What many people don't understand is that the Mafia was more than what they think they were. The Mafia was more than just an organization. It was a family. Something that a lot of simple minded people wouldn't even know about. When the mob was first formed in sicily it was created to protect the innocent inhabitants of the island from back then northern Italian aggressors. When they arrived to America they needed to find a way to make money during prohibition and the Depression and that's where crime came into the picture. Therefore associating the Mafia with criminal acts which leads to 1920s gangster stereotypes. The mob wasn't and aren't a bunch of guys in nice suits with chicago type writers talking like old Moe from the three stooges.
@@zachbocchino5501 they were criminals, descended from thugs who helped sicilian land owners brutalise peasants into submission. There is nothing glorious honourable about the mafia in any of its incarnations.
@@Evemeister12 You...clearly do not...know your history. And being Italian myself. The fact that you think the Mafia was originated from cold hearted criminals offends me.
@@zachbocchino5501 I have no problem offending someone who wishes to defend the mafia in any way. There is nothing honourable about their origins or their present establishment. They were created to protect the interests of greedy landowners in southern italy. And from there they became even more evil.
brilliant writing... Tony talking about Italians not asking the government for help, while Tony is showing a house to AJ that he's using to literally get money from the government
This is the point and I don't understand why no one else is seeing it. I love the hypocrisy in his speech. There's certainly a grain of truth in it, but at the end of the day he's doing the same thing he's pissed at other people for doing. My dad used to bring me around South Buffalo and talk about the Irish grandparents and what not who made it nice and the insinuation was that now that it's Black, it's a shit hole. While that wasn't wrong, what he didn't realize is that it's all cyclical. Has nothing to do with race. Just circumstance. This scene captured that perfectly.
@@californiacombativesclub202 The show exists to portray tony and his ideals as mostly hypocrisy with a small dash of humanity. Taking the show at face value is the wrong way to approach it. The people cheering on his antics are villains in their own right.
@@sixforks6543 No, we cheer Tony on b/c at least he makes his own money. He only takes out pieces of shit, like the homies on the block. Tony might be a jerk, but he's not laying around getting welfare
The irony of this scene is that a member of the mafia talks about hard working italians with pride, not realizing that it's people like him that soil their image.
@Lala Pala completely untrue. mobsters extort businesses, harassing owners/workers to pay up then shut up. they would slit your throat if it meant they would stay in business/out of jail. they were not heroes in their community. honest hard working Italians did not look up to them or appreciate them. Criminals are criminals, regardless of whatever code their gang pretends to live by. I don't understand how somebody could watch this show and think Tony was a stand up guy or had any idea about hard work and honesty. He murdered friends in cold blood and stole from everything and everyone. What made him complex was his desire to be a good father and raise children who could be better than him. Otherwise, he was a total sociopath.
@@jasonhelwig1902 No it did, for all Tony's talk of hertitage and culture and how great his people are, he doesn't actually make an effort to live like the ancestors he is so proud of. Just like how he is happy to brag to his son about a church he personally never built or attends.
Tony's implying it is obvious that it's a black neighbourhood because of the horrible state it is in. He's implying blacks are lazy people and responsible for the collapse of the town.
Gotta love how Tony shoots down AJ's every attempt to engage with the subject matter, ask questions or think for himself, then gets uptight when he loses interest.
Tony talks about hard work, but he makes a living stealing. Most people don’t understand the show is making fun of the mafia yeah just a bunch of crooks and psychos.
Tony believed that Italian Americans were better than everybody else. We really got to give a lot of credit to those who made this show including the actors and the actresses. So many messed up in the head characters and we couldn't take our eyes off this show.
at first tony stares at him coz he thinks aj is being a smart arse but then he realises how thick he really is and that aj was being serious and has a look of dissapointment
@@dkeelz when I saw the Church scene I thought It was being guard by Tony's henchmen because that could be a another reason why that Church was clean .
Tony in this scene is essentially complaining about his own generation of Italians allowing the area to turn into a dump. They were the ones who stopped going to church leading to the community church dying and community cohesion falling apart. Then those same Italians made money and left the area. Decades later the older Italians in the area are mostly dead or in nursing homes and the young Italians left a long time ago. Tony blames the blacks. But it’s really his generation of Italians who led to that area failing by leaving.
