Just starting this, so I didn't know they weren't! How could they NOT be! ' NO! YOU STOP! STOP MAKING EVERYONE SO UNHAPPY ALL THE BLOODY TIME!' ( He actually said that to her in 'A trip to the Highlands.')
@@ERIN_198 I know she’s actually referred to as The Dowager Countess of Grantham. I like to call her Lady Violet to keep things a little more simple. I apologize if my shortened way offended you. But props for guessing correctly that I am indeed American! :)
Jonathan Parks - Nothing legal, thank god. They did have the high-risk pregnancy thing, but it was such a welcome change of pace to not have either of them hauled off in handcuffs at any point.
I concur, if Anthony WAS going to abruptly jilt Edith at the alter like that, then he should have had the decency to at least tell her in advance, and not leave her in the lurch!😤
Agnes Jane I'm sure he did what he did in interest of Edith's happiness, but seeing her so crushed and humiliated like that was certainly difficult to watch.
I always thought it would have been interesting to have a scene later on in which someone bumped into Sir Antony. Whether it was Edith, Robert, Violet, or whomever, it would have made for some good drama.
I adored Mary and Matthew's relationship from the very beginning. I doubt it was love at first sight for Mary but that was definitely the case for Matthew. After 8 long years of them being in love with each other they found each other again. And then when they thought they were finally the happiest they would ever be the most tragic thing happens, Matthew's accident 😭 I get that they had to kill him off because Dan Stevens wanted to leave but I really want to see what would've happened if he were still alive 😭💘 Don't get me wrong I love that Mary found happiness again with Henry as she deserves the world but she will always love Matthew the most 😭😭😭
She even says that no matter what she'll never stop loving Matthew when she goes visit his grave before she marries again. Mary and Matthew are the best and sweetest couple ever.
That so-called romance was too contrived in my book. I can't see the dowager, even in her younger years, getting so caught up, after marriage and children, that she lost her head and was moments away from running off with a married man - a foreigner at that. People do change, but that is just too much change for a woman of her time. She would have had to have been a wild child.
@@freddiebasset4298 Very unfair. They ALL originally signed 3-year contracts and after the second season, Dan Stevens was getting tons of offers to do a variety of things and he simply wanted to further his career and explore other projects. BUT -- as great as Downton Abbey was til the last season, the show was never quite the same with the most appealing character gone.
I disagree. They built up Mart and Matthew’s relationship so much more than they ever did with a Sybil and Tom. It felt like they rushed their relationship so much.
Sybil and Tom are my favorite. Also I think Baxter/Molesley and Mary/Charles Blake deserve honorable mentions. After Matthew's death I think Charles was the best man for Mary with his modern views and interesting personality.
OMG YES YES YES ! Charles Blake was the best suitor after Matthew, they were a little bit similar but Blake had even more personality (which is hard). I was so pissed when she got with Talbot Who was not interesting at all, and could be so pushy sometimes.
@@marydashwood3599 I really wanted Mary and Tom to end up together, since both had lost the love of their lives. Tom was the only one who could really tell Mary what she needed to hear and manage her.
@@laurellane1721 That's a choice I never thought of but I Really like their relationship as true siblings. For me, it's the brother and best friend she never had
Very good list. Perplexed about why you call Tom and Edna a couple. She pursued him and ultimately seduced him when he was drunk. That hardly makes for a romantic couple! She was a total gold digger and I was thrilled to see the back of her. Manipulative little witch indeed!
She made me SO MAD! Like she just seemed to desperate and manipulative. She kept being up the fact that Tom didn’t really belong in that family. Like girl if you truly loved someone you wouldn’t constantly make them feel bad about who they are
Carson and Mrs Hughes are the sweetest couple, I'm glad that they brought them together. 😍💘 Sybil and Branson, Anna and Bates, and Mary and Matthew are also top pairings, and I still cry buckets at that Christmas episode!😭
I really disliked Mary in the beginning, but Matthew helped bring out her softer side, and soon I grew to understand and even like her character. I started to like her less when Matthew was gone though. The fact that she was continually rude to Edith without provocation didn't help. She definitely deserved to be happy, but I just wish Mary and Edith's relationship could have grown a bit more.
