He was going to do something until the Grim Reaper "stayed the execution" Wyatt might have deserved. Thank goodness Doc was somebody important to that bully card dealer, and Wyatt's friend.
*"Ohhh Johnny I apologize, I forgot you where there... You may go now"* The lines given to Val Kilmer in this movie are just superb. What a performance from the cast.
Kilmer is so eccentric himself that he may very well have changed the line from the more dull "you can go now" and I wouldn't be surprised. Perfect casting.
Damn, man. Russell's dominating authority, Kilmer's cool sophisticated confidence, Elliot's pure cowboy-ass swag, and Paxton's Best Supporting-type glue. Whoever pulled this cast together meant to make a masterpiece. And they did.
No doubt. Johny Tyler, the throwaway character here is played by a very respected actor. Billy Bob Thornton even then was on th rise and an Oscar contender. The acting in this movie was top notch and despite it's behind the scenes issues became a classic because of it's issues. I would love to see a m movie directed by Kurt Russel that he did fully on his on. Based obnoxious what he did here, he fully understands of movie making,
They voice is billy bob but his whole character it's like hes in disguise. I had a hard time remembering him. Then he went on to do the movie monsters ball with my crush Halle berry. Damn luck dude.
many times i find out after the fact that billy bob is in a movie. he never looks like him. always into character. several times a week i say its like im playing cards with my brothers kids
The way Johnny Tyler says "Thank You..." before walking away after he found out it was Wyatt Earp always makes me grin. Literally thanking him for not killing him when he had the chance or reason to.
Well, if you came up against Wyatt Earp, his two brothers, and their friend Holiday (all well-known gunslingers), you'd be thanking them for not shooting you too. Nothing cowardly about walking away from that.
I’m named after the man because my name is Wyatt as well and I’m so my name is famous and it’s good that I’m named after Wyatt Earp and so my name is famous so I’m named after Wyatt Earp and so it’s awesome that I’m named after him and So this is to good that I’m named after Mr Earp since I got Wyatt when I was a baby and so this is how I got my name from Wyatt Earp that stopped all the Cowboys in Tombstone Arizona and so im lucky to get that name Just leave that shot gun
Yes but in the rules of 'Gunslinging' and just having a fist fight. In the bar Tyler had no power to kill him because he was unarmed plus it was not a fair fight. With the shotgun there is no way he could have killed him without being hanged. Is that correct?
Billy Bob Thornton did a fantastic job. I didn't even recognize him until I saw the list of actors, With his extra weight and beard. Bad-ass cast on this flick.
The little chuckle Kurt throws seals the deal. He didn't feel the need to protest and try to convince the bartender. He knew what he was about to do would go a lot further to prove who he was.
Billy Bob is a much underrated actor in this film he basically sets up the audience to the type of person Wyatt earp is. As well as doc in similar fashion showing his guardian angel approach to the earps
RIP BILL PAXTON I'd forgotten how much of an A-Lister Bill Paxton truly was.... So many great roles, and a great legacy to leave behind.... Only left behind too early damn it.... Miss ya Bill!! (on the big screen I mean, clearly I do not know him personally).... :))
Well, if you came up against Wyatt Earp, his two brothers, and their friend Holiday (all well-known gunslingers), you'd be thanking them for not shooting you too. Nothing cowardly about walking away from that.
"Your friends might get me in a rush but not before I make your head into a canoe" is probably my favorite tombstone moment other then ike screaming he'll cut a pimp's heart out lol
During the infamous river scene, it didn't play out like that in real life. Doc,Wyatt,and a couple others came up on 15 or 20 Cowboys.Doc and the others fled and left Wyatt to fight them alone. He was missed point blank with a shotgun. He had bullet holes all in his jacket, hat, and pants, and he never got hit by a single bullet. Wyatt killed Curly Bill and even admitted that he damn near cut him in half. That was the actual end of the feud, as Wyatt said enough blood had been spilled.
Most amazing part of this scene is Kurt doing a no look chucking of the pistol a good distance across the room and getting it right to the bartenders hands.
Christ..you've got Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Bill Paxton, Sam Elliott and Billy Bob Thornton in the same frame. For fans of the genre, this is as good as it gets.
The casting of this movie could not have chosen anyone better. The actors were so convincing that you forget it's a movie. I never get tired of watching it.
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Roma 58 I just like how he introduced himself 0:21 and the bartender was lauphing sarcastically, when Wyatt started slapping that guy the bartender was like holy shit it's Wyatt Earp
Actually, the role of Snake Plisken was written for Clint, but he turned it down. Kurt was the next choice, and he played the part like Clint would have.
@@vesubioromo9425 I appreciate the recommendation; I just watched the trailer for that movie and will probably just buy it. IMO, there is no better movie genre than a good western.