Not only that, but just like within the "black neighborhoods", once many Italians attained wealth, they sought to "up" their status by moving out of that Italian neighbourhood into "white" areas to better "assimilate" as "Americans" (in their apparent reasoning).
You must not have watched the show. He mentioned to Juliana Skiff that the Italians (now of means) moved up “Ginny Gultch”. They outgrew their humble means and moved to a more affluent neighborhood.
This scene is a perfect biome for the whole series. Tony, a man steeped in multiple disciplines of crime and evil, still feels that he's somehow different than other criminals and evil-doers for some reasons I'm not sure I understand. The show humanises the mobsters a lot but it never, ever lets you forget that at the end of the day they were a bunch of criminals motivated by nothing but cash and power.
but for sure he is different. He takes care of his son and family, doesnt bow people´s head with a gun to stole a cellphone, different than the "minories"
@@LIGIERJS111979 yeah he really is different, he doesn't take a gun to people's heads, he just kills people, extorts under threat of violence or death, a true stand up man. Obviously loves his family too, all the cheating on his wife with prostitutes, raising a kid that ends up depressed and a daughter who ends up relatively ok only because she moves away from his environment.
+Sasha Harney Maddon a mi. This chridrule just doesn't quit. Why do you have to use that derogatory term for? I'm not black, but I still don't feel as though that word was necessary.
@@rodismantle2809 social media really screws you up. I got a FB account two years ago, used it for a year before I realized it was making me anxious. Now all I use is messenger for friends and I feel much better. I don't post anything on it. It's ridiculous honestly if you reply to something and say the wrong thing It's taken out of proportion and your blocked. My friends always want me to go back and I NEVER will. Also how is this clip owning the liberals? Is it implying that everyone should stay in their own neighborhood
@@Sean12248 Yeah I don't get how this clip owns the liberals either. The uploader is one of those conservative s who seems to have liberals on the brain inserting them into any and everything.
The irony isn't lost but nonetheless Tony's right about Italian Americans giving a $hit about doing well and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps when arriving to the U.S.
If they ever made a Godfather Part 4 and it continues with Anthony Garcia restoring his character as Vincent Corleone the new Don of the Corleone family that would have been awesome to see but also it would have been interesting if James Gandolfini we're still alive he would have played an important role in that movie it would be interesting if they had James Gandolfini playing Vincent's bodyguard and his best friend as well as a Godfather to his children and to support this movie they would have Al Pacino restoring his role as Michael Corleone and talk to you about his life after he lost his daughter during the events of Godfather Part 3 pretty much talking about his life afterwards. And I'm thinking that in the 4th movie it should be directed its original director Francis Ford Coppola end it would be interesting if Ray Liotta and Robert De Niro we're in The Godfather Part 4 as new members to the Corleone family but another thing since they have taken out most of the Italian crime families in New York it would be interesting is Vincent Corleone crime family could take down a Russian crime family but set the year in the movie to sometime in the 80s
I love how no matter how nuanced and levelled this show is, there will always be dude bros trying to boil it down to “liberals get destroyed by facts and the real way” shame
You ever kill anyone or bury dead bodies all day in the desert? You ever steal with a straight face in the eye of danger? Mafia life is hard work. Always wanted to be in it when I was young but now I’m just set in my healthcare profession.
Didn't Tony's sister totally abuse the welfare system? The Soprano family wasn't exactly a shining example of the virtue of hard honest work leading to success and comfort
Отоја Јамагучи it takes effort and dedication to do what soprano does, but all he is doing is taking advantage of unfortunate ppl and stealing from other.
I think the key example of the show portraying Tony's warped morality is when Tony gets apoplectic minutes after the fact about Ralphie murdering his pregnant girlfriend for "disrespecting the Bing" and keeps him on, but later on kills Ralphie for offing a horse for insurance money.
"Every Sunday, Italians from the old neighborhood they drive miles to come here to pray; to keep this place alive." "Yeah, so, how come we never do?" Silence..... GREAT moment in the series, highlighting the stark contrast between religion that's merely cultural and that which is born of true faith.
