Tomb Raider on the Nintendo Game Boy Advance is incredible | MVG 

Let's not forget no 3d hardware capabilities, so it's all software rendering on a 16mHz(?) CPU? Insane.

Didn't it have the NEON SIMD extensions? That's had float math support.

At a guess it's probably lookup tables or something. Or maybe they could do something with fast multiply? You could sacrifice portability with some assembler, but it seems this openlara is an implementation for many platforms, so I don't know if that could work.

gba is literally just an arm snes, it's really impressive considering that star fox needed a seperate chip to render in like 10 fps or something on snes

Small amounts of ram yes, but you can put lots of look up data on the ROM. Dunno how fast the ROM is though, probably pretty fast.

Man, we need such things making a comeback in form of integrated pieces into game engines... Maybe then it will be more widely adopted.

In a way game devs care, being forced to come up with optimizations and work arounds lead to more creativity. But without needing to, they don't bother because they're overworked as is and if everything just works anyway why stress. However, this is why many people are deemed Nintendo Loyalists, because their systems do need optimization still and have some pretty amazing games as a result, and not simply porting the PC version on low settings. The story about what became XenoBlade (at least the one I heard) is arguably one of my favourite examples despite being over 10 years old

That's why I Adoooore Nintendo: They. FORCe optimization. :D I love em so much or it.

It's a bit of a shame that going this deep takes so much effort that it can't be used in commercial games.

The Game Boy Advance was essentially used as just a SNES emulator. If only developers were down to write games in assembly it could have been so much more 🤷‍♂️

"I'm sorry, Mr. XProger, you are overqualified, for all of our jobs..."

LOL. "I'll make sure you NEVER work in the games industry, you HEAR me boy!?! ( for embarrassing my entire company like this)"

😂😂😂😂

I hope the ubisoft exec was wearing an eye patch and spoke with a thick texas accent before firing several shots towards mr xproger

Do you have two to five years experience? No? We don't care if you programmed Tomb Raider to run on the GBA. Next!

there was a Wing Commander game on GBA? there should have been one on Original Xbox

The legend lon 🙌

I presume you are talking about Raylight and their software based 3D engine called Blue-Roses 😉 ⚃⬜⚀ Yes, the company have developed some of the most impressive 3D games ever made for the console. Unfortunatly some of them (like Street Racing Syndicate) are really too ambitious for the console 😅

Yeah, but the same thing can be said about a lot of games, I'm pretty sure the original Crash Bandicoot would work on GBA if the characters were turned into sprites. The GBA's low-res screen combined with the static camera angle would've made it hard to notice.

@@nickm5419 There was ! It was pretty good too all things considered - solid space combat.

It's actually undergoing a renaissance of sort lately. I notice more and more young people getting into low level programming. I guess things like retrogaming and speedrunning which is popular with young people make them more interested in understanding and writing assembler code.

@@joey199412 From my experience, people in professional developer roles are influenced away from low-level due to time/demand requirements and a culture of 'using the same tools that we pay for as everyone else'. The more home/hobby development you see grow with young people, the more you'll see people trend towards it, especially when so many first pieces of advice are 'build an NES emulator'.

It depends on where you develop software. In the embedded realm it's still alive and well and I still use it very frequently. I'd much rather program everything in assembly than anything else.

Coding is assembly isn’t that bad at all, it these crazy optimizations that some people come up with that it truly genius.

@@ZygalStudios What's the benefit of using assembly, if a higher level language is a viable option, other than bragging rights? Assembly has an inherent disadvantage in readability. It takes a lot longer to comprehend something written in assembly than a higher level programming language like C++. I'm thankful that I don't have to use assembly on modern hardware and even more so that I don't have to read it.

[insert wumao screeching]

Oh shit it's the man!

CCP has entered that chat

Don’t forget Lao ganma

Love your videos Laowhy86!

That's so cool. I wish more of my family were acquainted with video games.

Has she ever beaten any Tomb Raider games?

@@deezy81She doesn't really play the game by herself, rather, we usually play as a team. We take turns playing the games often, especially when I was younger. She'd usually help figure out the puzzles (I remember one time that I didn't know that I could use the rope as a tight rope in Chronicles... we had no internet back then to refer to for guides heheh...). I wouldn't be able to figure it out myself back then if she didn't try to keep jumping / walking on the rope! I'd be the one making the difficult jumps and dodging traps. She usually leaves the boss fights to me though, and she usually figures out what part to try to shoot if I'm stuck 😊 Nowadays, we don't get to play as much as we used to since I work most of the time now and our PS1 no longer works. She likes Revelations and Chronicles a lot, and really likes the Old Mill part of Chronicles.

