Just to play devils advocate, it is an ageing market like you mentioned and they probably won't be doing anything else now - so while it seems like oversaturation, in ten years it won't. They will be quite rare. Fantastic video, love the straight up style of your delivery, keep it coming!
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Yeah, totally agree - too many Greenies weaken the mystique of the original and that mystique is solely attributable to the hands of Peter and Gary. This is a Disney-esque way of Gibson & Kirk maximising income from a brand of folklore until people lose interest and move on to something else. Just as an aside, Epiphone Les Pauls do have a carved maple cap similar in depth to a Gibson but they are plain so they then add a flame veneer which gives the figuring effect but in a cheaper way.
Peter deserves it. RIP Green God. But agree with you about a lot of things. At $1500, should have a Rosewood fretboard. And $1500 is too much for an Epiphone.
Thanks for the good video production 📹 including all the details! Very interesting the info on those Gibson & Epiphone Greenys’. Here another one as stated in its ad by the product’s brand Aria as a “Tribute Collection” model & that “The PE-350PG has flair towards the Greeny...”. After our adjustments on truss rod & string height were made & per its specs we have found it decent including good sounds, good looks, fun & ease of playability w/ all for a decent regular price of $489.99! Aria PE-350PG 🟢 Specs- Body: Okoume, Carved Top, Flamed maple lamination on top Neck: Okoume, Heel-Less Set Neck Fingerboard: Rosewood Frets: 22F Scale: 628mm (24-3/4″) Pickups: CPH-1C x 2 (Alnico-5) “Aria Classic Power” - Reverse fitted neck pickup Controls: 2 x Volume, 2 x Tone, 3-way PU selector SW Tailpiece: Aria Original SPT Bridge and QH tailpiece Hardware: Chrome Finish: AGLD (Aged Lemon Drop) Cheers 🍻💥🎸
Can’t you read? It’s a maple cap WITH a maple veneer? NOT just a veneer. And yes, mine has REAL mother of Pearl inlays. It also has a one piece neck & a 2 piece body. I’m sick of people saying that the Greeny is EXACTLY the same as the ‘59 Epi. It’s not! I own both. The neck is different. The number of pieces of wood is different. The ‘59 has plastic inlays, the Greeny is heavier, over 10 lbs. Altough it’s not a US bridge, the Greeny does have smaller studs that give it that authentic look. And a US bridge wouldn’t fit on an import spec guitar anyway. So yeah, I bought one, because I collect Epiphone signature models, so it’s a must have for my collection. I also bought the Adam Jones Custom & the Alex Lifeson Custom which were $1300 each. Is that too much? Raising the quality & price of Epiphone hasn’t “cheapened” the name, it has elevated it. Where a guitar is made or what’s on the headstock no longer is a reflection of quality. Watch a real channel like Anderton’s, where they actually know what they’re talking about, & you’ll see that again & again in their blindfold shootouts. Epiphone has come into their own as a company that also makes high end premium guitars & it’s about time. Something is worth only as much as people are willing to pay it, & the fact that the Greeny are sold out almost everywhere is an indication that the interest & demand is there to justify the price. I don’t regret pay $1500 for this amazing guitar for one second
I bought a "Greeny" from Gibson around 2020...for under $2,000. It's called the Les Paul Classic...the stock wiring has the out-of-phase push. I'm glad Gibson's marketing department hasn't caught on. For $1500...that should be an ebony fret board and a real maple top. I can stomach paying $1500 for MIC. The workmanship can equal anyone's....but the materials should match. Indian Laurel and a veneer top? Not even close. Glad they threw in the case.
It isn't just the phase switch. The pickups are much different, as well as other bits. There's nothing wrong with the classic. I've got one, too. The USA Greenie I got is an amazing playing guitar, after I put 2hrs of polishing into it and cleaned up all the tool marks. The Epi greeny I tried yesterday was shit. Played terribly, felt like sandpaper, sound was all over the place, and it looked like a kid made it. Agreed that 1500 is fine for MIC if the quality is there, but laurel and veneer belong on a $500 Epi LP, not their most expensive model.
Yes, perhaps too many Greenie's for sure, BUT, It's a masterstroke of marketing by Gibson since lately Kirk has been a fantastic ambassador of the original Greenie by playing it onstage and explaining the history of the guitar during recent interviews, making the Greenie guitar a "thing" among guitarists now. Larry Corsa was one of the first to start building Greenie's years ago since he has always loved the Peter Green Sound. But now there's a Greenie for any budget.