@Caleb Conn the same catholic church that prosecuted galileo for bringing heliocentrism from the muslim world to the european one? the same one that burned giordano bruno at the stake for questioning their beliefs? the same one that forbid people from counting a horses teeth cause one of the scriptures said it had that many, and checking would be blasphemy? the same one covering up priests molesting children as we speak? " allowed society to pursue medicine, art, industry, science." yeah right.
Whoever wrote this title either completely missed the social commentary that underlies the plot of this show, or...honestly, I don’t even have an alternative. It’s clear that the entire point of this series went right over their head. How pathetic. People really do watch this show for face value. That’s so depressing.
the funniest part about this title is that in this episode, Tony is literally defrauding the federal government of millions of dollars while sitting on his ass in his fancy car/fancy house paid for by extorting and scamming people, a position he was only able to achieve solely due to nepotism from his father and uncle. The Sopranos was wasted on people who never even tried to understand it
U WinTV I think the person who titled the video took Tony’s statement at face value, as in the fact hes disregarding the rest of the show and the fact Tony is a mobster, what Tony said still applies to the real world, most italians who came over to America were poor as shit and never asked for hand out from the govt... they made something out of nothing legally. I think thats the point. But yes, if you watch the Sopranos and take into account Tony’s background then yes the title of the video sounds VERY dumb.
I like how in the series Tony is proud of his Italian-American heritage. But when he did go to Italy (Naples?) he was just like a lost American tourist. Not as Italian as he made out to be.
@Mr. Bison I reckon there’s 100,000s of Americans who play on their heritage. Pretending their Italian-American because one distant relative 4 generations up the family tree was an immigrant. When in reality they can’t speak a word of Italian, never been and can’t name more than 2 or 3 Italian cities. But they once ate a pizza from a restaurant in the USA, so that makes them Italian
@rishi patel the real mafia had its roots from Sicily. However in the show, he’s from New Jersey and the storyline is the “Italian Americans” are nothing like real Italians living in Italy.
they are not Italian, they are Italian-Americans, we in Italy know it, but most of you Americans continue to relate them to Italy, Italian-Americans are in relation to Italy, no more than an American is related to England
@@ilcontegianuarius7544 As an Italian, i would disagree, there is no uniform "Italian culture" A Lombard has very little in common with a Sicilian bar language and citizenship and even in terms of language it was forced upon both. So they are diffrent in that as well, so i view Italian "Americans" as just another unique extension of Italian culture in the same way i view a Lombard and Sicilian culture both unique however under the overarch of the Italic cultural sphere. Just cause they have trouble speaking the language does not automatically make them non Italian. Being Italian is more than just a citizenship, it is a bloodline as old as recorded history and those Italian "Americans" are part of the Italic cultural sphere whether you like it or not.
@@europatony1520 The point is italian americans not as much italian as they think they're. Some German who would learn italian language and live in Italy long enough would be more italian than those italian americans.
I think the poster fails to realize how completely full of shit Tony is being in this scene. In Tony's own family, the last truly "hard working guy" was his grandfather. His following generations have been leeching and preying upon these neighborhoods, one scam or another, until they've been reduced to what he's complaining about. He's contributed nothing to their betterment, unlike his grandfather, and his dad was no better. The fact that AJ doesn't get what Tony is talking about, at all, is actually doubly insightful (even though unintentionally). The fact that he and his generation completely doesn't give a shot is because Tony's really didn't either, and raised AJ's that way.
@@coolguy-je4pu tony and his gang run a bunch of businesses even though theyre also in extortion, the scene still makes tony out to be somewhat hypocritical, but as far as aj was concerned, his dad is into business and he drove down to buy houses. Because tony has initiative
z M dont tell that to the idiots on these comments, they just want to view videos that sh!t on "liberals" so they can try to be clever with their comments/jokes
What scary is that after seeing the gun, you could easily think he wasn't afraid but mad that a guy that low on the food chain was threatening someone like Tony.
Notice that when he approached the car, Tony opened the window all the way down, while most people would bring it down just a bit. The boss is still the boss, although its just Jersey.
ita about the political point. Today immigrants DO make their own livings. They build their own churches too, but it isn't the Left that is setting them on fire and painting swastikas on them. People like you who like to talk about "entitlement" really mean YOUR entitlement, or rather your loss of entitlement to persecute without repercussions.
