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// TIMECODES //
00:00 - 01:40 - Introduction
01:40 - 11:50 - Tom Holland tell us about the opening of his new book ‘PAX’.
11:50 - 19:47 - Is there a sense of precariousness of the Roman Empire?
19:47 - 32:48 - Tom Holland explains questions around gender and sex though this period
32:48 - 45:30 - Are there things you admire and things you thinks we’ve lost in the Christian era that the Romans had?
45:30 -54:26 - How simular are we today, compared to the Roman Empire in it’s declining phases?
54:26 - 01:06:31 - Tom explains if woman had a figure through out the Empire
01:06:31 - 01:06:50 - Outro
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@smileytownSF
@smileytownSF 11 месяцев назад
I love the way Tom Holland has come up with unorthodox insights into Western culture and I value his scholarship and this interview.
@madeinengland1212
@madeinengland1212 11 месяцев назад
Smacks of damage limitation.
@aristocraticrebel
@aristocraticrebel 11 месяцев назад
It's basic Nietzscheanism.
@daveflanagan4213
@daveflanagan4213 11 месяцев назад
Yea brilliant
@deadmanwalking6342
@deadmanwalking6342 11 месяцев назад
@smileytownSF No you dont
@BrownOpsLeak
@BrownOpsLeak 11 месяцев назад
Incredible that he has the time to write books on Roman history and act as Spider-Man.
@TansuTansu2
@TansuTansu2 11 месяцев назад
The radioactive spider bite came from a Lycosidae.......
@h____hchump8941
@h____hchump8941 11 месяцев назад
I'd been wondering if they were the same Tom Holland since I watched the last Spider-Man, thanks for confirming it.
@ChessErwin
@ChessErwin 11 месяцев назад
Unless I miss my guess, this Mr. HOLLAND doesn't have another 'day job' starring in the SPIDER MAN flix....
@DaviRenania
@DaviRenania 11 месяцев назад
@@ChessErwin Sorry to inform you, but you missed your guess
@BigDan23229
@BigDan23229 11 месяцев назад
He also directed the movie Child's Play I think...
@ronzack4572
@ronzack4572 11 месяцев назад
This was an outstanding conversation. Thank you so much for putting it on RU-vid for FREE! What a great service you are doing for Western Civilization, honestly. One thing that was true then, and is still true today: PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER is the way of man, and especially the way of empires. Once they forget this, the empire is over.
@sizzla123
@sizzla123 11 месяцев назад
“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”~Marcus Aurelius
@johanswede8200
@johanswede8200 11 месяцев назад
"The Rest is History" with Dominic Sandbrook and Tom Holland is by far my favorite podcast. Learned, sofisticated and often hilariously funny❤
@jsong8282
@jsong8282 11 месяцев назад
I heard about TH from Dominion, which I richly enjoyed. I also liked the Rest is History 4-part series on the IS civil war
@johanswede8200
@johanswede8200 11 месяцев назад
@@jsong8282 Listen to all of them. They are very funny. The best episodes are without guests. Just the two of them. Enjoy. 🥰 From Stockholm
@elenahelen8958
@elenahelen8958 11 месяцев назад
Where can one find this podcast, please?
@jsong8282
@jsong8282 11 месяцев назад
@@elenahelen8958 it’s on Spotify and I’m sure others
@johanswede8200
@johanswede8200 11 месяцев назад
@@elenahelen8958 Google Podcasts
@prince-solomon
@prince-solomon 11 месяцев назад
"All empires fall. We can only hope that what we leave behind inspires respect and admiration." - Garrus Vakarian
@workhorse7134
@workhorse7134 11 месяцев назад
Well that's not gonna happen with the American Empire.
@samchandler7747
@samchandler7747 11 месяцев назад
​@@workhorse7134The Internet. Personal computers. Mobile phones. Email. Polio Vaccine. Airplanes. Panama Canal. Blues. Rock and Roll. Spaceshuttle. Human Genome Map. Splitting of the Atom. Men on the moon.