No, we didn't need another Greeny. It's a cash grab. Simple as that. Having said that, those who didn't want to spring £3K+ for the cheapest Gibson Greeny might go for it. I have an Epiphone Standard LP with Indian Laurel. The main issue for me is visual, it's far too light in appearance. If they weren't prepared to fit actual Rosewood, Grenadillo would have been a better compromise
How are people still getting it wrong that current Epiphones just have veneers? They have a actual Maple cap with a Flame Maple Veneer. Trogly has plenty of videos where he takes the pickups out of the current Epiphones and shows the cap. And if you look at one that has a lighter finish you should be able to see a stripe the top under the binding. Even the Les Paul Classic Worn has a full Maple cap.
I actually like the caps without the veneer too, the Epiphone veneer looks ok but remembering George Harrison's "Lucy" it was a transparent red with a curly or figured side on the cap & the other side was plain maple & Gibson stated that in the late 50's, early 60's, when they were trying to finish some Les Paul guitars, they used what they had left. Example of a beautiful plain top: A friend bought a new Les Paul Custom in 76. It was a sunburst but a plain top cap but that guitar was beautiful & played amazing because it was still in those "fretless wonder" days
Love your channel. Just discovered it. Got my hands on a Les Paul greeny, the $3200 version. Absolutely I will say that I’ve played the epic fantastic, and feels great as well . I will compare what Gibson is doing to General Motors. Do you have a Chevy suburban, GMC, Yukon, XL, and then you have the Cadillac Escalade, Excel. All these cars does are the same.
Yeah, okay. How many people are making a name on their guitar these days? Nothing wrong with buying a signature model. This one is ridiculously overpriced, though.
@@RByrne Nothing wrong with buying any guitar. If it works for you, get it. Nothing wrong with aspirations, either. Reach for the Brass Ring. It's at your fingertips.
Super wierd that it has a worn off Les Paul logo, faded sunburst, changed knobs and pickup, and absolutely no wear or relicing on the body or neck. Sooo it's a replica of a 10+ year old guitar, with aging, but also in mint condition. Got it.
1500 is too much for epi greeny i will just get another Epi Lazurus (better tops) and reverse polarity on the burstbuckers 2/3 and maybe put grovers on it and maybe get mis matched knobs i like the kalamazoo headstock the gibson/epi head stock is the extra price
Imo just buy a Vintage (BRAND) V100PGM and play the hell out of it at less than £500. Peter Green used different amplifiers to us so to replicate that sound is nigh on impossible unless you are totally loaded!
Agree. I had a (or have I should say) I LP Classic that I quite like. Anyway it had all this push pull nonsense including that phase thing in the middle which I never used. I ripped all that crap out of there and just put some normal buckle covered Burst Buckers. Who uses this phase thing?
Quick question open I can get a response could I get your opinion on a guitar and amp I like loud my only problem besides not knowing much about the different guitars is money is there a outfit for under or around $1,000 for beginners that would be happy with the sound hope my questions not ridiculous but the more I think about it probably is but I would really appreciate your opinion love the distort loud sound
It’s way way to much for a Epiphone. Prs se series are 1/3 the core price. Gibson is double the money so now that price point gets smaller, and quality goes down the drain. 3 piece body made out of “ NATO” mahogany ( kind of Asian wood) no rosewood…No thanks
We don't need any greenys of any kind, but if you were someone who wasn't into doing their own guitar mods (i'm not a pickup swapper or controls modder), and who wanted to try out-of-phase pickups, and didn't want to pay a full gibson price to try those pickups, and who hasn't been a fan of epiphone headstocks, and who isn't into distressed guitars (no ding on those who are), and who isn't into how authentic or inauthentic something is, this is a good fit. Is that audience big? No idea, but it is me. Yes i have gibsons and have owned more gibsons than i have now. I don't love the highly figured top or how bright yellow it is or the silly knob look of the greeny in general, But it would give me the chance to try out the out of phase sound and pass it along to someone else if it's not my thing or i get tired of it.
If they can sell them, Gibson will make them. Business is business. All out of my price range nowadays anyway with the exception of the Epiphone model. That Peter Green Les Paul has turned out to be a very good bit of business for Kirk Hammett. He's not as daft as he looks.
Played the Gibson model. 3K? Something like that. Mhhhh. Not comfortable to play. Didn't bother to plug it in. Not buying any Greeny model. I have 5 LPs. Love those.