@@merlefi6162 Awesome, glad you have those moments with her.

What you can do is download a playstation emulator for her phone (assuming she has a smart phone) and then she can play the game there. All you would have to do is get some sort of controller because a touch screen really doesnt cut it for gaming.

Give me bottlenecks and limitations, and I'll give you miracles and results "

Imagine tossing that into Chromium and it's siblings (Google Chrome, Vivaldi, Opera, Electron, etc) Images how much performance there is to be gained...

Restrictions can be the pressure needed to turn the raw creative output into gems.

@@TheExileFox why bother with optimization when everyone has 8 core cpu's and 32gb of ram? I think it's down to the web being very bloated so browsers have to be bloated to support all the features, not to mention the extra features browsers tack on

"can it run cyberpunk77"

Some already do "can it run GTA 3". Or at least they used to before Take Two started being a prick

can it run crysis

Your sleeping farts smell of bitters

Projects like this give me hope

There are a lot of reasons web browsers aren't written like this. The main reasons are: 1. Modern web browsers are much more complicated than almost any video game. That's not because of lazy or careless developers; the technical standard for HTML is 1324 pages long, and that's not even the tiniest sliver of what a web browser has to support. 2. It's not feasible to "port" continuously updated software like a web browser. Instead, the vast majority of the code is written for all platforms, and a very thin compatibility layer is maintained for each individual platform. Fine-tuning code for particular hardware is rarely a consideration. 3. Web browsers are attractive targets for bad actors looking to find malware targets: they're ubiquitous, are always used with an Internet connection, and will automatically run any code they download. Because of this, they have to be extremely robust. Corner-cutting that might be appropriate for a video game is unacceptable in a web browser. But, most imporantly: 4. For everything they do, modern web browsers are _extremely_ fast - until they're forced to load twenty different tracking scripts and fifty different ad scripts, because the modern web is a garbage heap of bloat and bad practices!

@@curtmack Your awake farts smell of wafers and tea.

I've always seen this idea in gaming, limitation breeds excellence. Zelda Wind Waker has a cell shaded art style. it wasn't necessarily something the game cube needed as the cube was pretty powerful, but the cel shading allowed Nintendo to come up with excellent light models, color briliance, and small graphical details like dripping water and swaying grass. that game upscales brilliantly, even without the enhancements made to the HD version. The same could be said of developers who do stuff like this, brilliantly excising what isn't necessary to make a working full PS1 game on a gameboy.

Indeed this is amazing. Who knows, maybe there is something in the OpenLara GBA source code you might find inspiration on what to do next.

I am looking forward to your video on this game and your comments.

@@james2175 That's a good idea, I would love to talk about this.

Carmageddon 1 running on GBA would blow me away 😇👌

I have a small question for you. How hard is it to make a gba game? I'm going to guess there's not a GBStudio equivalent

Indeed, and this actually looks more faithful to it's respective game. Gonna have to download this and give it a go!

Yeah but doom hurts to look at on gba

But not really impressive. Why it should be. Doom runs on everything. XD Even on older snes and megadrive consoles that are less powerfull than the gba. (Even with the fx chip on snes.)

@@youtubekilledtrustedflaggi9274 Hmm. And Driv3r? Not the best game in general. But it looked awesome on the gba.

@@SONGOKU02 The GBA is a more playable and better looking port than the SNES port

That's because it was at the time.

@@joederbo6151 Though was the PC version better than the PS1 version at the time? I can't remember.

@@NaoPb Oh no, I just meant that at the time, this was the most powerful 3D rendering console in its day. PC has almost always been superior, except for a short time when the OG Xbox was released. But The PS1 was considered state of the art in 1994 and was considered HD back then. The same way 720p was still considered HD a few years ago. The standards just get higher with each innovation.

@@SpookySkellyGurl Where to start. The camera used may be HD, but the media captured isn't. It may be upscaled, but I'm unsure as it wasn't mentioned by the uploader, but that's something different in of itself. In 1994 the PS1 would have been considered HD as it was the most advanced, and only true 3D rendering console. Colour was only really a thing for a few years prior to its release, so this was a big step up. Of course by today's standards it isn't HD now, but remember that 720p was still considered HD a few years back.

