Too Extreme, or Just Ahead of its Time? 

💯 correct..although Polaris (Canada) had a water craft long before kawasaki.

is vacuum cleaner not washing machine sey it right plz!!!

i swear nobody will shut up about this car

Also ironic, McLaren made their own fan car

@@tommccallan8802 What the fvck does that have to do with this conversation .

Coming across this car for the first time in GT4 was awesome

For fact, I'm using mazda 787b race car on world champion, that mclaren almost equal my speed but somehow the tyre wear are slower than mine, so the result mclaren get first place without pit in

Some of the songs in the background is from gt lol

@@automobilistic gma t50 is similar except its supposed to also increase top speed by areodynamics, lift car for less bumpy ride, improve effeincy, and downforce , with airleons , and i guess it also changes how much downforce or lift each rea corner gets, or maybe all 4 corners get some support. theres a testing mode that makes it all on display. but im suprised that is supposedly has more than ideal downforce etc, because its a good distance off the ground and so side panels isolating the ground area, for driveability on rough roads and less of a bumpy ride.

PS3 I remember this car

Not only that, but I bet other racers couldn't "draft" behind it either... not only because of the debris flying back, but because that void was probably reduced, and you'd be going against a headwind if you tried to tailgate, even if it was a small headwind.

If I can be a stupid pedant for a moment, the low pressure meant the higher pressure in front of the car pushed the car back. As my 7th grade science teacher always said, science doesn't suck, it blows.

@@gamemeister27 'Commence Operation Vaccusuck. Megamaid has gone from suck to blow".

If you allow cars with such big fans, one day someone could bring a propeller airplane without wings and say it is a racing car.

@@josepablolunasanchez1283 Radial engine cars do exist

Edit: Just to make sure people can tell if I'm talking nonsense, I am not an engineer. I don't do robotics either. My guess that's what happens when you are competing as an engineer in a sport where driver skill is also involved. If a car you made has no rival then it becomes less of a sport. Despite that somehow when the blame is on a racer, it seems to be more tolerated. At least building a sports car sounds like a fun competitive challenge regardless. There is always robotics if you don't want to deal with those problems.

@@benji-menji Sports needs stars. Charismatic figures to focus fan adoration, and become marketable.

@@vylbird8014 Well they make many sports as good as they are and easier to appreciate for a lot of people so I think it's alright in my opinion. There are still sports like micro mouse that are less about figures and drivers and more about their craft so its not like all sports require the cool guy or anything.

We got pikes peak for that :v

It was hated for being an asshole car who left everyone else with dirty air turbulence Doubly true today when aerodynamic cleanliness is so important in racing regulation That's why even though it was a marvel of engineering, Red Bull X1 is literally impossible to race

you and me both!

I got it, and wasn't really impressed. Compared to the times I could pull around Nurburgring with the Audi R8 LMP, the limitations of the 2J just didn't warrant any real use in a race. 3 speeds means less time you're in the powerband, because the gear ratios were extremely long for top speed, so acceleration and cornering are chores.

@@MidnightMechanic skill issue

@@MidnightMechanic absolutely a skill issue. The car is an animal, extremely capable. He's also comparing an audi R8 lmp to a car built about 30 years ago.

@@MidnightMechanic you probably play with all the driver aids on

Yeah, that was funny, 😅

the flying refrigerator

2J NO SHIT!

it was also called ' the race car...and the box it came in ' .

Wow! You have truly lived :)

You can see some of the footage is from the petroleum museum.

All versions of the Chaparral are NOT in the exhibit at the PBBM. The 2G version has NEVER been restored or recreated after the fatal crash in Las Vegas 1968, that crippled Jim Hall and ended his racing career as a driver. The 2G is a too painful memory for Jim that he never wanted it to be part of the legacy. I've got this from the mouth of the horse himself in a visit to Midland and Rattlesnacke Raceway some years ago...

The 2K Indy car was from 1979 and 1980. Winning the 500 in 1980.

The 1979-80 Indycar was designed (and built) by the English engineer John Barnard in the UK. It looked amazing in Pennzoil livery. The McLaren F1 team promptly poached him to their great benefit in the 1980s…

I was there too, and the carry over atmosphere of Woodstock was still prevelant with a lot of drugged out hippies. Amazing that no one got hurt. I did notice a lot of debris blowing out the rear of the 2J, so the other teams had a legitimate gripe.

