Dear Sir/Madam, you have put the poignancy of my thoughts and feelings on this matter in such a succinct yet casual way that I almost cried. Bless you friend.
You sure have to let go of many of your belief systems to get what Tony is communicating. If you can let a little of them go, you will get it. Thanks Tony for saying like it is.
But... but... but... wait a minute. There is no "you" to let go and nothing to "get. All there is is everything that is actually nothing or nothing appearing as everything. And that's just another story. And not understanding that is just another story. And understanding that is another story as well. Priceless. Thanks Paul! Thanks Tony!
the ultimate compassion destroys illusion. there is no separation, the separate point of reference can not grasp all that is, this requires it to become all that is ,to know, which is impossible.
@prhughes0 Sounds good to me. For me it all became clearer when someone said that the separate self and the no-self were totally equal in awareness, and then I was able to let go of the idea that the "me" was the problem. Now I don't care if I am being a someone or not, it's all free-- no energetic shift needed either. Great that you document these meetings.
Checked the closeup hir-es version (10_10 Aug 24 2011): your are right (perhaps): it is his middle finger scratching his nose...deliberate? Freudian? Sometimes a scratch is just a scratch...sometimes not...
When the words “…… whatever is happening had nothing whatsoever to do about ‘me’ ….! “ were heard, the dream was exposed; the apparent me was exposed and the seeking energy began to fall away.
@YouGazzaa It does sound like that. On the other hand, the frustrated desire (suffering) of spiritual seeking and aspiration hasn't shown up here for quite some time now.
@prhughes0 Agreed! Glad it has worked for you. When I used to see Tony it didn't work and I saw few for who it did. Most got trapped in the "Who's going to do that trap" for years. I always wondered how many if any got liberated but I am glad it liberated you.
Both, of course.... Many are radiant, many still seeking happiness. One concentrated on holding a camera steady and resting body parts, especially hand, arm & shoulders during silences. Entertainment between birth and death.
Could be (he has described Osho as both angel and devil in one), but throughout this section he appears to be making frequent scratching motions: ear, cheek, nose (as at 43:08). Looks there like his index finger is extended (not the rude one) as the thumb rubs his nose. Cool that you attend so closely...body language can be very revealing of what is (and especially what is not) being spoken. Thanks.
@YouGazzaa Lao Tzu "said it all" in his opening disclaimer: The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. "The" truth cannot be said. Interest in debating anything said (by Tony, anyway) has declined to a dull murmur. Just doesn't really matter. Tony is only a trap into which seekers may stumble.
There is nothing you can do, but apparently you can go to a T.P. meeting and the energy openness can be transmitted to the not-you in some mysterious way. Sounds like new age B.S.
That which is being sought is completely abstract, paradoxical, and wholly unknowable. Obviously no rational action can lead you to it. You can't move toward that which doesn't exist. What you're looking for is the all encompassing, infinitely powerful and infinitely deep explosion of nothing into everything in what could be referred to in terms of time as this moment. The time traveler, you, is the dream that all that exists manifests over time according to cause and effect. It's not true.
@prhughes0 If it has worked for you then I can't argue with that. Out of interest to me the whole "there is no self" is a dualistic teaching. In true non-duality nothing that appears has an independent nature (it can't be said to either exist or not exist) however in neo advaita the self is definitely said to not exist. In reality the self both exists and doesn't exist and like trees, thoughts and events etc. doesn't need to be made a special case of or dropped. thanks for the videos.
All of "our" comments and apparent understanding is a story. The story of me. The story is me. The story of understanding that this is a story is itself a story. And round and round it goes... apparently.
@YouGazzaa Can't even say that "it worked" or that "it liberated me"...only that all hope of becoming "liberated/enlightened" seems to have disappeared, and that This/Now is (usually) sufficient. Could be nothing more than a natural consequence of age. Desires for "more and better" (communication, health, sex, future financial security, mostly) often arise...is that liberated? Don't know, don't really care. Has been fun to listen, laugh and play cameraman. No one gets liberated.
Sitting there in silence. I wonder how many of them are comfortable and happy with them self just as they are right now OR, as "seekers" do they feel empty, incomplete, lacking, not enough, sad, scared, angry, UNHAPPY? I wonder why Tony can't simply tell them that they are OK just as they are and do not need to seek anything whatsoever? But they wouldn't believe him anyway after the programing their parents and others put on them from birth! They are actually seeking basic HAPPINESS.
It cannot be understood, this I understand. Neither can it be gainsaid- Tony Parsons could be an intact and seperate Tony Parsons, in the same fashion as you and I, having a laugh pulling our collective legs; we'll never know until there is no we and no know- until then, who knows? Her Majesty the Queen may know- she has after all been ordained by God? What I do know; say I through doubtless experiance, is this message is a direct assualt on me, leaving me devistated, and yet untouched- it would seem paradox is fractialy woven into the very fabric of nothing on all levels bar one...
@winddust100 So unless you are parroting this 'no-one ever gets liberated' phrase you (I mean the not you) is fully liberated and your life must be one big wow?. Most Tony fans I met believed this non-dual phrase whilst secretly hoping it would happen to them (to the not-them). From what I saw it rarely did. See the Guy Smith interview on Conscious TV for someone with the honesty to talk about the confusion of the neo advaita no-one intellectual dogma.