For PS1, Tomb Raider looked fine for the time... but compare the first game with Last Revelation or Chronicles and it's amazing how-much more they could squeeze out. The Crash Bandicoot series probably have the best graphics overall though, as they literally use a scripted approach where they only draw the polygons needed based on where you currently are. But later 3D titles on the PS1 like Spyro, Bugs Bunny & Taz: Timebusters, Muppets Mad Monster Mansion and Jinx (Europe only) all looked really-good as they used the "Spyro approach" of removing textures off distant polygons and using gradient-shading instead to keep the framerate up, rather-than using "fog", as games like Gex and Croc 2 were still doing

And wastes ressources. If software was built by people who know their shit, people would not need to buy new devices every 2 years...

beautifully put

@@l3p3 that’s not a waste of resources they’re literally making it with expensive components that break easily so that you’ll have to buy more of the expensive components.

@@xxxhero7275 I do not get your point. Mine was that we would not need to toss away working devices just because mainstream software rejects its support for it.

@@l3p3 I was referring to the fact that you said that it’s wasting resources.Its not a waste for them to use cheap resources(or expensive resources) that break easily so you’d have to buy more parts from them,It makes extra money.it isn’t a problem I have since I know how to fix most technology(screens not included) but most people can’t and don’t have the time or effort to learn how.

check out the gba port for asterix and obelix xxl, i think that's what you're imagining.

I recommend checking the gba Tony Hawk ports, they actually play and look very well! also the Jet Set Radio port

There were many 3D games on the GBA. Most of the time they were ugly and sluggish. you can find several videos on YT that cover some of them if you want to hurt your eyes. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZNuS14pIOz0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y6QtoZcYhi4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w_-airevOwo.html

The N-Gage would have still kicked the shit out of it in terms of 3D performance... Tomb Raider on N-Gage looks and runs SIGNIFICANTLY better than this port.

they got better sound effects on a GBA cart than the bloody Saturn port has on CD!

@William On a machine that does audio and graphics IN SOFTWARE.

Speaking of sound compression methods, I think it was today that someone uploaded footage of a Symbian SDK (development kit) inside a Virtual Machine playing some music in AMR format... the entire 3 minute song accounted for 140KB or something crazy... and it sounds decent too, it has that cozy AM Radio feel to it

That and Super Mario 64 De-comp. It's running on DOS!

OpenLara on my pregnancy test ➕👈👀

Any Doom wads/maps running on the tomb raider engine?

But can it run Crysis?

@@BlueSatoshi The way the homebrew community is at the moment it wouldn't surprise me to eventually see games like Far Cry and Crysis running on PS1 and N64

dunno about that mate. The GBA was 32-bit and a LOT more powerful than the SNES or megadrive/genesis. GBA had basic 3d and many games look amazing on it and blow people away. I don't see how this is proof or even evidence that all the older consoles are capable of much more than we have already seen. Hate to naysay a feel-good type of remark but I don't see it.

@@RaniaIsAwesome What code do you write? Oh- none? Go figure you can't see it.

Next it will be GTAV on GBA lol

@@jeffstacy6636 My God! If that was possible that would be one of the most unbelievable things that ever came out of RU-vid.. The internet in general..

@@kenrickeason That would be some Guinness Book of World Records level shit

Resident evil 2, 3d on gba proto exists and virtua fighter 2012

Omg same! I wanted that damn game so badly and was obsessed with reading up about it as a kid.

Wasnt there an alpha rom leak for that one somewhere?

@@kurosan9712 Yep, I've played it.

@@DeathBringer769 what's it like?

@slam slam Portable version of full Tomb Raider experience would have pleased an immense amount of people back in the day. Of course it's less powerfull if it's portable

Tomb Raider 1-5 on NDS would have been possible back then and such a bliss!

@slam slam LOL, but this clearly plays pretty well. I'm not just guessing, I *KNOW* this would have sold *VERY* well back in the day.

Doom isn't a big deal on GBA because GBA is much faster to render BSP's than Primitives,. But on a printer, Idk

The video said it was using the PC assets

@@IRMacGuyver What are you talking about? The Dreamcast port uses PSX disc, I am not talking about this GBA port which uses PC assets.