Rose and Jack Ross should not be in the honorable mentions. His feelings might have been sincere, but hers were motivated in large part by the fact that her mother would be horrified by her daughter marrying a black man.
Ber P. - I think she genuinely cared about him. But she had a childish view of what their lives would be together and she hadn’t admitted to herself how much of his appeal was the guarantee that her mother would be furious.
@Ber P. That's my thinking, as well. Rose was the kind of girl who could get a man killed and then blithely move on to the next fella. Edit: This comment was in reply to your second reply to "Aunt Deen." That reply to alphabet soup is out of left field! I don't know WTH you are talking about there! There must be an episode or two that I missed somewhere! (Unless it's a movie spoiler!)
“Mr. and Mrs. Carson” were the best thing that happened to Downton Abbey (as a character in and of itself). They were like mother and father to the entire household. This quiet force, the foundation for the life of family and staff. The core of all the rest of them. Beautiful couple.
Tom and Sybil were always my favorite couple on the show. I’ve never gotten over her death. Imagine my heartbreak when I lost the couple and my favorite character in one episode.
I blame Edith as much as that farmer. She knew he was married from the outset. Her righteous indignation at Michael Greggson for flirting with her when they first met, knowing he was a married man, was misplaced and hypocritical. Edith was NOT a good person in those early seasons. I had missed seeing them and so missed this aspect of her character, but she was always going after men, usually men who did not want her, but especially the ones who had eyes for Mary. She even went after Matthew when he first arrived, since Mary acted as if she wasn't the least bit interested in him. She would have had that cousin who died on the Titanic if Mary had rejected him. Edith was a piece of work. Even the relationship with Michael Greggson was forbidden. And then she turned up unmarried and pregnant and all the stuff that was done to conceal the pregnancy, place the baby, take the baby away from the first adopting family, get the baby placed with the family on the estate, then take the baby away from that family. Not a nice person. That she wound up a marchioness after all that was like Bloody Mary being rewarded!
@@fancybrooks3156 Yes well, I agree to a certain extent. It was rotten of her to flirt with a married man, with the wife in the meantime bringing her food and being so kind! However I don't blame her for wanting Patrick or flirting with Matthew, as Mary wanted neither one. I don't even blame her for writing to the Turkish embassy, as Mary treated her abominably, always making fun of her looks and showing off her conquests, who the hell does that? She had no reason to feel insecure, so why rub it into Edith that she had " less advantages"? She was really hideous to her for years. As far as the Marigold story, although we can't relate to how difficult it was in those days to admit to having a child out of wedlock, so perhaps we can't judge her giving the child away; she stll behaved terribly, first ripping the baby from the first family ( imagine how they felt! ) and then from the second. I felt terribly sorry for that woman when she took her away, it was so sad. Edith should either have been honest from the beginning, telling her to try not to get attached too much ( at the very least the husband should have )or just left things as they were. That was a terribly painful scene . And when you think of it, all that fuss to then see your child for an hour at tea time! What a strange lot British aristocrats were!
@@carollund8251 Oh, I definitely blame her for writing to the Turkish Embassy! Blood should have been the deciding factor there. Mary would have been ruined for life if that got out and it almost did, thanks to Edith! That was lower than low. NOTHING Mary did should have cause Edith to stoop that low - at least not until Mary told Lord Pelham about Marigold. Even then, turnabout was fair play. Those two were grown women acting like children! But, we can agree to disagree on that. Unfortunately, we CAN relate to the difficulty in those days to having a child out of wedlock because it continued to be a stigma, especially for career/professional women well into the 1980's! I don't judge her giving the child away. I do have an issue with how the whole matter was set up with that second family in the first place. I don't see how the wife bought the story that a friend of her husband, young enough to bear children, but whom she had never met, had died and left her orphaned daughter to be raised by her husband! I would question whether or not my husband was the father of the child. Then they showed the woman giving more care and attention to the new child than to her own birth children. It was like she cared more for the orphan child than she did for her own children. Then Edith's attitude, in the end, once she made up her mind to reclaim her child once again, was totally uncaring of the fact that that woman had welcomed her child into her home and to her bosom (not literally) and loved her as if she was her very own! That was just too cold and unfeeling. Perhaps, if Edith and the husband had been honest with the man's wife from the beginning or even later on when the wife started showing signs of possessiveness and not wanting Edith around so much, then things may have turned out differently. i doubt it, however, because Edith was never going to let Marigold grow up without her. (I hope she doesn't come to regret how she ripped Marigold from that woman's arms and never looked back. She's the wife of a Marquess now and has so much more to lose than she did before. Just as the first Mrs. Bates could go to the newspapers with the story about Mary and Mr. Pamook (sp?), that farmer's wife can blast Edith's reputation all to ****! That would have lasting effects not only for Edith, but for Marigold and who knows how far down the line. Marigold's grandchildren would still be dealing with that scandal today!)