The real Earp, according to historians, was very much Kurt Russell's character. He actually shot at very few people (at least prior to the "Vendetta Ride"), but was quite the imposing presence. He was taller than most men of his time. He didn't "ask" anybody to do anything; he told them. Noncompliance usually resulted in getting "buffaloed" over the head with his pistol. The 10" barrel Buntline revolver given to him as a thank you from Dodge City did exist, but he didn't actually carry one that long daily. Makes for a neat scene, though.
@@brandonseyfried1251 being taller than everyone is enough to unnerve most people. I know from experience. which is why it used so often to comedic effect in movies.
@@albundy6008 he's lucky he didn't get his cheeks taken but then again, being bitch-slapped three times in public and your guns taken from you, you might as well have gotten your cheeks taken.
@Kevin on top of that, being dismissed by one of the deadliest gunfighters ever to walk the earth, namely a certain Dr. John Henry Holliday, being stripped of your dignity and your guns and thanking said law enforcement officer and said gunfighter is about the only thing you can do.
Billy Bob Thorton is one of the most commonly overlooked talents in motion pictures. It is correct that he was told to ad-lib the scene and just follow Kirk Russel's lead. I give him a lot of credit for this kind of acting. A short but great supporting role.
@@PapaEli-pz8ff Yes it was most definitely a day player role. He was in two scenes and named by Doc Holiday character 'Johnny Tyler'. Doc Holiday: "Johnny Tyler! Where you goin' with that shotgun?"
I honestly didn't recognize him at all in that role. Wonderful acting by all involved. The only problem this has now is that it's too white by woke standards. Woke fimmakers will want to revise this by making Doc Holliday a black transsexual woman. Because "truth" is important.
Johny knows he was walking a razon thin line that could, probably should, have resulted in his death. All it cost hom was the game he was running and a shotgun. He knew enough to be thankful to still be breathing.
He realized in that moment that he was in front of the living legends Earps law man and Holiday a known deadly gunslinger. In a way is like going and try to go with a gun to the sheriffs department and then the sheriff lets you go just telling you to leave the gun and you say thank you 🙏🏼 😂😂😂
This is a movie you can watch endlessly. Kurt slapping the Oscar-winning madcap like he slapped the direction of the movie and helped all the world-class actors to bring their A game.
The best part of this is still Doc.... always loved that character.... he was so sick though it actually makes ME feel sick sometimes when watching this!! Sign of good acting.... RIP BILL PAXTON
When Wyatt closes the distance on Johnny in the bar it’s like a tiger moving in on its prey. Wyatt was already a legend by this time and reputation meant a hell of a lot back then. Holiday… as sick as he was… was an absolute force to be reckoned with. Johnny didn’t have a chance. A western doesn’t get any better than this one..
Everyone comments on the steely-eyed intensity during the first half of the interaction. Not doubt that is some impressive acting. But I am detecting some other subtle cues towards the end. is it just me or do his eyes communicate just a hint of pity when he says "are you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed?" And then disappointment when he answers his own question with "I didnt think so." Maybe I am imagining these, but I have always loved this subtlety.
@@markwest8960 ... Johnny handed that shotgun over like a pussy. He didn't realize that he had the upper hand............just one pull of the trigger was all it would have took to make this story completely different. And as for the Earps.....just standing there carrying on a conversation like normal when somebody has a sawed off shotgun pointed at you is just plain stupid!
"Ohh Jonny l appologise l forgot you were there, you may go now" has to be the best insult ever in any movie.. Val kilmer should have won an oscar for his part he was amazing in the throughout film..
Johnny Tyler's "thank you" really punctuates the man's understanding of just how much grace he was being afforded. if anything, that was his first act as a man.
Well, if you came up against Wyatt Earp, his two brothers, and their friend Holiday (all well-known gunslingers), you'd be thanking them for not shooting you too. Nothing cowardly about walking away from that.
@@robinstewart6510 indeed sir, i agree. hence my supposition that johnny, essentially bowing out with humility, acted like a man for the first time in his life.
Where this scene really shines is the look in Kurt Russell's eyes when he says "i can see it in your eyes" jumps from friendly to menacing. Best scene ever
And that wasn't even the worst thing that happened to him that day! He also lost his job, was humiliated publicly, was exposed as a coward and faced the very real possibility of being killed if he tried taking things further. Since he is not seen again in the movie I can only assume that he left town immediately after finding out who he was dealing with.
One of the greatest western movies ever made, with a spectacular cast. Kurt Russell. Val Kilmer. Bill Paxton. Sam Elliott. Michael Biehn. Powers Boothe. Charlton Heston. Stephen Lang. Dana Delaney. Billy Zane.
@@testfortester7131 For a rolling, laughing good time... definitely watch Bad Santa. For a heart wrenching, good supporting performance, watch A Simple Plan.
The BEST Western movie ever made !!! Wyat Earp was a good movie ,but long , Tombstone was perfect!! I have seen it at least 30 times and will see it 30 more if I have my way!
To know that this really happened and Wyatt actually threw him out by his ear for real is so awesome. 140 years later were still talking about him. Legend.