Pokadot101 im willing to bet that the vast majority of these "hate crimes" are fakes, perpetrated by the same people they claim to be against. major cities all of a sudden having racist stuff written around? in a place that votes 95% democrat, and is 60% black.... yeah thats where the racist white people are. NO. these are almost all fakes.
laughable title to this video. if anything, chase means tony's words to be ironic. tony takes pride in the fact that, despite economic hardship and barriers to work, italians never lobbied for government handouts. if you have even the most minimal analytic ability, you can see how ironic tony's pride is given his subversion of lawful enterprise. yeah, you didn't ask for government handouts. instead you're poising society through violence and establishment of illicit markets.
Love to be so completely and totally braindead that I miss the entire point of the show, and instead aspire to become the type of person this show critiques and satirizes each and every episode
@@Cubs1719 yeah it was crazy to me seeing how many people have most of the show go right over their heads So many people think Tony is an amazing father
@@pablogats4627 you sure have strong opinions about other human beings for someone whose only contribution to the world is being a troll in youtube comments. even your profile pic is just riding another dude's meat. arent you embarrassed for being such a self-less pathetic excuse for a person?
I love how the uploader didn't see the irony, For all Tony's talk of hertitage and culture and how great his people are, he doesn't actually make an effort to live like the ancestors he is so proud of. Just like how he is happy to brag to his son about a church he personally never built or attends.
What he's trying to imply is to stand on your own feet and to not be a crybaby who costantly wants to be taken care of.AJ was like that,a "whiny little bitch" as Tony said.Maybe if he grew some balls he could face his depressive gens and achieve great things. It's not about the church neither about the heritage.It's about fighting for what you want in life,and working on your way to achieve it,despite the obstacles.Tony is no coincidence that he was a mob boss,Silvio went to the hospital due to extreme stress when he was about to become a boss.
Yeah, Tony Soprano is really such a huge and good role model. Feels like if this is the conclusion you got from watching the show you completely missed the entire point of the show.
@Balls McGee The character in the Sopranos are all lazy hypocrite who call other people lazy while spending their whole day at Bada Bing and Satriale's.
@@syedshah2642 they were murderous sociopaths but they weren’t lazy all the time. Some of the stuff they did was incredibly hard work. like staying up all night disposing of a body etc.
The irony of this scene and pretty much all of Sopranos flies over the heads of republicans/conservatives. They should have dubmed it down a bit so they get it😁
OP is the person that buys the crackhead neighborhood without a college degree. Everybody offended by op…they’re the ones maintaining the neighborhood.
I'm so confused. Tony is a rich boss of a costra nostra family. He eats all day and gives orders. The other guy sells drugs for a living at the street level. And who's working harder?
Yes, Tony is a hypocrite duh. That still doesn't invalidate the great points he made about the early Italian, and for that matter early Irish and other European immigrants that built their communities. There were NO government handouts back in the late 1800s when they arrived. They had to work their asses off unlike us today. And yes, that includes Tony being a criminal leech robbing working class people as well as that black neighborhood as well.
@@JL_Lux To be fair though, we can't really be called hypocrites for what others do, even if they are our family members. Tony is being a hypocrite though enough on his own.
@@EVERYTHING-dc2od The writers are portraying the HYPOCRISY of Tony Soprano, when he constantly tries to BERATE the fall of US society on criminals while he is a CRIMINAL himself and makes a living on ORGANIZED crime. He is a mafia boss, he kills, he orders murders, he steals, he tortures, he corrupts etc. Everything wrong with society he represents. The fact that some idiots dont see this or are to blinded by racism and hate to only see the negative aspect when POC are criminals just furthers the irony of societies problems. Just notice how many times "black people" are blaimed for mafia crime, like when Jackie Jr is murdered and they blaimed it on "black people" etc
@@elrickojames988 What he's trying to imply is to stand on your own feet and to not be a crybaby who costantly wants to be taken care of.AJ was like that,a "whiny little bitch" as Tony said.Maybe if he grew some balls he could face his depressive gens and achieve great things. It's about fighting for what you want in life,and working on your way to achieve it,despite the obstacles.That's the kind of attitude that makes enterepneurs and that's what AJ would never understand,trapped in his depression pitying himself.