@izzyarland5304
@izzyarland5304 11 месяцев назад
This is my favorite comment on the UnHerd channel.
@Laocoon283
@Laocoon283 11 месяцев назад
​​@@samchandler7747The United nations, ending slavery, the light bulb, the transistor, obese poor people, hollywood, GPS
@vaska1999
@vaska1999 10 месяцев назад
​​@@samchandler7747 The only ones from that list that couldn't have emerged elsewhere are the blues and rock 'n roll. We're still reading Ancient Greeks but I wonder if people will be listening to rock 2,500 years from now. Bach and Tchaikovsky have a much greater chance of living on that long.
@sue.F
@sue.F 11 месяцев назад
Every now and then people will look to the fall of the Roman Empire for a cautionary lesson or predictor, learned folk discuss and disagree on the finer points, some even publish books on the topic, but to save time in digging over the same old worn ground I recommend Chauncey Gardiner: “First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.”
@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810
@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 11 месяцев назад
Korean made a film for that: Spring,summer,autumn,winter and Spring. Kim-Ki-Duk should be the director,
@tomemery7890
@tomemery7890 11 месяцев назад
Everyone should read his previous book 'Dominion'. It's fantastic and really eye-opening.
@nancypulley
@nancypulley 11 месяцев назад
Audible is awesome Loved it ❤because Tom Holland reads it and his voice punches the vital stuff - highly recommended 😊
@johncarroll772
@johncarroll772 11 месяцев назад
Is it as good as the movie, l thought the movie was fantastic.
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul 11 месяцев назад
What really got me interested in The Roman Empire was reading Winston Churchill's "The Birth of Britain" some 20 years ago.
@scipioafricanus2
@scipioafricanus2 11 месяцев назад
i would join this club if i lived in england.
@CelerPronet
@CelerPronet 11 месяцев назад
articulate, intelligent and entertaining - it'll never catch on! (great interview)
@antonyliberopoulos933
@antonyliberopoulos933 11 месяцев назад
Tom Holland is a fabulous storyteller. Many thanks Freddie.
@FMIFestival
@FMIFestival 11 месяцев назад
I’m very surprised that there was not a single mention of Sir John Glubb’s The Fate of Empires. His observation of six stages of empires is exactly how we are similar to the Roman empire.
@pmurnion
@pmurnion 10 месяцев назад
I would be even more impressed if they cited 'The Rise and Fall of Great Powers', but Paul Kennedy, a real historian, not an amateur. His work showed that in reality the essential condition for the European rise to greatness was not the Roman Empire but its collapse.
@andrewbaldwin4454
@andrewbaldwin4454 11 месяцев назад
Great interview. Byzantium only got a single mention in the comments, but arguably it was even more impressive than the Western Empire. It lasted longer in a more hostile neighbourhood. So many peoples have an Orthodox heritage due to Byzantium.
@theresewalters1696
@theresewalters1696 11 месяцев назад
Great point!
@r64g
@r64g 11 месяцев назад
Some even say that the Byzantium had endured and the Russian empire was a spiritual descendent of Byzantium, because the Russian statehood was consolidated through its wholesale conversion to Orthodox Christianity in the 10th century.
@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810
@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 11 месяцев назад
@@r64g Ottomans were the descendants earlier than Russians. That is the reason why Ottoman is considered as "Third Rome".
@andrewbaldwin4454
@andrewbaldwin4454 11 месяцев назад
@@r64g That's probably going too far, but the conversion of Rus' to the Orthodox faith was a hugely important event. When Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, it became common to call it "The Third Rome" and Muscovites proclaimed that there would be no fourth, recognizing the importance of their link with Byzantium.
