in his first year as starter. In his final game, he led ND back from a 34-12 deficit with 7:00 left to win 35-34... with the flu. He gets drafted by 2-14 SF. They don't start him and they finish 2-14 again. They don't start him in 1980 and they go 6-10. Finally he gets the start in '81 and what happens? They win the SB.
I do give him the respect he deserves. It's just not as much as people that think the Patriots rise and fall with his game play think he deserves. I've always said he's a consistent, accurate short pass pocket passer. But he can't improvise and gets rattled under pressure. His first play from scrimmage in his last Super Bowl was an intentional grounding safety in the end zone.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Don't forget some guy named Kurt Warner. I've found an interesting quote from former Colts offensive coordinator Tom Moore, on why Peyton takes all the practice snaps, instead of the backups: "Fellas, if #18 goes down, we're fucked, and we don't practice fucked." I think that it was spoken prior to the 2011 season.
If they were closer in that statistic of win percentage, you could argue that Manning wins the game-winning drive stat. Brady simply doesn't need to compile a game-winning drive as much, but if he has to, he can.
2008 Pats played a weak AFC West and NFC West, had the easiest schedule, and went 3-5 vs. teams w/ 8+ wins, and 2-4 vs. teams that made the playoffs that year. Cassel also took the 2010 Chiefs to the playoffs that year, clinching the AFC West title in the process. 2011 Colts, OTOH, played a tough AFC North and NFC South, and panicked when Peyton had to go under the knife.
The best response to the "Cassel 11-5" argument is this: Johnny Unitas missed the entire 1968 season with injury. Not only did his no-name backup lead the Colts to 13-1 and the super bowl, he also WON NFL MVP that season. And then of course, you have Steve Young doing what he did after replacing Montana. So I guess Unitas and Montana were just "system QBs" and "products of their teams"..right, Manning fans? Well, they're widely regarded as the two greatest QBs of all-time. Sounds about right.
My point is that receivers picking up 12-15 TDs in a season with Peyton Manning as quarterback does not require an exceptional physical specimen. It doesn't matter who Manning's receivers are, they tend to put up similar numbers. You don't see a 4:1 TD advantage between them the way you did in 2007 with the Patriots.
I'd want him because he's the best quarterback to ever play. I watch him play and there's nobody else I'd rather have on the field if the game is on the line. He doesn't make dumb mistakes like getting flagged for intentional grounding in the end zone.