What a lot of guitar players don't realize is that Epiphone has been making some really hard to beat models for awhile now that don't have any signature associated with it unless you include Les himself. I have a Traditional Pro III Plus that came with Gibson pickups, a '57 classic and a Super '57. Also has our of phase, coil splits and a 15db treble boost. I paid $500 for it used in absolute perfect condition a couple years ago. I don't think it had even been played much. It also has the long neck tenon, and while it does have a flame veneer it also has a 1/2 maple cap under that. Also have a Les Paul Gold Top Pro with p90s and a big ol fat neck. Every guitar player that picks it up plays it for at least half an hour, lol. Both are great instruments, and I have less than a grand in them. I'm definitely one of the guitar players that rolled his eyes internally when I heard there was an Epiphone Greeny even before I heard the asking price. From the looks of it your Gibson Les Paul is a Future, am I correct? I have one of those too, but the previous owner switched it back to having single ring single line Klusons. Don't know if they are real or not. I've been thinking about changing mine back to the Steinberger tuners and I'm curious; how does it do staying in tune? I read somewhere that it changes the string angle which is supposed to help, although it wouldn't take much to improve Les Paul tuning stability, lol.
It's all about the $, £, €, etc. As long as they sell, they'll keep producing different iterations. Typing of which, don't forget Gibson's CC# 1 non-aged Melvyn Franks and aged Gary Moore.
I just don’t understand who this guitar is for. Experience players will just buy the Gibson model, and for beginners it’s out of their price range. Why would someone collect a Chinese guitar?
Couldn't agree more. If you're a lover of that guitar and/or those who have played it, you're more than likely not going to spend that kind of money on a guitar made in China.
Who are you or anyone else to decide whether Gibson should make a guitar or not? Yea we need those. Not everybody wants to pay $6k for one. Not can everyone afford it. How do you not get this?
Not a fan of the roto-matics on a vintage style guitar, they are ugly, heavy and the holes for them are huge! I prefer Kluson style wit the split opening for easy installation and removal of strings.
I share your opinion 100%. I have a 2020 Epi Explorer with Indian laurel and it's way harder and snapier than my Gibson Explorer with rosewood. It's definitely a bummer that they don't use rosewood on a 1,5k guitar and there are tons of better options out there: The 59 spec Epi, the "inspired by Gibson" customs, also all the older customs. I couldn't care less about the headstock shape or the brand name. Unfortunately, this is really a "miss" by Epi/Gibson. // Ah and by the way, the Epi Explorer was ~ 500 bucks, just saying.
As he drones on about how bad the epiphone is, I have my epiphone greeny in my lap and LOVING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "What's a greeny neck?" the one I have here that is outrageously good. I could afford any guitar I want under $7k and I choose this epi Les Paul because it is a fantastic value...yep $1500. THANK YOU EPIPHONE!!!!!!!!!!
lol I didn’t say it was bad, I said it was overpriced for a Chinese-made guitar. But, please buy it so they can keep making imports at that price point forever.
I sort of don’t understand either the Gibson USA/Epi versions. I feel like some of the allure of greeny is the worn look. If you’re after the out of Phase, then Gibson has several models now that have the Out of Phase push pull; Classic / Trad Pro for not much more than Epi Greeny new. I have to say the Epi finish from the pics, just looks fake IMHO. I was actually looking at the Gibson USA greeny, but people had pointed out it’s basically a “faded” LP that was $1k cheaper. Really at the end of the day, Epi’s highest model is $1,500 and Gibsons lowest model is $1,500 (tribute discontinued and modern lite will be base US model). They felt this action right sized both line ups price points.
It's even worse here in Canada. $2049 CDN for the Greenie LP, an offshore made Epiphone! I know Epiphone makes a stateside Casino in the Gibson plant to Gibson and historic Casino standards that retails here in Canada for $4600, so I can rationalize that price, but over $2000 plus tax (13% in my province) for a Asian made guitar? GTFOH!! I know inflation the last ten years will account for prices creeping up, but the last Gibson I bought was in 2011, the 2011 Gibson 60s Tribute SG, which was with the small pickguard and P90s for a hair over $900 CDN ALL IN WITH TAXES. An ACTUAL made in the U.S.A. Gibson with a rosewood fingerboard and mahogany body/neck for under $1000 CDN. Now Gibson wants to sell and off shore Epiphone in Canada for over $2000 CDN? Like I said, GET THE F@#K OUT OF HERE!!
Sure its nice to have a greeny.but .but .but at 1500 uk pounds here.well thats a usa model really price 2k us dollars.come on epiphone you can buy an epiphone les paul for 250 pounds.😔😔😔
I think that the Epiphone Greeny is a great guitar for those that would like a more affordable version, but at $1500 for an Epiphone Les Paul Veneer top version that comes with an Indian Laurel freboard is too much. $1299 should have been the tops for this particular guitar, where at least you still feel like your sort of getting a deal. The veneer top on the new Greeny is horrible, which is way to light and does not really look anything like a Greeny.