@doanhoangvan5009
@doanhoangvan5009 10 месяцев назад
It is really interesting to recognize Russia as the spiritual inheritor of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Eastern Roman spirit had, for so many ocassions, recovered from military defeats and territorial losses to the formidable Arabs and Turks. Great emperors like Nikephoros II and Basil II brought destruction to the once victorious Arabs while Alexios I, Ioannes II and Manoul I often defeated the Turks in battle. Successive Muslim empires completely failed to conquer the whole of Anatolia before the 1204 Crusader sack of Constantinople. Later, while the Eastern Roman Empire was allegedly conquered by the Ottoman Turks, the Eastern Roman spirit was revived and embodied by the Russian Empire which often massacred the invincible Ottoman armies. @@r64g
@robbeach1756
@robbeach1756 11 месяцев назад
Was in my element listening about Roman history. Thank you Tom Holland and thank you Freddie Sayers for hosting this event.
@theresewalters1696
@theresewalters1696 11 месяцев назад
Interesting take through modern eyes.
@rachelbassett4942
@rachelbassett4942 11 месяцев назад
Tom Holland is the best teacher, could listen to him all day 😊
@spudspuddy
@spudspuddy 10 месяцев назад
very good historian, can't look at him though, makes me feel sick, weird creature
@marty9011
@marty9011 11 месяцев назад
That was so interesting & stimulating. Much food for thought.
@lancejohnson8388
@lancejohnson8388 11 месяцев назад
Thanks to the friendly neighbourhood historian Tom Holland, with great knowledge comes great pedagogy.
@paddington56baer
@paddington56baer 11 месяцев назад
Unherd - incredibly good as always! The question I asked myself listening to Tom Holland: Were all these sexual practices really typical for ALL Romans or were they just demonstrations of power by the elite, the senators, the very rich?
@paulantonio740
@paulantonio740 11 месяцев назад
I asked myself the same question.
@neilreynolds3858
@neilreynolds3858 10 месяцев назад
They're typical of humans.
@LadyBug1967
@LadyBug1967 10 месяцев назад
​@@neilreynolds3858NO u speak of yourself and more importantly for yourself . I hope you're either in the upper echelons are in prison because if you are not your wolf encounter problems in this life and definitely in your future life
@johnricercato740
@johnricercato740 4 месяца назад
@@LadyBug1967’wolf encounter’ - yes, that’s pretty weird…..
@nickvassiliou9340
@nickvassiliou9340 11 месяцев назад
Simply fascinating ! Keep it up Mr Sayers (and team)! The refreshing canopy of genuine knowledge!
@elenahelen8958
@elenahelen8958 11 месяцев назад
This has been my first introduction to this brilliant scholar and I have been listening to his podcasts ever since. @Tom Holland, if you by any chance read these comments, here is a suggestion for the topic of your next tome: A study of the saints of the British isles up to the grand schism of the churches. I may be wrong, but I do not think an academic work of Holland's calibre exists. This of course, would include Saints Columba, Cuthbert and Patrick. Just putting it out there😊
@dimitrikorsakov2570
@dimitrikorsakov2570 11 месяцев назад
This was wonderful and fascinating! Especially the part about the cycles of decadence and resurgence of martial virtues.
@AgeofPC
@AgeofPC 11 месяцев назад
Some parts of what he said can be summarized by something I was saying for years now - Christianity was the wokeness of the ancient world. I see now more and more historians catching on, which is great.
@thinking7667
@thinking7667 9 месяцев назад
How?
@vaska1999
@vaska1999 10 месяцев назад
Tom Holland's Dominion is superb. Looking forward to reading this new book, too.
@zgobermn6895
@zgobermn6895 11 месяцев назад
Outstanding conversation!
@susansmiles2630
@susansmiles2630 11 месяцев назад
Excellent discussion!! Thank you.
@jasminealixandranorth
@jasminealixandranorth 11 месяцев назад
Fascinating! Thank you!!
@edwardevans5194
@edwardevans5194 11 месяцев назад
This was sheer pleasure 😊
@gloriarudolph4285
@gloriarudolph4285 11 месяцев назад
Amazing. Well done!
