Tom Wright - Imagining Eternal Life 

I am not a religious person, but I do like that there are different perspectives on this channel, which by the way, is one of my favorites

When I was younger I used to think eternal life would be great, but now that I am older I realise that if this happened that I'd die of boredom.

Tom Wright is a wonderful man and I wish you would have him back on the program.

Do who’s reality is it? I see myself as a young adult; my parents older; my grandparents very old... ...but my grandparents wants to see themselves as young and me as a baby... So are Everyone the same age; etc???

I think in non -religious terms, if you figure physical death is brain death-, that means an existence without physical memory. Just think of an Alzheimer’s patient. They are living in eternity right now with no past and the present moment is always as if it never happened before. They can’t get bored with the present moment because it’s always new to them

Thank you for interviewing such a heavyweight as NT Wright.

If God created this world with this much of open possibilities, how much more would the future life be? I like this insight and interpretation of Dr. Tom Wright. Very biblical indeed.

I got the distinct vibe that the interviewer desperately wanted to believe him, but, frankly, didn't believe a word of it.

"We are just a shadow of our future self, and there is a real ultimate you that God will give as a gift to you" I really like that.

Speculations, speculations, speculations!!!

I enjoy Tom's talks, although he would like everyone to join him in his belief system, he's never pushy about it.

How does he know what God said?

Eternal life starts here on earth, living in Eternal Life with the Father and the Son in the Kingdom of God here on earth for those that believe, not in religion but in the Relationship in Christ, 1 John 1:1-4.

What if I died at 2; what if I have brain damage; what if I proclaimed Jesus on my death bed after a life of vicious crime; why then did death part me from my spouse; what age will my love-self represent; is there language and communication in the realm of love; are all earthly senses withdrawn; whom will my love-self recognize........Come on with this silly bloviation. Where did you get this knowledge? Answer the real questions or try...

Another great episode! I love this series.

Amazing how educated men can blather away non sequiturs ad infinitum with no understanding of how meaningless they are.

Consciousness surely requires energy to occur. Through our physical form it takes calories. In fact on average our brains use 20% of our daily calories. In the spiritual realm surely consciousness must still run on something! 🤷‍♂️

My greatest fear with dying is the outsiders reference frame is different than the person experiencing it. From the outsiders perspective you die, are buried and eventually nothing of you is left. But what if the perspective of those experiencing death is different? What if it's like an eternal fall into a black hole? Forever frozen as time infinitely slows? It becomes the final thing your reference frame observes.

Wow, God wants everyone to be special and unique somehow. Tell that to the millions of suffering people , whether through disease, wars, violence, or famine. I can't stand these apologetic responses that somehow try to placate the brutal reality of living for many people on this planet for a perceived "better life" in some undisclosed fantasy world

Does bother me if ive an eternity behind and an eternity ahead ? I would still live the now. Btw i think a "no-time" level of consciousness is more probable, like the one felt by everyone who had an NDE.

The Eternal Life, is behind all and any imagination, 'the Imaginator', cant be imagined, cant be sensed, No one have seen the Living behind the Being. So, You have to 'look' after, 'Some' as cant be seen, 'in your self', so 'Far' and so 'Close'. The Eternal 'Here and Now', is the Eternity,, the Only Real Steady Point, in existence, the Living behind the Being, - Our Self.

That was accurate! Our future gifted self is closer than we know!

Perhaps Bishop Wright can explain this . Luke 14 verse 26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." In other words, you cannot go to Heaven unless you do a lot of hating. Jesus needed his head examined.

Religion is so powerful that it warps our minds into what we want to believe rather than what way the universe actually is. Highly intelligent people have been taken over by this madness. We are organic structures. We are born, we live, and we die. Nothing is eternal. We are so full of our own importance that we think the universe owes us eternal life. The only eternity is the concept of eternity.

A dreamless sleep to eternity “Now if there is no consciousness but only a dreamless sleep, death must be a marvellous gain. - Socrates in Plato’s Apology” Hence, Socrates concludes, there is no reason to fear death. It’s like sleeping, just without any dreams.

might there be dialogue in eternal life with God? about ones life and life in general? maybe also music, science, math, etc.?

