Tom's Hardware, Just Buy It! MSI X570 Motherboards, Calls Hardware Unboxed "Trolls" 

Hardware community: "it's shit" MSI: "sorry, it's kind of shit, we'll make a better one" Tom's Hardware guy: EVERYONES LYING AND TROLLING

Are you lying? Stop trolling, just buy it.

So... Tom's Hardware is arguing with MSI's engineers themselves? The people at MSI were able to duplicate the problem, and Tom's thinks they know better than the people that work there?!

Tom's HW calls out HW-Unboxed and labels them as trolls. HW-Unboxed: So you've chosen death.

Tom's: "Liars!" MSI: "Well, actually Hardware Unboxed are exactly right..."

MSI redeemed themselves big time by stepping up and acknowledging they messed up. Anything less than that and I would have avoided their products for life

Steve, after years of helping people on the troubleshooting section of Tom's and being over ruled by super moderators that acted like infants who clearly were biased in terms of recommendations and felt like they were promoting products rather than genuinely trying to help ppl out i've given up on that website completely. The level of incompetence and shilling that goes on in their forums is just mind boggling.

Since the "Just buy it." saga. I haven't visited Tom's hardware site. I guess they are as good as dead for me.

I'm new to this channel and I might have watched around 50-60 videos and I like both this guys (Tim and Steve).....Genuine content and exactly needed information.

MSI's response was great, this is what we want to see from companies, that's how, even if you get a bad product, you can at least not lose all your trust to them again and actually consider buying from them again. Good job MSI good job.

_"So you met with the head of MSI's motherboard department, and they acknowledged your critisism? Wel we don't care, stop trolling and just buy it."_ *BUY IT*

I literally purchased a gaming pro carbon wifi + 3900x when they released. After watching your original video, I ripped it apart and drove an hour back to the shop I bought it from. I didn't pay $250 for a board that couldn't overclock, I struggled to get it to 4.3 all core (simply thought it was a bad chip). As soon as I got a new board (ASRock phantom) I got that same chip passing cb r20 at 4.55ghz with 8000 score to match. So sincerely thank you.

Tom hasn’t been at Tom’s Hardware in a while.. should be called “The website formerly known as ‘Tom’s Hardware’”

Maybe Tom's Hardware is hiring people from The Verge to do their hardware review.

Way back in the day Tom's Hardware was one of the go to sites for hardware reviews. Even though the site has managed to stay active when so many others have folded it is sad to see what it has become. Hardware Unboxed is a very good resource, keep up the good work and try not to let TH get under your skin.

You know there’s something wrong when MSI themselves don’t challenge the “rumours” but TomsHardware does

The only 'tool' in the Toms Hardware testing was the author.

19:12 - "they used the wrong tools for the job, in more ways than one". I'm choosing to interpret that as an excellent pun, intentional or not 😂 TomsHardware was seriously offside here and this was a great example of a calm, measured response on your part. Keep up the good work!

Tom’s hardware needs to get off his knees when he see’s an MSI rep and start spitting facts.

The fact he tried to attack your credibility is hilarious.

Watching Tom's Hardware for reliable information is like watching The Verge for proper PC assembly.

And don't forget that MSI themselves replicated the test conditions and got similar results...Tom's Hardware don't know what they're on about.

Tom's Hardware lately have a small problem with some their articles... "Just buy it" - that's how it goes there, isn't it?

So to give you an idea on how this concept aged. I bought a 3600 with a Aorus Elite x570 last year, October. I'm currently trying to get a 5950x. So yes, people do buy products with an upgrade path in mind. The beauty of pc building is that this is possible. One could indeed build as you go, once you have the starting parts.

10:14 I'm a Dev, more precisely a Game Designer, last year I paired a 2400g with x470 motherboard, why?? For the sake of fking upgradeability and budget restrictions at the time. The plan is simple, go for a 2700X/3700x/4600X whatever comes at the best price/performance during the summer. Just to add my 2cents with all the people that answered the pool, Toms has lost any reputation and credibility, even from the founder!