@celt456
@celt456 11 месяцев назад
Totally fascinating, and christmas presents (the book, Pax) sorted - many thanks!
@fbinformant
@fbinformant 11 месяцев назад
I think Tom is wrong about how different sex practices are between the Romans and the modern west. I would argue that in many places there are striking similarities. For example, the sexual dynamics within prison culture or amongst the top echelons of power (which we blatantly see with people like J. Epstein, the international sex trafficking market, etc.) But the general population is either unaware or willfully ignorant because it's uncomfortable to face.
@user-vd7tq5rp9x
@user-vd7tq5rp9x 10 месяцев назад
Humans do not change much in these areas. 😂😢
@LadyBug1967
@LadyBug1967 10 месяцев назад
FB I beg to differ. Tom has a very nuanced and very subtle view of these issues and what he's reflecting upon is that the public in America-- if they viewed what the public in Rome viewed --they would find it disgusting and they would be sick to their stomachs. THIS is NOT to say that the elites , and those that mingle with them n do their dirty work like Epstein, who came from Jewish working class Brooklyn ( need I say more)but rose to prominence in terms of money due to his used by the US government to basically do KOMOROMAT-- the Russian way of controlling people. In like sense prisons and those people in those prisons are similar to the upper echelons because the two extremes don't need to worryvif they're going to move from their position-- the lowest will stay in the lowest level the highest will stay in the highest level -- itis we middle-class who have morals and ethics and actually belong to usually a group that has ideas regarding what makes for good family life; a good place to raise children; a good place to prosper both spiritually and physically. I'm sorry if you missed a nuanced and in depth analysis by Tom Holland but perhaps you can reflect more upon it now
@chrismackenzie4789
@chrismackenzie4789 11 месяцев назад
Great discussion
@shakthidhasan4544
@shakthidhasan4544 11 месяцев назад
Who would have thought that Spiderman was such a scholar. I suppose with all this power... he had to channel it somewhere in his free time.
@csk4j
@csk4j 11 месяцев назад
Amazing show!
@mannyespinola9228
@mannyespinola9228 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video
@frederiquecouture3924
@frederiquecouture3924 10 месяцев назад
PAX. How I wish I was able to attend your conference scheduled in September. Thank you for your video.
@judithjohnson5055
@judithjohnson5055 8 месяцев назад
I am particularly looking forward to his book on the 60s and hope it comes out while lots of us who enjoyed that decade are still here to enjoy the read!
@bcatcool
@bcatcool 11 месяцев назад
Tom - praying for you to personalise your amazing understanding of Gods work on earth in Christ. Also this show is always great. God bless
@shivabreathes
@shivabreathes 11 месяцев назад
Tom's indicated strongly in multiple interviews that he has significantly reconsidered and rediscovered Christianity through his work on "Dominion", so I think he's definitely on the path!
@user-vd7tq5rp9x
@user-vd7tq5rp9x 10 месяцев назад
Daft 😂
@richardlindquist5936
@richardlindquist5936 9 месяцев назад
Great guest and interview. I would have included Aurelian on his impactful emperor list, but what the hey. Thanks
@ensenqui
@ensenqui 11 месяцев назад
En la escuela nos enseñaban sobre los griegos y romanos su filosofia, obras como la Odisea o Iliada que uno tenia que leer obligado. Pero nunca nos enseñaron al Jesus hiatorico y la gran influencia del cristianismo. Porque no? Gracias a este historiador estoy aprendiendo mucho.
@christopherflux6254
@christopherflux6254 11 месяцев назад
I’m imagining Vitalious in a Wigan rugby league shirt and the crowds chanting “Who ate all the pies?”
@games-do9gt
@games-do9gt 11 месяцев назад
One guy wanted to start off with a 68 but the other guy wanted to start off with a nevermind.
@paulwhetstone0473
@paulwhetstone0473 11 месяцев назад
????