If God is out of time, then by saying Let there be Universe he actually said Let all evils be as well. For Him Time (history) looks equally real (actual) no matter where from he is looking at it, there is no difference whether he looks at the entire history backward (from the last moment of the universe) or forward (from the first moment of the universe). So in "the moment" of creation He created everything because "the moment" of creation wasn't a MOMENT (an instance of some other kind of Time (Meta Time)), it was something else. But what that something else is, nobody knows. Because of that i doubt anyone can imagine Eternal Life, and if someone thinks Eternal Life is imaginable, let us know...

Eternal life is treated in the NT as though it were self-evidently desirable. The NT writers never consider the possibility that - like the Epicureans, for instance - some people might not want eternal life; that they would far prefer extinction at death, and oblivion or non-existence. Acts 17 points out that Paul's sermon at Athens did not persuade the Epicureans or the Stoics. Given that NT Christianity has as many holes in it as a colander, their response was reasonable.

The confidence of ignorance is astounding to me.

I like the idea of an eternal you.

Its impossible to imagine an existence where time and space do not exist. The question of "What do I do?" is meaningless.

Mary in Luke 1 verse 48 "Henceforth shall all nations call me blessed". Jesus in Luke 14 verse 26 " A man must hate his mother". Something odd here.

Eternal life is a beautiful. If you have an unlimited number of things to do.

Hm. OK. It's OK for Christians to admit that language is flawed and that the best it can describe is a fog when talking about heaven. Why, then, is it not OK to admit this about descriptions of God? Instead in Christian theology God is described clearly enough for followers to assert with confidence whose image of God is right and whose is wrong. If the best language can do is describe a fog then how can such assertions be made?

How can a perfect god create an imperfect human? If humans were perfect they would never sin. If they are not perfect then neither is the god who created them. If god is perfect then why does he need different covenants at different times. He issued one called the old testament and then another called the new testament. Did he get the first one wrong? If humans are all perfect then why are they all different? Why are some born with defects that will kill them before they've even had a chance to commit a sin? The concept of eternity is beyond human understanding. Our science tells us eventually the stars will burn out and the universe will be dark, cold, having nothing in it but the remains of what once was. Our understanding of the universe based on observation and rational conclusion is that all events are the result of cause and effect. Therefore free will is an illusion and in reality doesn't exist. Religion is based on circular reasoning. Truth is found in a holy book or scripture. They were written by men who are not perfect? If they were perfect than accounts of Christianity in the new testament would all read the same with no contradictions and no omissions. When you ask these questions to a cleric, he'll tell you "god works in mysterious ways." If you can't understand him then why try? Do I want to exist for eternity? No, that would be my concept of hell.

An eternal life cannot be conceived if we think that it will be lived with a human body. With its defects and limitations and without the wonders of the glorious body, which although it looks the same as the human body, was designed for immortality.

Hogwash speculation. It is not man made at the image of god but rather the opposite, gods made at the image of man. Yah! Keep imagine things to appease your fear of the death.

Christians believe that everyone who walked past Jesus in the street two thousand years ago, is now roasting in Hell, for not realising they were walking past the Creator of the Universe. Ridiculous.

I'll take Science please... rather than the politics of ancients...

EXCELLENT video Robert--this is the best rationalization of Eternal life by a guest yet! thanks for posting!

You have to give a gift first .....then you get your gift....in your context of relative consciousness of light energy.....robert your right....just new or finally get the news.......try 15 degrees

It is really about Eternal Awareness in your spiritual life after death... and so, it is about Eternal Awareness of a cold dark nothingness if your soul ends in hell, or about Eternal Awareness of all kinds of comfort and happiness if your soul returns Home/Heaven where boredom is non-existent. Kuhn, what you really missed is all the adventures and excitements that the youths have. To be eternally young is every one's dream full of happy energy. You have reached that senior age now where your sensories are getting duller every day so that imagining it to be eternal is really horrible... In Heaven, your soul is forever young....

What Paul is saying is, that our belief and trust in Jesus Christ is the way to achieve eternal life. The gospel is what Paul is saying.

I’ve never liked the idea of heaven. Being forced to worship God for all eternity and be grateful for it just isn’t appealing to me.

This man is spot on. We are the tentacles of our expanding universe. Our eternal part reports back for debriefing and reassignment with slightly modified perspective.