"Don't think, CONSUME." -Tom's Hardware

Love this kind of reporting; honest, transparent and dignified. Never seen Steve so 'agitated' but in the end he takes the edge off with a laughter. This channel deserves all respect for their work and integrity.

Calling the best hardware reviewers "trolls". Now that's rich.

Tom's Hardware has been a joke for many years now. They said the same thing about Nvidia's RTX cards. Just buys them, don't think about it.

“he who throws mud loses ground”

Dark times when a $200 board is considered "low-end" and tested as such or obviously shilling is being involved here, take your pick.

"When you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing? " And now this... Tom's Hardware has become a joke.

Tom's hardware is a joke. It makes me sad, because there was a time when they were the go-to.

"When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?" - Tom's Hardware

Given MSI themselves could replicate the results, are Tom's calling MSI liars and trolls too?

Tom's Hardware has always been biased and Intel fanboys, gave up following them 15 years ago, they are like the modern news media, not worth listening too ! You guys should ignore them and continue with the great job you do !!

Obviously Toms Hardware is at the very least on "The Verge" of Irrelevance

"We at Tom's Hardware believe High-end Ryzen is all lies, and we love seeing a motherboard that finally gives the fanboys and their over-hyped CPUs the garbage treatment they deserve. For your hubris, Tom's Hardware sentences you to throttling by VRM."

I know Toms Hardware as clowns since at least 2008. So many payed recommendations and shady testing.

In his opening line of the response he even CONCEDES that he "didn't recommend this board as a 3950x or 3900x- specific solution because [he] has serious doubts of its ability to power these through any level of overclocking."! The entire schtick of the x570 boards is that they are considered a premium, flagship sku - and therefore even the most basic versions should reasonably be expected to be at least on-par with their B450 and x470 counterparts at similar price-point. I feel like MSI's B450 Pro Carbon could handle a 3900x quite....handily. If you're stuck for content, there's a good one for ya. Pit the x570 Gaming X (or Pro Carbon Wifi) against the B450 Pro Carbon rocking a 3900x and see how the comparison is. I feel like it would demonstrate huge disparities in quality *from the same manufacturer*.

im sorry to hear Tom's Hardware hired the guy from the Verge :D

Grateful for this and other MB reviews. Saved me from a bad purchase. Waiting on an Aurus Master in the mail now, for a 3950x build. Shame Tom's hardware did themselves an injustice in the credibility stakes.

When Tom's Hardware called you liars and trolls, that right there is projection and deflection.

Says a lot about a company that’s willing to take the time to replicate test results, send a big wig down to have a meeting, and then accept the results and take all of that info back home and put their team to work to correct the issues. Much more then blaming AMD for general specs. Asus: 😳

Tomshardware is troll now, they were suggesting a person to buy cheap chinese pump for custom watercooling loop as the user was looking to get watercooling for cheap price, then i suggested to get 240mm or 360mm aio that will look better and will be much safer than going with cheap pump or get better pump if the user still want to go custom watercooling for cheap price. Then the mod who was suggesting cheap pump trolled me and banned me stating the reason that i was banned already and the banned was mistakenly lift. Even the actual tomshardware staff didn't punished the troll mod.

Yeah just buy it was always a great advise. But they recommend an i5 7500 over an R5 1600 with free OC, so what do they know?

Imagine being MSI, already tried their best in this situation, only to have some1 'advertise' their bad x570 boards for them. Feels like this Thomas is the actual troll here.

Props for taking such a reasonable approach while standing firm for us about what's right. Also I sincerely appreciate that you were clear up front about the interactions with MSI essentially clearing them of wrong doing apart from making a crap board. Thank you!

I love how even MSI themselves said 'yeah ok we messed that one up' but this guy seems to know better. 'Journalism' huh

When u call someone a troll while u r trolling is a genius move.

I bought one of these x570 boards and it literally CAUGHT ON F’n FIRE! Not even exaggerating. My board created a flame near the VRM’s when i tried to boot it. I have experience building PC’s, nothing was incorrectly configured, it just caught flames for no reason. I freaked out, unplugged it from power right away, got my 3900x tf outta there and switched to an ASUS strix x570. It works perfectly and i’ve never looked back since. I’m mainly just happy my 3900x didnt get fucked up. But i’ll never get another msi board again. Edit: it was the gaming edge wifi btw

Steve is using the same tone of voice he'd use for, "I'm not mad, just disappointed." 😄

FYI: Roman (der8auer) tested 11 X570 boards a couple of months ago and basically came to the same results.