@games-do9gt
@games-do9gt 11 месяцев назад
@@paulwhetstone0473 69
@rosschristopherross
@rosschristopherross 11 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@ElliottHall
@ElliottHall 11 месяцев назад
at 28:43 "so he's literally trying to turn this person into a woman." - Freddie Sayers "and of course, you can't do that." - Tom Holland ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kMBAHfN9dh4.html
@HamilcarBarca-jm3ey
@HamilcarBarca-jm3ey 10 месяцев назад
An expression "like a man taking a shit". Classic! I know a few of those kinds today!
@Anon_E_Muss
@Anon_E_Muss 9 месяцев назад
When does this come out on audible? I just finished Rubicon and Dynasty. I need this one!
@yurigansmith
@yurigansmith 6 месяцев назад
Excellent discussion.
@dordagiovex9989
@dordagiovex9989 11 месяцев назад
emperors were needed to control senatorial aristocracy on behalf of the middle classes (among which, the legionaries).. senatorial aristocracracy went rampant at the end of republic (oligarchy) provoking several civil wars that almost destroyed Rome
@jamesayling8254
@jamesayling8254 11 месяцев назад
this is great
@scottwatrous7649
@scottwatrous7649 11 месяцев назад
The rejection by fascist institutions of the ethos of "... and the last shall become the first" is aptly pointed at as when the arc of the West, the former Christendom, bowed down. The key word is institutions, from the Latin. Those of my peers who love to say they are "spiritual" but don't abide "organized religion" know not what they are doing. They mock the Liberal Arts and decry the glut of MSW's as we visibly palpably descend. Mr. Holland is a fine example of a British scholar. I salute you and thank you Freddy for creating this forum. Regards!
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
World War 1 and 2 should be described era as 2nd Pax Romana in 20th century for weapons used were supposed to be for taxation for far prov inces or independent states of European and North American territories being governed by independent state governors whom governing highly skilled, educated, professional middle class workers.Weapons used by opposing groups if not destroyed have validity warranty or guarantee of 50, 100 or 150 years before it will be upgraded.
@jonesalex565
@jonesalex565 11 месяцев назад
Been saying we need a Vespasian for years. Boris wasn't one. Quite clearly.
@thadtuiol1717
@thadtuiol1717 11 месяцев назад
Boris is a fat clown... so more Vitellus than Vespasian
@S_Edward_Burns_ArtsEditor
@S_Edward_Burns_ArtsEditor 10 месяцев назад
My thanks. Carry on!
@HiKasandra
@HiKasandra 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the discussion..the Roman empire does seem rather harsh..wonder if there's no other way for great civilisations to develop. X
@KD400_
@KD400_ 11 месяцев назад
All empires were harsh. What's ur point. And let me say that life was harsh back then
@louvinewilliamson3829
@louvinewilliamson3829 11 месяцев назад
Sounds like today
@Dionysos1453
@Dionysos1453 11 месяцев назад
Correction for the author to consider: Titus never ordered the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. A fire broke out amongst a final stand by rebels and Roman soldiers. Titus gave orders not to sack the Temple. Loot was taken after the fact and some Roman soldiers were out of control.
@shivabreathes
@shivabreathes 11 месяцев назад
Tom Holland is a treasure
@meljenkins2043
@meljenkins2043 11 месяцев назад
Two thoughts from this excellent presentation; how will “we” be understood in an equivalent future and is there parallel discussion in “China” looking at continuities?
@seanmoran2743
@seanmoran2743 11 месяцев назад
An American couple once asked me about the collapse of The Roman Empire re the troubles in their own country. I said you don’t have to look so far back, look to how Britain has mismanaged its Decline
@norski4052
@norski4052 7 месяцев назад
What great insight! Slightly rephrased: "French and Russian revolutions repudiated the institutions of Christianity and the Facists the core morality of Christianity e.g. The last will be first."
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
Italy and Germany looked like expanded notation size of Roman Colosseum center gladiatorial combat zones in World War 2.