If you could imagine, God sending us back to the garden of eden for all eternity . At first we would think it's the greatest gift of all . Then after a 1000 years we would go crazy, facing the Horror of eternity !!!!!! Forever on planet earth !!! Eternity itself, eternal consciousness , created this universe , this planet and our lives . We are the vehicles that eternity lives in , to face the Horror of it's own eternal existence. Where else would Eternity spend Eternity.

And if you don't believe, you doomed to hell. Use of fear to control. Doesn't seem to make sense.

Wright's religious fantasy world is perhaps interesting, but like other theists, he is just making stuff up. A total waste of time really. Just make up your own magical world. Use you imagination, just like Wright.

Eternal existence? Boring. Enjoy your brief existence. Life only happens in the moment. Don’t waste it with memories of the past or imaginary future.

NTS 50

It will be the same experience but better. The earth will be different, Jesus will be king and people will be doing what we do now but without all the suffering and sorrow. Shalom

The Beatific Vision, a catatonic state of awe? That is not Catholic teaching.

NT Wright is great at making things overly complicated. He can bloviate for hours without even once presenting the clear gospel of Jesus Christ. The truth is that death leads to heaven or hell, and the only way to heaven is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross to pay for the sins of the entire world (John 1:29) and came back from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4). He did all of the work necessary to purchase our salvation, and all He requires of us is that we trust in Him. The moment we believe in Jesus for His free gift of eternal life, we are saved forever (John 5:24). Salvation is not dependent one iota on our performance; rather, it's based on Christ and HIS finished work on the cross of Calvary (John 19:30). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I3A5mXtS9Lc.html

Tom talks word salad….

This is how I think of Heaven, also. I loved listening to him. "The people we become in the present will mean much more in God's future." 3:13

Life after death is just a paradox. BS upon BS

"Imagine eternal life". Go ahead. Now, imagine a clean smelling Bhagfoot.

Yeah so how does any of this make sense to the fact that if all is flawed then he is he so perfect? You can't use flawed then say God is love goodness caring forgiving empathetic etc etc.

Draw near to God and God will draw near to you 🙏

Lol..a man can talk of what’s in god plan and intentions..as usual abstract sales talk in a religious language…

Eternal = Carnivore

There is a hell coming to this place we call earth to the likes the human mind can't even comprehend. People think it's bad now or has been bad humanity is about to witness a hell beyond what there imagination could ever dream up.

Cristhian faith is ways to believe Etrnal Life. Nobodody knows Eternal Life in Science, philosophy, phisch. He beileve it idbad ways because vê show up reason. He reasons are , so baseless words.

If we still posses light and warmth after we drop the clothing of this physical plane...we become a bundle of light and warmth called a star shining in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). Good (god) knows every star by name. If we extinguish our light and warmth (love) with "greed" and it's ignorance (hate)...we become the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars. A very cold, dark, desolate, lonely place to be for eternity.

Any proof of god yet? Nah. Hey how about this theory? Our world is just a single molecule among millions of molecules that make up the fart gas the god I believe in produce when he eats too much cheerios. And this god I believe in happens to be just a molecule among millions of... and so on.

From the Christian point of view, humans are the literal *"offspring"* (children/progeny) of the Creator of this universe (created in its image). So, what that suggests is that we are each imbued with the capability of creating our own universe (out of the fabric of our minds) just as the Creator of this universe has done with its mind. Thus *"eternal life"* (in a higher form, in a higher context of reality) is what is necessary to achieve such a goal.

The only way to progress life is, by giving life. Jesus gave his life for all, that one shouldn't perish ,but whoever believes in him shall have eternal life.

Imagining Thermal Live = Live Thermal Imaging and many other useless bla-bla-bla.

There's no boredom in the new heaven.

NT Wright is great. But really it’s the great mystics that’s give the best hint of what’s to come.for those who get to heaven. Read St Teresa of Avila or even St John Bosco 40 dreams book. Even in scripture there eternity is seen as a life of enlarged and a responsible kind of glory. It says it is to reign. To be over and to exercise reigning. Plenty to do because we will be far greater in our being. AMDG.

Utter tripe

The brain can be quantified, weight, length but could you measure a mind?