@@fancybrooks3156 Well, we' ll see how it develops in the movie. I live in Italy and have to wait another month until it comes out! My daughter and I are on pins and needles! Take care.
I carried on watching it but there was something always missing. When rewatching i always watch first 3 seasons purse before he dies and skip to last season since that's when i started to like it again. 💕
season 4 was the worst tbh and I started loving the show as much as when Matthew was there from the end of season 5 onwards! But nothing will compare to the first 3 seasons :')
Sarah Bunting was proud of her outspoken views and what she was fighting for, so in a way, it made her very snobbish even though she would never admit to that word. She was forward, pushy, and downright rude. It just seems like she never heard of such a thing as manners, or respecting other people’s boundaries.
@@maryannlockwood7806 Yaay! That's amazing 🤗 Hope you enjoy the show. I have to wait until Friday here in Sri Lanka. Tickets haven't been released yet either.
@@sophiachristine1155 Poor Mary didn’t click with the other two gentlemen either - who were they? Lord Somebody and Charles Blake. When the final season came they wanted Mary happily married off so they settled for anyone. I loved it that Edith found her Prince Charming and outranked them all! LOL
@@sophiachristine1155 Me too Sophia. If it was up to me, I would have ended the whole series at 3, with Matthew and Mary looking down happily at their baby boy. No car wreck. But of course we weren't ready to give up Downton Abby yet. I absolutely adored Matthew. The moment he first stepped on the scene. Sigh.
I completely agree with no.1 but at the same time I'd have loved Edith and Micheal to have a place by their side as well! they were so much in love and tried so hard to give it a place in the world. He actually changed Edith and set her life in a direction that got her where she landed ultimately. That couple is so realistic and still relatable. The fact that he says with pain that he loved Maud but now she can't even recognise her, with the hope alongside that Edith will be there to bring him some light on intellectual level is something different among all these couples. Mathew was the heart of the show, hands down. I would though, would have LOVED to see these two amazing (honest, loving, layered and brilliant) men side by side for longer in the show. That would have been a treat!