Tomb raider open lara project on dreamcast runs at 480p 60 fps which is incredible

@@BFKAnthony817 I assumed you were talking about the same basic thing as this one just the dreamcast version

@@IRMacGuyver Well I am, the Dreamcast version of OpenLaura was made by HiStat but he chose to use the PSX version for assets. But today megavolt85, the person who "ported" the Atomiswave games to Dreamcast compiled the latest version HiStat made the other day, but he is making it use the PC assets now and it is looking much better and running great too. So hopefully in the next few days we get a better version to play with full CDDA and PC assets with working FMV and no more glitched textures on Laura. This will also mean that there is not a limit on mods that can be made with it. Previously you had to convert PC mods to PSX format to run in this version, and it was limited to 14 levels or rooms as they call it. Now we can go up to 20 levels or rooms. So a lot more can be done with it thankfully.

@medgidia05 Hello!

Well, it's a PS1 on the go with SNES sensibilities.

In retrospective, it definitely wasn't a PS1 on the go. A couple of PS1 games on a GBA doesn't make it like a PS.

The PSP is almost a PS2 on the go

@@unisonproto kinda only some of psp games look as good as a PS2 game like daxter

I was around back then, got a GBA and later a GBA SP at launch. I remember kids more thinking the GBA would be like a SNES on the go, with a bit of extra oomph, and later the PSP would be the actual PS1 on the go. Also, I remember my friend, when the Nintendo DS came out, making fun of it and saying he would wait for the more "mature" PSP to come out later. Funny how console wars always become a thing with kids. But yea, I always viewed the GBA as more of a SNES on the go, and then later the DS as an N64 on the go, with the benefit of coming out later and having newer technological tricks to utilize despite being handheld.

i remember downloading that in like 2006 and it blew my mind! so much demoscene stuff was incredible. thanks for jogging my memory with that name

Asterix and Obelix runs smoother, has wider areas and no one gave a shit. So no, I don't think being impressive alone would've been enough because let's be real, as impressive as this is, does it look prettier than Minish Cap? Or play smoother than Mario?

I never bought a GBA back in the day decayed it was so limited compared to a PC; this coulda changed my mind.

@@julianx2rl Yah, but, in fairness… A&O used sprite-based characters, there’s some weird texture warping, and, on a non-technical level, A&O ain’t going to draw numbers like Tomb Raider. On a positive note, O&A has so much colour and a much busier environment - it is really impressive.

It probably would have completely changed the expectations people had for GBA game fidelity.

@@julianx2rl You have no idea what you're talking about because you're too young. I remember when those games were released and media were hyping up GBA vs Nokia N-gage showdown when it comes to their respective ports of Tomb Raider. It was huge. It was "big" game for the N-gage, pretty much system seller level and one of a few reason why some people chose it over Nintendo console. Simply because Nintendo made a mistake making 2D game on a new engine other than plain simple port of the game like on N-gage. We thought it was due to it being impossible to make on GBA which couldn't handle 3D that well. It turns out it was possible all along. Especially with huge studio involved. 1 guy proved that it's possible. Some official GBA games have worse performance than this demo lol.

No

@@Einar730 yes

I don't know what V&D is supposed to stand for. I assume a studio, but I'm really not sure.

@@FFFan3445 IIRC, it's the studio that did Asterix and Obelix XXL, Driver 3 for GBA, and Ironfall Invasion. They also worked to some capacity for Ubisoft at some point IIRC

VDDev was a really good balance between performance and graphics. You should see Raylight's GBA games and tech demos though. They really pushed the 3D on the system. Smashing Drive is a really good example. Here's a side by side I found of the GBA and GameCube versions of Smashing Drive. - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xQpTOgE7QDE.html

Agreed, if we had just known it was capable of that back then

Hey there!

@@mitsuvolts03 Hi. Fancy meeting you here of all places.

Indeed. Either Driv3r or Asterix & Obelix XXL were their most technically impressive games on the GBA, and they used pre-rendered 2D assets for their characters, vehicles and items, while still also running at an average 15 fps. This Tomb Raider port sports both a fully polygonal Lara and evemies (with, I'm assuming, the same polycount as their PS1 version counterparts). It's mindblowing that this can even run at a semi-decent framerate.

@@KittyMeow1984 Their port of V-rally 3, it´s amazing too. And unlike Driv3r GBA, it has actually good car physics and nice gameplay

Nor does the Asterix & Obelix XXL

Or virtua fighter 2012

@@rustymixer2886 what ?