Designed by David Cox, who soon afterwards designed an F1 CVT - using the prototype Romulus 3D CAD system in Cambridge…

there is a car out now called McMurtry Speirling that uses the sucktion to the ground prinsip to =) Cool looking electric car, look like the car from Carmageddon if you know that game =)

This is a sickening way to think... I know it's not you... it's just sickening to see something spectacular get banned because it's "Too Good"

same thing happened to colin chapman when he tried fan-assist in F1.

@@kberlinquette This might be true, but the other teams had a legit complaint unrelated to the speed advantage the 2J had: it was dangerous to the other cars on the track. This car was a giant vacuum cleaner picking up any and all debris on the track an blowing it into the face of any car behind it. It also created a destabilizing wake in its path unlike any thing the other racers needed to deal with. It contained unfair advantages far beyond its mere 'sucker' powers.

The preparation of Team McLaren was providing a boring spectacle for fans, but there was some semblance of competition. When Penske and Donohue teamed up with Porsche with the turbocharged 5.0L and 5.4L 917-30 cars, that series was done. Penske/Donohue had the McLaren preparation down pat, and the turbo engines had 200HP to 300HP on the competition.

​@Dale Davies Good summary. For years I watched the "Bruce and Denny show" at Watkins Glen and saw what I think was the Can Am debut of the 917. I had thought that Mclaren's M8 was unbeatable. The 917 and Mark Donahue soon conclusively proved me wrong.

@@russbellew6378I was a corner marshal at EIS, Edmonton International Speedway, in the latter part of the season when the 917's were introduced. I had a photo in the pits of the two Penske cars. One had the body on and the other had the body removed. Was a real nice shot showing the construction. Jody Scheckter practiced on Saturday with a 5.0L engine which was replaced Saturday evening to have a fresh engine for the race. Those flat 12's were a tight fit. The mechanics had the engine suspended 1/2 way and it was getting caught on something. They were jabbering in German but swore in English, which I found quite humorous. The engine they installed was a new 5.4L engine. When Jody came out for warmup and practice Sunday morning, he had a bit of difficulty comming out of Corner 1. The larger engine had enough extra torque that he had to get used to how much throttle he could apply and where. The displacement increase was about 8% so power was likely up that much. Starting with about 1,000HP, that was quite a bit of increase. I do not know if the BBC could have survived if turbo charged. Porsche had a leg up on development there with other race programs using turbocharged engines. Like the 911 RSR cars competing against John Greenwood's BBC Corvette. Great watching both series from 50 feet away from the marshal post.

I would've thought _"It blasts gravel at the other drivers."_ was a more reasonable objection.

@@andybrice2711Those Chaparal sucker cars settled about 2" when the snowmobile engine was started. Yes there were complaints of tossing sand at following drivers. I read once that Denny Hulme was passed on the outside by the Chaparal ad promptly pulled into the pits having a bit of a snit. Most of these CanAm drivers were championship winners including F1. Big egos go with that. IMHO banning the sucker cars, suspension mounted wings and moveable aerodynamic devices were good moves due to safety concerns.

Can Am and Trans Am. Virtually unrestricted cars and big money drew the best drivers from around the world. Some of the GREATEST racing EVER!

Yes indeed! I don't think there will ever be anything quite like it again...

They were essentially _Formula Libre_ cars, or "Free Formula". Run whatcha brung. Spawned from Group 7 racing. The only conditions being safety equipment. The Can-Am series ushered in the most cutting edge technologies in auto racing and were some of the first using turbocharging, wings, ground effects, and materials like titanium. They were even faster than Formula 1 cars at one time.

@@michaelmoore7975 There was even room for the manufacturers. God ... how I'd love to see it again. Maybe a spec "escape pod" for the drivers, height-length-width and weight limits (out of consideration for the electrics), minimum of 3 tires-max of 4. During a season run them on EVERY racing track known: up Pikes Peak and across Bonneville one at a time, down drag strips by twos and en masse for 2 hours on Mount Panorama. Participation at Le Mans and Daytona for points.

Tremendous for innovation, that's for sure.

When was this? I didn't know Laguna Seca was on base until I saw it driving around in the company 5-ton and it took a second drive-by to figure out it was Laguna Seca. (88-89)

@@LadyAnuB oh it's been awhile since those days. Late 60s thru 79 was when I lived in Marina. Far fewer gates and fences back then. And it was quiet enough to hear the can am cars all the way to the beach !