@@jacob910able Tony has some qualities that aren't totally terrible...He's a pretty decent dad, which all in all i guess is a low bar. On the other hand he's totally exploiting everyone and everything..Really, if you want to "destroy libs" this is probably not the place to try and make that case.
CrazySicily it’s easy to tell Southern Europeans if not darker have more “Arab” type features. You can look at eyes at skull nose hair etc Slavic and germans tend to have harder more defined features
That's because they're dumb. Scientifically and provably. Peer reviewed science proves, the more right wing you are: the stupider you are. I have NEVER in my 45yrs, met a right-wing intellectual. Not even once. It goes against nature.
@@Tony-fq5bn yeah he was such afaggot he got his entire life destroyed by reading some basic ass philosophy and then got sad for like 2 seasons and tried to kill himself. Lol. Loser.
I assume your response is sarcastic but I’ll help point you in the right direction ace - Andrea Palladio, Pietro Belluschi, and Renzo Piano, to name a few.
The irony of redditor midwits, in their archetypal boundless self-righteousness, completely missing the sarcasm of the title is both hilarious and unsurprising. You have to go back.
It is hard work though. There’s a difference between hard/easy work versus immoral/moral. You could work grueling 18 hour shifts stealing from people and it would be hard work it just won’t be moral
@@Chungus581 If the only definition of “hard“ is intense manual labor then yes. But if you have even a tiny bit of broadening of the definition then it is incredibly hard. They constantly face the risk of jail, betrayal, death. It destroys their family life. It destroys them emotionally and psychologically. It’s a good chance of injury or death etc. etc. Yeah it’s a hard job just like some types of law or medicine are hard. No they aren’t hard in the manual labor sort of sense just hard mentally or in other ways
@@detectiveMM that's not hard work that's called consequences, they just sit around leeching off actual hard working business owners and throw their money at lawyers to deal with any legal problems
It is hard work it's stress and fearing for your life it's worse then a regular job love tony soprano! He's the biggest bowse besides Rick Ross & Jay z
Yeah, it’s pretty clear that the entire main messages of the show just completely go over some people’s heads. They just see the show as cool mob guys being tough and doing cool mob stuff.
Yeah lol it’s pretty in your face too and people still don’t realize. Like after the white guy whose care is stolen yells “niggers, who else?” It cuts straight to Tony. Poor David Chase tried his best to make it obvious lol
the point of the scene is he's a hypocrite. the whole show Tony is a hypocrite and is showing what the American Dream has become and how Tony bypasses it as a criminal.
great dialog and truth to it....blacks did the same (See black wallstreet) ...and everytime they built something up for themselves, the government came in and tore it down. It happened many times.
this clip is literally satire on people who think this way. Tony is a gigantic hypocrite, if that isn't made obvious in the show. The point wasn't to "destroy liberals", it was to make fun of people who think like Tony does.
thats because there WASNT welfare back then. now when guidos come over they get government grants out the ass like every other foreign piece of trash, and are given every advantage possible over americans including the government finding them a job or giving them everything they need to start a business with 0% interest loans.
Different historial as well.... one group came to america as slaves, the other came in a diferent time and in diferent conditions. The unspoken comparison is incomparable.
2 days ago I would argue with you people on here but not anymore. Life's to short to argue with people who in the end mean nothing to you or your life.
I grew up in East Orange, right next to Newark and much of it looked like this. It used to be one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country. Then, like many of the large cities, started to go down the toilet after WWII. My mother personally witnessed the riots in Newark. The city never recovered.
The mob bankrupted Jersey. That's why it's in disrepair. Read a fucking history book. Corruption and greed made Jersey a fucking shell of a state let alone city. Check out the mafia series by Thames. UK doc. Breaks it all down
@@a.2419 As I said I lived in Newark as a child and then East Orange for many years before leaving. And yes.....I have read up on the history of urban decay. Jersey wasn't the only place affected. Many of the rust belt cities had a similar fate, Detroit probably being the most tragic example. And yes I agree greed and corruption played a big part. Still does. But it was a combination of other factors: suburbanization, 'white flight', racial tensions, the real estate industry stoking those tensions (greed as you stated). The expansion of the national highway system. It was a social and economic perfect storm.