"sinking into some form of homogeneity" is a stretch - Why don't you see that "ocean" as the lifegiving orchestra that it is? It seems that you conflated a couple of opposing concepts. e.g., Communist Chinese pride themselves on their ability to read symbols in the same way - all 1+ billion of them go to the same mental referents given any one symbol. THAT is banal. It is a real-life Borg community. And the government is their god and their guide. Whereas an ocean is teeming with diverse life - and the image of god is not an anthill on its own - but the orchestra of "strings" in all their - not just harmonics - but all frequencies - Can you imagine it?

This guy has too much imagination. He is tossing a salad bowl (Just guessing)

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Pure crap.

God don't have the throne God father has the throne ,the mother of all diva mother nature is the mother of all gods she is the mostly power thing in the sky universe her name is zorak Zora the queen of all thrones she is half human half aliens half monster half bird that where we get are feet from she is also the Greek God of mother of all she has the more power then all of them cause she get her power from her knowledge not power from her hands she like profession x of xmen with the blad head and has power unlikely

I don’t want to live forever. I’d take a few hundred if I could stay healthy, but eternity is too long

I can recall beautiful childhood memories as if they took place a moment ago. I would like to think eternity is very much like that.

those whom have Near Death or Out of Body Experiences describe a blissful journey filled with light and love and some sort of "spiritual" evolution, or an evolution of consciousness beyond the body. those whom have the experience are 1000% convinced they saw the afterlife. and there's much research out there to support this. so my fear of death is not so bad anymore.

There's no evidence for death essentially.

I don't fear death, I just don't want to be there when it happens. (Woody Allen)

Eternal life is just a lot of now's!

Our lack of knowledge breeds endless. And obviously pointless, speculation on what happens after we disconnect from this reality. But, you have to die to find out the real story. 🙄 Religion is probably the most ego centric concept mankind has ever come up with.

On February 2, 1512, Cheif Hatuey of the island of Hispaniola. was tied to a stake and burned alive at Yara, near the present-day City of Bayamo.[4] Before he was burned, a priest asked Hatuey if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. Las Casas recalled the reaction of the chief: [Hatuey], thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes... The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people. I don't believe their is any validity in the Christian version of Heaven or Hell. Thats a good thing, because if their is, not many Christians I know would be going to Heaven.

Merging in the ocean of reality is just the impersonal vedic conception of eternity. According to the vedic personal conception there's a spiritual sky with spiritual planets where eternal life is ever variegated, fresh and new.

Are you alone right now? Look at your right are there someone sitting there? If not you will become just like that someday basically 'you' didn't exist

How do you know it's not eternal if it's your last thought? How is total oblivion not peace?

So...he's dodging the questions with word salad.

God's choices are meaningless, because his omniscience is the ultimate spoiler. You the fuck-up or you, the Saint, are known by god as first principal, and your "participation" means nothing at all. It that sense, the universe is deterministic. Life simply unfolds.

Imagine eternal life. That takes imagination. Like this old age Peter Pan says.

I love the way he ended with "we can only imagine... there's no way eternal life can be interesting

The "Resurrection" of Jesus makes no sense. According to the Gospels hundreds of dead people were raised from the dead. Lazarus was one, and according to Matthew 10 verse 8, the disciples were performing this miracle on a regular basis.. In Matthew 8 verse 22 Jesus thinks that dead people can pick up shovels and bury dead people. In Matthew 27 verse 53-54 many dead people were raised from the dead and marched into Jerusalem. The biggest miracle is that billions throughout the ages have believed this nonsense.

Ten minutes of this conversation is just not enough! I'm a Christian, yet the concept of eternal life is... terrifying. This conversation gets the closest to addressing my fears. I got a little sense of peace from his perspective and interpretation, but I want more.

Jesus did not believe in a Life after Death, since he tried (unsuccessfully) to raise people from the dead. No point in trying to raise Lazarus from the dead, if Lazarus was already in Heaven.

Imagine eternal cats

So you end up in heaven and everyone you thought would make it with you does not, you're left scratching your proverbial head and asking... what did I do right?

Christianity has a massive problem. If Jesus was the " Saviour of the world" it is inexcusable that he did not appear much earlier in human history .

I do not understand a word of any of Bishop Wright's videos..

Whether God exists ??????????