I remember when Tom's was my go-to for reliable PC hardware reviews and testing. That was a LONG time ago. I'm glad we have channels like this to fill the void very well. Kudos!

This has helped me become a bigger fan of MSI. Everybody has some screw ups, some mistakes, some failures, but if you handle it like a true professional and put effort into doing better next time, that’s admirable.

"Just buy it"! No one takes TH seriously anymore. I haven't read a review there in a very long time especially since the nvidia fiasco. We trust true reviews. Keep on plugging HU. I love MSI and still buy their good products, that being said, I did buy the Asus Prime X570 P this round because of the thermal review you did. First time I havent used MSI in years.

I remember when Tom's Hardware was a respectable and trustworthy website, it's just sad to look at them now.

Steve: Here are our findings on this board Tom's Hardware:Don't ask questions just consume

Tom's hardware got rather poor over the years: the quality of content is low, malicious ads on mobile, articles comments disabled because people used to call out their nonsense claims.

Me: waiting for my new pc to arrive Also me: sees this video Me again: scrambles to check build list Still me: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Tom's calling X570 "entry level". ummmm, we've been waiting for B550 for a reason. even at $170, that doesn't make it entry level.

Since 'Tom' left tomshardware, that website has become an AD infested joke. Almost all of the reviews I've seen on there over the last few years I consider barely credable. (Edit, grammer)

Sounds to me like "Consume product, get excited for next product."

*Turns on system* *Waits 10 seconds* "Yeah these temps aren't bad at all"

so basically, don't use Toms Hardware when looking for accurate info?

it's been years since Tom's Hardware was reliable for reviews of hardware

Hotter environments exist ... yeah. As a European, I may confirm you that air conditioning is a concept that is mostly kept to cars and shopping centers and that my room hits temperatures between 35 and 40°C on hot summer days. Outside of the fricking case. The air coolers are probably trying to keep the temperatures cool in a 40 to 50°C environment at this point. If the VRM can't handle a 20°C environment, how will it work in this conditions?

I call Tom's Hardware went full "Verge".

Unprofessional people can always trickle their way into good organizations. Let's just hope they weren't hired on purpose.

Tom's Hardware died when the founder left and sold it...

“When you’re mostly after the basics in an X570 board, so you can spend more on the processor” Exactly why you don’t want the MSI board! Makes no sense! I wanted to be able to afford a 3900X so I opted for the ASUS Prime X570-P thanks to Hardware Unboxed excellent testing! Thanks guys !

The way 2 go:) 1:Jayz2cent 2:HU 3:GN/LTT

I still remember the time tom's hardware was known for its long deep dives and in-depth reporting. Sad to see a once-great site fallen so low again.

"They used the wrong tools for the job (in more ways than one)…" LOL that's LOVELY

I had the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi with a 3900x.... Benchmarks where bad, 10 Percent below average, and when i activated PBO, i had weird bootproblems, and often needed 2 or 3 Power cycles to acutally start my PC. After longer gaming sessions, the Rysen began to throttle down and i randomly started losing fps. Then i stumpled upon your test results and immediatly swapped the msi board for an gigabyte aorus master. Now everything is fine and my 3900x finally uses its full potential.

I didn’t know that The Verge owns Tom’s Hardware...

The quality of the work over at Tom's Hardware has been on a long steady decline, and I say that as a reader of their articles for around 15 years.

US fan here. You guys are the amongst the best reviewers out there. Keep up the good work.

Common Steve. They are the people who did the “Just Buy It” when Nvidia release the RTX cards.

You know you're dealing with a quality author when his opening line is "you disagree with me, therefore you're a troll" or he whines "I don't like what you're saying, therefore you're a troll", instead of engaging in dialogue to understand where differences of approach, opinion or results come from and to determine whether anything should be changed. For me, Tom's Hardware lost its way a long time ago, and seems intent on destroying its credibility. I haven't referenced them for anything serious in ages. Keep up the good work HU!