@@marissasue319 Because he's a lazy thug that bosses his goons around. Criminals aren't hard-working. If they were they wouldn't need to be criminals. I mean, are you kidding me right now?
@@ultimategamer2669 Well, lol, if u really think about it, a LOT of work goes into being a criminal, being a successful criminal, and being a successful criminal who does not get caught, lol! #JustSaying Plus, without crime, how many sectors of people would be without jobs, INCLUDING, the academic institutions that teach crime-related academia e.g. law, policing, prisoning (??), criminology, profiling, hostage negotiating etc etc etc
@@marissasue319 It may be hard work, but they are still being parasites. Best example is "no works" and "no shows". They get paid in full to do job other people are willing to do for actual work. They also harrass local small businesses for "payments" for their "protection". Yes, they often work hard and take risk, but they still take many short cuts and contribute nothing to society. Tony likes to identify himself with the hard working Italians because it makes him feel better about his own actions.
@@greggrozdanis5737 Hun, I'm not condoning or glorifying crime when I discuss all angles of the topic from a neutral perspective. And as much as I LOVE the show & its characters, I also feel tons of HATE, ANGER & RAGE at much of what u stated! Also, add high-class bullies, thugs & goons to that list! To be fair, that's the only life/lifestyle that Tony ever knew and the only one he inherited... 🤷🏼
This title exemplifies how poor conservatives are at interpreting media. Apparently, a mob boss is a good example of a "hard-working Italian." It's such an idiotic title that it could honestly pass as satire, lol.
Regardless of left wing right wing shit, Tony made a very good point. Everyone is falling into this victim mentality where they need to be helped. Italians have faced discrimination on a very high level for a very long time. But do they whine about it and blame others? No, not that I have seen at least. The mob is a fantastic example of that (though not the most moral way obviously). People need to man up and do something if they want change. Instead of trying to get it at the polls.
+Reese Broten They were slaves for 310 years too? I didn't know that, I thought they came through Ellis Island 300 years after the slaves worked 18 hour days seven days a week building the country
+Reese Broten Victim mentality? Let me ask you a question? I came from a poor familiy , do you think it's fair that Mitt Romney's children have a better advantage in life than me? One his sons had political connections since he was fetus? I think I'm just as entitled as them. I'm actually working my ass. In this country you need to have rich parents to reduce your anxiety.
10 per cent of the world's population can not hog 80 percent of the world wealth unless they cheat and steal, Europe has o no gold or silver all of the minerals that create the worlds economy come from AFRICA/ Africans starve with all of the wealth of the world under their feet because a cold resource less climate teaches you how to fight and lie and kill. If tings were fair Europe would be the poorest continent on earth. America's economy was founded on SLAVERY hundreds of years before immigrants came throgh Ellis Island
+Reese Broten HAHAHA, what a moronic comment. I'm sure you're the first person who'd denounce any sort of protest by black people to further their standing in American society.
"Did they cry? Did they go to the Government with their hands out? No!" I think he's referring more to the modern lefty Liberals who believe in socialism and the central state controlling everything and working all the problems out for everybody. Conservatives, traditional conservatives at least, believe in hard work of the individual, self improvement, self reliance, the nuclear family and the sense of community.
@Streetsdisciple001 ...Good for you... and your point is? To people of a particular time period (like the period Tony is talking about here) religion was the central pillar of their culture, and as such the local church was the centre piece of their community, where everyone in the community would go for help and guidance to their daily struggles and where the community as a whole would all meet once a week as a community, so Churches back then where very important to people. So as Tony says here; when the Italians where refused to join the church that was already there they went and built a bigger and more beautiful one for themselves, rather than whinge and cry about it and wait for the government to sort it out for them, like the pathetic weasels we have today would do.
@Streetsdisciple001 He's using it as an example of how to stand on your own two feet, to sort your own problems out, he's using it as more of a metaphor, not to go and blindly follow the church. Of course you don't need the church, his point had almost nothing to do with the church, that church was just symbolic of his wider point of how people should be self reliant and sort their own problems out, not go and cry to the government with their hands out I'm struggling to see how you've missed this and are fixating on the church itself and religion, it's just being used as an example and a metaphor of how people should behave in his opinion, which most of us agree with