@@GanerioAditya a guy started working on full 3d virtua fighter on gba in 2012, look like this and you can control camera, have 360 matrix affect after hit etc

@@Snowpiercer2 that game is spectacular looking. Unbelievable game running on a GBA.

Doom on the PC needed 4MB of RAM I seem to recall, yet it still got ported to the GBA and even the lowly SNES (128K + 64K RAM) which really was a miracle. But Tomb Raider is a later, more technically impressive game due to the fully 3D engine. This version is amazing and the best looking/playing (& sounding?) 3D game on the GBA. These older consoles had one thing a PC did not: access to fast "read-only RAM" (AKA ROM) meaning the cartridge itself. This is how they could do so much with so little RAM. Also DOS had an artificial limit of 640KB not 1MB, hence all the extenders you mentioned. We can thank Bill Gates for this, since "640K should be enough for anyone"...

My guess is they just stream the textures from the cartage, the bandwidth is sufficient and there is really no conversion needed. The cartage is also true random access.

@@sl9sl9 I think you can run it on 3 MB of ram, but almost nobody had that. The issue is that if you load high, you pretty much lose 640kB of ram, and if you have drivers loaded high (that was pretty common at this point), you lose even more

Also dos4gw lets you use 32 bit instructions and a flat memory model where you don't need to worry about segment registers.

GBA CPU can directly read from ROM, moreover, it gives an advantage like zero-time levels loading!

Imagine all the money they could've get if it was released back in 2001. Like everyone would've talk about that one console game you can play on your gba.

@@michaele1654 Metal Gear Solid GBA is what I'm waiting for.

The studios might have plenty of money, but money can’t buy time, and the money would be limited in a game for this platform.

This is actually excessive work for a game studio. This is years of development. Most studios that made games for the GBA had 13 months to complete their games with an average number of 6 developers per game. So yeah you are asking too much.

@@michaele1654 Man sorry to disappoint you but... The GBA's 32-bit ARM CPU is actually way way more powerful than the SNES's 8-bit CPU (yes the SNES didn't have an actual 16-bit CPU only a 16-bit graphics chip). The problem however is that the GBA had only CPU and everything was made through software. While the SNES had dedicated graphics and sound chips. However the GBA's low resolution screen is actually something that made this port easier.. Because SNES games were 240i while the GBA had a 160p screen.

I'm still wating for Atari 2600 port

It reminds me of south park where they try communicating with the internet digitally again.

Not really though is it? Looks like a GBA game, so is a compromised port running as well as it can with current optimisations. Hardly an impossible port given that it was ported.

No it doesn’t have the frame rate of the PS1 version, but that’s not the point. Tomb Raider wasn’t ever designed to run on the GBA architecture. As a technical achievement, this is nothing short of phenomenal.

@@X22GJP I'm pretty sure "Impossible" Port is just a hyperbole... It's a technically respectable port though. It's always a treat seeing someone come up with clever design when presented with a constrained environment. Is this mind blowing? Maybe to some people, but I certainly think it's worth discussing and appreciating.

It’s because developers use such high level methods of creating games these days. Now instead of optimising the code they just throw more resources at it for a marginal performance boost. Back in the day, programmers couldn’t just throw more power at the game so they wrote their entire game in assembly language (literally telling the CPU exactly what to do) as this would result in a smaller, faster game than if they wrote it in a higher level language and let a compiler manage it for them. The level of optimisation that devs did on old hardware was extreme; every line of code matters with hardware as limiting as this. Games aren’t made that way anymore, and they aren’t created to run as efficiently as it would take decades to create games to the scale that we expect. The type of optimisation that this dev is doing requires understanding the hardware, the coding of the engine itself. This stuff is only taught in classrooms as a fun example of what coding used to be

Yeah, I’d say a select few game companies care about this. I interviewed with Insomniac games last summer and it was the hardest interview of my life. They wanted a strong understanding of c++ and memory management. They also tested my knowledge of physics and linear algebra. Although Unreal is super awesome for developers trying to get something out there, there are still developers wanting to stretch the limits of their hardware.

@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 They definitely optimize the crap out of modern game engines but only in key areas. Like you said, the games themselves are so huge nowadays you can't optimize everything to the same extent. It's like complaining that people built a skyscraper out of something other than perfectly laid matchsticks because you saw someone build a house that way over the course of 10+ years.