Well, realistically you buy what you like. Theres not that much more to it. People comolain when they dont release stuff, people complain when they do release stuff. People complain when stuff is too expensive, people complain when stuffs too cheap. People complain when theres no options, people complain when theres too many options. JUST BUY WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY OR DONT BUY ANYTHING IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. So over all the constant complaints all the time....
The price is the main issue. $1499 for a guitar made in China? I picked up a Harmony Silhouette that was made in the same factory the real Greeny was made in for less than $1000. You can spend $2600 for a Heritage standard that was made in Kalamazoo as well. It's not hard to wire a guitar that way in the first place, but that's not what people are paying for. It's not for musicians, it's for collectors I guess?
Is it a coincidense that all these happened after Peter's passing? I guess he wouldn't have liked the use of his name to be marketed so much. I'm sure he hadn't any rights on the instrument itself but the word "Greeny" which is ofcourse his name and his legendary sound is what is advertised here
Familiarity breeds contempt. Remove case, lack of rose-wood fretboard and the hype, 700 USD maximum. Half the RRP..plus you aint got Fleetwood-mac drums and bass to prop you up.
I think that Gibson, probably falsely inspired by the guitar press, wildly overestimates the popularity of Peter Green and his now cork-sniffer status guitar. Even from older guys (like me) who should be right in the bull's eye for these guitars. Peter Green had a short career with a small, relatively to many other British guitarists, impact in the USA. There's a certain lemming quality to purchasing expensive, relic'ed guitars to me anyway, but whatever. I have a growing collection that proudly (for me) doesn't include any Fenders or Gibsons. They are all unique and serve a specific purpose, which usually begins with beauty.
I own the USA model, and just tried the Epi model last week. The USA sounds amazing. Its not just the out of phase setting, its the pickups and electronics all together. Its truly the best sounding Gibson I own or have owned. The Epi falls quite short of it. Sounds almost exactly like the 59 model they made, and the phase setting doesn't sound near what it should. For $2000cad, not worth it.
i love all the gibson review videos some people do. its like watching gibson bend em over &sink it deep in em...way over priced guitars..epiphone is heading to the party soon
You should get your facts right. The Epi Greeny has a thick maple top with a flame maple veneer on top of that. Some people just don’t get it. Do more research on your reviews. But glad I saw this Now I know to avoid your vids.
An Epiphone version of any Gibson artist model just cheapens the brand. Even B.B. King snubbed his nose at the Epiphone version of Lucille. Not everything needs to be affordable to everyone. For those who can’t afford the original Gibson version of anything, save up until you can, or improve your income situation.
I kind of agree. It’s not the same thing at all. I’m not knocking Epiphone; they are what they are and they serve a purpose. That purpose is to build affordable guitars for beginners. Those beginners who make it a living or lifelong hobby then buy a better guitar down the road. But pricing a guitar at $1500 serves nobody. Those who want the real deal will just buy it, and those who want a cheap guitar are not going to fork over the money. I predict that you will see a lot of these on Reverb for two grand and over the next six months the prices will slowly drop.
If you pay 1700$ for an epiphone made in china with a poly finish that says epiphone on the headstock- you should be slapped by your momma. Get a used Gibson SG Standard for 1200 and call it a day, and work on being more original
The whole narrative surrounding this wonderful instrument and its history has been commercialised and monetised to the point of a joke...fortunately Gary and Peter's incredible contribution to music and guitar transcend this instrument. To me its a travesty that Hammet owns it, I'm just not a fan. Gsry sold it after losing the unfair court case from the German band that sued him for Still Got the Blues. Gary sounded awesome on any decent Les Paul right to his final gigs available here on YT and therein lies the lesson.
The description at Sweetwater says maple top with a veneer. Everyone knows what a veneer is. You left out a very important fact in your review. Perhaps you're just ignorant.
He just doesn’t know. Perhaps if he watched a real review on the epi greeny where the actually take the pickups out he would see the carved maple top on it. But I got the feeling he not one to take corrective criticism well. Mine will arrive in a couple of days. And will post pics and vids here. That is if he doesn’t block me. If you don’t see them he blocked me.
@@philipfarias3448 I don’t block people unless they use profanity or are abusive against people. Anyway, I stand corrected. However the maple veneer with the “flames” is the thin part and I think people should know that.