@mackenshaw8169
@mackenshaw8169 10 месяцев назад
When discussing the terrible tale of Sporus Holland exclaims that the Romans were, "not like us!" However given the horrors of our age it would seem that were not so different after all.
@nathanngumi8467
@nathanngumi8467 11 месяцев назад
Word.
@damianranger6910
@damianranger6910 11 месяцев назад
I've read all of Tom Holland's. What a pleasure to see him interviewed. Thank you from Oregon!
@hughjass8430
@hughjass8430 11 месяцев назад
Oh look! Its Dominic Sandbrooks sidekick!
@kykywawa
@kykywawa 11 месяцев назад
Holy shit the description of Roman men and how they use their penis' is so fucking based lmao
@marcthomas3053
@marcthomas3053 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for this podcast. I would be very interested to know what Tom thinks the long term consequences, even to this day, the destruction of the temple in 70AD had?
@adamnoble1689
@adamnoble1689 11 месяцев назад
Thx
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
The first Holy Roman Empire devolution happened when Charles V divided his empire to his family members and retire to monastery. The first too empire devolution gave birth to Spanish Peninsular language language of Spaniards described as first class high grade absolute monarchy ruled by King Philip Ii and headquarter based is in El Escorial Palace.The palace was called to as ancient IMF where it stored heavy gold bars afterwards moved to treasure galleon ships or mobile banking vaults convoy by Spanish Warships.Spain was founder of mercantilism.
@seanmchugh6263
@seanmchugh6263 10 месяцев назад
Very good, that. Most enjoyable.
@chrisshattock9916
@chrisshattock9916 11 месяцев назад
Great. Where can I get a "Barbarian" T-Shirt?
@MrB0g
@MrB0g 11 месяцев назад
👀 me, watching this from Romania, contemplating our existence
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
Mediterranean Seas domain of governance were expanded by King Philip II during the last tail era of Roman empire in 15th century and precious assets of King Phil II were the Spanish Armada whom he inherited from Charles V- Holy Roman Emperor for oversees exploration.
@danesovic7585
@danesovic7585 11 месяцев назад
I could have listened two more hours of this.
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
What amazed me was that the kingdom of king Philip II was not yet started untill now in 21st century.
@thornil2231
@thornil2231 10 месяцев назад
I love learning about History. Here is my take: There are two periods one should learn thoroughly: The Roman Empire and the Third Reich. Everything else is just of version of those.
@kevwhufc8640
@kevwhufc8640 10 месяцев назад
Third Reich only lasted a few years The Roman empire lasted over 2000 ,
@Shimra8888
@Shimra8888 10 месяцев назад
Interesting point about Rome and China.
@kynismos
@kynismos 11 месяцев назад
Vespassian was a great emperor.
@George-bi8sj
@George-bi8sj 11 месяцев назад
Ancient Rome sounds like Hollywood.
@johnl5316
@johnl5316 11 месяцев назад
One of the inventors of fascism, Mussolini, said that he recognized US President Roosevelt, as a fellow fascist
@meljenkins2043
@meljenkins2043 11 месяцев назад
Trusting Mussolini?
@jeandevalette8860
@jeandevalette8860 11 месяцев назад
Well, Mussolini was the leading Marxist in Italy for most of his life and claimed that his theory of Fascism arose from his Marxism, so perhaps there is some sort of throughline to the beliefs of Roosevelt.
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
First Pax Romana took placed during Roman times and capital should be the Mediterranean Seas because it solved Roman problems of mobility from one territories to another for empire governance.
@teutonictosh
@teutonictosh 11 месяцев назад
What a guy!!
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
Pro consul job title claimed and given to Julius Caesar of Rome failed when he crossed the Rubicon River.He was assassinated but pro consul job title claimed and given to Napoleon of France effective when he crossed Moscow Kremlin Russia,he survived, lived and get back to France alive.