There is a scene in the movie Troy where Achilles is talking with Hector at that temple at the beginning of the movie. Achilles tells Hector that they will speak of the events that happened at Troy for 1000 years, Hector says that the dust from their bones will be gone after 1000 years, Achilles agrees with him, but states that their names shall remain. There is alot of truth to that fact. Think of the thousands, millions of people who lived long ago and thought that the world would forget their era or what happened in their time. Yet even in the 21st century we are still talking about events that occurred thousands of years ago and the people of those times, what I'm getting at is, nothing is ever truly forgotten. Whether it be a man or an era . It will be remembered someway somehow by history.
Not exactly like this, but Johnny Tyler and Wyatt Earp were in real competition over gambling in Tombstone called The Gamblers' War. Johnny Tyler was not a loner but led a group called the Slopers who tried to control gambling in Tombstone. Later, the Earps showed up in town but did various things before they got into gambling: Virgil was already a deputy US Marshall, and Wyatt was a deputy sheriff for Pima County for a short time before doing some prospecting. There were numerous gambling outfits in Tombstone, and the Oriental's gambling concession was owned by a group that included Bill Harris, a friend of the Earps. Doc Holliday may have been asked to come to Tombstone as muscle for Harris's group against the Slopers, and may have been joined by another enforcer, Luke Short. Wyatt was hired as a faro dealer by Harris's partner, Lou Rickabaugh, probably in January or early February 1881. Soon after, Johnny Tyler, ignoring warnings by Holliday and Short to stay away from the Oriental and its concession owners, came in and stuck a gun in Rickabaugh's face as the latter was dealing faro. Wyatt grabbed Tyler's ear and dragged him into the street, throwing him to the ground. Holliday remained inside, his pistol aimed at Tyler's entourage to discourage interference. A few days later, veteran gunman Charles Storm arrived in town, possibly (though by no means assuredly) summoned by Tyler to deal with Rickabaugh's enforcers. In a drunken brawl, Storm and Short exchanged fire, Short killing the newcomer with a shot through the heart. Whatever caused the fight, Tyler stopped trying to get into the Oriental. The Oriental's proprietor, Milton Joyce, took control of gambling only weeks later, on March 1, 1881, after another (apparently unrelated) shooting outside the place. A massive fire destroyed much of downtown Tombstone in June 1881, and Joyce was unable to retrieve more than $1200 from the Oriental before it and 65 other businesses when up in smoke. He relinquished the lease the next month and left town. Owners Vizina and Cook rebuilt it and gave the concession back to Rickabaugh, Harris, and their partners. Earp continued to sit as a faro dealer, earning a quarter of the house take. Tyler, though, was not entirely sidelined. In May 1881, the Slopers held one of the biggest poker tournaments Tombstone had yet seen. At some point, though, he moved on to Leadville, showing up in newspapers there in late 1882, running faro games. The whole saga of Tombstone is a vastly complex narrative. There were sides, but they weren't fixed. The Earps had business dealings with various Cowboys later on, and politics between Democrats and Republicans were a strong factor in ongoing activities. Wyatt's sense of justice was strong enough that he testified in Curly Bill Brocious's favor in his trial for the murder of Fred White (who was a younger man, not the codger in this movie). I would love to see a 5+ season, 12+ episodes/season streaming show that takes a more historical angle. It could be an entertaining and educational experience.
"Why Johnny Tyler madcap! Where you goin' with that shotgun?" The way Val says his lines is just amazing. The fact that he didn't win an Oscar is a let-down.
I think people call out Kilmer as this was his best role - he was just on another level compared to his other movies - which many were very good on their own. Having said that, I totally agree. This was a superior cast top to bottom. Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo was just perfect. He really brought the character to life.
I wouldn't be surprised if they remade this movie sometime in the next few years. I figure I will have to laugh at their version of Doc. Kilmer nailed it, never to be bested.
Part of the reason he had so many good lines was cause Kurt was secretly directing the movie and splitting his screen presence with other actors cause of it.
Rogue Dragon... you are correct.. Kurt Made this movie... and gave up some of the best lines for Doc's character... Wyatt still had some beauties though... "Go on... Thrown Down Boy... Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens..."
Such an underrated movie, yes it does get credit but not enough for the sheer amount of fantastic acting by all the cast really. Absolutely Val Kilmer steals the show but everyone is soo God damn good in this movie
No sometimes they just need good roles lots of gifted actors don't get to show their versatility if not given the opportunity. Even Marilyn Monroe could do more than just sing and look cute but they rarely let her.
"HELL! I FEEL AS IF I'M PLAYING CARDS WITH MY BROTER'S KIDS!" What a great line when ad libbing that part and in the character B.B. was playing! Brilliant lead in for Earp in that scene.
You have to look back 40 years before this movie to find a western this good. Every line of dialogue crafted and performed flawlessly. My fave in this scene- "Oh, Johnny, forgot you were here!"