The fan engines were snowmobile engines. When fired up the whole car settled 2 inches from the vacuum under and air pressure above. Banned as it would vacuum any debris off the road surface and spit it out the back. The other factor in banning it was that the ground effects were so strong and consistant at all speeds. Underbody ground effects lose effect as the speed drops coming into a corner, where you need the downforce the most.

Most teams all used the Chev ZL1 engine that started as 427 CID or 7 liters. The race engines were poked and stroked to 494 CID and produced about 850HP. Good for 210MPH at EIS as reported by the Edmonton Police Service with a radar gun. I used to corner marshal at Corner 1 at the end of the drag strip, a 3/4 mile long straight.

@@daledavies2334 - Yet those monster ZL1 Chevy engines were reduced to the equivalent of mere go-kart engines when the all conquering Porsche 917-30 Can Am, twin turbo flat twelve arrived in Can Am. While the Chevy big block was good for 800-850 hp, the 5.3 liter Porsche engine produced an amazing 1,100 hp at 18 psi of boost. For brief periods however, the boost could be manually increased to a staggering 1,550 hp at a piston melting 32 psi of boost! It clearly was a matter of .

@@LoulovesspeedI was a corner marshall at EIS, Edmonton International Speedway the year the Porsche 917-30 was introduced. The early engines were 5.0l. By the time the series got to Edmonton, Team Penske had the 5.4l engines. On Saturday, Jody Schekter a former F1 champ practiced with a 5.0l engine. After practice and we were heading home for the day, Jody's mechanics were swaping engines for race day. The mechanics spoke in German but swore in english. Hilarious. Sunday we found out Jody now had the 5.4l engine in his car. Almost 10% displacement increase. The problem with CanAm was almost no regulations. IMHO if they limited to no boost or power adders and a 5.0l or 6.0l displacement limit the series may have continued for a number of years.

I haven't heard that one before 😂

@@automobilistic my mom came up with this, because it look kinda like my houses fridge 😂

really glad you enjoyed!

The Brabham was not banned, it was withdrawn by Bernie Ecclestone as a sop to the other teams because he wanted to become president of FOCA. Gordon Murray, the car's designer said the claims of debris being thrown out were cobblers.

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Jim Hall had a lot of help with the aerodynamics, from GM engineering, and their wind tunnel. They were Hall's biggest supporter.

@@ramblerdave1339 Chaparral (Jim. Hall) never once used a wind tunnel for designing any of his cars

Yes, Mark Donahue was killed testing an early carbon graphite bonded honeycomb chassis car ford engineered. Mark was an excellent test driver.

Not that obscure if you were a huge fan of group 7 during its run. Saw them race at Elkhart Lake.

Thanks!

Yeah, and if wishes were horses we'd all have a stable.

It had a lot of drawbacks along with the slow starts......

lmao

FYI the tires on any race car kick up just as much crap as that 2J ever did. Driver lied about it.

@@sparkeyjames I saw up close the cars and helmets BEFORE and AFTER their first track session. I have NEVER seen in all the decades since such extensive damage. I was an eyewitness . . . .and you . . . ?

Its on the list!

Buy one of the great innovators.

@@patrickgriffitt6551 Nooo !! When every manufacturer copies what you do you are the greatest. !!

It's a nice idea but incredibly dangerous when you push a normal car too hard around corners you can generally tell or even compensate for the slip but with a fan car it's like driving a slot car, really quick right up to the point it's not and i think we have all seen what happens when you push a slot car too fast

@@shaynegadsden Of course it's dangerous. But at least it makes people realize that making a race car isn't just making it fast at straight but also when cornering

@@shaynegadsden So where did you take your advanced driving course ??

The best thing about those cars were the transmission, road and track said every single Vector they tested broke down after 10 minutes. Looked awesome but they never sorted them out properly and couldn't handle any kind of harsh testing. Also all Vectors performance claims were never verified publicly. Pretty dodgy company apparently.

Awesome transmissions though they still use them in drag raceing today.

Don't mind me being pedantic, but actually Vector used the FWD TH425 transaxle from the Olds Toronado and Cadillac Eldorado. Mechanically its mostly the same but reversed to work in a FWD config and driven by a massive chain

Not a TH400 in the Chapparals. Modified and beefed to the knackers 2 spd Powerglide. Converted to a manual valve body. This allowed the left foot to operate a pedal to raise or lower the spoiler and later to flatten the wing going up the straights. Torque converter multiplication made up for the difference in the number of gears.

I haven't played GT7 yet, when I do the 2J will be in my garage as fast as possible!

@@automobilistic there’s a mission challenge for it, you can save millions by just doing that