I loved Matthew and Mary together but I disagree that the show was no longer the same after his awful death. It's so much more than one character. I love her with Henry too. :)
Cora and Robert are absolutely the best couple, simply because they have been married for so long and their marriage still works. It doesn't always have to be romantic. The main thing is that you get along with each other in everyday life in the long run. And Shrimpy and Susan should have been on the worst couple list as an opposite to Cora and Robert, instead of Edna and Branson, who never were a couple. It wasn't more than fling with them
WHERE THE HELL IS CHARLES BLAKE AND MARY ? My top 5 : 1 - Mary and Matthew / Mary and Charles (can't choose) 2 - Rose and Atticus / Rose ans Jack 3 - Anna and Bates 4 - Sybil and Tom 5 - Edith and Gregson Honorable mentions : Violet and the Russian, Isobel ans Lord Merton, Carson and Hughes, Edith and Bertie, Molesley and Baxter WORST 1 - Vera and John Bates 2 - Mary and Carlisle/Gillingham/Talbot 3 - Branson and the maid/ the professor (ugh hated them : Who van compare to Sybil, come on ?!) 4 - Edith and Anthony Strallan 5 - Ethel and the coward
@@laurellane1721 couldn't stand her : she was so rude ! She was invited and she spread all the hate she had but didn't say no for food... I was so afraid Fellowes make them end game
Here’s the best relationships for 1. Matthew and Mary 2. Anna/ Mr Bates 3. Sybil and Tom 4. Mary and Charles 5. Isobel and Lord Merton 6. Robert and Cora 7. Rose and Atticus Worst 1. Mary and sir Richard 2. Edna/ Sarah Bunting and Tom 3. Sir Anthony and Edith 4. Sarah Bunting/ Tom 5. Tony Gillingham and Mary 6. Kemal Pamuk and Mary ( didn’t end well)
Best 1. Matthew and Mary Crawley- Agree 2. John and Anna Bates- Agree 3.Sybil Crawley and Tom Branson- Agree 4.Carson and Huges- Agree 5.Robert and Cora Crawley- Agree Worst 1. Johan and Vera Bates- Agree 2.Mary Crawley and Richard Carlise- Agree 3.Edith Crawley and Anthony Strallan- I can agree with this one. 4.Ethel Parks and Major Charles Bryant- A one night stand, they where not a couple 5. Tom Branson and Edna Braithwaite: Don`t know if i would call it a couple, they had short fling. But they where never a couple
My top five favorites are 1. Sybil and Tom Branson 2. Matthew and Mary Crawley 3. John and Anna Bates 4. Edythe and Bertie 5. Mr. Carson and Mrs. Hughes
John and Anna are cute but I felt like they basically wrote the same story for them twice, with them both going to jail and fighting to prove each others innocence. Also I always thought the mr green story line would have been more interesting with Thomas. However Thomas is my fave so I am also glad it didn’t happen.
Tom Branson and Edna Braithwaite were never a couple. A drunken one night stand entirely orchestrated by Edna to trap Tom did not make them a couple. Therefore, they don't belong on this list. Daisy and William were more of a couple than those two were. So were Tom and the teacher (I was glad to see her go).
I mean I love Mary and Matthew as individual characters, but I found their relationship rather boring. Marriage domesticated Mary and she lost her amazing sharpness, and I feel that their relationship was a bit too lovey-dovey (what with Matthew complimenting her every minute they're on screen). I much prefer Mary and Henry :) And eXcUsE mE but WHY ISN'T BAXLEY ON THIS LIST?!
Hated Mary and don't agree that any relationship she was in would remain good. When Matthew died, she completely forgot, and so did evryone else, that Tom suffered just as great a loss as Mary.
My favorite couple on this show (and my two favorite characters) is Tom and Sybil. I adore Matthew and Mary, I absolutely love Anne and Mr. Bates, Mr. Carson and Mrs. Hughes are so sweet and Robert and Cora are incredibly sweet and supportive as well. But none of the couples on the show really got me as much as Tom and Sybil. It definitely helps that they are my favorite characters on the show but that’s not all. Tom and Sybil have always treated each other as equals even when she was “the great lady” and he was just the chauffeur. They have always supported and respected each other despite their class differences and the reactions of their family and friends. They loved and cared for each other. They didn’t let other people get in the way of their relationship. Considering how young Sybil is in the beginning of the show she handles her relationship with Tom so maturely. Her death was the most heartbreaking moment on the show for me. I’ve seen that show twice (I’m on my third round right now) and her death always breaks me. There are so many heartbreaking moments on the show but her death is just the most heartbreaking and soul crushing to me. Sybil was such a kind, caring, supportive, truly good person a description that probably only Anna could also hold on the show. She was never trying to scheme to hurt her sisters or enemies. She handled things gracefully and patiently. She stood up for what she believed in but she never let it get out of hand. She and Tom had such a beautiful, loving and good marriage. Truly an equal marriage. None of the couples on the show are as good and amazing as Tom and Sybil in my opinion (though there are plenty of amazing couples to be sure) Those two will always be my favorite ❤️❤️
Anthony tried several times to get Edithvto back off. She kept after him. I don't think ahe was so crazy about him she just didn't want to be the spinster.