@kevwhufc8640
@kevwhufc8640 10 месяцев назад
Leaving behind many thousands of his men , killed in action or starved or frozen to death, While the the great napoleon abandoned his men & ran away from the Russians
@norski4052
@norski4052 7 месяцев назад
Anyone else confused when Tom says Romania doesn't exist?? It is between Greece and Ukraine
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 11 месяцев назад
What a gorgeous venue! Does anyone know the name of the place?
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 11 месяцев назад
Ah, answered my own question - the Unherd Club in Westminster. Who’d have thunk it?
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 11 месяцев назад
Tom Holland as brilliant as ever, this was both stimulating and enjoyable to watch/listen to.
@briankelly5828
@briankelly5828 11 месяцев назад
A fascinating and illuminating discussion. The point about the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem is very interesting but I think it is worth noting that the Jews (not simply the Judeans) had a distinct identity already in the Empire, being a religio licita that did not sacrifice to Caesar: further they were dispersed throughout the empire a d posssessed their own identity, books and synagogues to reinforce their religious identity, unlike the other nations. I thjnk Tom Holland needs to interact more with scholars of first century Judaism. He is of course always a great writer to reckon with and you learn new things from him
@caro1ns
@caro1ns 11 месяцев назад
"What beasts these Romans be!"
@KarlDMarx
@KarlDMarx 11 месяцев назад
Vespasian "has an expression like a man straining for a shit" => pecunia non olet. A pissoir (also known in French as a vespasienne) is a French invention
@progressivelibertarian2570
@progressivelibertarian2570 11 месяцев назад
Amazing!!
@46metube
@46metube 11 месяцев назад
All very interesting, but what did the Romans ever do for us?
@richardc861
@richardc861 11 месяцев назад
Tourist destination in Rome
@sleepygrumpy
@sleepygrumpy 11 месяцев назад
Tom is outstanding and UnHerd was an instant sub for me
@KD400_
@KD400_ 11 месяцев назад
U don't have to be a historian to understand that we are seeing the west collapse much like rome did. Empires rise and fall. The empires reach their peak and then it just declines
@starnejme6902
@starnejme6902 10 месяцев назад
Metatron history channel speaks about Greece and debunks that being gay was open and condoned.
@pedrojamalserrano4008
@pedrojamalserrano4008 10 месяцев назад
U.S.A, Great Britain and Russia after World War 2 allowed Italy, Germany and Japan be war trophies(heavily commercialized the lands untill now) instead of combat zones or buffer zones with no people residing.
@kevwhufc8640
@kevwhufc8640 10 месяцев назад
After WW2 the USA and Russia carved up eastern Europe between themselves Britain had very little say ..
@TheDynamicmarket
@TheDynamicmarket 11 месяцев назад
1. don't build walls like hadrian. make the peoples in the empire and outside it equal. multilateralism and democracy. 2. let the relations between nations be like the ones between individuals in the west. a bank does not rule over my life and decide where i buy my guns and other stuff. neither does the social security administration does that. 3. limit the power of politicians to impose financial sanctions in international affairs. let the international market be free.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 11 месяцев назад
Sounds like Libertarianism, which unfortunately seems unable to get any traction in the western world.
@TheDynamicmarket
@TheDynamicmarket 11 месяцев назад
@@LTVoyager no, this is how my life looks like. politicians in e.g. the us cannot decide in which state in the us i do business.
@michaelh.sanders2388
@michaelh.sanders2388 9 месяцев назад
"They created a dissolution and called it peace."
@nathanhatch2398
@nathanhatch2398 11 месяцев назад
I am the direct descendant of Caesar... Is this a big deal to the whole of Europe?
@2msvalkyrie529
@2msvalkyrie529 10 месяцев назад
Lesson 1. If you allow thousands of immigrants - many of whom quite openly despise the host countries history and traditions - into your country then it's only a matter of time until social cohesion disappears. In Britain's case we have allowed hundreds of thousands !! A country that cannot control its own borders will eventually cease to exist.
@notlimey
@notlimey 11 месяцев назад
Pax is maintained today by military power too... an uncomfortable truth that we like to pretend is not a truth
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