@@Ehal256 the thing is that a lot of modern games run terribly even on decent computers, and often take up a lot more space than you'd probably expect. Although you can probably attribute that to studios wanting to make their game look good instead of properly optimizing code and assets. Although in more extreme cases even simpler games can have terrible optimization due to taking a lot of shortcuts.

@@Ehal256 yeah that’s true, I was being hyperbolic sorry lol I guess devs these days are going to focus their efforts on higher level optimisations like hiding objects / unloading parts of the game where they can get away with it. Or reducing level of detail for far away objects. Whereas what old school devs would do is literally write the assembly code themselves because they couldn’t trust the compiler to do a good enough job

I have no idea what you just typed, but I fully agree with.

Indeed

:D

same. I remember playing it around early 2000s along with the 3d frogger game.

@@poeskey haha boi that's a classic right there

Thank you. 👍

This is non-commercial, third-party work of fans of the game. This can never be sold, unless they get a license to re-distribute the game and do an official GBA release. I doubt that happens. But you can support the developers by donating. If you want to play it on an actual GBA, you’d have to produce your own cartrige. (Or buy a bootleg someone does from etsy or whereever, if those become available. But these won’t support the devs, as 100% of the revenue goes to the cartrige manufacturer, who very likely won’t give any revenue away)

My thoughts precisely!

If a game thats 100% 3D (Tomb Raider) can run on the GBA, then a game thats only 40% 3D (entire PS1 era RE series, except for "Gun Survivor" that is!) should be no problem at all.

I assumed this to be the case when I looked at early PS2 games compared to late PS2 games. If hardware production ever came to a stop in any console generation, software developers would continue finding tricks to push forward better game development. There is a channel called Coding Secrets that has some cool videos on how some Sega Genesis effects were achieved in games. If the 3DS can run Metal Gear Solid 3, it can probably be pushed much further.

@@frost8077 Wasn't the 3DS version of MGS3 an early 3DS release?

@@DragoonMS Two years after the 3DS release, so somewhat early.

now we have to wait for someone to port mgs5 to 3ds

@@frost8077 I'll check the channel you mentioned, thanks.

N64 would have no problem running the game.

Tomb Raider was planned for the N64, but ultimately playstation got all the Tomb Raider games.

The N64 ran resident evil 2. I'm sure this could be done.

@@VarietyGamerChannel Agreed. Maybe it could even get some nice extra visual effects. I remember that Jet Force Gemini had cast shadows from the protagonists.

would be nice to see. I guess, it is not as easy to port as some might think. Many big textures and also some geometry. Golden Eye like performance and Resident Evil like FMV. But it is a lot of work to recreate the new needed textures. Also the N64 has the limit in texture size per texture. So maybe that is the biggest problem. It could easily endup in a very blurry mess.

I just asked about pistols. Thank you for info.

So what button would be to shoot once pistols are drawn?

@@skycloud4802 A

Oh THATS how they got around the lower number of buttons!

@@GPOLICE It's an unfortunate fact that good games aren't necessarily marketable, and marketable games aren't necessarily good. Thankfully at least, there are some developers out there who desire to make good games, but it's certainly not the focus of the big studios.

@GPOLICE He would also have a good chance of being told to give Lara "realistic attire and proportions". Let him have his passion projects.

Ngl, if this had been a GBA launch title, it very well may have pushed development on the GBA even further than we got.

@@ABVW92 For reals. If nintendo would of had the 32MB carts early on, It would have brought some games close to n-gage or early ps1 quality. This is the proof

@@Oni64 with the right Devs ofcourse... As they'd still need to get around some pretty hefty hardware limitations, on the console side.

@@ABVW92 it would’ve pushed the boundaries of portable gaming and I’m sure even programming in some way before this present era of technology we live in

lmfao Uhh......yes? hahahahahaha

Xbox 360 port when? :) Actually, the thing I really want to see is Witcher 3 on GameCube. I know it'd have to be rebuilt from the ground up, but it would amazing to see either: A. An open-world game that's actually tailored to the GameCube, and looks/runs better than GUN or Spider-Man. B. How high the graphical fidelity could be if it used smaller environments (I mean, you could port Geralt's model from W2 straight into the Star Fox Adventures engine with little performance penalty- W3 might be pushing it, though).