I have the X570 pro carbon wifi and I think it's awesome no heat issues whatsoever with the AMD 3900x and using the corsair h150i and the corsair stuffed into the Crystal Series 570X

My X570 Gaming Edge died within 3 weeks, sent it back and got the aorus elite

Tom's Hardware has Become the Verge 2020!!

Only seen this video today and funnily enough I have bought a Asus X570 TUF Gaming with a Ryzen 5 3600 specifically as I want to upgrade to either a 3900X or 3950X in a few years (or Zen3 depending on pricing). The setup does great for now and board and CPU are seriously solid for overclocking (4.3GHz all cores at 1.33V, as well as 16GB 3500MHz CL14 RAM at super tight timings at 1.45V). I would never have picked the MSI boards because of the detailed reviews I saw when I was making my purchase, so seeing Tom's Hardware posting this stuff scares the hell out of me as a consumer. TLDR; keep up the good work you guys, the consumers appreciate it!

*Tom's hardware calls Hardware Unboxed trolls* Steve: "I'm about to end this man's career"

the last 15 years Tom's Hardware is almost a joke, well still is

I remember the days when Toms Hardware was one of the most trusted sources for hardware reviews, times sure have changed. I also don't really get the hostility coming from this guy.

Hardware Unboxed said they will address Toms Hardware’s claim in a light manner... then casually rips them a new one and exposes them as a bunch of amateurs. TheVerge2020

So MSI was able to replicate your results right? So Toms Hardware is calling MSI liars too. LOL

I haven't used Tom's Hardware for years, it became apparent from reviews there that either they are monetized propaganda or very biased. Keep on doing your unbiased and fact based reviews and you will continue to prosper 👍

Translation from Tom: I really wanted to write a hit-piece, and since I couldn't make it work as a hit-piece against MSI, I had to find someone else to attack.

The fact that MSI have confirmed the temps, makes THW findings irrelevant.

I've owned a X570-A Pro since they came out and paired with a Ryzen 7 3700X. Really like it. No problems at all these months of use. I've used MSI in the past and continue to love their products. Ordered an MSI Gaming Laptop for my Granddaughter a couple of days ago.

I guess Tom's Hardware is slowly digging their own grave with the bad-mouthing again and again

Tom's Hardware: "You're just nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye"

I bought the Gaming edge then looked at your reviews and then posted it almost immediately on both Ebay and then later on r/Hardwareswap and got it sold then bought a better b550 from you round up and am way happier!

Tom's Hardware are being removed from my bookmarks. Great work

Remember the days when Tom's Hardware seemed to be a reliable source. Long gone.

As a new pc owner sitting on my second build I really enjoy this channel because I get to know which companies to avoid and where I can find informative content. At least, now I can know not to click on any Tom's Hardware information. I have to say, even as a new builder, as I have gone through multiple differing articles, I have noticed that Tom's Hardware does spread a very differing ideology than other forums with the whole don't think about it and buy it. Their forum actually led me to purchase the MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z and while it is a fantastic card I raised the question of differing rgb software and asked whether the software would have drastic differences and if I could make it look right. After much frustration I did get the rgb software to align well with my build but I wound up having to replace almost every other bit of rgb on my pc in order to do so and it made me wish that I had bought a more simple card rather than being worried about rgb, but as a new builder all I saw was rgb and was like, hell yeah! I can attest personally that the whole buy it and don't think about it ideology is going to be very damaging to the pc building community as a whole, because, if I hadn't been as tenacious as I was I would have just sold off everything and just bought another console and would have never been able to experience the joys of pc gaming. So that raises the question, how many individuals have they mislead far enough to a point that the individual gives up on pc building as a whole? Also, is troll their only form of insult. Not only did he call you a troll but he also called the gentleman whom expressed his opinion upon the fact that he felt that they were selling out with a response that he was a troll as well. Do they not know what a troll is? I mean I could easily raid their forums and show them what a true troll is.

All these poors who can't fork out 1200 for a gpu, make them go away!! -Tom's Hardware, 2018